Tekken 5 sucks?

KdjaCL

Rented this out yesterday hoping for a decent fighting game and it sucks, no flow to any fighter simply mashing the buttons wins you fights, trying to do a move leads to broken gamepads and dead fighter.

Its like chess but slower , technical fighting me arse , playable fighting would have been a better idea.


kdjac

TerrorFirmer

I never liked any of the Tekken games, always found them crap really....don'y know what all the fuss is about!

Ri_Nollaig

ive never liked beat'em ups since they went 3D

Necronomicon

Haven't played 5 yet, lost a good bit of interest in them. For me though, 3 will always be a classic. I've always loved the mini-games and extras in Tekken games. I was addicted to the volley-ball.

grimloch

I lost interest after 3, although in my day the pwnage I could dish out, mainly in 2, was unrivalled.

I find the games a bit boring, they're allright for a few games when your friends are round but thats it.

Retr0gamer

Tekken is slow dull and boring and a button masher of the highest order. Tekken 5 is a big improvement but I find that there are far better fighting games out at the moment.

KdjaC you should try Street Fighter 3: 3rd strike in the SF anniversary collection which is on par with SF2 and Virtua Fighter 4 which is as equally godly.

KdjaCL

Retr0gamer wrote:

KdjaC you should try Street Fighter 3: 3rd strike in the SF anniversary collection which is on par with SF2 and Virtua Fighter 4 which is as equally godly.

Have that never mad about it, PS2 pad doesnt work well with Sf2.


kdjac

Retr0gamer

It grows on you. The PS2 pad sucks for it but lik-sang have the official Capcom SF anniversary edition pad which is fantastic for fighting games.

Deadwing

KdjaC wrote:

Rented this out yesterday hoping for a decent fighting game and it sucks, no flow to any fighter simply mashing the buttons wins you fights, trying to do a move leads to broken gamepads and dead fighter.

Its like chess but slower , technical fighting me arse , playable fighting would have been a better idea.


kdjac

mashing buttons wins games but if you actually take the time to learn some combos youll find it a whole lot better. Its a bit more accessible and a bit more fun than VF4 imo

grimloch

Deadwing wrote:

mashing buttons wins games but if you actually take the time to learn some combos youll find it a whole lot better. Its a bit more accessible and a bit more fun than VF4 imo

The game is only really good when both players are of a reasonable standard and will rise above frenzied button bashing. Otherwise it is teh suk.

Deadwing

grimloch wrote:

The game is only really good when both players are of a reasonable standard and will rise above frenzied button bashing. Otherwise it is teh suk.

not really, once youve learnt a good few moves you can have enjoyable fights against the computer, i think its one of the most enjoyable beat em ups ive played in years. The liks of VF4 are so hard to get into, it takes ages to get really good with one character, i played it for ages and was only good with lei fei and vanessa, cause it took to long to learn someones moveslit, tekken 5 on the otherhand, after a few weeks i can kick ass with jin, devil jin, lei wulong, bruce, etc

grimloch

What annoyed me with the series was that my supposed "skillz" could be defeated by wanton button bashing.

Zapp Brannigan

Ive always found Tekken games to be slow and awkward so I avoid them.

CivilServant

grimloch wrote:

What annoyed me with the series was that my supposed "skillz" could be defeated by wanton button bashing.

God damn, why do people bitch about a game that they completely suck at, hmmm?? Tekken has tonnes of moves and is a very skillful game at it's core, moreso than any other fighting title. Slow, awkward, button bashing, these are the ramblings of a noob.

KdjaCL

I cleared it on normal 1st go with Raven trying to do any of his special moves vs other player they can press any attack and pull you out of whatever your about to do. Thats not skill its the game punishing good players , even with the boxer who has a snazzy sidestep buggered vs anyone who can kick.


game isnt balanced and even if you leanr the moves dont matter drunken GF press 2 buttons and your 24 hit somersault attack kick is rendered useless as you fall on your ass. Soul Calibur its not.


kdjac

CivilServant

2 buttons = 24 hit move? Either this is extreme exaggeration or they've taken a turn to the dark side. I've played Tekken 1-4 and enjoyed them all. Soul Caliber, DoA et al are fun, but just don't match the technical side to Tekken. Sure there'll be player abusing easy moves, and people get frustrated to be beaten by such a move. But real players of Tekken will easily counter such a tactic.

