Bad Beat/ Internet is fixed subforum please

bohsman

What is meant by "we". If it in fact means "I", then to be honest, I don't care about your opinion.

A thread entitled "Aa V's A10" could quite easily have been one that posed a tactical problem or was enquiring for considered analysis of a hand. Karl most likely clicked on the thread expecting some such thing, it's not his fault that he had to read some drivellous whinging bad beat story.

I fully support Karl's idea. I think it's time we subdivided this forum for those that want to critically discuss poker and those who want to moan about it. I'm appealing to the moderators to at least consider this; the 1808 boards have a bad beat forum (it's mod'd by HJ!), and I think it would be a great idea here.

Who's with me?

As posted by Marq in the latest bad beat/ only on tribeca thread.

DapperGent

Pity it came to it but it's totally necessary.

Poker-> Theory and Tactics ?

Imposter

Please!

karlh

I think the main forum should be 'General' which can include bad beats, rants etc. rather than having a 'Bad Beat' Subforum.

It would be nice to have these 2 Subforums though:

'Theory & Tactics' - avoiding the word 'analysis' in the subforum title just in case someone wants to analyse why they lost to a 2 outer on the blah blah

'Tournaments' - for the advertisement *gasp*, arrangement and discussion of tourneys.

There seems to be more than enough content and traffic in both these areas to justify it.

I personally think the whole thing should be moved to Sport > Poker too...... I can but dream

Dave

I heartily endorse this product and/or service.

DapperGent

karlh wrote:

I think the main forum should be 'General' which can include bad beats, rants etc. rather than having a 'Bad Beat' Subforum.

Yeah. A sub-forum for the good stuff rather than a sub-forum for the inbred stuff.

henbane

I wholeheartedly endorse any method of trimming the chaff.

Waylander

Agreed

Hitman Actual

I concur with the above, although I'd rather see the insignificant stuff in the sub-forums rather than the main forum. And for the moment, can people use the subject line to indicate what their post is about, like Waylander suggested in the other thread. If you're going to spam the forum, at least let people know you're doing it.

henbane

lenny_leonard wrote:

I concur with the above, although I'd rather see the insignificant stuff in the sub-forums rather than the main forum.

But if you're subscribed to the main forum, the dross in the sub-fora shows up as new posts in the user cp. A subscription to a gibbon-free subforum would mean only posts from there would show up.

And for the moment, can people use the subject line to indicate what their post is about, like Waylander suggested in the other thread. If you're going to spam the forum, at least let people know you're doing it.

Agreed

NickyOD

Personally I don't think the forum is big enough to justify a subforum, but to deter the "My aces got cracked again, please hug me" morons I suggest changing their status from "Registered User" to something like "Turd Burglar", "No Talent Ass-Clown" or "Faeces Throwing Monkey"

That should be a sufficent deterrant for the "online poker is rigged" or "How did my Kings lose to JT?" idiots.

Ardent

Three things in life are certain: death, taxes and bad beats in poker. Would probably be a very quiet forum if you cut out the stories. Personally, they don't bother me so much that I feel like whining about it - I can choose to read them or not.

I don't know what you guys are looking for, this small poker forum hardly warrants a sub-forum on the topic of poker.

Waylander

So you whine about people whining instead? :rolleyes: That is constructive!

jimbling

NickyOD wrote:

Personally I don't think the forum is big enough to justify a subforum, but to deter the "My aces got cracked again, please hug me" morons I suggest changing their status from "Registered User" to something like "Turd Burglar", "No Talent Ass-Clown" or "Faeces Throwing Monkey"

That should be a sufficent deterrant for the "online poker is rigged" or "How did my Kings lose to JT?" idiots.

jeez guys... calm the hell down... don't you think your been a bit hard on these 'Faeces Throwing Monkeys'. Are you telling me that you never posted a bad beat.. even when you were starting out. It takes a while to get used to poker, and initially it may be the only input that you have in these forums.... there are some regular whingers.. but so be it.... they're not idiots or morons nicky.... just whingers (or newbies)

I agree that it may be an option to have a tick box or something representing bad beat stories... ie like one of the smilies.... would have to be visible in the title though.
Don't think the forum is big enough for a sub-forum

roryc

Think a sub-forum is the only way. Too many bad beat stories crowding the main page. Still I wouldn't be on here as much without them. Sure, you might learn something from the technical and tactical posts, but sometimes they can get really boring. Reading pages upon pages of odds and calculations can do your head in. I'm not back in fcuking maths class again!

