Can I get a bagel?

fischerspooner

Do you think the americanising of the English language in Dublin is worsening? Was just in a shop Q there and all 5 people in front of me said "can I get" this or that, instead of "could I have". That really grates me. It seems to be more prevailant with "moneyed" people in Dublin, especially southside kids and those from more wealthy parts of Dublin. On a bus recently I heard two 18 year old girls talking about a recent trip to NY and every second word was "like". "I said" has been replaced by "I was like", or "I was all". I think it's a dumbening down of the English language and we'll soon be speaking in Yank accents if something isn't done. Anyone else notice this?

Riamfada

No its just the general dumbing down of the population in my opinion. Its like ya know. Why should we think when people will think for us. Ie we are becoming more american. Like

Gilgamesh

must agree with you, and to be honest, I think that will put me off even more, even trying to get an Irish girlfriend, sorry, I just don't like the Yank accent, I always have the feeling, I would be better off shovelling the contents of my brains out with a spork

The Gnome

Indeed I have. I think I may have to resort to beating someone to death with their own iced frappecino.
I find the "I was like.." far more annoying though, it slowing infiltrating everyone. Something must be done.

Sarky

Then improve yourselves, damn it!

Femelade

yep cos one day i was like "can i get a bottle of water" and the girl behind the counter was all like "hey you are talking like an american" and i was like "yeah but i just want my water" and she was like "say please" and i was like "ok please" and she was like "ok here you go" and i was like "thanks"

zoro

Out of interest - what's wrong with "Can I get a bagel?"

Naos

/Cork accent
What the **** like?
/End Cork accent

Webmonkey

Femmy wrote:

yep cos one day i was like "can i get a bottle of water" and the girl behind the counter was all like "hey you are talking like an american" and i was like "yeah but i just want my water" and she was like "say please" and i was like "ok please" and she was like "ok here you go" and i was like "thanks"

STFU! , sorry

Dades

fischerspooner wrote:

It seems to be more prevailant with "moneyed" people in Dublin, especially southside kids and those from more wealthy parts of Dublin.

Give me that over stooooooooooooory bud, any day.

MooShop

yeah and have you noticed alot of people are starting to spell things 'the american way' e.g. proper english: personalise american: personalize. the latter seems to be used more frequently now. I think alot of it has to do with Word Processors for instance Microsoft Word where the spell check spells everything 'the american way'

goddamn Yanks taking over :mad:

Webmonkey

Yeah, even I have problems spelling colour now, color

fischerspooner

I would take stoooooooory bud over "I was like - can I get a bagel like?" any day of the week. At least it's like, homegrown.

SparkyLarks

It's like not american at all like it's the americans copying Cork like

Dave

I never even realised that saying "Can I get" is an Americanism!

Femelade

Webmonkey wrote:

STFU! , sorry

STFU?

zAbbo

http://www.google.ie/search?q=STFU

2nd link

dlofnep

Who cares, it's not our language. They can butcher it all they want.

TerrorFirmer

I say "Can I get" all the time.....

I don't think it's overly American...

As for the other things, I talk to my clan buddies all the time online, so seeing as they are from the states in most cases, it's going to have a limited affect on my slang....

Dades

dlofnep wrote:

Who cares, it's not our language. They can butcher it all they want.

Touché!

As long as we don't all start acting like Americans and forgetting our geography and stuff we'll be all right.

fischerspooner

I'm afraid it is our language. Yes, you'll never hear your parents say "can I get a pint of guinness". It's "Could I have". Another thing. If taking the lord's name in vain is a mortal sin (as seen in the 10 commandments). I think the "omigod" generation of today can expect many fiery eternities in hell!!!

The Gnome

dlofnep wrote:

Who cares, it's not our language. They can butcher it all they want.

Sorry just a primary school flashback "Is me an cota sin muinteor!"

Pigman II

Even worse than americanisation is Aussie style 'moronic interogative'* thats creeping our lingo. Its a kind of way of speaking that automatically removes phrases such as 'dya know what I mean?' or 'dya falla kelly?' by automatically phrasing every statement of fact in the form of a question.

Scene Person 1 describing chain of events to person 2:

Person 1 : "First I went to the shops? And then I picked up a newspaper? And then I gave some money to the guy behind the counter but it was too much so he gave me change? And then I read the paper? And now I'm here talking to you?"

* = copyright Rory McGrath (afaik?)

fischerspooner

I saw Stephen Fry talking about that? On Room 101, this one time? It really irritates me too? Especially when laced with omigods and likes?

Blisterman

Could I have a bagel? - Answer: I'm sure you could, if you bought one.

Sparky

bazH wrote:

http://www.google.ie/search?q=STFU

2nd link

did you check out the first link, class like.


americism, were all going to turn out like paris hilton,

"oh thats soo cute"
"Iiii am going to buyyy so versace"
"its like only 10 or 30 thousand"

Oh daddy can i have some more money

DonkeyStyle \o/

fischerspooner wrote:

and all 5 people in front of me said "can I get" this or that, instead of "could I have". That really grates me.

Wow, little else to worry about eh?
I'd envy you, but that'd be a sin I guess, huh buddy?
/me high-fives fischerspooner
Yeah man, radical.

Selik

This thread is like soooooooo going nowhere right now...

weemcd

i blame music television

StupidLikeAFox

I blame George Bush tbh, and the War on Iraq

Prior Of Taize

fischerspooner wrote:

I think it's a dumbening down of the English language and we'll soon be speaking in Yank accents if something isn't done. Anyone else notice this?

The boys at the Irish Nuclear Agency have a plan to prevent that happening (in short----> whoosh...boom...mushroom cloud...screaming...)

