4 times this morning

Tackle

[Jul 26 12:01:25] : Hand Start.
[Jul 26 12:01:25] : Seat 1 : stebaird has $55.38
[Jul 26 12:01:25] : Seat 2 : rod has $5.70
[Jul 26 12:01:25] : Seat 3 : Jcoughlan has $5
[Jul 26 12:01:25] : Seat 4 : Tacklef has $44.44
[Jul 26 12:01:25] : Seat 6 : Widing has $16.13
[Jul 26 12:01:25] : Tacklef is the dealer.
[Jul 26 12:01:25] : Widing posted small blind.
[Jul 26 12:01:26] : stebaird posted big blind.
[Jul 26 12:01:30] : Jcoughlan posted big blind.
[Jul 26 12:01:30] : Game [49516] started with 5 players.
[Jul 26 12:01:30] : Dealing Hole Cards.
[Jul 26 12:01:30] : Seat 4 : Tacklef has Kh 9h
[Jul 26 12:01:32] : rod called $0.20
[Jul 26 12:01:35] : Jcoughlan checked.
[Jul 26 12:01:37] : Tacklef called $0.20
[Jul 26 12:01:39] : Widing called $0.10
[Jul 26 12:01:39] : stebaird folded.
[Jul 26 12:01:40] : Dealing flop.
[Jul 26 12:01:40] : Board cards [7h 6c 9d]
[Jul 26 12:01:43] : Widing checked.
[Jul 26 12:01:43] : rod checked.
[Jul 26 12:01:46] : Jcoughlan bet $0.20
[Jul 26 12:01:49] : Tacklef called $0.20 and raised $0.40
[Jul 26 12:01:50] : Widing called $0.60
[Jul 26 12:01:52] : rod folded.
[Jul 26 12:01:55] : Jcoughlan called $0.40
[Jul 26 12:01:56] : Dealing turn.
[Jul 26 12:01:56] : Board cards [7h 6c 9d Ks]
[Jul 26 12:01:57] : Widing checked.
[Jul 26 12:01:58] : Jcoughlan checked.
[Jul 26 12:02:00] : Tacklef bet $1
[Jul 26 12:02:02] : Widing folded.
[Jul 26 12:02:09] : Jcoughlan called $1 and raised $3.20 and is All-in
[Jul 26 12:02:23] : Tacklef : hmm
[Jul 26 12:02:25] : It's your turn.
[Jul 26 12:02:25] : Tacklef has 10 seconds to respond.
[Jul 26 12:02:26] : Tacklef called $3.20
[Jul 26 12:02:27] : Showdown!
[Jul 26 12:02:27] : Seat 4 : Tacklef has Kh 9h
[Jul 26 12:02:29] : Seat 3 : Jcoughlan has Jd 7s
[Jul 26 12:02:29] : Seat 4 : Tacklef has Kh 9h
[Jul 26 12:02:34] : Board cards [7h 6c 9d Ks 7d]
[Jul 26 12:02:34] : Seat 3 : Jcoughlan has Jd 7s
[Jul 26 12:02:34] : Jcoughlan has 3 of a Kind: 7s
[Jul 26 12:02:34] : Seat 4 : Tacklef has Kh 9h
[Jul 26 12:02:34] : Tacklef has Two Pair: Kings and 9s
[Jul 26 12:02:34] : Jcoughlan wins $10.64 with 3 of a Kind: 7s
[Jul 26 12:02:44] : Hand is over.

That's the fourth time I've seen this, this morning. A complete retard drawing to 3 outs on the river hits it. Two of those times I was on the recieving end. What's the odds of a 3 outer on the river, about 15-1?

Not to mind the amount of times I've seen rivered full houses beating straights and flushes which should be a 4-1 occurance but seems to me to be 1 - 1.

It doesn't seem to happen as much on the higher levels, but that seems to me to be because they know how to fold. Perhaps they'd be better off not folding, from what I've seen. I really do have doubts, as these are the guys who should be going broke in 5 minutes yet they seem to keep getting the cards to keep them in the game. Of course, a big unregulated corporation wouldn't be involved in any sort of behind the scenes manipulation to increase profits, so that can't be it.

Have to get myself a credit card and try a few other sites, I've seen way too many miracles on PPP.

karlh

aw, you had me all excited....

