Hatton vs Mayweather

akindoc

If this fight happens, who do you see winning?

I can't see past Mayweather in this fight. He would slip and slid and counter Hatton all night. It wouldn't be as bad as the Gatti fight, but it would be close. Now, people may say that since Castillo gave Mayweather trouble, that means Hatton will give Mayweather trouble... not true. Mayweather broke his hand in the first Castillo fight and won comfortably in the second Castillo fight and I think that Castillo is more skilled than Hatton anyway. Hatton would be STUNG by Mayweather like Gatti was and although he'd try to get inside and work the body, Mayweather has the best defence in boxing.

But there are so many hurdles, one wonders if this fight would ever happen. Mayweather will want it on his terms, Warren will want it on his terms. Mayweather might be moving up, Plus don't forget all the money, the venue, the egos... this fight won't happen. It's a shame.

nasty_crash

i dont think that hatton would be as bad as you think with mayweather - personally i think hatton is the best body puncher in his division and i think thats where mayweather will fall! mayweather is fast but i hatton will be 2 much in his face.

greysquirel

think mayweathers been blown up a bit much after his win over gatti, who has had is day, a great warrior but never in the same class as hatton or mayweather. Had the heart and chin but never had the silky skills of a mayweather.

Hatton's fitness is unbelievable, he'd be at mayweather all night long, every minute of every round, I don't think he'd be able for it. Mayweathers defence is good, but gatti had no defence, he wasn't in that fight at all. Hatton's offence and punch rate and fiteness would be the key, I think he'd surprise a lot of people if it ever happens.

He wasn't given much a chance against Kosta but he showed he can mix it with the big names!!

akindoc

greysquirel wrote:

think mayweathers been blown up a bit much after his win over gatti, who has had is day, a great warrior but never in the same class as hatton or mayweather. Had the heart and chin but never had the silky skills of a mayweather.

Hatton's fitness is unbelievable, he'd be at mayweather all night long, every minute of every round, I don't think he'd be able for it. Mayweathers defence is good, but gatti had no defence, he wasn't in that fight at all. Hatton's offence and punch rate and fiteness would be the key, I think he'd surprise a lot of people if it ever happens.

He wasn't given much a chance against Kosta but he showed he can mix it with the big names!!

yeah but Tszyu had only fought 3 rounds in 2 years and was coming off a bad injury AND was 36.

This is "The Prettyboy" Floyd Mayweather we are talking about. Pound for pound #1.

I understand your points about Hattons fitness but at the end of the day, it's all about skills. If the fight is help in the USA, Floyd will walk it. It won't happen in Manchester. And why should it? Hatton never travelled to face the champion.

greysquirel

akindoc wrote:

yeah but Tszyu had only fought 3 rounds in 2 years and was coming off a bad injury AND was 36.

This is "The Prettyboy" Floyd Mayweather we are talking about. Pound for pound #1.

I understand your points about Hattons fitness but at the end of the day, it's all about skills. If the fight is help in the USA, Floyd will walk it. It won't happen in Manchester. And why should it? Hatton never travelled to face the champion.

Yeah I agree Tszyu wasn't as good as he would have been a couple of years ago but still hatton really had him on the back foot the last few rounds.

I hope it goes ahead but I son't see hatton fighting him in the states, and it's hard to see Mayweather travelling to Manchester. We live in hope!!

Big Ears

The Gatti fight has been blwon way out of proportion , infact I disregard the fight completely .

gatti's tacics were the worst ive ever seen a proffesional fighter use (that includes fighters ive seen come out swinging looking to be hit on the chin)

He stayed at range with a wide stance and tryed to singe jab Floyed and line him up for a big KO punch .

One possible outcome of this fight (there are hundreds) is that HAtton could slow Floyd with his ferocious body punches . Imagine Floyd without speed :eek: not quite as bad as RJJ without it but still he reallies far too much on his speed to land punches .

akindoc

Big Ears wrote:

The Gatti fight has been blwon way out of proportion , infact I disregard the fight completely .

gatti's tacics were the worst ive ever seen a proffesional fighter use (that includes fighters ive seen come out swinging looking to be hit on the chin)

He stayed at range with a wide stance and tryed to singe jab Floyed and line him up for a big KO punch .

One possible outcome of this fight (there are hundreds) is that HAtton could slow Floyd with his ferocious body punches . Imagine Floyd without speed :eek: not quite as bad as RJJ without it but still he reallies far too much on his speed to land punches .

Imagining Floyd without speed is like imagining you without arms at this stage.

It's always going to be there at this stage in his career. He WILL slow down with age but he is a young 28. hatton might slow his movement but the handspeed will still be there.

I think you are not giving Floys as much credit as he deserves for the Gatti fight, although Gatti's tactics were indeed a joke. It was the biggest mismatch since Tyson vs Seldon.

I also agree that there are a multitude of ways this fight would pan out, but the most likely one is that Floyd uses his superb ability to sting Hatton repeatedly en route to a decision or a late stoppage win. I think Hatton is too one-dimensional.

Cotto is a different story.

Big Ears

akindoc wrote:

Cotto is a different story.

As in he's a mix of both fighters but wouldn't beat either . He's got a questionable chin too .

Another thing to bring into the equation (floyd V Ricky) is I don't beleive Mayweather has the power at this weight . The only time he rocked Gatti was when Gatti took his eyes off him and complained to the ref and even then im not sure he would have fallen had the ropes not been there . He caught gatti very clean (repeatedly) but couldn't lay him out .

Theres also the question can Floyd really take a punch at this weight , he's been too quick to take one so far and many beleive there is no question simply because people can't catch him good .

Another thing to mention is Hatton is over his cuts problem (for quit a while now too) , which was a masive drawback in his past but that is gone so I don't thing either fighter would lose on cuts .

Floyd is comfortable on the back foot (to say the least) but could he really fight on the back foot and dodge Hatton for 3 minutes of every round which is what he'll have to do unless he can stop hatton .

At some point he's just going to have to go toe to toe and although he would land much more shots in an exchange like that I think Hatton has the upper hand in power .


So its Floyd to win by a boxing masterclass or Hatton to exploit Floyd as the smaller man .

akindoc

Big Ears wrote:

As in he's a mix of both fighters but wouldn't beat either . He's got a questionable chin too .

Another thing to bring into the equation (floyd V Ricky) is I don't beleive Mayweather has the power at this weight . The only time he rocked Gatti was when Gatti took his eyes off him and complained to the ref and even then im not sure he would have fallen had the ropes not been there . He caught gatti very clean (repeatedly) but couldn't lay him out .

Theres also the question can Floyd really take a punch at this weight , he's been too quick to take one so far and many beleive there is no question simply because people can't catch him good .

Another thing to mention is Hatton is over his cuts problem (for quit a while now too) , which was a masive drawback in his past but that is gone so I don't thing either fighter would lose on cuts .

Floyd is comfortable on the back foot (to say the least) but could he really fight on the back foot and dodge Hatton for 3 minutes of every round which is what he'll have to do unless he can stop hatton .

At some point he's just going to have to go toe to toe and although he would land much more shots in an exchange like that I think Hatton has the upper hand in power .


