Jay Cutler video

Flex

This guy is awesome. Hope he wins the Olympia this year

http://www.filecabi.net/v.php?file=1119732747.wmv

tribulus

ah every year the judges/ifbb say they're going for symmetry/aesthetics over mass but every year ronnie coleman comes in looking bigger and bigger and that for some reason seems to outweigh all the other factors :rolleyes:

personally i much prefer the physique of guys like dexter jackson and gustavo baddell to jay cutler and ronnie coleman

that guy

Picked up a book in the airport last week called "muscle". Goes into the background of a lot of these guys, particularly Andreas Munzer, Arnie and Ronnie Coleman, but lots on Cutler and Dexter Jackson as well (tbh had never heard of ANY of these dudes til I'd read the book). Not a great read as a whole - a bit scattered, but bits of it are astounding. Very scary, and very good.

kazzer

Not a great read as a whole - a bit scattered, but bits of it are astounding. Very scary, and very good.

Please elaborate!

poobum

iv never been more scared in my life then by that video! it was disgusting i thought!!!!!!!

joc_06

poobum wrote:

iv never been more scared in my life then by that video! it was disgusting i thought!!!!!!!

i second that. absolutely disgusting. once you cross 220lbs or thereabouts and are under 5"10 then its just grotesque. his lats were hideous

that guy

"Please elaborate! "


Well, you'd be better to read it yourself, but the details on diet (40 egg whites a day anyone?) and the commitment to training and the use of any all sorts of chemicals, particularly the use of diuretics coming up to events. Pretty frickin awesome and scary. Also the first portion of the book is about a body builder Andreas Munzer who looks to be in the greatest shape of his (or anyone else's) life in the photo of him competing in a Mr Olympia contest. 12 days after the photo he was dead.

r.i.p.

tribulus

that guy wrote:

"Please elaborate! "


Well, you'd be better to read it yourself, but the details on diet (40 egg whites a day anyone?) and the commitment to training and the use of any all sorts of chemicals, particularly the use of diuretics coming up to events. Pretty frickin awesome and scary. Also the first portion of the book is about a body builder Andreas Munzer who looks to be in the greatest shape of his (or anyone else's) life in the photo of him competing in a Mr Olympia contest. 12 days after the photo he was dead.

r.i.p.

that might have something to do with it, some of these bbers go to such extremes they end up sacrificing their health to get that extra bit of water out or those couple of extra lbs of muscle.

they seem to lose track of why they first picked up a weight.

joc_06

the chemicals they take are much much safer than any alcohol or cigarette. I have figures here somewhere on the number of deaths related to steroids vs alcohol vs cigarettes. something like 100 vs 700,000 vs 300,000 in 20 yrs in the states.

Corksham

joc_06 wrote:

the chemicals they take are much much safer than any alcohol or cigarette. I have figures here somewhere on the number of deaths related to steroids vs alcohol vs cigarettes. something like 100 vs 700,000 vs 300,000 in 20 yrs in the states.

Doesnt make them safer - what percentage of people drink alochol and what percentage inject steroids hence the ratios, often they have little / no knowledge of what they are trying to do and dis-regard all side-effects. OK cigarettes contain benzene and a plethora of nasties and noone can argue that they are not lethal but steroids are also addcitive, pernicous and banned for sound medical and pharmalogical reasons.
Of course those who pump iron will always advocate their use but hey it's your liver, kidneys, reproductive organs, stomach etc.. and be my guest if you want to ruin your health.

logic1

Corksham wrote:

OK cigarettes contain benzene and a plethora of nasties and noone can argue that they are not lethal but steroids are also addcitive, pernicous and banned for sound medical and pharmalogical reasons.
Of course those who pump iron will always advocate their use but hey it's your liver, kidneys, reproductive organs, stomach etc.. and be my guest if you want to ruin your health.

LMAO for a start Steroids are not physically addictive and you cannot become physically dependent on them. There is no occurence of physical withdrawal symptoms upon discontinuation.

There have been various discussion on the psychological addictiveness of steroids but it's largely held as an individuals response akin to psychological addiction to any given substance.

