Waterford CC Boundary extension proposal

daithi

For those of you living in a cave or not from kilkenny, waterford county council have proposed extending the county boundary into kilkenny, taking 5000 people, and up to 20 townslands.

The words Land Grabbing ******** comes to mind.
More here: http://www.waterfordcity.ie/notices.htm
This weeks (Week ending july 29th 05) Kilkenny people has good coverage of it.

Anyway, those wishing to oppose please make your complaints to:

Paddy Power
Director of Services
Housing and Corporate Affairs
City Hall
The Mall
Waterford
To be received not later than 4.00 p.m. on 26th September, 2005.
Let them know what you think is a good start.
Letting Environment minister Dick Roche know what you think, might not go astray either, similarly, local politicians, etc, but im sure they will most likely all be against it (in KK anyway).
Dick Roche is the man in charge of such affars, in the government.

I dont have the words to describe how i feel about this proposal unbelieveable.......

Norinoco

What the hell - this is the first I have heard of it. :eek:

Just after looking at the map and they are taking a mighty chunk of land, way more then they need to extend the city. why cant the keep heading south like they have always done.

This is completly ridiculous.

Good to see Councillor Dick Dowling putting the foot down. Its all about the control of Waterford port and of course MONEY!

daithi

Waterford City forum have been having a rant about this, since there is an obvious conflict in interest, i started a thread here. This is their thread: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=281649

Norinoco

Yeah, spotted that.

Posted there as well giving out! I chucked in your link from your first post.

Hope you dont mind

N.

(P.S. Nice new Avatar! )

Edit: Just looking at the waterford forum - may have displeased a few people with my comment!

daithi

Time for the people of kilkenny to demonstrate their patriotism
People from the deise might do well to read this:http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=patriotism
Yeah, shiny new avatar

mike65

Guys play nice, I may be in Waterford but my powers already extend across the river!

I suspect the area of land proposed will be reduced as a sop to KCC (maybe thats why its so big to start with).

Mike.

daithi

yes, it could be a cunning plan such as that alright.but i think its most likely a bold move to be in control of everything inside the bypass, hence my reason to jump on the greed bandwagon,
And a fun bandwagon it is too might i add.
I can see waterford being tarred as landgrabbers for the next couple of hundred years if this goes through.

The way i put this into perspective is that I imaging other counties doing the same, and see how i would feel.
For example Carlow town deciding to grab a lump of laois as the town is split between them. Does not seem fair, unless of course there is some give and take, and laois were offered something in exchange.

The loss of such a massive area of Kilkenny would be a cultural and financial blow to the county, it would result in bad blood between waterford and kilkenny, which at the moment, waterford only really care about.
Kilkenny dont give care much for waterford from my experience, they are more concerned with rivalry with old hurling adversaries, And that is realtively friendly.
The hostility of this move by waterford County Council is unbelieveable.

Flukey

Grow up guys. It is a minor administrative adjustment, that makes a lot of sense. I am sure you all have more important things to worry about.

Dac51

daithi wrote:

For those of you living in a cave or not from kilkenny, waterford county council have proposed extending the county boundary into kilkenny, taking 5000 people, and up to 20 townslands.

Actually it's Waterford City Council who are making the proposal. Just thought I'd clear that up.

daithi

Well spotted

kilkennycat2004

Flukey wrote:

Grow up guys. It is a minor administrative adjustment, that makes a lot of sense. I am sure you all have more important things to worry about.

Might be minor if your from Dublin but I can see this unjustified land grabbing exercise being fought tooth & nail.
As the KP said last week, "not an inch".
Pity Liam Aylward is in Europe nowadays but hopefully he will take a major role in all this as he did previously.

Stephen

Anyone see the article in the Irish independent about this today? The Kilkenny councillors came off looking like a bunch of twats, as they kept comparing Waterford City Council's actions to those of Nazi Germany.
Someone should tell them about Godwin's Law

daithi

kk people featured this also. A bit of a step to far i think, these kind of headlines do nothing to help the situation, however if you do read the full article on the front page of the kk people, it does raise some good points.

Our man in Havana

Linkage anyone?

odie

Here is another map of the boundary extension.

The Langrabbers Map

daithi

The size of the extension proposal is approx 20 square kilometres but according to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waterford Waterford city is 41.58km² in size currently.
I presume this is the administrative area, and not the actual size of the current urban (built up) area, which would be a bit less.

Our man in Havana

When are the blas getting that sign changed:

Waterford twinned with Rochester New York, St johns Newfoundland, Saint-Herblain, France and BERLIN, Germany!

daithi

You should really ask that in the waterford city forum id say.
http://www.waterfordcity.ie/city/twinned.htm

odie

Bond-007 wrote:

When are the blas getting that sign changed:

Waterford twinned with Rochester New York, St johns Newfoundland, Saint-Herblain, France and BERLIN, Germany!

