Starting salaries

pe-pa-po

hi all,
just wondering does anyone know around how much is the starting salary for an electronic engineer? i wont be graduating for 2 years but just curious.

daveirl

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Boston

intel offer 31 grand a year to starting engineers

eoinf

LiouVille wrote:

intel offer 31 grand a year to starting engineers

i wish more like €25,000 + shift bonus ,which never turns out to be as much as they suggest or anyone else suggests it will be.

Boston

Well I'm only going on what the recruitment agent said. She did said if had recently been upped from 28 grand. I've nothing else to back this other other then her, but i fail to see why she would lie, one to shoot herself in the foot a year from now.

TheBigLebowski

eoinf wrote:

i wish more like €25,000 + shift bonus ,which never turns out to be as much as they suggest or anyone else suggests it will be.

You're wrong there mate. I think you may be thinking of Technicians. They start on about 25 plus shift.
Engineers don't even work shift in Intel...

Boston

Yea they told us it would be 9 to five type thing, or at least gave every impression it was.

Mutant_Fruit

LiouVille wrote:

Well I'm only going on what the recruitment agent said. She did said if had recently been upped from 28 grand. I've nothing else to back this other other then her, but i fail to see why she would lie, one to shoot herself in the foot a year from now.

They say anything to get CV's into their system. I wouldn't really believe anything they say unless its signed and printed on a piece of paper along with "Application Successful" at the top.

joc_06

intel pay 28.5k to engineers at the mo but only do design in shannon so if you wanna be a true elec engineer then thats where you should be going.
average is between 25k to 30k.
if i was you id look at getting coop in a place that you'd like to work fulltime. then pick an fyp given to you by them or along the lines of what you wanna work in. it'll be a MASSIVE help getting a good job.
eg im a digital design engineer but did an fyp on sms. others did some design on a fpga . not half as interesting but still they had a 3 month head start on me in work

solice

LiouVille wrote:

intel offer 31 grand a year to starting engineers

Ha ha ha ha ha thats so funny! Totally not true!

Boston

Thy said it was a recent developement, and that they where only gettign about half the number of elect engineers going for the interview as they would like

TheBigLebowski

solice wrote:

Ha ha ha ha ha thats so funny! Totally not true!

Care to tell us what is true?

joc_06

i just told you.
plus upto 1.3k relocation allowance

TheBigLebowski

I was asking Solice?

solice

Solice agrees with joc 06. I heard the figure of 28.5k being knocked around. Didnt hear that it was specific to Shannon but i wouldnt be surprised. Shift allowance in Leixlip is quiet good. Ill find out what the actual percentage is. But as a starting salary, you will not get 31k unless you are some sort of engineering whizz!

TheBigLebowski

Engineers do not start on less than 30k in Intel and they don't get shift allowance because they don't work shift. I'm in a pretty good position to know this.

joc_06

grad engineers start on 28.5k level 4. im 100% certain of this. it was 23.5k level 3 last year

Boston

Well The recruitment rep said that spoke to us said less then 4 months ago had a side with 28 grand on it for grad engineers, and she made a point of pointing out that it was now 31 grand for grad engineers. I fail to see why she would lie to us, when they do need us, and it's not going to take very long to cop that they are lying.

daveirl

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solice

Well i was told that 28.5k will be the starting salary when i graduate 2006

Dundhoone

The IEI salary survey results should be out in the next few weeks.

Starting salary for a Civil Eng in a design office would be about 28k , in case anyones interested!

bandraoi

oh and whatever they start off by offering you, ask for more. They may so no, but that doesn't men you can't still take the job.

Mr. Skeffington

It depends what the job market is like in 2006 when you graduate, you can expect around 24k in my opinion and if you have taken positions in engineering during your summer holidays you may earn more!

It all depends how you market yourself in your C.V and at an Interview, a bit of B.S here and there never goes a stray.

I used a trick in an Intervew I went to after I graduated with my Diploma in Eng, went for an interview in a medium sized Irish company and the M.D was interested. I spun him a load of sh1t and told him that I was offered a job in Hewlett Packard for more than what he was offering me, the line I used was that I didnt want to be simply a number on the page for a multi-national and that I wanted to make a real difference in a company like his, he beat the ficticious offer from H.P and I got the job.

Best of luck to all seeking employment after the degree.

joc_06

Mr. Skeffington wrote:

It depends what the job market is like in 2006 when you graduate, you can expect around 24k in my opinion and if you have taken positions in engineering during your summer holidays you may earn more!

It all depends how you market yourself in your C.V and at an Interview, a bit of B.S here and there never goes a stray.