So its Floyd to win by a boxing masterclass or Hatton to exploit Floyd as the smaller man .

Good post.

there are a lot of questions regarding this fight and there could be a lot of money to be made because I'd say Hatton would be an underdog after Floyds performance against Gatti. I am confident that Floyd can and will stay away from Ricky and use his ability to stop him late on.

Hatton hasn't cut in a while but that doesn't mean the problem is out of the way at all. Once you have a bad cut like he has had, you are susceptable to getting them again due to the scar tissue. While I wouldn't say it's a BIG problem, it could still be an issue. Floyd is a very accurate fighter too.

Interesting that you think Hatton would beat Cotto. How do you see that one going? I have always thought Cotto would ironically stop Hatton with a body shot late on.

Big Ears

Its no coincedence Hatton's cuts stopped as soon as his nutrionist came . He has very pale skin which is often susceptable to cuts but unless he gets caught with a slashing punch at an angle right on where previous cuts occured and for the shot to be a very big one he won't cut .

Cotto is still a bit inexperienced and for almost all of his fights he slacks off for a round or two . But this has happened against the likes of Lovemore N'dou , a though competitor but certainly no Hatton or Mayweather . Hatton doesn't appear to have a weakness to body shots , ones never even come close to flooring him and although Cotto has very good power (better than Hatton's IMO) I don't seeing him beating Hatton like that .

Im not sure how Cotto would cope with being pressured or many other things .
he just hasn't faught the same oposition as the other two (yes Hatton really only has Tszyu that shines out from Cotto's opposition)

At times Cotto has seen magnificent and im a big fan of his but I beleive that are some flaws in him and that they will be shown up when he fights thougher opposition .

akindoc

Big Ears wrote:

Its no coincedence Hatton's cuts stopped as soon as his nutrionist came . He has very pale skin which is often susceptable to cuts but unless he gets caught with a slashing punch at an angle right on where previous cuts occured and for the shot to be a very big one he won't cut .
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How do you know this? It's a fact that once a bad cut like Hatton has had (and has REPEATEDLY HAD by the way) will never be 100%. He'll always be susceptable to cuts there whether you like it or not. I would be almost certain that Mayweather will cut him.

Big Ears wrote:

Cotto is still a bit inexperienced and for almost all of his fights he slacks off for a round or two . But this has happened against the likes of Lovemore N'dou , a though competitor but certainly no Hatton or Mayweather . Hatton doesn't appear to have a weakness to body shots , ones never even come close to flooring him and although Cotto has very good power (better than Hatton's IMO) I don't seeing him beating Hatton like that .
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Since when has Hatton taken a serious body shot? Cotto is a master body puncher himself with the left hook and while Hatton has been facing the likes of the formidable Smith, Vilches, Rios etc, Cotto has been taking on better competition. His resume sh*ts all over Hattons, bar Tszyu.

He's beaten the likes of Abdullaev, Corley, Pinto and Bailey. All are considerably better than anyone on Hatton's ledger bar Tszyu and he has not even had HALF of the amount of fights Hatton has had.

akindoc

It's also worth mentioning that Hatton beat a 36 year old Tszyu who had fought 3 easy rounds in 2 years and was coming off a serious injury. And the fight itself was very dirty. Hatton wouldn't be allowed to fight like that in a US ring.

He is being very overrated because of this fight. Who else has he beaten?

Big Ears

Ben Tackie , who was rated as high as Gatti was at the time of beating him .
Tszyu was 35 .

I would be almost certain that Mayweather will cut him. How can you be sure he would be cut , Hatton didn't cut against Tszyu and took some good shots around the eyes and nose .

Abdullaev : a very good amateur but only a decent pro .
Corley: decent fighter nothing great though .
Pinto: just about the chinniest Light-Welterweight in the whole division , he's also got a style that makes Maussa look like a defencive master . He also has a very padded record and never really faught anyone .
Bailey: a good fighter but has been beaten when he's stepped up in class + beaten by Corley .

These results only show Cotto is a very good fighter , but nothing to show he's a great fighter . Interesting to note he's fighting Branco next who's on the same level as the guys above .

Hatton has a stronger left hook to the body than Cotto .

Sosa is another decent name on Cotto's record but the point is the manner of their victories not just the opponent . Cotto's concentration just seems to lapse at times and at the top level he could find himself knocked out because of it .

Magee was a good fighter at the time he faced Hatton , not to mention Hatton had a fight agreed with Pinto but Pinto didn't turn up to fight and Hatton beat Pedersen , a man only beaten by Paul Spadafora and Boris Sinitsin .


Hutchinson , Stewart ,Krivolapov , Philips(past his best) and Olivera (past his best)
, are not the same level as a lot of Cotto's comp but ok fighters none the less .

When you look at performances you can see that Cotto has still more learning to do and that Hatton is reaching his prime . Not to mention Cotto may have to move up to Welter very soon as he struggles at the weight .
I think we'd see a much better Cotto at Welterweight that light-welter , I just feel theres too much strain on him to make the weight and thtas what could be affecting his performances and very well could affect his stamina .

Hatton may never have been hit with a ferocious body shot that Cotto can dish out but the opposite of that is also true . Neither fighter has indicated any weakness to body shots either . The prediction of Hatton being beaten by a body shot is like saying Cotto is going to be in a coma after his next fight , theres just nothing to indicate it will happen .

akindoc

Big Ears wrote:

Ben Tackie , who was rated as high as Gatti was at the time of beating him .
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Tackie was and is a world class punch bag. Mitchell and Tszyu easily handled him and Hatton only took him on after he had been exposed. Abdullaev, N'dou and Corley would beat him.

Tszyu was 35 .

Big Ears wrote:

Abdullaev : a very good amateur but only a decent pro .
Corley: decent fighter nothing great though .
Pinto: just about the chinniest Light-Welterweight in the whole division , he's also got a style that makes Maussa look like a defencive master . He also has a very padded record and never really faught anyone .
Bailey: a good fighter but has been beaten when he's stepped up in class + beaten by Corley .

These results only show Cotto is a very good fighter , but nothing to show he's a great fighter . Interesting to note he's fighting Branco next who's on the same level as the guys above .
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I basically mentioned those fighters because you said Hatton has a better resume than Cotto. These are all very capable fighters and indeed better than anyone on Hatton's record. Abdullaev is a gold medallist and has good skills. Corley went the distance with Floyd, Judah and Bailey, yet Cotto KO'd him. Corley gave Judah and Mayweather big problems too. This speaks volumes. Corley is a BIG win for Cotto. Pinto impressed me greatly in his loss to Cotto. Emmanuel Stewart was also very impressed. I rate Pinto highly. and Ndou actually BEAT Mitchell in many peoples eyes and gave Witter hell.

Cotto has fought some tough competition and as I said before, in HALF the time that Hatton has. Cotto has fought all different styles. You will note that Hatton has never fought a slick fighter in the mould of Witter/Corley/Judah/Mitchell. I think this is his undoing because these fighters have the perfect style to beat him.

Big Ears wrote:

Hatton has a stronger left hook to the body than Cotto .
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Disagree strongly. We can agree to disagree here, but Hatton has shown me he is not a power puncher at the TOP level. He requires several punches to score knockdowns. I believe you have been fooled by his blowing out of old men and 135 pounders.