To be honest that is not twinned.....but quintuplets to be exact....

Our man in Havana

Waterford the Bigamist!

Freddie59

daithi wrote:

yes, it could be a cunning plan such as that alright.but i think its most likely a bold move to be in control of everything inside the bypass, hence my reason to jump on the greed bandwagon,
And a fun bandwagon it is too might i add.
I can see waterford being tarred as landgrabbers for the next couple of hundred years if this goes through.

The way i put this into perspective is that I imaging other counties doing the same, and see how i would feel.
For example Carlow town deciding to grab a lump of laois as the town is split between them. Does not seem fair, unless of course there is some give and take, and laois were offered something in exchange.

The loss of such a massive area of Kilkenny would be a cultural and financial blow to the county, it would result in bad blood between waterford and kilkenny, which at the moment, waterford only really care about.
Kilkenny dont give care much for waterford from my experience, they are more concerned with rivalry with old hurling adversaries, And that is realtively friendly.
The hostility of this move by waterford County Council is unbelieveable.

Yawn. BOOOOORING!!. Give it a rest will ya! And it's Waterford CITY council (and that's an actual City BTW, not a wannabee like KK Town!!). And is hurling the only productive counter-argument you can come up with? :eek:

Freddie59

daithi wrote:

Waterford City forum have been having a rant about this, since there is an obvious conflict in interest, i started a thread here. This is their thread: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=281649

And you weren't ranting in that thread??!! :rolleyes:

kano476

I was in favour of this being from the good side of the bridge, but feck sake that is a big chunk of land. I don't think they need that much and i doubt they wll get that much. They don't need slieverue - a border south of that would be fine although its important to get bellview as it is pretty much waterford's port.

But sure look what are kilkenny coco doing with the area development wise? sweet f*ck all.

Freddie59

kano476 wrote:

I was in favour of this being from the good side of the bridge, but feck sake that is a big chunk of land. I don't think they need that much and i doubt they wll get that much. They don't need slieverue - a border south of that would be fine although its important to get bellview as it is pretty much waterford's port.

But sure look what are kilkenny coco doing with the area development wise? sweet f*ck all.

A very valid comment. Personally - being from Waterford City - I couldn't care less whether or not the extension goes ahead. It will make no difference to us. What I do have a problem with is the constant castigation of this City by some yokels who depend on it 100% for their living, education, and health needs.

And when I hear them throwing hurling into every argument I have to laugh. Not being a GAA supporter I cannot understand this. Being good at banging a ball around with two sticks doesn't put food on the table or improve your quality of life.

There was a recent petition delivered to City Hall in Waterford by what can only be described as the Beverly Hillbillys. One of them was even going on about wearing a black and amber knickers - a very valuable contribution to the debate.:rolleyes:

Stephen

The argument of people living in Kilkenny and depending on waterford holds no water. Look at the likes of Dublin. Thousands of people work in Dublin all day but commute from the surrounding counties. Plenty of Waterford-dwellers work in Kilkenny too you know.

Freddie59

Stephen wrote:

The argument of people living in Kilkenny and depending on waterford holds no water. Look at the likes of Dublin. Thousands of people work in Dublin all day but commute from the surrounding counties. Plenty of Waterford-dwellers work in Kilkenny too you know.

Not the same argument. There isn't the sme animosity practiced against Dublin by their neighbours as there is against Waterford by Kilkenny. Yeah there are a few working in Kilkenny. I saw the three of them heading over the Bridge the other morning.:eek:

Cabaal

Freddie59 wrote:

Yeah there are a few working in Kilkenny. I saw the three of them heading over the Bridge the other morning.:eek:

Speaking from experience, there's alot more Anti-Kilkenny sentiment in Waterford then their is Anti-Waterford sentiment in Kilkenny.

Freddie59, your comment above is the perfect example and I can see your helping this trend out.... :rolleyes:

People in Kilkenny don't give a crap of people from Carlow etc come down and work in Kilkenny, but yet alot of Waterford people seem to have a massive chip on their shoulders when Kilkenny people work in Waterford, personally I see no reason for this as in the end the employer will choose who's best at the job.

angry_fox

A lot people from new ross/wexford work in Waterford as well for feck sake and who really cares if people are from Kilkenny, Wexford, Nigeria as long as they do a good job.

Kilkenny cc don’t care about us down in the south, they have done feck all to develop the area...
.

Freddie59

angry_fox wrote:

A lot people from new ross/wexford work in Waterford as well for feck sake and who really cares if people are from Kilkenny, Wexford, Nigeria as long as they do a good job.

