Chugging Charities? Name and Shame!

Robbo

I've been approached by Hanley Centre guilt-sellers in the pub, twice. Isn't that a bit rum?

Blush_01

That seems to be a new trend - charities selling scratch cards in pubs, or looking for donations.

Look, Sleepy, I wouldn't have posted that "crap" as you so charmingly term it if I didn't believe in it. I don't have a guilty conscience. I have no need to feel guilty. I also don't need to manufacture a ridiculous quote in order to make myself feel superior to you. I'm simply telling you how I see things, or how thigs are as I know it.

In order to answer your questions - I don't necessarily believe it's ok for companies to profit from charity work. Hence the reason I was an inhouse fundraiser - employed directly by the charity, not by an agency on the charity's behalf. I do, however, know that if charities could make the same amount of money as they make from chugging elsewhere, without the overheads involved in employing chuggers or an agency, then they would - they don't spend that money just for the hell of it. And as was posted in the other topic, Fruitful went bankrupt just last year - that was a huge profit to make, wouldn't you think?

As for the financial details thing - I've done it. I didn't ask anyone to do something I hadn't done myself in the past. Your details are non-transactionary. The forms have to go through the banks and are subject to rigerous examination. Donors signatures are required, not just their bank details, because otherwise the charities can't receive the money the donors have signed up to donate. If the banks think that the forms may have been tampered with in the slightest manner then they'll reject the forms. If the writing isn't clear enough, if the signature seems to deviate even slightly from the usual, then the form can be rejected. If there's a mistake that isn't initialled by the donor, the form is a reject. If you gave me your details, all I could do was put money into your account, unless you had a stiupulation on your account allowing me to make withdrawals, which is what the forms do. They transfer the sum from the donor's bank account into the charity's. No one charity fundraiser has access to your account. Your details are everywhere - even on atm slips, which people just toss. If you could use them to mishandle someone's account, then people would queue up on a daily basis to grab receipts from ATMs across the country in order to access other people's accounts.

I know we'll never agree, but I've answered your questions to the best of my ability.

Duckjob

To be honest, the street chuggers such as the likes of the ones on Grafton Street don't bother me to much. The trick is to determine their 'mode' when approaching. If they are in 'nab' mode, you hang back a little and wait for them to pounce on some other sucker, then accelerate past them while they're busy.

The ones that reeeeeeeallly piss me off are the ones that set up camp outside the door of the bank so you have to pass them in going about your daily business.

nedoo

One off I'd say but my sister gave over her details in Belfast to one street charity and for the following three weeks was stalked and got non stop calls from a wirdo. All her mates and herself found it almost funny and desided not to pass any notice. She ended up getting attacked. They caught the bastard, identified from her university CCTV and guess who he was?!!!!!!!
Now not painting them all with that brush, in my opinion they are doing good work however there are too many of them. They can be a pain in the ass but it is easy to say no thank you. Their intentions are good but please all, careful with you personal information. If you feel obliged to give them your info, get theirs( copy of id card etc). If they cant provide it dont provide yours.

The General

Sleepy wrote:

Since so many of us are against Chugging, I think it's time we named and shamed the charities using this tactic of extortion against the general public. We can then use this thread as a guide of charities that no longer deserve our support.

For my part, I'll name Concern. I'd always considered them to be quite a good charity until they started this crap.

haha your ****ty thread is back firing

Sleepy

Blush_01 wrote:

That seems to be a new trend - charities selling scratch cards in pubs, or looking for donations.

Nothing new in that, the ISPCC has done pub collections for decades...

In order to answer your questions - I don't necessarily believe it's ok for companies to profit from charity work. Hence the reason I was an inhouse fundraiser - employed directly by the charity, not by an agency on the charity's behalf. I do, however, know that if charities could make the same amount of money as they make from chugging elsewhere, without the overheads involved in employing chuggers or an agency, then they would - they don't spend that money just for the hell of it. And as was posted in the other topic, Fruitful went bankrupt just last year - that was a huge profit to make, wouldn't you think?

A little education on business for you: when a dodgy company goes bankrupt the owners are rarely out of pocket. They've often paid themselves huge salaries in the months running up to their declaration of bankruptcy of the limited liability company and the only ones who lose out are their creditors.

As for the financial details thing - I've done it. I didn't ask anyone to do something I hadn't done myself in the past. Your details are non-transactionary. The forms have to go through the banks and are subject to rigerous examination. Donors signatures are required, not just their bank details, because otherwise the charities can't receive the money the donors have signed up to donate. If the banks think that the forms may have been tampered with in the slightest manner then they'll reject the forms. If the writing isn't clear enough, if the signature seems to deviate even slightly from the usual, then the form can be rejected. If there's a mistake that isn't initialled by the donor, the form is a reject. If you gave me your details, all I could do was put money into your account, unless you had a stiupulation on your account allowing me to make withdrawals, which is what the forms do. They transfer the sum from the donor's bank account into the charity's. No one charity fundraiser has access to your account. Your details are everywhere - even on atm slips, which people just toss. If you could use them to mishandle someone's account, then people would queue up on a daily basis to grab receipts from ATMs across the country in order to access other people's accounts.

You don't know much about banks do you? I could sign a direct debit form on your account and it wouldn't be questioned. Your signature is on file with the bank but in many cases that signature could be from when you were 12 or 13 and that's making the massive assumption that the signature is even checked.

Your full bank details are not in your ATM slip. Neither are your personal details etc. The information provided to a chugger would be quite enough to walk into the bank and apply for a motor-loan as that poor muggee.

Sleepy

The General wrote:

haha your ****ty thread is back firing

How do you make that out Martin?

The General

Sleepy wrote:

How do you make that out Martin?

sorry i only read the first 2 replys, frederick

mike65

The Sunday Tribune is doing a piece on Chugging tomorrow.

Mike.

ShreddedHumans

Excellent.