I used a trick in an Intervew I went to after I graduated with my Diploma in Eng, went for an interview in a medium sized Irish company and the M.D was interested. I spun him a load of sh1t and told him that I was offered a job in Hewlett Packard for more than what he was offering me, the line I used was that I didnt want to be simply a number on the page for a multi-national and that I wanted to make a real difference in a company like his, he beat the ficticious offer from H.P and I got the job.

Best of luck to all seeking employment after the degree.

Bullsh!t. doesnt happen and doesnt work. crap talking doesnt work in interviews unless the guys who're interviewing you are stupid or know nothing about their job and in the case of engineers they know their stuff 99% of the time

joc_06

99% of companies nowadays do salary surveys before offering jobs to grad's. Never mention money unless its a job you dont particularly care to get cas it lessens your chances in a lot of cases.
My advice to you is already given: get coop in a place youd like to work, do an fyp given to you by them and know the basics of your course back to front. As a grad you'll never get asked complicated stuff but they'll bombard you with fundamental stuff.
In elec eng the fav's are whats a low pass filter and q's on it, whats a full adder and q's on it, some comb logic - draw waveforms for it, a state machine q, given waveforms work back to get the circuit. Im telling ya if you can handle the above you'll get any design elec eng's grad job

Bacchus

31K starting :rolleyes:
That's not an average figure. That'd be what they pay the absolute top graduate. The average in general for new electronic engineering graduates is roughly 24 - 25k a year. If you are in a position to shop around for a job you may find better offers. If you have a postgrad your starting pay will most likely be higher but I don't know by how much. After about 5 years experience you should be able to pull in 40k (not an exact figure - just going by a friend of mine). After that, I suppose it all depends on how good you are.

Is anyone worried about the drop in points for engineering the last couple of years. My first reaction was "yeah, more jobs for me" but when you think about it, if Ireland's not producing enough quality engineers, electronics companies are going to feck off to India and China where they've bucket loads of engineers to spare. This will leave Ireland with a lot of poor electronic engineers without a job.

Fmicrochip

The average in general for new electronic engineering graduates is roughly 24 - 25k a year.

I don't agree with this. I would say average is €30K.

To the original poster: Don't just look at the salary, depending on the company you could also get stock options and a quarterly bonus. Quarterly bonuses were gone for a while but are back now

copacetic

Fmicrochip wrote:

I don't agree with this. I would say average is €30K.

To the original poster: Don't just look at the salary, depending on the company you could also get stock options and a quarterly bonus. Quarterly bonuses were gone for a while but are back now

I think this is very high, this is saying that half of grads get more than 30 with no experience and can basically produce nothing for 6 months to a year?.


In my experience (electronics) grads are looking at 25 or so. 30 with 1 or 2 years experience. In a small company this can vary as throwing a couple of extra grand at a grad makes very little difference to the company. If you are taking on 20 or so grads it is more likely they all get the same with little room to move on it as everyone has got to get the same or it opens a can of worms...

CathalMc

Bacchus wrote:

31K starting :rolleyes:
That's not an average figure. That'd be what they pay the absolute top graduate....

Hypothetically, if one was the absolute top graduate, what approach would one have to make to companies to get that kind of money? It seems to me that to go with the annual graduate job hunt at each college is to get stuck with the predecided salary. Does someone here have experience of this?

Fmicrochip

I'm not sure about the idea of "absolute top graduate". Do you mean someone who graduates with a 1.1?

True story: Somebody who got a 1.1 in a module related to Image Processing didn't know what a bmp or jpg was. :eek:

Fmicrochip

In my experience (electronics) grads are looking at 25 or so. 30 with 1 or 2 years experience. In a small company this can vary as throwing a couple of extra grand at a grad makes very little difference to the company. If you are taking on 20 or so grads it is more likely they all get the same with little room to move on it as everyone has got to get the same or it opens a can of worms...

Actually I think you are right Daveym. I was thinking of big companies but I think taking all companies big and small into account it would be more like 25k on average. Sorry about that.

copacetic

Fmicrochip wrote:

Actually I think you are right Daveym. I was thinking of big companies but I think taking all companies big and small into account it would be more like 25k on average. Sorry about that.

no problem was starting to feel sick at the thought of what I was earning as a grad only 7 years ago!

Dave

Recent College Graduates in Intel start at around the 31k mark as said above (I should know). If they end up working shift then they get a 50% shift bonus on top of that. There are other bonuses then during the year also.