You need to have the bad beats there to laugh at

bohsman

Personally I think that bad beat stories and interent fixed stories should be locked and the posters warned similar to spammers

People should learn from hands they lose from not immediately put it down as a bad beat and go crying about it, if you post a hand and then put your thinking behind the hand and ask is there any other way you could have played it maybe making a suggestion yourself thats fine. But blaming the online company or the dealer/deck if youre playing live is just moronic

Marq

roryc wrote:

Too many bad beat stories crowding the main page. Still I wouldn't be on here as much without them.

Yes you've posted quite a few haven't you.

In all seroiusness, I obviously think this is a good idea. I don't agree that the forum is too small to justify sub-fora, quite the opposite. These days, the forum is relatively large, with many new threads a day, and it's quite laborious a process sorting the wheat fro the chaff.

mewso

For starters you dont ask for forums here. I think a sub forum is a good idea but it would be more realistic to at least have the Mod rename threads that are of the nature you are all so alergic to. Changing them to "Bad Beat/Moan: " and the rest of the original thread title. Unfortunately I think Chris is not around as much and as such a second moderator would be my immediate request. I would be happy to do it of course

Ardent

bohsman wrote:

Personally I think that bad beat stories and interent fixed stories should be locked and the posters warned similar to spammers

Ha ah that's rich. In that case you should have been warned at least a couple of times yourself.

I have no problem with bad beat stories, I usually enjoy reading them. Don't understand the drama they seem to be causing. Maybe you'd be better served pushing for a change to the poker forum charter: "Thou shalt not post a bad beat story".

bohsman

Ardent wrote:

Ha ah that's rich. In that case you should have been warned at least a couple of times yourself.

I have no problem with bad beat stories, I usually enjoy reading them. Don't understand the drama they seem to be causing. Maybe you'd be better served pushing for a change to the poker forum charter: "Thou shalt not post a bad beat story".

I cant recall posting a bad beat story in a long time, sometimes I post hands but only if I feel I could have played it differently and want genuine advice
I dont come on saying heres proof the site is rigged etc

NickyOD

Ardent wrote:

Ha ah that's rich. In that case you should have been warned at least a couple of times yourself.

I have no problem with bad beat stories, I usually enjoy reading them. Don't understand the drama they seem to be causing. Maybe you'd be better served pushing for a change to the poker forum charter: "Thou shalt not post a bad beat story".

I don't mind a bad beat story as long as it is in some way obscure or interesting or there is some sort of tactical question built into it. But the majority of bad beat posts on this board are a complete waste of time. Every one I reading is 2 minutes of my life I will never get back.

Marq

Ardent, would you like a hug?

ocallagh

I agree.. A bad beats forum would help. 1808 forum seems to work well that way.

Also, A "Tournaments In Ireland" Sub forum is neeed.. Just to group the information in one place.The Search facility generally gets you the info you want, but it would be nice to group all tournys with their buy in/structure/regular attendance etc noted in a structured way. Did Tom say Antes Up were going to do something?

edit:

.... http://www.antesup.com/tournaments.php nice work tom & mike

Waylander

Brian I think there already is a second moderator (Amp)?