Big Ears wrote:

Magee was a good fighter at the time he faced Hatton , not to mention Hatton had a fight agreed with Pinto but Pinto didn't turn up to fight and Hatton beat Pedersen , a man only beaten by Paul Spadafora and Boris Sinitsin .
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I disagree

Magee had lost to the likes of Paul Burke (who?) and a blood and guts battles with Shea Neary, a fight he was lucky to win. He was a good fighter but nowhere near the likes of Corley. And Pederson was a blown up 135 pounder. Spadafora is a 135 pounder who has a huge reputation as a NON hitter... he can't punch. And sinitsin carries no power, yet he KO'd Pederson at SUPERFEATHER WEIGHT in 3 rounds. Pederson was a joke of an opponent for a 140 pounder and just another in the long list of bums Hatton fought before he fought Tszyu. Also, Junior Witter made himself available to fight Hatton that time but Hatton opted for the easier Pederson.

Big Ears wrote:

Hutchinson , Stewart ,Krivolapov , Philips(past his best) and Olivera (past his best)
, are not the same level as a lot of Cotto's comp but ok fighters none the less .

Again I disagree. They were overmatched fighters. Stewart was handled and blown away by Mitchell on a Hatton undercard... then hatton ducks Mitchell and fights Stewart. Phillips was KO'd in 1 round after the Hatton fight proving how shot he was and Oliveria had not made 140 pounds for a long time and basically came out of retirement for that fight.

Big Ears wrote:

When you look at performances you can see that Cotto has still more learning to do and that Hatton is reaching his prime . .

I can't see how you can conclude this. Cotto has been mightily impressive in each of his outings and if you take away an old inactive Tszyu win from Hattons ledger, his record is piss poor.

Big Ears wrote:

Not to mention Cotto may have to move up to Welter very soon as he struggles at the weight .
I think we'd see a much better Cotto at Welterweight that light-welter , I just feel theres too much strain on him to make the weight and thtas what could be affecting his performances and very well could affect his stamina ..

You are certainly right here. Cotto does find it hard to make the weight but I think he can continue to do it. Hatton blows up himself between fights. It's more of a worry with hatton because of his style. The body just can't take all of that. But I believe that Cotto will eventually move up. Maybe Hatton will too

Big Ears wrote:

Hatton may never have been hit with a ferocious body shot that Cotto can dish out but the opposite of that is also true . Neither fighter has indicated any weakness to body shots either . The prediction of Hatton being beaten by a body shot is like saying Cotto is going to be in a coma after his next fight , theres just nothing to indicate it will happen ...

I think that styles make fights and I can see Cotto catching Hatton with his fast hands and deadly body shots. Maybe you can see the opposite but I think that Cotto's body punching will stop Hatton. Cottos style and Hattons style indicate to me that it will happen.


Good debate though

Big Ears

Not much else to say except he only faught Pederson because Pinto pulled out .
N'Dou only gave Witter problems because Witter has no stamina .
Pinto actually disimpressed me with his loss to Cotto , his chin was so easy to hit it was unbeleiveable .

As I said Abdullaev was a very good amatuer but he is only a decent pro .
As I said Corley is a decent fighter but nothing great .

Cotto was brought along a lot quicker than Hatton . (blame Warren for that)

I know Hatton is an accumalative puncher and not a knock out artist at the top level but I still beleive that Hatton's left is stronger .

Paul Burke was a British and Commonwealth champion at both Lighweight and Ligh-Welterweight and also faught for the European title . In his prime I would rank Magee in a similer position to Corley .At the time Witter was calling out Hatton he was actually jumping the queue(sp?) as Magee was rated higher than him at the time and Witter actually dodged Magee .
Hatton took the fight with Pinto ahead of the fight with Witter , as I said Pinto pulled out very late .

Hatton didn't duck Mitchell , infact if Mitchell had beaten Tszyu we could have well seen that fight instead of the one that materialsed .
Hatton was very much interested in a fight with Mitchell .

Oliveira did not come out of retirement for that fight , he had faught 2 months previously and 8 months before that and 6 months before that , winning all 3 fights .

I conclude that Cotto is still learning because he is still improving , surely you agree ?

I don't see how Hatton's record has anything to do with him reaching his prime now .

Guess I had more to say than I thought , styles make fights : Cotto can't handle Hatton (right now) .

akindoc

Big Ears wrote:

Not much else to say except he only faught Pederson because Pinto pulled out .
N'Dou only gave Witter problems because Witter has no stamina .
Pinto actually disimpressed me with his loss to Cotto , his chin was so easy to hit it was unbeleiveable .

As I said Abdullaev was a very good amatuer but he is only a decent pro .
As I said Corley is a decent fighter but nothing great .

Cotto was brought along a lot quicker than Hatton . (blame Warren for that)

I know Hatton is an accumalative puncher and not a knock out artist at the top level but I still beleive that Hatton's left is stronger .

Paul Burke was a British and Commonwealth champion at both Lighweight and Ligh-Welterweight and also faught for the European title . In his prime I would rank Magee in a similer position to Corley .At the time Witter was calling out Hatton he was actually jumping the queue(sp?) as Magee was rated higher than him at the time and Witter actually dodged Magee .
Hatton took the fight with Pinto ahead of the fight with Witter , as I said Pinto pulled out very late .

Hatton didn't duck Mitchell , infact if Mitchell had beaten Tszyu we could have well seen that fight instead of the one that materialsed .
Hatton was very much interested in a fight with Mitchell .

Oliveira did not come out of retirement for that fight , he had faught 2 months previously and 8 months before that and 6 months before that , winning all 3 fights .

I conclude that Cotto is still learning because he is still improving , surely you agree ?

I don't see how Hatton's record has anything to do with him reaching his prime now .

Guess I had more to say than I thought , styles make fights : Cotto can't handle Hatton (right now) .

Hatton is also to blame. We can't JUST blame Warren. Hatton would have left and stepped up himself instead of staying around for years fighting the likes of Rios, Vilches, Smith, Phillips, Oliviera etc. Witter put himself available for every single one of those fights. He called Hatton out on Sky numerously. Hatton even said it was in his contract to face Witter... then why did he fight Vilches and Rios instead?

Magee is not on par with Corley at all. Do you really think he would last the distance with Mayweather and Judah and give them both problems like Corley did? Please answer this question because it will tell me a lot.

When Mitchell fought Stewart on Sky, he called Hatton out. Him and Gary Shaw tried to make the fight but Warren and Hatton were not interested. They were more interested in Stewart... the guy Mitchell did a paintjob on. Mitchell wanted the Hatton fight then and told fightnews that Hatton was ducking him.

Oliviera was a disgraceful match. The guy hadn't made 140 in ages and basically said he was finished with boxing after his loss to Ellio Ortiz on Showtime. He was old and he was weight drained. He hadn't made 140 in over 3 years. How can you justify this match when Junior Witter (British, European and Commonwewalth champion) and Mitchell made themselves available?

