Eircom ADSL Trial

Gunn4r

Does everyone know you can ring 1800503303 and ask if you are eligible for ADSL free for 3 months?

Gladiator

everyone within the trial area and thats interested in it know, and if your not in the trial area theres no point in ringing

Dustaz

Well im in the trial area and i didnt know that number, thanks gunner
I just confirmed my trial, nyeh

Chaos

where abouts does it say the areas? cant find it on there site...

Gladiator

did you register yourself at their site with your real address

Dustaz

um no, with my fake address. That way when they call round to install my free dsl THE JOKES ON THEM!!

pssh

Gladiator

dont be such a ****ing smart **** , im talking about their site were you registered for information on adsl, that probably how they got the address for the mail drop, if you didnt sign up or put in fake details you wouldnt have gotthen a mail drop,

O and i like the way you persume you will get a line just because you in the area of the trials,

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Dyrcluth

Well, just rang the Eircom guy...
"Did you receive the mail?"
"Yes" ;-)
"What's your home phone number?" (I was on my mobile)
"667-xxxx"
"let me just run a check"
"I have ISDN already, if that helps"
"Did you receive the mailing in the post?"
"Yes" ;-)
"I'm sorry sir, but the offer is only available on PSTN..."
"Well, can I switch?"
"Yes, but it's only a free trial until September, but you can go
ahead".
"Oh"
"I can only put the order in once you've switched to PSTN"
"OK - maybe I should wait until it's fully available"
"I'll take a note of your number, in case you switch"
...

SO NO ADSL if you have ISDN already!!!!

Dustaz

I didnt register anywhere for info about the trials. Ive been ringing them on and off for the last year or so trying to find concrete information about the service.
Last week i got a call back to tell me about the current state of the service. I gave them my number and they did a test on my line and said i was suitable. They said something about a mail shot, but i recieved nothing. Thats why i was glad to see gunners post, because now i have an install date. So i would encourage anyone who wants dsl to ring the number to see if they can get it, youd never know.

So joe you see i didnt presume anything. I got up off my backside and chased it.
What type of mong would put in fake details applying for something they want anyway?

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Gladiator:
dont be sould a ****ing smart **** , im talking about their site were you registered for information on adsl, that probably how they got the address for the mail drop, if you didnt sign up or put in fake details you wouldnt have gotthen a mail drop,

O and i like the way you persume you will get a line just because you in the area of the trials, </font>

Gladiator

thats all i was asking, did you register for info, if so were your details right, all you had to say was no, instead of a smart **** attack,

O and as for faking info, this wasnt to sign up for adsl it was to get info on adsl, so some people might thought their was no need for correct details and some people are paranoid feics

Chaos

ah i see Gladiator ill try that sure. they mail you back if your in the area right?

Dustaz

chaos, just ring the above number, theyll tell you straight away.

Gladiator

What duntaz said, i was told by email with one of the guys workign on i stream that i wouldnt get it, if you not on a trial exchange they wont even take your number,

Hecate

ring them as soon as possible; If you're in a trial exchange (that has places left) they can sort you out over the phone.

got booked in for 10th august, I'll only have it for about 2 months but still

Dustaz

They just rang me back with some details i asked about. I also asked if there was any sort of NDA or secrecy clause attached and they say no, so anyone who already has it feel free to post

I actually know one of the i-stream guys in eircom and was talking to him in the pub a while back. He said the reason that theyre pings were a wee bit high for games (60 to irish servers as opposed to 20-40 afaik) was that they were given the option of better preformance against more people served. They went for the more audience option. Reason i say this is that i saw in another thread that someone said it was normal for pings to be high on rollout and then go down. Yer man didnt seem to think they would drop much.

Gladiator

still 60 pings got to be better then 56k,

Gladiator

one thing id like to know is how will they inforce this 1gig limit on a free trial, i mean will they bill you if you go over the 1 gig or cut you off,
i douth they will bill you as the per mb charge isnt settled

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Dustaz

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Gladiator:
still 60 pings got to be better then 56k,</font>

Darn tootin

As to the download limit. Weeeeeell, afaik its actually quite hard to do enforce it (what ive been told). Its one of the things they are trialling.
Someone on these boards was saying that Chorus arent enforcing their limit? if thats true, good news
Looking increasingly likely that there will be a limit though. Whether 1gb is the final one, who knows.