All the ten hit combos had a pattern and once you learn that, you can counter or block, turn it to your advantage. So much so that people stop using the 10 hit's cos they're so predictable. To say Tekken is a button bashing extravanganza is only to take the game at face value and not delve deeper into the complexity and techinicality of the game. The combos are limitless and juggling is fun too

Deadwing

KdjaC wrote:

I cleared it on normal 1st go with Raven trying to do any of his special moves vs other player they can press any attack and pull you out of whatever your about to do. Thats not skill its the game punishing good players , even with the boxer who has a snazzy sidestep buggered vs anyone who can kick.


game isnt balanced and even if you leanr the moves dont matter drunken GF press 2 buttons and your 24 hit somersault attack kick is rendered useless as you fall on your ass. Soul Calibur its not.


kdjac

you can mash buttons just as much if not more in SC

KdjaCL

Deadwing wrote:

you can mash buttons just as much if not more in SC

Yes but when recieinv a whomping you can do more lie horizontally on your back whilst being pummeled.

Playing it again today and it really does suck ,shooting game during loading isnt bad tho.


kdjac

Retr0gamer

I've seen some excellent Tekken players get absolutely annihilated by a drunken noob mahing the buttons and others getting beaten by their gf who finds a few cheesy moves and exploits them. Some characters are completely useless while some are ridiculously strong. Tekken is as balanced as the tower of pisa.

grimloch

Retr0gamer wrote:

I've seen some excellent Tekken players get absolutely annihilated by a drunken noob mahing the buttons and others getting beaten by their gf who finds a few cheesy moves and exploits them. Some characters are completely useless while some are ridiculously strong. Tekken is as balanced as the tower of pisa.

Exactly, thats what I was talking about earlier.

One of my friends for example was very good at the game and when I first played it via a route of button bashing and random pressing I beat him.

Yes, what a truly balanced game.

columok

I have to disagree with the Tekken bashing. I really like Tekken 5 especially since Tekken 4 really let me down in terms of energy and fun.

I'm a big fan of VF4 and SC1 but I have to say that I think Tekken 5 is ahead by a nose.

If you're finding the story mode easy then give arcade mode a try. Myself and my girlfriend are up to Warlord rank with Asuka and its seriously tough.

OLDYELLAR

Tekken 5 is brilliant!! I rather Tekken tag like but 5 is deadly!

K.O.Kiki

The issue of balance is easy to answer: look to Asia.

In VF4, you have players playing as Akira, Lion, ... um, that's about it, really.
Whereas in Tekken, almost every character gets god playtime :cool: As for being beaten by button-bashers, it only happens while you're not a master.
After I mastered Jin in T3, no-one stood a chance! Of course, now I have to learn a new Jin. But then I can learn more characters too! :cool:

*edit*: just noticed I wrote "god playtime", not "good playtime". Then again, kind of fitting when you see Jap/Korean's skillz

flowerpotfrog

i bought a ps2 recently just to play tekken5. really is a brilliant game. i'm not good at it though, i don't know the juggles etc. etc. and can only just about use 3 characters but anyone that says it's easy, you can win by button bashing is either playing the computer on easy level or not playing it at all.

i think it's a really fun game and resonable accuarate.

Pugsley

KdjaC wrote:

I cleared it on normal 1st go with Raven trying to do any of his special moves vs other player they can press any attack and pull you out of whatever your about to do. Thats not skill its the game punishing good players , even with the boxer who has a snazzy sidestep buggered vs anyone who can kick.

Hate to point out the obvious, but all beat em ups are a piece of p*ss on normal, soul caliber and all street fighters included (well possably apart from Third Strike, Gill was just cheap in so many ways), normal is generally for pick up and play, Tekken5 is actually a decent challenge on Ultra Hard compared to most games.