Cotto is the finished artical now IMO. He's ready for any 140 pounder. It's a matter of opinion whether or not he'd beat Hatton but I really think you are overrating Hatton and especially his victory over an aging 35 year old who had 3 easy rounds in 2 years and who came off a serious injury. Take away the Tszyu fight and Hattons record is sh*te.

Big Ears

I think prime Magee (he's ****ed now after that street attack) would have gone the distance with Mayweather and Judah but lost both by wide margins . But I think he would make both look poor with his counterpunching style although wouldn't trouble them much at all .

Mitchell's all talk but not a lot of action , he beat Stewart but wasn't as impressive as Hatton in doing so .

Hatton had agreed a fight with Pinto for same night Mitchell took Stewart , who was taking the easy option there ?

Hatton faught Vilches after that and Mitchell faught.........Moises Pedroza......who the **** is he ? . Hatton wanted to fight Mitchell and that was obvious , I bleive Warren was at fault for this fight not happening after the Stewart/Pedersen fights as a result Hatton came very close to sacking Warren .

Cotto is not ready for any 140 lb'er , Mayweather , Hatton and Tszyu would all beat him and by the time Cotto is truely ready for those fights he will be at 147 .

The reason Tszyu only had 3 rounds in those 2 years (besides his injury) is he knocked the #2 man in the division the **** Out and in very impressive fashion .

Hatton's record on paper before Tszyu isn't great but his manner of victory in the majority is brilliant , Warren deserves a lot of blame for this resulting in hatton becoming very frustrated last year and he was within an inch of sacking Warren .

Warren hates Witter by the way , I think this was one of the main reasons a Hatton V Witter fight didn't happen .

akindoc

Big Ears wrote:

I think prime Magee (he's ****ed now after that street attack) would have gone the distance with Mayweather and Judah but lost both by wide margins . But I think he would make both look poor with his counterpunching style although wouldn't trouble them much at all .

Mitchell's all talk but not a lot of action , he beat Stewart but wasn't as impressive as Hatton in doing so .

Hatton had agreed a fight with Pinto for same night Mitchell took Stewart , who was taking the easy option there ?

Hatton faught Vilches after that and Mitchell faught.........Moises Pedroza......who the **** is he ? . Hatton wanted to fight Mitchell and that was obvious , I bleive Warren was at fault for this fight not happening after the Stewart/Pedersen fights as a result Hatton came very close to sacking Warren .

Cotto is not ready for any 140 lb'er , Mayweather , Hatton and Tszyu would all beat him and by the time Cotto is truely ready for those fights he will be at 147 .

The reason Tszyu only had 3 rounds in those 2 years (besides his injury) is he knocked the #2 man in the division the **** Out and in very impressive fashion .

Hatton's record on paper before Tszyu isn't great but his manner of victory in the majority is brilliant , Warren deserves a lot of blame for this resulting in hatton becoming very frustrated last year and he was within an inch of sacking Warren .

Warren hates Witter by the way , I think this was one of the main reasons a Hatton V Witter fight didn't happen .

Magee would last the distance with Mayweather and Judah?

Look. Mitchell called Hatton out live on Sky. Hatton and Warren took the EASY option of fighting a bum instead of the READY WILLING AND ABLE MITCHELL. Mitchell would have done it in Manchester. Hatton wasn't interested because he has never fought a slick fighter and would get knocked out cold if he did.

So why did Hatton fight Smith, Hutchenson, Rios, Vilches, Stewart and Oliviera instead of real challenges. Witter was available for each and every one of those fights. Judah even challenged Hatton in Manchester. Why didn't Hatton sack Warren midway through this? because he was happy doing it and I would say that he'll continue to do it now that he has a title.

And the fact still remains that Tszyu was an inactive OLD 35 year old man who was coming off a serious injury. Lets see Hatton fight PBF or Witter or Cotto now and see what happens when he fights a real challenge.

Hattons manner of victory has been good because he had been fighting old men and 135 pounders. He was a joke in the USA before he fought Tszyu. I read it on all of the message boards. Just because he beat an old, inactive, coming back from injury champion, doesn't make him great.

And Cotto is more than ready. He has proven it time and time again. he would beat Hatton and possibly Mayweather. The fact that you think Cotto isn't ready to fight them makes me think you haven't seen him much, or maybe you don't like him. You are talking like he would be an outsider against them. He would be no more than 2/1 against Hatton and Mayweather, maybe even the favourite against Hatton.

Big Ears

I have seen lots of Cotto and am a big fan of his , but you seem to think he is already a top 10 lb 4lb fighter when he has never faced a true world class fighter .

judah never wanted a fight with Hatton he hasn't even been a light-welter for almost 2 years .

Its fair to criticise the Vilches Stewart and Oliveira fights but before Tackie Hatton had not really arrived as one of the top light-welters and it would be unfair to criticise his opposition .

Warren wasn't happy with the money for a Mitchell fight , probably more to do with him being overprotective than just about money . Remember promoters make fights and Warren was the one who stopped this from happening . Hatton wasn't happy fighting a lot of the opposition he had and if for some reason the Tszyu fight hadn't have gone ahead it would have been the last straw and Warren would have been sacked . Hatton openly critisized him for not getting bigger fights for him and said 'im not happy with the way things are going and if I don't get a big fight I may have to look at my options' Warren was standing right beside him when he said this and his face went as white as a ghost .

'see Hatton fight PBF or Witter or Cotto now and see what happens when he fights a real challenge.' I'd love to see that , although I wouldn't call Witter a real challenge . You don't honestly beleive Witter would give Hatton more problems that Tszyu do you ?

Mayweather would school Cotto and thats something for me to say because I hate Mayweather . I really don't see where this confidence is coming from . Fair enoguh you would pick Cotto to beat Hatton but you almost seem to think Cotto is #2/#3 lb 4lb and that Hatton is on a par with the likes of Urkal .

akindoc

Big Ears wrote:

I have seen lots of Cotto and am a big fan of his , but you seem to think he is already a top 10 lb 4lb fighter when he has never faced a true world class fighter .

judah never wanted a fight with Hatton he hasn't even been a light-welter for almost 2 years .

Its fair to criticise the Vilches Stewart and Oliveira fights but before Tackie Hatton had not really arrived as one of the top light-welters and it would be unfair to criticise his opposition .

Warren wasn't happy with the money for a Mitchell fight , probably more to do with him being overprotective than just about money . Remember promoters make fights and Warren was the one who stopped this from happening . Hatton wasn't happy fighting a lot of the opposition he had and if for some reason the Tszyu fight hadn't have gone ahead it would have been the last straw and Warren would have been sacked . Hatton openly critisized him for not getting bigger fights for him and said 'im not happy with the way things are going and if I don't get a big fight I may have to look at my options' Warren was standing right beside him when he said this and his face went as white as a ghost .

'see Hatton fight PBF or Witter or Cotto now and see what happens when he fights a real challenge.' I'd love to see that , although I wouldn't call Witter a real challenge . You don't honestly beleive Witter would give Hatton more problems that Tszyu do you ?

Mayweather would school Cotto and thats something for me to say because I hate Mayweather . I really don't see where this confidence is coming from . Fair enoguh you would pick Cotto to beat Hatton but you almost seem to think Cotto is #2/#3 lb 4lb and that Hatton is on a par with the likes of Urkal .