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Gladiator

no you see its not really a limits, its "this is how much you get free you pay after that"
they arnt inforcing there speed limit with some people hitting speeds up to t1 standards, but this has a down side in that if they dont control the speed by launch you could suffer from crap speed due to someone else getting it all

m1ke

heh so far no one seems to have it, since there's none of this secrecy bull****, once anyone gets it please post up exact preformance details here

ta

Gunn4r

I didnt think everyone knew, glad to be of help.;-)

Renton

Okay folks, just to clear up the fuss here

Im on the ADSL trial myself,

Its 512k Downstream, and 128k Up.

There is NO 1gb limit as yet, and its free free free (so far )

Gaming:
Gaming with the DSL is okay, you get about 60 ping to local irish servers, and about 80 to 90 to UK (barrysworld etc). They arent spectacular, but then, compared to 56k, they fairly own it to bits.

Browsing/Downloading:
All i can say is WOW, Pages load practically instantly, and downloading ranges from 50 to 60 k/sec.

Installation
Eircom engineers just come around and basically wire another box onto your line, theres no extra wires, no digging + holes in your wall, very simple & very tidy.

Static/Dynamic IPs?
Unfortuntaly, the term "always-on" has a slight twist to it, You are in THEORY always connected to eircom, however, they run a DHCP server from their end, which assigns you an IP every time you log on, so your IP is not static, it is dynamic. However, ive overcome that by using DynDNS , which gives you a static hostname

Connecting:
Eircom provide you with this absolutly PANTS piece of software called NFS Enternet (its a dialer) my GOD does it suck ass!, so as soon as the engineers left my house, I went to www.dslreports.com and downloaded "raspppoe" which is a plugin for Dial up Networking, which allows me to use it to connect to the ISP, which is nice

It uses PPPOE (Point to point protocol over ethernet) by the way, and not PPP as some people might have thought.

There is two options afaik, USB or ETHERNET, I (unfortunatly) chose usb, I would have prefered ethernet, but hell its kooel anyway , The DSL modems are made by alcatel, and work grand.

Oh and btw, heres what RASPPPOE looks like (it shows the connection speed of the USB not the dsl line)


oh yeah.

Skeptic1

Renton waves it about and plonks it down on the table.

tHE vAGGABOND

where are the test areas..

or what areas of dublin are within the test areas?

Gladiator

gold on you have to log in with a dialer, how does that work exactly, none of this sounds like the adsl in the use, and no static ip

hudson806

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Gladiator:
gold on you have to log in with a dialer, how does that work exactly, none of this sounds like the adsl in the use, and no static ip</font>

Gladiator, I explained this to you before (in some detail) in this thread:

http://www.boards.ie/bulletin/Forum28/HTML/000052.html

Have a look for my post about half-way down the page. Adn you can always check out of websites for Enternet or WinPOET for a bit more detail.

And this sounds exactly like the residential DSL used in the States - PPPoE, Dynamic IP.

m1ke

the ping situation is utterly shyte, typical ther'd be some catch. 60 ping just don't cut it anymore.... once u've been on a 50 ping for a few months you see the draw back with thousands and thousands of gamers on slpb pings.

Gladiator

OJ were the hell were you, i heard you had been killed or something,

anywho i didnt realise pppoe meant no static ip,
thats ****e,

Dustaz

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by m1ke:
the ping situation is utterly shyte, typical ther'd be some catch. 60 ping just don't cut it anymore.... once u've been on a 50 ping for a few months you see the draw back with thousands and thousands of gamers on slpb pings.</font>

Damn your right. Maybe ill just stick with my 220 ping after all.

Chaos-Engine

hehe
I got it too 15th of Sugest i will have ADSL for not even a penny
Just ring them
1800 503 303

Don't lie about anything unlike some ppl here
note: Dun Laorghire and some of teh east cost can't get it
That was a suprise(high income area blah blah)
Gl

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ICQ: 34896460

Hecate

what would the difference be between the usb and the ethernet adapters?

Renton

The USB Goes directly into your PC, which allows full access to the net from one pc,

Unfortunatly to allow any other pc's on your network, unless you use ICS (Internet Connection Sharing) But unfortunatly, this sucks, because you cant have incoming connections ; http://www.boards.ie/bulletin/Forum28/HTML/000072.html

The advantage of having a DSL Ethernet model router, is that you can simply plug it into a Hub and plug cables from all the other computers into the hub, this allows all the users on your network to have simultanious access to the internet , which is alot nicer. (clearly)

RentZ

Chaos-Engine

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Hecate:
what would the difference be between the usb and the ethernet adapters?</font>

I picked Ethernet adapter as i would like to use my USB sockets for Mouses and Scanners etc.... And also by using an Ethernet card if u have more than 1 PC it can make networking them for access alittle easier.. Plus the fact i already have an Ethernet card

This is going to be fun

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Email: choas@netshop.ie
ICQ: 34896460

hudson806

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Renton:

The advantage of having a DSL Ethernet model router, is that you can simply plug it into a Hub and plug cables from all the other computers into the hub, this allows all the users on your network to have simultanious access to the internet , which is alot nicer. (clearly)
</font>

Not so, unfortunately. Using PPPoE makes the service pretty much identical to the USB service - the connection will, essentially, terminate inside your PC, same as for USB.