While Tekken4 was pretty, well sh*t to be perfectly honest, Tekken5 is by far the best 3D beat em up I have played yet (note I have yet to get my mitts on VF4, after the shambles of VF3 I was put off), and if you complain about being destroyed by button mashing noobs, you rented it! no harm but I would hardly call you Tekkenmaster666!!11!1 after one day of playing. As for Steve being buggered by anyone who can kick, he just happened to have the best mid game there is, hes probably the single best fighter in it, even though I rarely play him, his speed and power are both downright silly, probably his biggest flaw is if he comes up against someone like Feng (my main) with a punch counter, but the same applies to Hworrang against the likes of King with a kick counter.

As for not being able to stand up, theres side rolls, back rolls, tech rolls, attacks from the ground, and quick stand. If you cant get up theres something badly wrong, if your just always holding back to roll away, then you get what you deserve to be quite honest

flowerpotfrog

steve is the best, tbh. unfairly good i think. crap to play with imo.

KdjaCL

Pugsley wrote:

As for not being able to stand up, theres side rolls, back rolls, tech rolls, attacks from the ground, and quick stand. If you cant get up theres something badly wrong, if your just always holding back to roll away, then you get what you deserve to be quite honest

Kinda hard to roll when Hwaronag is kicking you 11 times in mid air. And tbh after playing with him i reckon i could beat anyone with him only have to press 1 buttona nd move the pad in 3 directions.


Great game really hard to master.

kdjac

Sugarbear

Tekken 5 is by far the most enjoyable and advanced fighting game around at the moment. Sure, mashing a few buttons will fill a few nasty kicks, but there's more to bashing buttons in ANY game! There a lot of various different fighting styles to choose from in the game, some harder to grasp than others. A lot of the playable characters are for either beginner, intermediate or advanced players, but you can still beat the sh*t out of an opponent if you've mastered the moves right. There's more to Tekken than meets the eye. If you just practise a little, Tekken beats any beat em up, hands down.

PHB

Tekken is hard to master in a PvP situation, against the PC its always stupidly easy.
Kdjac, the move you are talking about can be blocked at 4 different occasions throughout the combo, and then easily countered.

Jazzy

Tbh i think Tekken is a much more measured game then the likes of DoA and SC2,
it is more like chess (for the pro's, look up www.shoryuken.com and get videos) but for ur bog standard gamer its just mash mash mash and ull end up doing well, all u need is a general feel for the game and u can win bouts against good players (not elite, good).

in DoA and SC2 though its more about the quick thinking on ur feet and changing tactics every couple of seconds, much much faster games (especially in the case of SC2). these 2 games tend to be alot more fun for the average gamer and for group games...
yeah sure in SC2 and DoA u can also have pros who can gaurd impact and do triple grab ultra-moves on you (like me ) but its faster and easier for new ppl to play, DoA although can turn into a counter-counter-grab-countergrab-grab-counter festival its still alot faster then tekken, especially with the simpler counter system... (think combo-breakers from killer instinct).

the best example is when i was recently at a competition for both SC2 and DoA... the same guy won both tourneys (de-crowning me in SC2!! :mad: ) and when talking to him after he said he doesnt have too much skill (b*ll*x imo! ) but just knows certain moves + techniques with different characters and that if we played with him regularly we could beat him cos we would learn all his stuff (namely in DoA being Jann Lee using kick combos and fast grabs with excellent counter timing & in soul calibur by using Ivy's more difficult moves and good use of gaurd impacts) he was still an excellent gamer and none of us there could beat him on the format we were playing (team battle 8v8 in both games) but if it were to be tekken 5 play im pretty confident a button basher would have laid him out and not let him do his stuff.

this means that games like SC2 and DoA are easier to pick up and get good at while a game like tekken takes ages to get really good at and be able to beat the button bash, hence the more measured game...

keep in mind aswell that in the SC2 tourney most ppl who hadnt really played much b4 used raphael and kept pressing ->B + BBBBBBBBBBBB BBBBBBBBBB to try win

amp

Played the arcade version and tbh, didn't feel much different from the other Tekkens. But then, I usually play as Hwoarang. Button mashing can only win against either the computer or a bad player. A good player will destroy a button masher any day of the week, including Sundays.

Deadwing

pfft. in most beat em ups all you have to do if you suck, is just go for the ankles. Good ol ankle kick, always works wonders.