Secondly steroids are not banned. 17AA/anabolic steroids are a controlled substance in many states. In many others they're an over the counter medicine. Steroids also appear in many other guises, ashtma inhalers for example and several other catabolic forms available OTC. Steroids are also prescribed regularly for HRT for men and treatment of muscle generative diseases such as cancer, AIDs and other muscular dystrophy diseases.

There is however a distinction between steroid use and steroid abuse. Steroids do effect the liver and kidneys toxicity levels as any medicine and many foods do. These side effects can be easily combatted for patients of steroid treatment. It can also effect HDL/LDL and blood pressure aswell as a plethora of side effects which I may add you can also find on the side of a packet of panadol.

Anabolic steroids in themselves are an extremly useful tool and can be safely used if close attention is paid to blood values, blood pressure. cholesterol levels and other factors as monitored by a medical professional. It's people of little knowledge such as yourself scaremongering the effects of steroids which has perpuated the negative impact they actually have.

And of course those who "pump iron" will NOT always advocate their use. It's a tiny percentage that would advocate recreational useage and I've found that small number usually to be most knowledgeable on the subject. So take some time and learn about it before spreading misinformation and idiocy.

.logic.

Easygainer

Corksham, congrats on your ignorance. Please, explain the pharmacology and the "sound" reasons for the banning of steroids? If they're so dangerous, is it why they are prescribed as a drug to patients? AIDS sufferers, cancer victims, impotent men etc would all be far worse off without them. As for safety, I've yet to see one confirmed steroid related death - any down tha line are from abuse and this would be solved if they were legal and under some sort of supervision.

Regardless, getting back to the thread, Jay is good but nowhere near Ronnie. Bodybuilding is an extreme sport and if you don't like/can't handle the physiques that's cool with me, as long as you don't try and claim that that means the wussie physiques are better. You gotta realise it's something to be proud of in bodybuilding when you get called a freak or make someone whince in disgust.

Tribulus, I gotta disagree with ya buddy... Gustavo Baddell put on 50lbs in 14 months between finishing 2nd last in the 02 Olympia and before the 04 Olympia where he came 3rd. His waist grew exponentially and he is a mass monster, like it or not. Dexter is good, the kind of physique you wouldn;t mind on the beach (though he is freakin' massive), but that doesn't make him no.1 - he's outmassed by Ronnie by 6 stone of raw muscle, maybe more, and Ronnie is just as shredded with the same great conditioning, proportions and symmetry (he just doesn't have the DJ 8 pack)...

Finally, as for the book "muscle" it's an entertaining read but that's it. The guy doesn;t have a CLUE about bodybuilding. For instance he thinks ephedra (a herb) is a steroid derivative. He doesn;t know anything about judging criteria or the bodybuilders in the competitions. He sensationalises a lot of things too. Despite these cringy moments it's a good read.

joc_06

i like that guy dexter's physique and he is very strong too relative to his weight. hes around 15st only. 210 lbs i think and from what i've heard reps about 500lbs on the bench.
Coleman is the biggest man on the planet though so he really has to win every time. His gut is distended and this argument has been raging for yrs but everyone has flaws even arnie and yates.
I spose its whatever you're in to but i and prolly 99% of ppl just dont like those huge huge bulging muscles. they're not natural and not functional so maybe its human nature to dislike them without taking away from the tremendous work the guys have done. I much prefer the sprinter look and physique. muscular, powerful, ripped and fast...

daveirl

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that guy

One good thing about the book is that, as the book progresses the writer himself, like a lot of people who know nothing about it (myself included), is at first kind of amazed and appalled, and then gradually starts to admire and respect the body builders more as he gains an insight into the whole lifestyle etc.