At least for the Ethernet models you can buy a DSL router that terminates PPP(not to be confused with a DSL modem/router combo), plug that into the ethernet socket of the DSL modem, and enjoy DSL all over your network.

Downsides: cost, availability of DSL routers, no incoming connections (unless you can get port forwarding to work on your router.)

Gladiator said:

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">anywho i didnt realise pppoe meant no static ip,
thats ****e,</font>

PPPoE doesn't mean no static IP - they're entirely separate issues. PPPoE is mostly used to add authentication to a DSL service (There are a few other benefits, none of which are visible to the customer). Once authenticated, a static IP may be used (although you'll have to persuade your ISP to give you one, exactly the same as for dial-up)


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Yurmasyurda

Don't even worry your little heads about routing, if you have a usb/cable connection or any other internet connection there is an excellent piece of sw that will allow up to two extra machines share the net connection (on freeware) and more if you want to pay for it but if you have more than one machine then route between them. It allows port mappings so any machine can access everything on the internet like they are directly connected. It's called Nat32 and it's freely downloadable from the below site.

One thing though! it may be a small bit complex for the newcomer, just make sure you read the documentation on their site.

I have this running on my isdn connection and it's phuking excellent.

Anyway, Here ya go...

http://www.nat32.com/

BTW. This is a brief overview of how it works = Second machine on my network sends out a request for a foreign ip address or site then nat32 dials the internet through my first machine and all requests go from machine 2 netcard to machine 1 netcard and then isdn card or whatever you have ie analogue modem and back.

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hudson806

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Yurmasyurda:
Don't even worry your little heads about routing, if you have a usb/cable connection or any other internet connection there is an excellent piece of sw that will allow...
</font>

Programs like this are all well and good, but they are seriously limited compared to a proper routed connection with Public IP addressing. Certainly, having to have the host machine switched on to access in the Net from any other renders it almost pointless, since if you're willing to leave a machine switched on, it may as well run linux with proper NAT + Port-Forwarding + Firewall + SSH.

I guess if you have 2 Windows machines, and you're not too fussed about anything other than web surfing, then OK. For everything else a DSL router or a Linux-based router makes more sense.

Certainly, I'll be going for the DSL router option. For IEP150 or so, its worth it, even if its just so I don't need to leave a noisy PC switched on 24x7...

PHB

I tryed to undertsnad but i just gave up.
Questions which have already been anwsered but i cant get are

When will the trial finish?

and

Can i receive/dial out at the same time using an ordinary phone?

Yurmasyurda

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by hudson806:
Programs like this are all well and good, but they are seriously limited compared to a proper routed connection with Public IP addressing. </font>

The nat sw is fully compatible with ip addressing ie. it can handle several direct tcp ip connections to different machines by masking, if adsl comes out I will probably stick something like a 486 nice and quiet together to do the job 24/7 also I am running zonealarm as a firewall on the same machine. I do realise that hardware routing is also a good option but this is another alternative available to peeps.

Yurmasyurda

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by PHB:
I tryed to undertsnad but i just gave up.
Questions which have already been anwsered but i cant get are

When will the trial finish?

and

Can i receive/dial out at the same time using an ordinary phone?</font>

The trial finishes in september and I'm almost %100 sure the line is gonna be a separate one nothing to do with phone line at all.

Hope this helps

Renton

To put it simply, The PPPoE dialing software basically autherises you to obtain an IP from the DHCP server running in eircom

As I say i dont understand alot about it, thats just the way it is

RentZ

Lenny

Dam it, people who have NTL as their telephone provider are not eligable to get it, you have to be on an Eircon line to get it.

hudson806

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by PHB:

Can i receive/dial out at the same time using an ordinary phone?</font>

Yes.

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Yurmasyurda:
if adsl comes out I will probably stick something like a 486 nice and quiet together to do the job 24/7 also I am running zonealarm as a firewall on the same machine. </font>

I think you've just made the point I was trying to make - the NAT32/routerPC needs to be left running 24/7. If that's the case, Linux or BSD are vastly beter solutions, with built-in (and more versatile) FIrewall, NAT and IP forwarding. I'm not saying NAT32 is badly made, but for most things, its just redundant.