BizzyC

I went in to the new gamestop in Bray on saturday, they had a little Tekken 5 tourny so I entered.

I suck at tekken, but I beat a group of kids aged 7-14, won a load of free crap!

Go Me!!!

Retr0gamer

Have to DOA is probably the worst of the popular beat'em ups. After you get over the button mashing stage you head into the blocking stage and after that the counter stage which is far too effective. After that there isn't much more variety and it turns into a 'counter-counter-grab-countergrab-grab-counter festival' as Jazzy mentioned. And to top it all this takes around 2 hours until you have mastered it. There is no point learning special moves since they can just be countered (and then the countered move can be countered and so on :rolleyes: )

Pugsley

Retr0gamer wrote:

Have to DOA is probably the worst of the popular beat'em ups. After you get over the button mashing stage you head into the blocking stage and after that the counter stage which is far too effective. After that there isn't much more variety and it turns into a 'counter-counter-grab-countergrab-grab-counter festival' as Jazzy mentioned. And to top it all this takes around 2 hours until you have mastered it. There is no point learning special moves since they can just be countered (and then the countered move can be countered and so on :rolleyes: )

Agreed, DoA is utter dribble, one move coutners all, bad, bad idea when counters do the silly damage they do.

Jazzy

Retr0gamer wrote:

Have to DOA is probably the worst of the popular beat'em ups. After you get over the button mashing stage you head into the blocking stage and after that the counter stage which is far too effective. After that there isn't much more variety and it turns into a 'counter-counter-grab-countergrab-grab-counter festival' as Jazzy mentioned. And to top it all this takes around 2 hours until you have mastered it. There is no point learning special moves since they can just be countered (and then the countered move can be countered and so on :rolleyes: )

exactly...
even though DoA sold real well in the world and has become a popular franchise (talks of a film in the works and such other nonsense) the fighting game big leagues dont play it because of how low a mastery level there is...
even on DoA ultimate where u can play on xbox live, most S rank players (S equals "elite" rank) they just tend to be either Gen Fu or Jann Lee and do the super-duper counter combos and such, chess it is not

Deadwing

Yeah but...doa has boobies...

Retr0gamer

Deadwing wrote:

Yeah but...doa has boobies...

But they are so much better in DOA: Extreme Sweaty Male Teenager Masturbation Fest. Especially with the unofficial patch.

Deadwing

Retr0gamer wrote:

But they are so much better in DOA: Extreme Sweaty Male Teenager Masturbation Fest. Especially with the unofficial patch.

*gasp* unofficial patch? Frenzied masturbation?!? im there!!

K.O.Kiki

DOA has always been just about physics -- and not just when you kick someone out a window & down 5 stories! Mmm... Tina...

Oh yeah. Itagaki hates DOA modders; he actually goes after them with lawsuits We just wanted to see some n*pples, honestly, it's not *gasp* GTA: San Andreas!

Of course, those who know better (worse?) know that the Japs don't need patches to "enjoy" the DOA girls better...

espmind101

Tekken 5 is probably the best fighting game i have ever played. i see alot of people posting things like, "kick their anckles 4 the win", the game has built in things to deal with spamming movies liek this. you can counter hit low hits, which sets the attacker off ballence open for a hit. As for button mashing, Its in every game, but i don't think it works that well in tekken. In my experience you block a few hits from a button masher then hit back on his recoil and smash him with a quick combo or a juggle. I know that inexperienced players will have alot of rounds of button mashing but when u start learning good blocking and how to chain combos and moves, the game becomes alot more interesting. If only tekken 5 had the Tag feature of tekken tag.

PiZaRR-0

BizzY C - I went in to the new gamestop in Bray on saturday, they had a little Tekken 5 tourny so I entered.

I suck at tekken, but I beat a group of kids aged 7-14, won a load of free crap!

Go Me!!!

Yeah me too! Won the one on liffey street. Felt bad after, they all sucked, except one guy from quirkies who uses steve.

Tekken 5 is the best in the series. Tekken 4 was a mess, pure crap. Many top Koreans stopped playin when T4 came out.