Just because I think Cotto wipes the floor with Hatton doesn't mean I rate him lb for lb. That just shows how highly you rate Hatton to think that.

Judah called Hatton out and said he would go to Manchester to fight him before he moved up to 147. This HAPPENED. Hatton went into hiding instead of taking a hiding from Judah.

It wouldn't really be unfair to criticise Hattons opposition before the Tackie fight. They guy has had 40 something fights and has just now finally fought a top fighter. Compare that to Cotto, Mayweather or any of the other top 140 pounders. They stepped up in half the time but Hatton was content to fight bums and old men. Now he has fought Tszyu, let's see him go to the US and fight Mayweather.

Again, if Hatton wasn't happy fighting the opposition, he could have told Warren to **** off. That whole incident was planned by Warren and Hatton to make Hatton look like he wanted the big fights all along when he was really screwing the fans out of money. This is a guy who had 40 fights and was STILL a prospect!!

Just because Tszyu lost to hatton doesn't mean Witter cannot beat Hatton. STYLES make fights and Hatton has never fought a slick fighter and probably never will. If Witter is such an easy fight, why has Hatton ducked him for 4 years? Why didn't he fight him when it was "in his contract"?

Mayweather may very well beat Cotto but he would also beat Hatton quite easily. hatton is WIDE open for Mayweathers shots and his counters are twice as fast as HAttons. At least Cotto has a good defence and is an excellent schooled boxer. Hatton has only one way to fight. What is he going to do? Outbox Mayweather like Gatti did? Outfight Mayweather like Corrales did? lol

I don't know why you are overrating Ricky "I finally stepped up" Hatton so much. He's a good fighter but Tszyu was clearly over the hill and his inactivity hurt him bigtime. Cotto is world class. Who else has stopped Corley? NOT Mayweather and NOT Judah.

Big Ears

It can be viewed how highly I rate him or how lowly you rate him . TBH a mix of both of our opinions is where Hatton is at .

I had never heard about Judah calling him out this thread was the first I heard of it so I can't comment on it anymore .

Cotto and Floyd have matured faster theres no argument against that its a fact . But who knows maybe Hatton needed those extra fights , we can't be the judge of if he was ready to step up earlier . I wouldn't have called Hatton content to fight them but whatever . Id like to see Floyd V Hatton in Madison square Garden in January (Floyd's fighting November and not against Hatton so that would be the earliest the fight could happen) it would make me so happy I would nearly cry .

How do you know it was planned ? , the fans weren't being srewed they were happy to come back again and again by their own choice .

I think Witter's style could give HAtton major problems I agree with that however I assume you have seen Witter's last to fights ?.........he tired half way through both and was very lucky to hang on against Kotelnik .
Even if Witter won all of the first 6 rounds I would fancy him to be KO/TKO'ed by the 8th or the 9th he just fatigue's so badly and Hatton would be in his face relentlessly meaning he might even tire quicker than his last 2 fights .

Im not doubting its true or anything but what proof is there that fighting Witter was in his contract ?

I don't give Cotto that much chance aginst Mayweather because I think Cotto will try to box him and well Floyd is the obvious favourite to win that . However if Cotto can connect on Floyd's skinny little chin (don't remember that happening much , well really ever) then he definetly could knock him out .

gatti should never be allowed to fight again because all those wars he has been in must have afected his brain and he now uses the best tactics to lose . His wide leg stance with popping the jab out every two minutes waiting to get the chance to knock Floyd out with a big right . is Gatti retarded or something ? his wide leg stance means his right hand has to travel twice as far as normal taking twice as long.......and he's trying to hit Floyd Maywetaher with it :eek: , Gatti is gone crazy .

Hatton is Corrales and he's not Castillo either he's a naturally bigger man than both and I beleive a better pressure fighter than Castillo . Don't bother pointing out the only reason Floyd was poor against Castillo was because his hand was broken I already know that and beleive the first fight would have been like the second had he not been injured .

I don't think Tszyu is gone quite asmuch as you think , id love for him to carry on for a bit and make somelse the new 'Funky Chicken' (poor old Zab must have nightmares every night )

Cotto is a great fighter and a future all-time great however at the moment I believe Floyd , Hatton and Tszyu all beat him .

Anyone else other than me and akindoc have any opinions on this ? , I think us two will just be going over old ground if only us two continue on like this .
Great debate though , interesting that it didn't take long to turn into Cotto V Hatton instead of the thread title .

akindoc

Big Ears wrote:

It can be viewed how highly I rate him or how lowly you rate him . TBH a mix of both of our opinions is where Hatton is at .

I had never heard about Judah calling him out this thread was the first I heard of it so I can't comment on it anymore .

Cotto and Floyd have matured faster theres no argument against that its a fact . But who knows maybe Hatton needed those extra fights , we can't be the judge of if he was ready to step up earlier . I wouldn't have called Hatton content to fight them but whatever . Id like to see Floyd V Hatton in Madison square Garden in January (Floyd's fighting November and not against Hatton so that would be the earliest the fight could happen) it would make me so happy I would nearly cry .

How do you know it was planned ? , the fans weren't being srewed they were happy to come back again and again by their own choice .

I think Witter's style could give HAtton major problems I agree with that however I assume you have seen Witter's last to fights ?.........he tired half way through both and was very lucky to hang on against Kotelnik .
Even if Witter won all of the first 6 rounds I would fancy him to be KO/TKO'ed by the 8th or the 9th he just fatigue's so badly and Hatton would be in his face relentlessly meaning he might even tire quicker than his last 2 fights .

Im not doubting its true or anything but what proof is there that fighting Witter was in his contract ?

I don't give Cotto that much chance aginst Mayweather because I think Cotto will try to box him and well Floyd is the obvious favourite to win that . However if Cotto can connect on Floyd's skinny little chin (don't remember that happening much , well really ever) then he definetly could knock him out .

gatti should never be allowed to fight again because all those wars he has been in must have afected his brain and he now uses the best tactics to lose . His wide leg stance with popping the jab out every two minutes waiting to get the chance to knock Floyd out with a big right . is Gatti retarded or something ? his wide leg stance means his right hand has to travel twice as far as normal taking twice as long.......and he's trying to hit Floyd Maywetaher with it :eek: , Gatti is gone crazy .

Hatton is Corrales and he's not Castillo either he's a naturally bigger man than both and I beleive a better pressure fighter than Castillo . Don't bother pointing out the only reason Floyd was poor against Castillo was because his hand was broken I already know that and beleive the first fight would have been like the second had he not been injured .

I don't think Tszyu is gone quite asmuch as you think , id love for him to carry on for a bit and make somelse the new 'Funky Chicken' (poor old Zab must have nightmares every night )

Cotto is a great fighter and a future all-time great however at the moment I believe Floyd , Hatton and Tszyu all beat him .

Anyone else other than me and akindoc have any opinions on this ? , I think us two will just be going over old ground if only us two continue on like this .
Great debate though , interesting that it didn't take long to turn into Cotto V Hatton instead of the thread title .

Good posting!