Davey Devil

Tackle wrote:

Have to get myself a credit card and try a few other sites, I've seen way too many miracles on PPP.

It's rigged, Rory said so. :rolleyes:

This is getting really old.

califano

congratulations that Jcoughlan only hasd $5 going into that hand.

careca

It doesn't seem to happen as much on the higher levels, but that seems to me to be because they know how to fold. .[/QUOTE]


I'm afraid it happens at all levels. I was playing 1/2 for a while and you see it there also. Fellows calling 4/5 X bb raises preflop with 64o and hitting a four and staying for all bets. I know you'll make money on these players in the long run but its still a pain when they suck out on you. I really do think its the fact that they are muppets rather than any site you're playing on.

mewso

Isn't that a 2 outer he hit or am I missing something. Course that makes it worse
Reminds me of the time a guy hit a King on the river in an omaha game to get a better house than his opponent. His opponent wasn't 2 happy and said "you hit your 3 outer". I gleefully said "Actually it was a 1 outer, I had pocket Kings". "Even better", he said.

NickyOD

This hand cost you $5. 5 ****ing $$$!! That's it???? What's that? 15% of a buy in for this level? God help you when you lose 4 buy ins in an hour.

roryc

STOP PLAYING PPP !!!!

its not real poker........
odds dont count in PPP. go in when you are behind, you win more often. I tried it and cleaned up!

Try another site if you actually want the best hand to win. PokerStars seem to have read the rules of poker. Actually won with aces there yesterday.........

Culchie

roryc wrote:

STOP PLAYING PPP !!!!

its not real poker........
odds dont count in PPP. go in when you are behind, you win more often. I tried it and cleaned up!

Why stop playing there then ?

roryc

cos im just waiting for the first PPP related death!

POLICEMAN 1 : Yes it seems as if he jumped out the window there

POLICEMAN 2 : Looks as if he was playing some online poker on the computer

POLICEMAN 1 : (looks at chatbox) look what is says here "AGGGGHHHHHH !!! You only had 1 fcukin card to hit u jammy fcukin bastard!!! What the fcuk!! AAAGGGHHH!! Cant take this sh it anymore......"

POLICEMAN 2 : ahhh that explains it....

DapperGent

Fúcking retards.

Also: Grab your hand history and show me the other three times.

NickyOD

roryc wrote:

Try another site if you actually want the best hand to win. PokerStars seem to have read the rules of poker. Actually won with aces there yesterday.........

Did you miss this thread?

bohsman

You should try VC poker insead, that definitely isnt rigged

Tackle

NickyOD wrote:

This hand cost you $5. 5 ****ing $$$!! That's it???? What's that? 15% of a buy in for this level? God help you when you lose 4 buy ins in an hour.

Heheh, I've lost some buyins fairly rapidly at higher levels, I'm not complaining about losing $5
My point isn't how much it cost (although it could cost you alot), it's about how often this is happening. Which is way too often.

DapperGent wrote:

Also: Grab your hand history and show me the other three times

I grabbed this one because I logged off straight after it. I'm afraid it's too tedious to search through 100's of hands for 3 bad beats when I can't remember the specifics. I normally make a note of hand if I'm going to search for it later.

roryc wrote:

POLICEMAN 1 : Yes it seems as if he jumped out the window there

POLICEMAN 2 : Looks as if he was playing some online poker on the computer

POLICEMAN 1 : (looks at chatbox) look what is says here "AGGGGHHHHHH !!! You only had 1 fcukin card to hit u jammy fcukin bastard!!! What the fcuk!! AAAGGGHHH!! Cant take this sh it anymore......"

POLICEMAN 2 : ahhh that explains it....

Don't get me started on aces. And as someone else pointed out, I it was actually a 2 outer in this case. I suppose that's the only way you can keep making rake off the sub-retard players, throw them a few miracles and keep them sweet.
I'll give Pokerstars a go as soon as I get the credit card.

Davey Devil

Yeah Poker Stars is great. The best hand preflop always stands up. Enjoy your stay.

Tackle

Wow, are you sure? What a great site.

Tackle

From just now, an idiot heading for cleanout central, he played it alright but this is what I'm talking about the occurance of rivered full houses when someone has a straight or flush. If you have a straight or flush on a paired board it is 50-50 at least that someone has you beat.