Now to the button bashing topic. I was playin a random asian bloke in quirkies last week and he was literally BASHING the **** out of the machine. The whole cabinet was shaking, which was very distracting! lol! So in that respect it does work....... but seriously it doesnt. If you get beaten by a button basher your an idiot. If u think you can beat me by doin that or anyone good come into quirkies and see the level of skill required to play it properly. There are about 5 or 6 decent players there, one of the guys that works there is very good. Check out video on http://www.tekken.net and look for players called Nin, knee, MDJ, and holeman to name a few.

My only gripe about T5 is steve. He is WAY to overpowered. I know form first hand experince got demoted today by a certain "GodfistedFox", although he is good. I HATE STEVE.

DoA is snap compared to Tekken 5.

K.O.Kiki

You'll be happy about the slight toning down he got in 5.1 then! Check TZ's forums for more.

Jin? Steve? Feng? Asuka?
So hard to choose 1 to master -- think I'll try them all :rolleyes:

evad_lhorg

tbh tekken isnt really a big technical fighter but it is great fun. I hated all the tekkens but I love this one. and its more fun with mates around because it is a very accessable game for all to play.

Pugsley

K.O.Kiki wrote:

Jin? Steve? Feng? Asuka?
So hard to choose 1 to master -- think I'll try them all :rolleyes:

Feng clearly, while he has trouble with side stepped, you cant help but love moves like back+1, back+1+2,SS+4, back+2,3,4,2. And jin is evil, so powerful, second only to Steve, and Steve is EVIL! Although I would recommend playing a bit of both of them, its easier to fight against a charecter you know your self, and since every man and his dog plays either Steve or Jin their both worth learning a little imo.

And I strongly recommend anyone who wants to get any good at Tekken to read the Zaibatsu forums(link in kiki's post), some very good advice and techniques in there that can really help your game

batman_oh

ive never been beaten by a button masher adn as a tekken arcade player who has acutally travelled to the uk to take part in tournies and meets with thebest players in europe i have played thousands of people at this stage i wud say from tekken 3 to tekken 5
tekken 4 sucked arse but i still got sent to london by sony ireland to take part in the world championships coz i cud beat every1 who played it even tho i hated it, most of them were masher or 10 string abusers, none of them even won a round
3 is the most balanced of all
and as for people sayin their slow, thats because of the ****ty pal versions, the game was never full speed here till tekken 5, which is slow like tekken 4 since they changed the dynamics of the game
go play the ntsc ps2 or arcade tekken tag and i guarantee u wont be able to keep up, its on of the fastest fightin games ever made
download a korea vid, theres some of tekken 5.1 here http://www.tekkenzaibatsu.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?forumid=11
also
tag is the best by far(not the ****ty pal version) had the greatest worldwide appeal, lasted 5 years at high level play and is accepted as the best
5 is great, steve is just a little too good, and nina

espmind101

that is a problem with tekken 5, nina and steve. However if you look at tekken 4 steve was just not even cool, way to fast and chained like non other... in 5 he is slower and has more openings, but you gotta play some1 that can quick trip steve or else he just inturupts most moves, since the fastest moves in the game have 8 frames of animation and steve has alot of them.

K.O.Kiki

When & where do you even enter these contests? I'll admit to not having gone to Dr Quirky's in months (saving, studying & just plain sucking saw to that), but I never saw any fliers or anything... not that I'm any good with a stick, due to not having one... yet

BTW, is it just me, or is T5 really hard to play with a pad? I find a 1,3,4.2 or similar combo impossible to come out >99% due to the weird, quick timings required... oh dear...

evad_lhorg

watch the move demos in the practice mode and you can see the timings played out. but its still hard to do it when its all hectic in the middle of a fight.

flowerpotfrog

that batman dude is alright, lol, i played him in quirkes, i got a round off him with low kicks SUCKER.

imo, universal characher hierarchy:

steve
nina
bryan
law
paul
feng

Deadwing

JIN FTW!
i cold get a 3 second KO in TTT with jin. Devil jins movelist is almost identicals, but they changed it so his corkscrew uppercut cant hit a prone enemy now, which means my coup de grace of the 3 second KO doesnt work with devil jin in T5