Yes we could go on about this till the cows come home. The only way we'll know who is ultimately right is when these fights happen so lets hope they do!

efb

Guys the Way this is going is a Hatton Witter British "Superfight" and thats what ITV want they're more interesting in Big Domestic matchups that protecting a guys unbeaten record (that wouldn't stand up to much under inspection). ITV want the Benn/Eubank/Watson days back and FW will have to deliver

Roper

efb wrote:

Guys the Way this is going is a Hatton Witter British "Superfight" and thats what ITV want they're more interesting in Big Domestic matchups that protecting a guys unbeaten record (that wouldn't stand up to much under inspection). ITV want the Benn/Eubank/Watson days back and FW will have to deliver

Yeah I've noticed that alright. They don't seem to be showcasing many international match ups. It's a good time for British boxing right now though because the free to air stuff is up and running again. They probably don't want to spoil it by having one of their golden boys beaten too soon. Better to build them up first.

On topic, Hatton vs. Mayweather.
Hatton by decision.

Big Ears

akindoc wrote:

Cotto is the finished artical now IMO. He's ready for any 140 pounder.

After last nights fight I just had to bring this up , Miguel Cotto is definetly not the finnished article .

akindoc

Big Ears wrote:

After last nights fight I just had to bring this up , Miguel Cotto is definetly not the finnished article .

Cotto has fought the best competition of any 140 pounder out there. Take a look at his record on boxrec. HOW IS HE GOING TO IMPROVE HIMSELF AS A FIGHTER NOW? Is he going to completely overhaul his style? NO, he may improve his defence slightly but this is just a ridiculous comment to say he's "not ready" for Mayweather or HATTON? What the hell has hatton done bar beat a 36 year old champ who had 3 round in 2 years and was coming off a big injury. Now Hatton is fighting a man Cotto destroyed in 8 rounds.

GET REAL.

akindoc

N'dou
Bazan
Baily
Maussa
Pinto
Abdullaev
Corley

This is a damn good list of fighters.

Hatton is the LEAST proven of the chyampions. Beating tsyzo doesnt mean he is exempt from critisism and all of a sudden put his resume up there with the other champs.

Fidelista

Ricky Hatton does not have the talent to cope with the pretty boy.He is undeniably a hard worker, but in fights like these the cream alway rises to the top.
I also would have to question his ability to handle the accuracy of floyd's punches. Eamon Magee is hardly a concusive puncher yet he had hatton on the floor and should have finished him. Floyd is very very accurate and because of his speed he can hit and get out before you know what has happened. Hatton's obvious weaknesss is his tendency to cut easily, In imagining this fight i see Hatton bloodied face while floyd cuts his face to ribbons with his jab.
The Champion Hatton is not the Challenger Hatton. He seems to have let the title go to his head, He looks pretty fat and dropping Frank Warren is a big mistake, Why would you get rid of the man who made you rich fighting has beens and never will be's? He also got in ahead of the other promoters to ensure his boy got a crack at the ageing champion, with home advantage. It smacks of egomania ( Rocky V anyone?).
This fight will not happen, but if it did i see the referee stopping it on cuts in favour of floyd around round 10 .

Big Ears

akindoc wrote:

Cotto has fought the best competition of any 140 pounder out there. Take a look at his record on boxrec. HOW IS HE GOING TO IMPROVE HIMSELF AS A FIGHTER NOW? Is he going to completely overhaul his style? NO, he may improve his defence slightly but this is just a ridiculous comment to say he's "not ready" for Mayweather or HATTON? What the hell has hatton done bar beat a 36 year old champ who had 3 round in 2 years and was coming off a big injury. Now Hatton is fighting a man Cotto destroyed in 8 rounds.

GET REAL.

Cotto has faught better opposition as a whole(as ive said) but he has to stop being an idiot and fight the right fight . He could have easily outboxed Torres but instead tryed to prove his macho-nes by slugging it out . When he was caught bad he should have held on rather than winging out hooks leaving himself open . He threw too many hooks close in aswell and should have been throwing straight punches leaving himself less open . Its not even that much of an improvement in defence but its the difference between him getting Ko'ed against a better fighter and possibly beating them .

Tszyu was 35 .(why are people obsessed with calling him 36 ?)

I don't beleive he's ready because right now I beleive he loses to Hatton but in the future (if he cops on) he would beat Hatton (presumably at a higher wait most likely 147) .

'Now Hatton is fighting a man Cotto destroyed in 8 rounds.' I don't see how this adds to any argument about which fighter would beat the other but he's fighting him because he has the WBA title , thats the only reason .

akindoc

Big Ears wrote:

Cotto has faught better opposition as a whole(as ive said) but he has to stop being an idiot and fight the right fight . He could have easily outboxed Torres but instead tryed to prove his macho-nes by slugging it out . When he was caught bad he should have held on rather than winging out hooks leaving himself open . He threw too many hooks close in aswell and should have been throwing straight punches leaving himself less open . Its not even that much of an improvement in defence but its the difference between him getting Ko'ed against a better fighter and possibly beating them .

Tszyu was 35 .(why are people obsessed with calling him 36 ?)

I don't beleive he's ready because right now I beleive he loses to Hatton but in the future (if he cops on) he would beat Hatton (presumably at a higher wait most likely 147) .

'Now Hatton is fighting a man Cotto destroyed in 8 rounds.' I don't see how this adds to any argument about which fighter would beat the other but he's fighting him because he has the WBA title , thats the only reason .

When you say he "isn't ready for Hatton or Mayweather", it makes no sense to me. All that fight at the weekend proved was the Torres can bang with the best of them and that Cotto will walk through hell to beat your a$$ and that his recovery is top class. He will still probably fight in a similar way, maybe use more straight punches, but he's as good as he's going to get NOW. He would probably be a favourite over Hatton in the bookmakers. It's amazing to say he's not ready for Hatton looking at their respective records.

I was very impressed with Cotto for surviving when hurt like that. THAT is a fight he will take a lot away from. It's clear that he wont go down from one punch.

To say he's not ready for Hatton is to say that you are not very adept at judging fighters because Cotto is WORLD CLASS skillwise and amazes me with his combinations, speed and accuracy every time he fights.

walshb

From what I've seen of Hatton, which is more than enough, I see him as a guy with the style and tools to beat any type of fighter put in front of him. He has the stamina, chin, damaging punch, great bodywork....more importantly is his amazing pace and workrate. If somebody is to beat him, they would have to be prepared to fight non stop for 12 rds or be able to box on the retreat non stop for 12rds. I can't see Roger keeping Ricky off him long enough during the fight to beat him. Mayweather would definitely feel Hatton's punches more than the other way round. I don't think Mayweather could KO or TKO Hatton, but Hatton could definitely KO or TKO Mayweather.
Another thing is that Hatton has very good skills, he's more than just an aggressive whirlwind, he is very clever and can adapt very well to each situation....

akindoc

walshb wrote:

From what I've seen of Hatton, which is more than enough, I see him as a guy with the style and tools to beat any type of fighter put in front of him. He has the stamina, chin, damaging punch, great bodywork....more importantly is his amazing pace and workrate. If somebody is to beat him, they would have to be prepared to fight non stop for 12 rds or be able to box on the retreat non stop for 12rds. I can't see Roger keeping Ricky off him long enough during the fight to beat him. Mayweather would definitely feel Hatton's punches more than the other way round. I don't think Mayweather could KO or TKO Hatton, but Hatton could definitely KO or TKO Mayweather.
Another thing is that Hatton has very good skills, he's more than just an aggressive whirlwind, he is very clever and can adapt very well to each situation....