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

American dude (stupidly fat (obviously)) once told me he was more irish than me because he gave a damn about being irish. Then again he also tried to justify being 5'11" and over 20 stone...and also tried to justify that the reason he wasnt using his computer science degree to get a job was because of oppression/the man/tax brackets/whatever...

Man i really mean it when i say i ****ing hate americans

ShreddedHumans

I blame the Chinese

Wez

Pigman II wrote:

Even worse than americanisation is Aussie style 'moronic interogative'* thats creeping our lingo. Its a kind of way of speaking that automatically removes phrases such as 'dya know what I mean?' or 'dya falla kelly?' by automatically phrasing every statement of fact in the form of a question.

Scene Person 1 describing chain of events to person 2:

Person 1 : "First I went to the shops? And then I picked up a newspaper? And then I gave some money to the guy behind the counter but it was too much so he gave me change? And then I read the paper? And now I'm here talking to you?"

* = copyright Rory McGrath (afaik?)

OMG!! My friend does that! I hate the guy! He says everything as a question! Except he says, in the most Dublin accent 'right' at the end of every sentence!

e.g.

I went to the shop? Roight, and I like pulled a smoothie out of the fridge? Roight, and then like walked over to the counter and paid for it? Roight

Sorry, just HAD to say it, I hate the guy, and it gets to meh..

Crucifix

I usually say can I have, except I say it fast and it's more like "cnave".

*Page*

assistant asks~what would you like?
I say ~ I'd like a bagel please.

or
me~ hi could i have a bagel with.....

i dont know many people who say "can i get a bagel?"... only "can i get it to go?"

Prior Of Taize

for all you health freaks out there...

[CAPSLOCK]

A BAGEL IS THE EQUIVALENT OF 5 SLICES OF WHITE BREAD YOU IDIOTS

[/CAPSLOCK]

Sparky

id say (depends on mood)

"I think i might have a bagel" or "Would you have a bagel"


Good day: "Can i have a bagel please"
Bad day: "can i get a bagel now", 10seconds later, "ah here will you hurry up with it like"**






**Piss take

*Page*

luckily i'm not a health freak!!
But i do make sure to have a bagel vary vary rarely. usualy its wrapos(obriens) for me

Sparky

*Page* wrote:

luckily i'm not a health freak!!
But i do make sure to have a bagel vary vary rarely. usualy its wrapos(obriens) for me

Had bagels in NY and TBH i got sick of them altogether.

Dave

Superquinn bagels are the business really.

Sleipnir

fischerspooner wrote:

all 5 people in front of me said "can I get" this or that, instead of "could I have".

Could I have?!?!?!
Could I have???

I think you mean "may I have"

Oh the ignorance.....!

boo4842

Sparky_S wrote:

did you check out the first link, class like.

I guess Irish don't notice that they put "like" at the end of a sentence, where Americans/Canadians put it in the middle. I find it infinately more annoying the way the Irish do it...like.

I'm Canadian and noticed it right away. If your going to act American at least to it properly ffs.

They also replace "like" with "so" at the end of the sentence, so they do. I never understood the whole repeating thing, and its far more obvious in the north....so it is.

And the whole correcting someone asking for a "bagel" is hilarious because a bagel is, in itself, an American product. Its like correcting someone for ordering weiner schnitzel the German way...

dalk

I'm pretty sure that bagels came to America via Polish Jews (making bagels originally Polish)... but i could be wrong.. So where does that bring the argument?

And whats wrong with eating five slices of bread anyway?

As was pointed out earlier, Corkonians have been sticking 'like' (loike) at the end of sentences long before they decided to 'act American' Boo...

SparkyLarks

Can I get is so not an americanism like.

However analog is, drives me mad, it's analogue unless you talking about the company.

If you really want how to see how american culture is influencing us. Take halloween coming up. Pumpkins everywhere. and people who put up turnips are looked down on. Esp kids who's parents put them up.

But turnips were cut out for hundreds of in europe years, and it was because american settlers couldn't find turnips they use pumpkins. But cos that's what we see in the movies we not think that pumpkins are the right thing to do. When in fact it should be turnips all along.


and is it not "may I please have a bagel" or 2May I have a bagel please"

joejoem

Can I get a holla?




Throw up both my hands?




Woah! This aint livin!

- The beautiful and wonderful soul of Mr Marvin Gaye

Pigman II

Wez wrote:

My friend does that! I hate the guy!

simu

"Can I get a ..." - this isn't an americanism or if it is, it's been in Ireland my whole life (25 years). It is more something a child would say, to my ears, though.

Dave

boo4842 wrote:

I guess Irish don't notice that they put "like" at the end of a sentence, where Americans/Canadians put it in the middle. I find it infinately more annoying the way the Irish do it...like.

I'm Canadian and noticed it right away. If your going to act American at least to it properly ffs.

They also replace "like" with "so" at the end of the sentence, so they do. I never understood the whole repeating thing, and its far more obvious in the north....so it is.

And the whole correcting someone asking for a "bagel" is hilarious because a bagel is, in itself, an American product. Its like correcting someone for ordering weiner schnitzel the German way...

When Irish people (mainly south of the country, Kerry, Cork) put like at the end of a sentence it's not in any vain attempt to sound American, it's because it's a regional way of speaking, which I found myself doing more and more having been hanging around with a few Kerry lads. Being Canadian you wouldn't know this.

Sleepy

Nyeh, if people wanna be dumb let 'em. It's something for the rest of us to feel special about and we all know how important our therapists tell us that is!

simu

Yup - no matter how bad life gets, flawless bagel-ordering techniques will be an asset.

Shabadu

"My wife just died, but at least the Itsabagel staff will be pleased with my ordering skills."

Widower: "May I have a Holy Cow bagel with Basil Mayonnaise instead of Horseradish Sauce, please? I would like that in a bag."

Staff: "¿Qué?"