[Jul 26 18:23:53] : Hand Start.
[Jul 26 18:23:53] : Seat 1 : Vindy has $8.75
[Jul 26 18:23:53] : Seat 2 : Tacklef has $44.49
[Jul 26 18:23:53] : Seat 3 : header has $36.53
[Jul 26 18:23:53] : Seat 4 : jon1972 has $22.02
[Jul 26 18:23:53] : Seat 5 : grove0051 has $37.60
[Jul 26 18:23:53] : Seat 6 : Chertsey has $23.36
[Jul 26 18:23:53] : jon1972 is the dealer.
[Jul 26 18:23:53] : grove0051 posted small blind.
[Jul 26 18:23:55] : Chertsey refused to post big blind.
[Jul 26 18:23:55] : Vindy posted big blind.
[Jul 26 18:23:55] : Game [57518] started with 5 players.
[Jul 26 18:23:55] : Dealing Hole Cards.
[Jul 26 18:23:55] : Seat 2 : Tacklef has Td Qd
[Jul 26 18:23:58] : Tacklef called $0.20
[Jul 26 18:24:00] : header called $0.20
[Jul 26 18:24:00] : jon1972 called $0.20
[Jul 26 18:24:01] : grove0051 called $0.10
[Jul 26 18:24:01] : Vindy checked.
[Jul 26 18:24:01] : Dealing flop.
[Jul 26 18:24:01] : Board cards [As Jh 2s]
[Jul 26 18:24:07] : grove0051 checked.
[Jul 26 18:24:11] : Vindy checked.
[Jul 26 18:24:13] : Tacklef checked.
[Jul 26 18:24:15] : header checked.
[Jul 26 18:24:15] : jon1972 checked.
[Jul 26 18:24:16] : Dealing turn.
[Jul 26 18:24:16] : Board cards [As Jh 2s Kh]
[Jul 26 18:24:18] : grove0051 checked.
[Jul 26 18:24:18] : Vindy checked.
[Jul 26 18:24:26] : Tacklef bet $0.80
[Jul 26 18:24:27] : header folded.
[Jul 26 18:24:29] : jon1972 called $0.80
[Jul 26 18:24:30] : grove0051 called $0.80
[Jul 26 18:24:30] : Vindy folded.
[Jul 26 18:24:30] : Dealing river.
[Jul 26 18:24:30] : Board cards [As Jh 2s Kh Kd]
[Jul 26 18:24:33] : grove0051 checked.
[Jul 26 18:24:39] : Tacklef bet $1
[Jul 26 18:24:45] : jon1972 called $1 and raised $2
[Jul 26 18:24:46] : grove0051 folded.
[Jul 26 18:25:01] : It's your turn.
[Jul 26 18:25:01] : Tacklef has 10 seconds to respond.
[Jul 26 18:25:06] : Tacklef called $2
[Jul 26 18:25:06] : Showdown!
[Jul 26 18:25:06] : Seat 2 : Tacklef has Td Qd
[Jul 26 18:25:08] : Seat 4 : jon1972 has Ks 2h
[Jul 26 18:25:08] : jon1972 has Full House : Kings full of 2s
[Jul 26 18:25:09] : jon1972 wins $8.93 with Full House : Kings full of 2s
[Jul 26 18:25:18] : Hand is over.


I won't mention the runner runner flush that beat me in the following hand with some idiot calling off his cash with 96o.

Hectorjelly

Tackle wrote:

From just now, an idiot heading for cleanout central, he played it alright but this is what I'm talking about the occurance of rivered full houses when someone has a straight or flush. If you have a straight or flush on a paired board it is 50-5

You were ahead for 1 street, then called a reraise on a paired board. Hardly the beat of the centuary.

Tackle

I'm saying if there's a you have a flush or a straight, the rivered full house seems to be a 1-1 occurance rather than a 4-1.
Anyway, I'm finished complaining about this. I'm sure everyone's sick of hearing about it, it just really left me shaking my head this morning..

gdez

VC & PPP are the same thing. It's the exact same pool of players.

NickyOD

Tackle wrote:

I'm saying if there's a you have a flush or a straight, the rivered full house seems to be a 1-1 occurance rather than a 4-1.
Anyway, I'm finished complaining about this. I'm sure everyone's sick of hearing about it, it just really left me shaking my head this morning..