Ardent I do not see why you have such a problem with a request for another forum. How is this going to inconvenience you so badly that you feel the need to pick fights with other posters?

bohsman

Amp moderates 26 forums or so

Plenty of room to make Brian and Luke moderators

ionapaul

If people agreed to title such posts as "Bad Beat/Moan:..." as someone suggested earlier I think everyone would be happy. Those who hate reading the stories could be forewarned and as such forearmed! Can't fault the odd bad beat story, very cathartic to post them, better than breaking your keyboard or kicking the wall...

bohsman

Was thinking of setting up a premium bad beat hotline where a woman cuts in at all the right times saying and he called etc

Ardent

Waylander wrote:

Ardent I do not see why you have such a problem with a request for another forum. How is this going to inconvenience you so badly that you feel the need to pick fights with other posters?

I don't really care one way or another. What annoys me is always seeing comments like "ffs not another bad beat story" when someone new posts here. It smacks of ugly elitism.

Hitchhiker's Guide to...

We could just confine all 'bad beat' posts into the one sticky thread. There's nothing wrong with people wanting to say about their bad beats. In fairness, when you hang around poker tournaments it is all that most people want to talk about.

It can be interesting sometimes, and some people may get useful responses to their bad beat stories e.g. along the lines of "you could have avoided that being a bad beat, if you had played it in such-and-such a way".

Beginners do need to know that if you slowplay AA against 6 other players and let them see the flop, there is a chance that even 2-7o will make two-pair. That isn't a bad beat, it is bad play for letting all the other players into the game for free.

Don't think it should be put in a sub-forum. Just sticky the one thread and then warn that people who post pure 'bad beat' stories (without any redeeming characteristics) outside of that thread will be given a 24-hour / 1-week ban from the forum.

There's no need to be extreme and say that 'you must have XXXX level of poker knowledge to post here'. For example, there was a funny thread a while back by (I think) karlh where he got three straight flushes virtually in a row. That could fall into a 'good beat/spam' category, but it wasn't really, it was just an entertaining story. We're never going to be as serious as two-plus-two, but that's not necessarily a bad thing.

Waylander

I agree with you Ardent, this should not be done to newish posters. But there are some people who have been round these fora for a while, who post up bad beat after bad beat. I think that is what most people are getting annoyed about.

BigDragon

bohsman wrote:

Amp moderates 26 forums or so

Plenty of room to make Brian and Luke moderators

Were alllllllll dooooooooooooooommmmmmmmmeeeeeddddddddddddddddd!

Actually, good idea!

Henbane would get my vote too. Crack the whip a bit.

Marq

Musician for mod would definitely get my vote. Wasn't this forum his idea in the first place. His support and involvement in this forum since the very beginning is worthy of a moderator. Balanced voice, good player. No offence to the other mods, but their presence has been conspicuous by its absence for the last while.

BRIAN FOR MOD!

Imposter

Marq wrote:

Musician... good player....

And you were going so well up to that point!

Luke and Muso would get my votes too.

DapperGent

I really think that any sub-forum made should be purely to focus on theory/tactics. A bad beat forum is just somewhere to put stuff that shouldn't be posted anyway.

The general forums serves well for announcements, who's coming to the fitz, look at this funny hand, home games and it could be newbie friendly on the posting of bad beats etc.

With a theory subforum people would have a choice in the way they want to discuss their poker.

[edit]I think it would also serve as a kind of impetus for people to try to think a bit more clearly and logically about the game. Rather than, you know, staying stupid all their lives. [/edit]

jimbling

DapperGent wrote:

I really think that any sub-forum made should be purely to focus on theory/tactics. A bad beat forum is just somewhere to put stuff that shouldn't be posted anyway.

The general forums serves well for announcements, who's coming to the fitz, look at this funny hand, home games and it could be newbie friendly on the posting of bad beats etc.

With a theory subforum people would have a choice in the way they want to discuss their poker.

[edit]I think it would also serve as a kind of impetus for people to try to think a bit more clearly and logically about the game. Rather than, you know, staying stupid all their lives. [/edit]

you should probably make it 'Advanced theory and tactics'... you never know the questions some people would view as theory questions

mewso

Marq wrote:

Musician for mod would definitely get my vote. Wasn't this forum his idea in the first place. His support and involvement in this forum since the very beginning is worthy of a moderator. Balanced voice, good player. No offence to the other mods, but their presence has been conspicuous by its absence for the last while.