Hatton was almost knocked out by Magee. If Magee had been more assertive and a better finisher, he would have had Hatton out of there in two rounds max.

Mayweather would pick Hatton apart. What's Hatton going to do? OUTBOX HIM? lol. Mayweather could KO or TKO Hatton or anybody else at 140 pounds.

Hatton has never fought a slick fighter. He has avoided Witter like the plague and turned down Corley and Judah. I wonder why? Because he can't beat them.

Big Ears

Hatton suffered a flash knockdown against Magee , he was no where near getting knocked out . Caused by a lapse in concentration , something which Hatton has eradicated .

Are you saying Cotto is in his prime now ? , because I beleive in 4 years time he will be an even better fighter . Cotto showed he had a chin against Torres (I belive Torres is a massive puncher) but Torres is very one dimesional and should have been easily outboxed . If Cotto wants to do it the hard way every time , he's eventually going to pay for it .

On a side note Cotto really needs to move up and soon , its just getting rediculous at how big he is in the ring and I beleive he could be doing himself a lot of harm coming in at a reported 18lbs more than the weight-limit for the fight .

walshb

Well, we'll just have to wait and see...he did TKO the guy that KO'd Judah did he not???...Granted that Kostya was a few yrs past his best, but still extremely tough and talented... Hatton has proved he has a chin and can take a dig, that is undoubtable and this Magee thing means jack ****....all in the past, the fact of the matter is that Magee didn't take him out, end of story. Hatton on his form is a damn tough fight for any fighter thru history. He really does have the style to beat anybody and his relentless workrate and stamina are going to be major factors in any future fight

akindoc

Big Ears wrote:

Hatton suffered a flash knockdown against Magee , he was no where near getting knocked out . Caused by a lapse in concentration , something which Hatton has eradicated .

Are you saying Cotto is in his prime now ? , because I beleive in 4 years time he will be an even better fighter . Cotto showed he had a chin against Torres (I belive Torres is a massive puncher) but Torres is very one dimesional and should have been easily outboxed . If Cotto wants to do it the hard way every time , he's eventually going to pay for it .

On a side note Cotto really needs to move up and soon , its just getting rediculous at how big he is in the ring and I beleive he could be doing himself a lot of harm coming in at a reported 18lbs more than the weight-limit for the fight .

Hatton was hurt by Magee in the first and second rounds and would have been taken out by a concussive puncher like Witter or Judah if he was hit like that.

In 4 years time, Cotto probably won't even be at 140 pounds. We know how good cotto is now and it's certainly good enough to at least be a 50-50 fight with Hatton or Mayweather in many peoples eyes. To say he's not ready is ludicrious. Cotto might want to stay at 140 pounds for a while longer because 147 is too far for him I think.

That's enough beteen you an I on this subject my friend.

akindoc

walshb wrote:

Well, we'll just have to wait and see...he did TKO the guy that KO'd Judah did he not???...Granted that Kostya was a few yrs past his best, but still extremely tough and talented... Hatton has proved he has a chin and can take a dig, that is undoubtable and this Magee thing means jack ****....all in the past, the fact of the matter is that Magee didn't take him out, end of story. Hatton on his form is a damn tough fight for any fighter thru history. He really does have the style to beat anybody and his relentless workrate and stamina are going to be major factors in any future fight

In the second round in particulur against Magee he was really hurt and was lucky that Magee is too lazy a finisher. Of course it matters. I'll reserve judgement on Hatotn until he fights a top fighter. (and that doesn't include a circus clown like Maussa or a 35 year old inactive and injury hit champion). But I doubt we'll see him against a Mayweather/Cotto or Witter.

mikeybngs

ok, Hatton was crap in his first welter fight, but says himself it was a money thing. Whenever Hattons been focused and serious about a fight he has gone in there and proved his doubters wrong. Come december you will see 'The Hitman' at his best and show that Mayweather aint as good as all that. P.S what is all this pound for pound rubbish? The Ring magazine belt is the only belt worth holding, pound for pound is sh*t, how does is work? A good heavy would beat a good middle and so on. Just because a good fighter can move up a couple (well if they start out small enough 3-4) weights what does that prove? No one ever asks if Hagler could of taken Holmes!

mikeybngs

akindoc wrote:

In the second round in particulur against Magee he was really hurt and was lucky that Magee is too lazy a finisher. Of course it matters. I'll reserve judgement on Hatotn until he fights a top fighter. (and that doesn't include a circus clown like Maussa or a 35 year old inactive and injury hit champion). But I doubt we'll see him against a Mayweather/Cotto or Witter.

Witters a joke! Stuggle to get a points with D'Marcus Corley, he's just beggin fights with Hatton! Which he will only get if Hatton suffers a bad loss to Mayweather and even then Witter woundt last long. I would like to say Witters 'past it', but he never had 'it'.

cowzerp

The more i watch mayweather the more i think hatton is going to look like a mug, i know he is not 1 but fans who never seen him before might think this due to mayweather's style-i hope hatton can make a fight out of it but doubt it the more i think about it! maybe then cotto would be an ideal fight for him, this would be a good close fight. lots of opportunitys lie in wait for hatton and mayweather.

Bernard Hopkins

Here !........ I thought hatton was the smaller man , standing up against floyd ???

pbf is bigger isnt he ?.

now dont forget urango, ...hatton looked like a feather-fister.

im neither convinced in either hatton or PBF as much as the rest of the world.

Mosley and Cotto , Mosley way more suited to beating Floyd.
Cotto, way more suited to beating Hatton.

theone

yep your right floyd has a 2 inch height advantage and a 7 inch reach advantage(i think) I think hatton by tko late around the 9th, floyd is good but not god like as some people think he is.

I have a read through the rest of the thread and I can't believe that people think cotto would beat hatton or mayweather now.Maybe he'll be a match for them in a few years but he'll have to beat a top 10 p4p fighter first.

Reading some of those lists I can't believe that cotto is in the top 10 in some of them imo he hasn't beaten anybody of hatton or mayweathers class yet.

cowzerp

cotto is very good and would not look out of place with hatton..

walshb

I think people may be underestimating Hatton's boxing ability and purely focusing on his assests or favorable traits(fitness, pressure and body punching)....His best asset is that he is a very hard man to actually box and keep at bay. He is NOT an easy man to outbox or nail cleanly. Floyd may well be surprised at this. He has a very good chin and always seems to be on TOP of his opponent. Floyd is going to have to be a whole lot better than he was V Oscar to really outbox Ricky and he will have to be prepared to be 100% busy for 36 solid minutes. He starts to clown and lie on ropes and he will find out that Hatton can seriously bang!!!!!...