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Gladiator

well for about 200 sterling you can pick up a nice little router with nat filtering, port block, and ral firewall.

one question, what is nat

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fisty

Network Address Translation

NAT (Network Address Translation) is the translation of an Internet Protocol address (IP address) used within one network to a different IP address known within another network. One network is designated the inside network and the other is the outside. Typically, a company maps its local inside network addresses to one or more global outside IP addresses and unmaps the global IP addresses on incoming packets back into local IP addresses. This helps ensure security since each outgoing or incoming request must go through a translation process that also offers the opportunity to qualify or authenticate the request or match it to a previous request. NAT also conserves on the number of global IP addresses that a company needs and it lets the company use a single IP address in its communication with the world.
NAT is included as part of a router and is often part of a corporate firewall. Network administrators create a NAT table that does the global-to-local and local-to-global IP address mapping. NAT can also be used in conjunction with policy routing. NAT can be statically defined or it can be set up to dynamically translate from and to a pool of IP addresses. Cisco's version of NAT lets an administrator create tables that map:

A local IP address to one global IP address statically
A local IP address to any of a rotating pool of global IP addresses that a company may have
A local IP address plus a particular TCP port to a global IP address or one in a pool of them
A global IP address to any of a pool of local IP addresses on a round-robin basis
NAT is described in general terms in RFC 1631. which discusses NAT's relationship to Classless Interdomain Routing (Classless Inter-Domain Routing) as a way to reduce the IP address depletion problem. NAT reduces the need for a large amount of publicly known IP addresses by creating a separation between publicly known and privately known IP addresses. CIDR aggregates publicly known IP addresses into blocks so that fewer IP addresses are wasted. In the end, both extend the use of IPv4 IP addresses for a few more years before IPv6 is generally supported

TwoShedsJackson

So if you've a HiSpeed box on your wall you're wasting your time phoning?

Gladiator

yep, you be as long waiting for adsl over isdn are you were waiting for adsl itself

Skeptic1

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Gladiator:
hudson806 right as you know i plain a router as well as a adsl modem, how will with this efect a Dynamic IP, i mean by useing a router will i be able to keep the same ip even after i turn my pc off, once the router is allways on, since i get the coonection from the router id imagine id need to disconnect the router from the internet to loose the ip,

am i right, how would this work
</font>

If you leave your router on then the router itself will keep its IP address. If you switch your PC on and off then it may be assigned a new local IP by the local DHCP server (which may be running on the router). But your DSL IP, i.e. the one that's seen by the outside world will stay the same because you haven't disconnected from the DSL service.

Essentially, there are two sources of dynamic IPs. The first is the DSL provider and the second is whatever you're running at home.

Gladiator

if i switch the computer off the router will asign a new local ip(not to sure about that)
but the ip the router uses will remain the same, therefore giving me a static ip address as long as the router is allways on,

Is that waht you saying,

Snaga

No. Hes saying your ROUTER will keep the ip address its allocated as long as it doesnt,

1) lose the connection (happens all the time with modems/isdn - we dont know if this will be a problem with DSL yet)

2) Lose power in some way.


I also wouldnt count on having a static ip with the service. Real life has power cuts and if your relying on your ip address then you will run into trouble down the line. Use Rentons method of getting a static hostname with one of those free dynamic dns services on the net.

If you want a true static ip address, you have to pay for it.



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hudson806

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Gladiator:
id need to disconnect the router from the internet to loose the ip,

am i right, how would this work
</font>

What you're saying is true, but you're overestimating the kind of uptimes you'll get from a PPPoE connection.

Generally speaking, you can expect to get about 4-10 days uptime from a single PPPoE connection (sometimes a lot less, sometimes more), by which time, someone will have reset something at the ISP end, or a blast of noise on your phone line will cut the session, after which of course, you will have to login again, and be assigned a new (and different) IP address.

So its not really like having a real static IP address.

Gavin

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Gladiator:
if i switch the computer off the router will asign a new local ip(not to sure about that)
but the ip the router uses will remain the same, therefore giving me a static ip address as long as the router is allways on,

Is that waht you saying,</font>

It depends on how eircom have it setup. DHCP IP's are leased out. They are only valid for a specific time. When that time runs out, the ip is taken back into the ip pool and a new one allocated.

Now, it's possible that you will be allocated the same ip but not necessarily. Renton there can leave his machine on for as long as he can and log his ip's just to let us know

hehe

Gav