Fmicrochip

This is a useful link:
http://www.cpl.ie/pdf/cpl_salaryguide.pdf

Vegeta

Started in Analog Devices as a grad engineer in Sept 05 on 27,500 euro

MisterAnarchy

Recent College Graduates in Intel start at around the 31k mark as said

I find that figure had to believe.
Seeing as the graduate market for engineering has been in low demand for the last 3-4 years ,the figures bandied around of approx 30k for starting graduates seems daft.
I know lots of graduates who cant even get jobs related to their degrees not to mind 30k a year.
People are believing the propaganda spread around.
its an employers market.
31k a year,your having a laugh.
Intel are notoriously bad payers.

toiletduck

MisterAnarchy wrote:

I find that figure had to believe.
Seeing as the graduate market for engineering has been in low demand for the last 3-4 years ,the figures bandied around of approx 30k for starting graduates seems daft.
I know lots of graduates who cant even get jobs related to their degrees not to mind 30k a year.
People are believing the propaganda spread around.
its an employers market.
31k a year,your having a laugh.
Intel are notoriously bad payers.

a few intel people were at NUIG giving a talk about what they do etc. a few weeks back, someone asked what was the starting salary for graduates and they told us it was around E31,000

MisterAnarchy

a few intel people were at NUIG giving a talk about what they do etc. a few weeks back, someone asked what was the starting salary for graduates and they told us it was around E31,000

Well all I can say is I know a few engineers working there all with over 3 years exp and they arent earning more than 31k so that figure seem suspicious.

solice

MisterAnarchy wrote:

Well all I can say is I know a few engineers working there all with over 3 years exp and they arent earning more than 31k so that figure seem suspicious.

I asked them at the careers fair in UCC what the starting salary was for an RCG, they said it would be 28500 in 2006. She did say that it might change as there will be a meeting (between who i dont know) in January 2006 about it.

I was also told of the 28.5k when i was working there over the summer

She also said that if you were to work on shift there would be between 37% and 43% shif allowance.

copacetic

MisterAnarchy wrote:

Well all I can say is I know a few engineers working there all with over 3 years exp and they arent earning more than 31k so that figure seem suspicious.

they are getting seriously shafted..
I know a few people in intel with that kind of experience (and less) and they are on a lot more..

Vegeta

intel's starting salary for an electronic engineer this year was 27,750 I know this as a friend was offered at job at both intel and Analog and intel were only paying 250 euro a year than Analog's 27,500!! Case closed

daveirl

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lefty_ie

hey, my bro is joining analog devices this year as a graduate design engineer. starting salary is 28K. does anyone know whether this is a fixed salary for a few years or does the salary increase after say the first year ? two years ?? what would he be earning after say the first year, and the second year ?? and whats the semi-annual bonus like ?? 1k or thereabouts ??
cheers

cargrouch

lefty_ie wrote:

hey, my bro is joining analog devices this year as a graduate design engineer. starting salary is 28K. does anyone know whether this is a fixed salary for a few years or does the salary increase after say the first year ? two years ?? what would he be earning after say the first year, and the second year ?? and whats the semi-annual bonus like ?? 1k or thereabouts ??
cheers

Salary increases are never ever guaranteed in electronics. You could work your fingers to the bone all year, but if review time comes at the same time as a bit of a blip for the company then you can get shafted.

Analog has recently bumped everybody up as they hadn't been giving great money for a long time. So at the moment, people who graduated in 2004 seem to be on an average of 31K basic. I would see bonuses as just that in electronics, never expect them or try to predict them unless you want to be disappointed.

While we're on this topic, just to address previous posters comments - I think Intel and Analog should be taken as the average RCG rate. Nowhere else takes on sufficient numbers of graduates to swing the average away from these rates unless they're hiring electronic eng grads at over 100K. Seriously, if you want to claim that X got more than 31K basic starting for an IC/IP design company then state how many grads they took on in the last 12 months on that rate, or better yet - state where. And PM me a contact in that company;)

zuutroy

I know this thread is old, but to update...Intel pay €28k to grads, and €34.5 to PhD grads...This is 100%.

lefty_ie

quick question you guys,
so if the salary is euro 28K, how much do you actually get in your hands after all the tax etc. ??? and i heard for the first 6 months there is no tax ?? is that true ?? so would get the full pay then ??
cheers

cargrouch

28K after tax averages out to between 1900 and 2000 a month after tax IIRC

les-paul

I've used this a couple of times

http://www.irishjobs.ie/resource_centre/salarycalculator.asp#calc

which gives a month salary of 2011.85 euro after taxes for a single person from a 28000 gross annual rate.

lefty_ie

thanks. also, any info on the 6 months non taxable wage ?? is that true ??

daveirl

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jpboyne

grads in Ericsson start on 25k regardless if its a test design or verification position