Neither man IMO has a real physical advantage. Floyd is really a blown up Lightweight and Hatton is a true 10 stone fighter. So as far as strength goes, as in pure physical strength, Hatton I believe has an advantage...

Floyd has the speed and cuteness to possibly outbox Ricky, but does he have the pace required for 36 minutes to do this. He needs both and he also needs to ensure his torso is rock solid. Ricky is without doubt going to make PBF work harder and faster than he has ever done before... I think and hope Ricky does the JOB on PBF!!!!!

theone

cowzerp wrote:

cotto is very good and would not look out of place with hatton..

your reading into what i said i didn't actually say that at all
Cotto hasn't beaten anybody of that class thats not to say he won't when he improves a bit.He has to prove himself a bit first.
If he wins his next fight against mosley that'll go some way to proving it.

It would be a very good fight but the reason why he wouldn't look out of place is more to do with his size that his boxing.
Cotto is a natural welterweight and hatton is a natural light-welterweight cotto is much the bigger man.

The only person he's going to fight at welterweight is mayweather because quickness is more important than size in this case.
Hatton may even have a strength advantage over Mayweather that wouldn't be the case for most other world class welterweights.

Bernard Hopkins

yes, but Hatton looked very small against Urango, and they were the same weight too.

Remember when Hatton fought @ welter against Collazo? hatton couldnt hurt him, and even got wobbled to bits at the end.

theone

I agree urango is a beast of a man thats why he's called the mini mike tyson
I am a bit biased but hatton boxed very well for the first 6 rounds and fell off a good bit he had a cold leading up to the fight and he couldn't train for a few days so that might of hurt his stamina.

Urango looked a very stubborn opponent theres not many if any light welters that could knock him out.

he took the fight with collazo at short notice he was preparing to fight at light welter and had to move up to welterweight at short notice also collazo is the bigger man and he's a southpaw ,hard to look good against a southpaw.That extra weight and size comes into play in the latter rounds,thats probably why you saw him wobble a bit.

Thats why i think he'll win against mayweather i thnik i said it before but it's more about quickness with mayweather and remember that punch that took castillo out of there broke 4 of his ribs and no matter how good floyd is if he lands with that it's game over for floyd.

cowzerp

ricky hatton is not as strong as mayweather-no way, once hatton goes up weight his power is not great-mayweather is a big duse even though he;s gone up the weight classes, he has built weight by adding muscle so has increased strenght alonng the way..

theone

we'll have to agree to disagree so if i believed that then hatton wouldn't have a chance and I think he'll win.

He definitely is not as quick as floyd if he dosen't have the strength advantage then he's stuffed.

Floyd stated out his pro career at 130 and walks around at about 150lb's or
so.He's not a knockout puncher like tszyu but he can still bang.
He can outbox anybody he dosen't need a knockout punch but it would be handy for his fight with hatton.


no prizes for guessing who you think will win

Big Ears

cowzerp wrote:

ricky hatton is not as strong as mayweather-no way, once hatton goes up weight his power is not great-mayweather is a big duse even though he;s gone up the weight classes, he has built weight by adding muscle so has increased strenght alonng the way..

You don't honestly believe that if these two met in the centre of the ring with the intent to drive the other back that it would be Hatton pushed to the ropes do you ?

Floyd's taller , Floyd has a longer reach , Floyd is physically weaker .
Now of course he's gotten stronger at the bigger weight classes but the truth is he started as a Super Feather and I'd be willing to bet all the possessions I own he could still make 140 if he had to .

Floyd has vastly superior handspeed , even though Hatton's handspeed is very underated and it was one of the key issues in his wins over Castillo and Urango .

I'm not convinced Floyd's footspeed is better , well in the traditional sense it may be but he's going to be moving two ways , backward and side ways .
Hatton is going to be moving two ways , forward and side ways .
Now in that sense I'm not convinced Floyd is actually going to be able to get away from Hatton's incredibly(and much more so than his handspeed) underated footspeed and cutting off the ring .

For me this would be Floyd's greatest win , because I think the only opponent that was as stylistically wrong for him was Castillo and for me even a prime Castillo isn't quite the same as Hatton .

Baldomir didn't land that many punches on Floyd , but 8 out of every 10 punches he did were to the body(according to the punch stats I remember) , It's extremely difficult to protect the body no matter who you are , only the real defensive genius(Pernell Whittaker) could do it and I call him the real defensive genius because he avoided getting him while coming forward which is much more challenging .

This fight is 50/50 and don't let anyone fool you into thinking either Mayweather is unbeatable or that this is going to be like Mayweather-Gatti .

cowzerp

Big Ears wrote:

You don't honestly believe that if these two met in the centre of the ring with the intent to drive the other back that it would be Hatton pushed to the ropes do you ?

Yes i do believe that-but hatton is the forward pushing styled fighter so why would mayweather bother giving him his type of fight-he'll just do an ali and dance! mayweather is pure muscle so his weight is all good as far as power goes-hatton gains fat when he moves up, im a ricky fan but mayweather is probably the most talented boxer since sugar ray leonard-maybe it will be like the 1st leonard duran fight but i'd guess it will be more like the 2nd.

Big Ears

cowzerp wrote:

Yes i do believe that-but hatton is the forward pushing styled fighter so why would mayweather bother giving him his type of fight-he'll just do an ali and dance! mayweather is pure muscle so his weight is all good as far as power goes-hatton gains fat when he moves up, im a ricky fan but mayweather is probably the most talented boxer since sugar ray leonard-maybe it will be like the 1st leonard duran fight but i'd guess it will be more like the 2nd.

Well I think we'll have to disagree on that but anyway , it's interesting you mention Ali as a lot of comparisons can be drawn to Ali v Frazier , two unbeaten fighters(in the first fight anyway) one the boxer the other the swarmer . Frazier wasn't as good as Ali but had a great style to trouble him , and even though he lost twice he still won that first fight .

Hatton was meant to fight Juan Lazcano after Maussa , Lazcano broke his hand and with 6 weeks to go they settled on Collazo , that gave Hatton 6 weeks to get to grip with a slick taller fighter who was a southpaw and to adjust to Welterweight........of course he looked like **** .
Hatton admitted himself instead of adding the weight properly he just didn't trim all the fat , which ended up possibly being a good thing as it allowed Hatton to get back down to Light-Welterweight easy in his next two fights having not bulked up(as they were intending for that fight) .

Hatton and his camp has said he will come in at Light-Welterweight , now he may actually weigh 144 or whatever when he's on those scales but that will probably be water/food he has eaten that day before the weigh where fighters normally have to weight till after to replenish their bodies nutrients .

I don't think Mayweather is the most talented since Leonard , I think guys like Whitaker , DLH , Mosley in their primes were the most talented since Leonard and even now I think Mosley might have what it takes to beat Mayweather .

I think of Mayweather as more like Roy Jones Jnr than most other technical boxers around in that I feel he is over reliant on his speed and reflexes and once they go , if he's still fighting he'll suffer a similar fate to Jones .


Floyd's done nothing since Lightweight to leave me in awe and I while I agree he is elite and a top top boxer , he's just on the same level as the other top fighters around at the moment . He's no Whitaker , he's no Leonard and he's certainly no Robinson .