Please stop. Everyone has bad beats every hour that they sit at a poker table. I don't mind reading a bad beat if its in some way interesting but these are really nothing to post about.

Now backdoor Quads to crack flopped trips. Thats nice!!

***** Hand History for Game 2427363961 *****
$100 NL Texas Hold'em - Tuesday, July 26, 14:26:41 EDT 2005
Table Table 36850 (6 max) (Real Money)
Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 2: EnderW4785 ( $178.12 )
Seat 3: sarahlb ( $150.35 )
Seat 6: TheSqueeze79 ( $104.30 )
Seat 5: fisak ( $79.05 )
Seat 1: sawbo111 ( $97 )
Seat 4: diamondb333 ( $20 )
sarahlb posts small blind [$0.50].
diamondb333 posts big blind [$1].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to TheSqueeze79 [ 3d 3c ]
fisak calls [$1].
TheSqueeze79 calls [$1].
>You have options at Table 36825 (6 max) Table!.
sawbo111 folds.
EnderW4785 folds.
sarahlb raises [$2.50].
diamondb333 folds.
fisak calls [$2].
TheSqueeze79 calls [$2].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 8h, 8d, Js ]
sarahlb checks.
fisak checks.
TheSqueeze79 checks.
** Dealing Turn ** [ 3h ]
sarahlb bets [$3].
fisak calls [$3].
TheSqueeze79 calls [$3].
** Dealing River ** [ 3s ]
sarahlb checks.
>You have options at Table 55021 (6 max) (No DP) Table!.
fisak bets [$15].
>You have options at Table 36825 (6 max) Table!.
TheSqueeze79 raises [$80].
sarahlb folds.
fisak is all-In.
TheSqueeze79 shows [ 3d, 3c ] four of a kind, threes.
fisak shows [ 8c, Ks ] a full house, Eights full of threes.
TheSqueeze79 wins $6.95 from side pot #1 with four of a kind, threes.
TheSqueeze79 wins $163.10 from the main pot with four of a kind, threes.
nh

Tackle

Doesn't get any worse that.
981-1 on the flop I think, isn't it?

The worst beat cash wise I had was AA allin vs QQ on the flop and he rivered a Q to clean me out of $100. The knock on effect of it cost me at least another $100 though.
Don't know how I'd cope with losing a good sum to the kind of beat in your post.

roryc

yeh the worst beats are more interesting but it doesnt mean they annoy u the worst. While ive been reading this I've just seen $150 dollars turn into $0 in the space of about 10 hands.

Aces beaten by 88 on the river
Flush beaten by higher flush
straight beaten by flush on the river
Kings beaten by 66 on the FCUKIN RIVER!!!!

Now these may not be exiting to read but other than typing crap in the chat box this is the only way I can relieve some stress and stop myself from putting my fist through the fcukin screen.

Why cant pokerstars just take laser cards? Keep having to pour money into Fcukin PPP.

AGGGHHHH I FCUKIN HATE THE SITE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WHY THE FCUK DO I KEEP PLAYIN THIS FCUKING BINGO............

ecksor

You are a very unlucky man. If I were you I'd refrain from crossing the road.

jd

ecksor wrote:

You are a very unlucky man. If I were you I'd refrain from crossing the road.

I don't think he should have sex with, or without, a condom.

roryc

wouldnt really say im that unlucky. I have my fair share of good/bad luck in most games but it just seems that PPP and the Merrion Casino are fcukin jinxed for me. I just
cannot catch a break in either one.

i can avoid the Merrion because the fitz is around the corner and is thankfully a hundred times better. However, Im having trouble putting cash into my Pokerstars account and therefore have to resort to PPP to play online.

Gonna have to get a credit card soon cos this fcukin mickey mouse poker is really staring to wreck my head. Theres just no skill involved if 'miracle' cards consistently hit on the river. I tried playing 'badly' the other day and ended up winning a fair amount. If i had balls i really would see if you could consistently win money by playing badly........


PS

Just got Ace high flush beaten by straight flush !!!!! What the fcuk!!
As Nicky says - that ****s not right!!

this is unbelievable.... im going to bed before i go on tilt.... my head is spinning from this fcukin game.....wtf

Tackle

Take deep breaths and count to 10, heheh. I've had an Ace high flush beaten by a straight flush as well before, it's a real pisser alright.