BRIAN FOR MOD!

Thanks I'll be in with that money later. As has been said Amp is a busy bee and it's too much to expect him to look after it. When the forum was setup as I was a Mod already it was decided to make Chris the Mod which was fine with me. He has been an excellent Mod, planning and organising the BSOP for one, but he needs a bit of help I think as we all have lives to live beyond the crazy pages of Boards and with the Unreal board being defunct I'm available to do the job. I would also be fine with the other names mentioned here but I think the final word should go to Tom in any case so we'll see what he says.
As to the sub-forum it would have to be of the serious nature as it's far easier to send people with serious topics to a sub-forum than a one-time poster with a bad beat story.

karlh

Nice one, Muso for mod!


yours,
ugly elitist.

Hitchhiker's Guide to...

Isn't the Ante's Up subforum for this more serious type of post anyway?

Marq

Roundtower2 wrote:

Isn't the Ante's Up subforum for this more serious type of post anyway?

No.

Einstein

Well i have to say,
(deep breath)

[rant]All the moaning some people are doing around this forum lately is by far the best way from stopping new members/players from posting here. I'm playing about 4-5 months, and a member here just as long, and sometimes almost afraid to post something about a particular hand or a particular beat because the same people type the same things "ffs", "idiot", "not another one of these threads".

If the layout of the forum is to change, great, it could probably be broken down to a couple of categories. But the problem is not its layout, its the people who have graduated to the level of I think I'm a god and my word is law making no needed smart ass comments to the newer members.
I like this board, and I've had the fun of meeting someof its members and value what they have to say. But if the b!tching and moaning doesn't stop, i couldn't be bothered reading it anymore. And I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one that thinks that.

right rant over...
i'm going to tin tins for a chinese...

yum.

Marq

ffs

DeVore

um I made Muso mod before I read most of this. which is fine cos now it looks like I'm being all responsive to peoples wants 'n' sh*t. so muso is now mod. Luke didnt say he wanted to be mod but if he does that works too and I'll do that. probably when I;m sober.

DeV.

henbane

All hail muso's reign of terror!

mewso

Thanks Dev. So whats it to be? A Bad Beat sticky or renaming of posts? Bearing in mind that the renaming may not occur in time to save Karl's life.

Davey Devil

Your the boss you decide.

P.s Good Luck.

henbane

musician wrote:

Thanks Dev. So whats it to be? A Bad Beat sticky or renaming of posts? Bearing in mind that the renaming may not occur in time to save Karl's life.

How about the posters should include bad beat in the thread title or face the wrath of muso?

accensi0n

Make it a bad beat sticky. If you make the rule to be that you must write 'bad beat story' in the thread title, only the current readers of the forum will know to do it; there will still be new readers coming along and posting their bad beats without including 'bad beat story' in the thread title.

Dub13

Part of the problem is that some of these post are not even 'bad beat storys' they are outdraws....and the last time I checked outdraws were part of poker.

corblimey

Yea, you're still going to have a problem with first timers and stubborn tools not adding to the sticky or putting 'bad beat' in their titles. I personally think a sub forum called 'poker stories' (not even mentioning bad beats, etc) would work a little better. Just a sub that states "you got a hand? post it here" kind of thing.

Then again, I'm not a mod, and no matter what my mother thinks, that's not likely to change in the future.

mewso

I dont see how anyone would expect posters to go to a sub forum if they dont expect them to title a post a certain way or post to a sticky. I think for now I'll just keep an eye on posts and mark them accordingly when I spot them. Unfortunately this means we must sacrifice Karl for now.

henbane

musician wrote:

I dont see how anyone would expect posters to go to a sub forum if they dont expect them to title a post a certain way or post to a sticky. I think for now I'll just keep an eye on posts and mark them accordingly when I spot them. Unfortunately this means we must sacrifice Karl for now.

Put it in the charter and wave your big ban stick accordingly! All hail MUSO!

i voted for kodos