Kilkenny cc don’t care about us down in the south, they have done feck all to develop the area...
.

so you're in favour of the extension then?

trishw78

Hey guys I thought there was an announcement on the radio awhile ago that the oreachtas told Waterford City Council to forget the idea and stop wasting taxpayers money on something that so many people were opposed too

Freddie59

trishw78 wrote:

Hey guys I thought there was an announcement on the radio awhile ago that the oreachtas told Waterford City Council to forget the idea and stop wasting taxpayers money on something that so many people were opposed too

It's gonna happen....ya can't stop it........only delay it!!!:rolleyes:

Our man in Havana

The Minister can stop it.

Freddie59

Bond-007 wrote:

The Minister can stop it.

It's only a matter of time anyway. Get over it!!:D :v:

Our man in Havana

Freddie59 wrote:

It's only a matter of time anyway. Get over it!!:D :v:

It won't. There will be civil disobiedience. The KK ppl will block the bridge. They will bring blaa land to its knees.

Freddie59

Bond-007 wrote:

The KK ppl will block the bridge.

But they'll eventually die of starvation. No work - no income!;)

googie

Cabaal wrote:

Speaking from experience, there's alot more Anti-Kilkenny sentiment in Waterford then their is Anti-Waterford sentiment in Kilkenny.

Freddie59, your comment above is the perfect example and I can see your helping this trend out.... :rolleyes:

People in Kilkenny don't give a crap of people from Carlow etc come down and work in Kilkenny, but yet alot of Waterford people seem to have a massive chip on their shoulders when Kilkenny people work in Waterford, personally I see no reason for this as in the end the employer will choose who's best at the job.

Strange, they dont seem to have the same problem with Kilkenny people shopping in Waterford. It would have a huge impact on businesses in Waterford if the custom from Kilkenny people was no longer there

Freddie59

googie wrote:

Strange, they dont seem to have the same problem with Kilkenny people shopping in Waterford. It would have a huge impact on businesses in Waterford if the custom from Kilkenny people was no longer there

Oh - yes! You're probably right there. All 50,000+ of us who live in the City couldn't survive without the couple of thousand of you over there. Yeah we'd starve alright if you boycotted us.......NOTTTTTTTTTTTTTT!!!:D

Jesper

When are all the Waterford people going to stop their whinning over the fact that the Shi**y IT doesn't produce students to the grade acceptable for the FOREIGN NATIONAL COMPANIES who hire in Waterford. They don't much care about locations and will hire the best applicant. Since Blaa's aren't available anywhere else most Waterford People go to WIT and fall short in the long run. Little did you know Blaa's were actually going to be you're downfall. O the irony.
So stop being muppetts and giving out about "Bridge crossers" when you don't have the quality to fill jobs in you're own town.

Freddie59

Jesper wrote:

When are all the Waterford people going to stop their whinning over the fact that the Shi**y IT doesn't produce students to the grade acceptable for the FOREIGN NATIONAL COMPANIES who hire in Waterford. They don't much care about locations and will hire the best applicant. Since Blaa's aren't available anywhere else most Waterford People go to WIT and fall short in the long run. Little did you know Blaa's were actually going to be you're downfall. O the irony.
So stop being muppetts and giving out about "Bridge crossers" when you don't have the quality to fill jobs in you're own town.

Amazing then, if you have such a pool of knowledge that the aformentioned foreign companies choose to LOCATE IN WATERFORD CITY!!! Sure the drones have to come from somewhere - may as well be Transylv......sorry.....Kilkenny!!!!D

Freddie59

Freddie59 wrote:

Not the same argument. There isn't the sme animosity practiced against Dublin by their neighbours as there is against Waterford by Kilkenny. Yeah there are a few working in Kilkenny. I saw the three of them heading over the Bridge the other morning.:eek:

Sorry - cancel that. It was only the City Planner, the Mayor, and someone else heading over......:D

Cabaal

Freddie59 wrote:

Amazing then, if you have such a pool of knowledge that the aformentioned foreign companies choose to LOCATE IN WATERFORD CITY!!! Sure the drones have to come from somewhere - may as well be Transylv......sorry.....Kilkenny!!!!D

Wow I'm so amazed with your posts Freddie, with all your smart comments you still have not replied to my post which is now over 1 month old.
Sure I guess your just a bitter person eh?
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=3512026&postcount=27

I'm also amazed that for somebody *apparently* from waterford, you post more in this forum then the Waterford forum...what gives?

mike65

Freddie59, stop trolling. You are on a warning, one more post of zero value designed to annoy and you're out of Kilkenny, Waterford and South-East forums.

Mike.

Freddie59

Cabaal wrote:

Wow I'm so amazed with your posts Freddie, with all your smart comments you still have not replied to my post which is now over 1 month old.
Sure I guess your just a bitter person eh?
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=3512026&postcount=27

I'm also amazed that for somebody *apparently* from waterford, you post more in this forum then the Waterford forum...what gives?