It seems to me that the higher limits are the way to go as the players are capable of folding so are less likely to hit their all too common miracle outers. That and you can actually read them to know when they have the nuts and not just two pair.

It really becomes more like bingo the lower you go. I've tried .10/.20 .25/.50 and .5/1 and it seems if you want to minimize the 'miracle factor' you have to play at .5/1. At .10/.20 it's like playing against retarded monkeys but someone keeps throwing them a bone and it's alot harder to clean them out than it should be.

Lafortezza

karlh wrote:

aw, you had me all excited....

funniest thing on the poker forum in quiet a while

Culchie

roryc wrote:

Why cant pokerstars just take laser cards? Keep having to pour money into Fcukin PPP.

AGGGHHHH I FCUKIN HATE THE SITE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WHY THE FCUK DO I KEEP PLAYIN THIS FCUKING BINGO............

Betfair take laser card Rory.

roryc

do they? deadly ill try that out

Might try the higher levels too as tackle said, but I really dont want to put any more money into PPP

henbane

If you can't beat the lower levels consistently, what makes you think the higher levels would be any more successful?

NickyOD

henbane wrote:

If you can't beat the lower levels consistently, what makes you think the higher levels would be any more successful?

It makes perfect sense. The better your oponents the less likely they are to suck out on you. Obviously.

henbane

NickyOD wrote:

It makes perfect sense. The better your oponents the less likely they are to suck out on you. Obviously.

Cheeky!

Waylander

Ladbrokes take laser too. By the way a flush losing to a higher flush, and an Ace high flush losing to a straight flush are not neccessarily bad beats if you completed your hands with the same cards.

ecksor

NickyOD wrote:

It makes perfect sense. The better your oponents the less likely they are to suck out on you. Obviously.

I saw some poker pro last week saying that he avoided bad beats by always getting his money in with the worst of it. Sound advice.

Culchie

ecksor wrote:

I saw some poker pro last week saying that he avoided bad beats by always getting his money in with the worst of it. Sound advice.

Personally, I prefer putting my money in when I am ahead.

roryc

yeh but if you put it all in when your behind you wont be disappointed if you lose will you?

Best advice ive had in a long while

Culchie

roryc wrote:

yeh but if you put it all in when your behind you wont be disappointed if you lose will you?

Best advice ive had in a long while

I will be disapponted, because I'll be broke.

roryc

yes but the BETTER hand won. Surely that is more important??

Sure its only money.......

ecksor

roryc wrote:

Best advice ive had in a long while

Glad to help.

NORTH1

where did i go wrong here?

Any advice?


Table Name Hand ID Game Stakes
Pinocchio 3451654-35722 Holdem No Limit $0.10/$0.20
[Jul 27 19:40:06] : Hand Start.
[Jul 27 19:40:06] : Seat 2 : mrmrgames has $3.72
[Jul 27 19:40:06] : Seat 3 : boyleb has $30.18
[Jul 27 19:40:06] : Seat 5 : catman422 has $19.36
[Jul 27 19:40:06] : Seat 6 : danjac has $18
[Jul 27 19:40:06] : Seat 7 : JFXS2000 has $42.81
[Jul 27 19:40:06] : Seat 9 : RabHess has $17.80
[Jul 27 19:40:06] : boyleb is the dealer.
[Jul 27 19:40:06] : catman422 posted small blind.
[Jul 27 19:40:06] : danjac posted big blind.
[Jul 27 19:40:06] : Game [35722] started with 6 players.
[Jul 27 19:40:06] : Dealing Hole Cards.
[Jul 27 19:40:06] : Seat 3 : boyleb has As Ac
[Jul 27 19:40:09] : JFXS2000 called $0.20
[Jul 27 19:40:09] : RabHess folded.
[Jul 27 19:40:16] : mrmrgames called $0.20
[Jul 27 19:40:18] : boyleb called $0.20 and raised $1.60
[Jul 27 19:40:22] : catman422 called $1.70
[Jul 27 19:40:22] : danjac folded.
[Jul 27 19:40:23] : JFXS2000 folded.
[Jul 27 19:40:38] : mrmrgames has 10 seconds to respond.
[Jul 27 19:40:38] : mrmrgames called $1.60
[Jul 27 19:40:38] : Dealing flop.
[Jul 27 19:40:38] : Board cards [6h 8d 9s]
[Jul 27 19:40:45] : catman422 bet $1.60
[Jul 27 19:40:56] : mrmrgames folded.
[Jul 27 19:40:59] : boyleb called $1.60 and raised $6.40
[Jul 27 19:41:03] : catman422 called $6.40
[Jul 27 19:41:04] : Dealing turn.
[Jul 27 19:41:04] : Board cards [6h 8d 9s Jh]
[Jul 27 19:41:10] : catman422 bet $5
[Jul 27 19:41:12] : boyleb called $5 and raised $5
[Jul 27 19:41:14] : catman422 called $4.56 and is All-in
[Jul 27 19:41:15] : Showdown!
[Jul 27 19:41:15] : Seat 3 : boyleb has As Ac
[Jul 27 19:41:17] : Seat 3 : boyleb has As Ac
[Jul 27 19:41:17] : Seat 5 : catman422 has Jc Th
[Jul 27 19:41:22] : Board cards [6h 8d 9s Jh Td]
[Jul 27 19:41:22] : Seat 3 : boyleb has As Ac
[Jul 27 19:41:22] : boyleb has Pair: Aces
[Jul 27 19:41:22] : Seat 5 : catman422 has Jc Th
[Jul 27 19:41:22] : catman422 has Two Pair: Jacks and 10s
[Jul 27 19:41:22] : catman422 wins $38.88 with Two Pair: Jacks and 10s
[Jul 27 19:41:27] : boyleb : ffsd
[Jul 27 19:41:32] : Hand is over.