Funny as well how steroids aren't the panacea to make Adonis lookalikes of us all. For every guy who takes steroids and gains pounds and pounds of easy muscle, there's another guy who just gets liver damage and "b i t c h tits"

tribulus

Gustavo Baddell put on 50lbs in 14 months between finishing 2nd last in the 02 Olympia and before the 04 Olympia where he came 3rd. His waist grew exponentially and he is a mass

i stand corrected, i was flicking through a musclular development today and saw some shots of him...defo saw a big gut with a side angle view of him in a rear double biceps pose...why they think they can let it all hang out for that pose i don't know

Mickk

Bodybuilders have been saying this for years and still people still talk **** about steroids. I watched a report recently by HBO on primetime in the states and it finally went after the "experts" who have been advising the american goverment to ban steroids and actually make them a class II drug and it asked them "where are the bodies"? There has never been a long term study on steroid use, everything is just speculation and scare tactics. It was really really good to see an unbiased mainstream program checking the facts and coming to this conclusion.
I will try and upload it and post the link.

padraigcarroll

well what about the whole side effect thang as opposed to deaths?
I've seen a couple of lads that I know use juice, who have gotten quite bad acne from it, which is a side effect.
I dont know if they have gotten any other isses from juicing, but thats the only external visual one I could see.

If you look at it that way there are causes for concern when using steroids in bodybuilding, Im definitely not saying thats a reason for a ban, but it merits concern????

Easygainer

There are definitely sides padraig. You mentioned acne, there's also (and these are common/not only related to ridiculous abuse: water retention, high blood pressure,gynecomastia (bitch tits), etc

However, with a little knowledge, all of these sides are easily preventable - anti-estrogens take care of blood pressure, (as toes co-q10) water retention and gyno. Acne is normally remedied by showering more as it's down to sweating more, though there are acne treatments.

The main point is though, that these are minor sides. An adult should have a choice to take what he wants and to make the decision if he wants to gain 20lbs of muscle regardless of these side effects...When we drink alcohol we know we'll get the following side effects: intoxication, hangover, dehydration, low blood sugar and mild depression. Yet we decide feck it, it's a Friday night no work in morning, I'll do it... The only difference I see is that steroids are a constructive drug - they make people better athletes etc whereas recreational drugs like alcohol (how they're drunk in Ireland not those bull**** studies with 1 glass of wine a day) are detrimental to physical and mental performance.

For anyone who does law, Prowse JA said it best "We have a right to be wrong" - even if it doesn't make 100% sense to want to be 250lbs of raw muscle and even if you could be healthier you're an adult and it's up to you.

PS: mick k - haven't seen that hbo program - read Romano's review of it (he was in it) and a lot of the US forums. It's about time someone had the balls to go against the government line - the propaganda in many areas of US media is unbearable. Only problem is you need Oprah to show it so all the soccer moms who have political sway will voice their opinions in their unlimited free time.

Mickk

Ok I have found it but filecabi will only let me upload 10mb (its 47mb)... Anyone know anywhere I can upload it?

Easygainer

I think rapidshare.de soes up to 50mb free hosting...

Mickk

Ok its takin its sweet time but its on its way. Will post the link once its done.

Johnson

You want disgusting? Check out these morons. Oh, the wonders of synthol.

http://www.powerliftinguk.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=26&stc=1&d=1122409097

Mickk

Are you sure that them pics haven`t been photoshoped? Of course everyone has seen greg valentino but even he isn't that bad...

easygainer: after an hour of uploading it said someone else has already uploaded that file so I stuck the link up on a new thread

padraigcarroll

Easygainer:
I agree 100% re: an adult making his own decision. Scarmongering is rife in everything to do with bodybuilding/supplements/enhancement drugs etc etc
Impartial studies show the truth, but political decisions are never made based on sound evidence!!! certainly not in the US!
nice 1 for the info re: the side effects.

I'd love to see an independent impartial study on performance enhancing drugs done in Ireland, that could prove one way or another beyond all doubt, whether or not the negatives outweigh the positives. Anyone I've ever spoken to that has used steroids for performance has practically sworn by them and not suffered too badly.

interesting stuff.

GreeBo

I just watched the vid and Im confused
whenever he changes up to a heavier weight he seems to lose form and control and rely on momentum to "lift" the weight
Is he not better off using a lighter weight that he can lift with full control?