Emmmmm............seeing as you're a moderator I would refer you to page 2 of this post where I indirectly replied. If you bother reading it you will see.:rolleyes: Reason I'm over here is that some dude was giving Waterford a hard time over on the Waterford Forum. I did argue at length with him on that, but he did a runner over here, and I will (and make no apologies for it) continue to defend Waterford in ANY forum. Have you a problem with this? Is it not a free forum??

Freddie59

mike65 wrote:

Freddie59, stop trolling. You are on a warning, one more post of zero value designed to annoy and you're out of Kilkenny, Waterford and South-East forums.

Mike.

I can't understand why? What is 'trolling'? And - don't take offence at this - I have read many anti-Waterford posts where the ritual hurling, etc, arguments are trotted out in an attempt to 'annoy' the Waterford side.

For example from Jesper earlier in this post:

Jesper wrote:

When are all the Waterford people going to stop their whinning over the fact that the Shi**y IT doesn't produce students to the grade acceptable for the FOREIGN NATIONAL COMPANIES who hire in Waterford. They don't much care about locations and will hire the best applicant. Since Blaa's aren't available anywhere else most Waterford People go to WIT and fall short in the long run. Little did you know Blaa's were actually going to be you're downfall. O the irony.
So stop being muppetts and giving out about "Bridge crossers" when you don't have the quality to fill jobs in you're own town.

Can we not reply in kind? And I presume Jesper will also receive a warning?

Cabaal

Freddie59 wrote:

Emmmmm............seeing as you're a moderator I would refer you to page 2 of this post where I indirectly replied. If you bother reading it you will see.:rolleyes:

I'm a mod for VoIP & Windows, I'm not a mod for South East so its not like I go through every single thread in this forum.

Freddie59 wrote:

I can't understand why? What is 'trolling'?

May I suggest you take a look at wikipedia - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Troll

Its helpful if you don't understand things

Freddie59

Cabaal wrote:

I'm a mod for VoIP & Windows, I'm not a mod for South East so its not like I go through every single thread in this forum.

Yes -but you accused me of not replying to your post. I was merely pointing out your error.:eek:

Freddie59

Cabaal wrote:

May I suggest you take a look at wikipedia - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Troll
Its helpful if you don't understand things

Only in Cyberspace would you get something like this! So - if I 'inflame' someone (by my point of view) I am 'trolling'??!! In real life this would be considered a heated debate. Just as well the same rules don't apply on Questions and Answers. If anyone saw the programme regarding travellers last week they would understand what I mean.

I apologise if anyone has taken offence.........but at the same time would urge everyone to lighten up. You've got to take it as well as give it. That's life.:D

Stephen

Think about it...

What would you expect to happen if you went onto a star trek forum and posted something along the lines of "star trek is a load of sh1t, and you all suck for liking it".
You'd be banned pretty fast.

Cabaal

Stephen wrote:

Think about it...

What would you expect to happen if you went onto a star trek forum and posted something along the lines of "star trek is a load of sh1t, and you all suck for liking it".
You'd be banned pretty fast.

Also lets use a real life example (non-cyberspace :v:)
You don't go into a football club shouting about how much you dislike football and think rugby is better...in fairness its only looking for trouble

Freddie59 wrote:

Yes -but you accused me of not replying to your post. I was merely pointing out your error.:eek:

Your indirect reply is not totally clear so forgive me for not realising you replied to my post,
Your indirect reply (http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=50423716&postcount=37) to googie's post (http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=50414363&postcount=36) where googie replied to my post. :v:

Freddie59

Stephen wrote:

Think about it...

What would you expect to happen if you went onto a star trek forum and posted something along the lines of "star trek is a load of sh1t, and you all suck for liking it".
You'd be banned pretty fast.

Right - point taken. This is my last word on the issue. My reason for castigating Kilkenny was initiated by the original poster - Daithi. This is a line from his post (page 1):

The words Land Grabbing ******** comes to mind

I would presume that this is indicative of what Mike65 terms "post of zero value designed to annoy" Mike - we Irish are a nation of debaters.....soemtimes we don't like what others say and that is what makes it fun. I would respectfully suggest that in future the rules be relaxed in order to allow greater freedom of discussion and expression.

Daithi has, as you call it, 'trolled' between both Waterford and Kilkenny forums, castigating Waterford in the process. I am merely exercising my right to reply.

If we're going to have rules then so be it.....but apply them fairly and across the board(s!). Otherwise leave well enough alone.:)

Stephen

Well, I don't read the waterford forum so have no idea about anyone trolling it, but surely if he's doing that you can just complain to the moderator of that forum as well?