roryc

nothing.

got beaten by 'online' luck and a some terrible play by catman

NickyOD

NORTH1 wrote:

where did i go wrong here?

Any advice?

You must not have your PC facing towards magnetic north. That's the only way to beat VC/PPP so that your aces never get cracked. Ask lafortezza.

Hectorjelly

You played it very well. I love the preflop raise.

Lafortezza

NORTH1 wrote:

where did i go wrong here?
Any advice?

Dunno, hard to pinpoint the exact mistake. Getting outdrawn is likely the main culprit though.

Having you been eating well lately? You should take vitamin suplements to augment your usual diet, which I assume is made up of the correct amount of fresh green veg and red meat. "Health before wealth" - that old poker maxim...

How about your sleeping patterns? Poker is a game of nightowls and your body rhythms can get confused leading to an increase in frequency and severity of outdraws. Leaving the window open during the night can help adjust the odds on PPP and VC, due to the cool air from outside affecting the internal components (specifically the processer) of your PC which, when logged onto the internet the next day reduce the amount of 1's and increasing the amount of 0's being sent to PPP/VC through your connection and over the interweb.
A large proportion of 1's leads to that dreaded "VC pause on the river" before the horrible flush card hits. And to a lesser extent under cards hitting a jammy 2 pair vs your overpair.

Among leading poker theorists and author recently there has been a major discussion regarding AA being cracked. It has been put forward that all poker texts and odds calcultors be edited and adjusted to reduce the % favourite that those pesky "Pocket Rockets" are over the remaining range of hands. This would obviously mean that the bullets become less bullet-proof if you will allow me a little joke there.

The fact remains that all of the above could simply be conjecture on my part and that you are,in fact, just another whining muppet who lost a single hand of poker.

Lafortezza

Sorry, forgot this bit: please post your sign-in.





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Culchie

I think in fairness to North1, who is playing the .10/.20 game afterall, that he is looking for a bit of advice on his play, to see if he played his hand correctly.

I didn't sense any whinge.

A little OTT lafortezza IMHO.

karlh

i don't know why i find that so funny but i do.

NORTH1

Sorry lafortezza I missed where my whinning was there.......put yours made up for that ....thanks.

Brian.

DapperGent

Culchie wrote:

I didn't sense any whinge.

He's posted a hand history of aces getting cracked in a thread devoted to pointless ignorant braindead whining and conspiracy theory. How could you miss it?

If he actually wanted to get some advice he would have posted it somewhere else. He just wants sympathy and someone to tell him that the other guy played it wrong just like half the fúcking posts on this board.

In fact this board has gone to total shít. The soccer board has more intelligent debate and worthy threads in it. We should never have let the fúcking riff-raff in.

Dave

Woah, someone got out of the wrong side of the bed this morning!

"Riff-Raff" lol, you might want to get down from that horse, it looks pretty high, it could be dangerous.