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Jesus

  • 03-07-2005 06:57PM
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    Closed Accounts Posts: 32


    Was Jesus black or white?

    In pictures and statues hes white but if he was born in Iserael he was most likely black or tanned.Mary was probably tanned aswel so thats where i got the idea for the question.

    Please vote and say why you think black or white or even tanned.

    Jesus, was he black or white 11 votes

    Black
    0%
    White
    63%
    TöpherWebmonkeytreefingersStimpyonelardboyNeilJPissedChicken 7 votes
    Tanned
    36%
    AniaKare BearcatholicirelandNickibaby* 4 votes


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,483 ✭✭✭Töpher


    White
    If he existed, black. It makes logical sense. The whole population would have been, including Moses and the like.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,299 ✭✭✭Sandals


    what you mean by tanned i voted tanned as in asian like. saw a documentary on it once.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 32 PissedChicken


    White
    Einst&#252 wrote: »
    If he existed, black. It makes logical sense. The whole population would have been, including Moses and the like.

    Thats what i have thought for ages.All the pictures and statues have him as white which is stupid.coz it just dont make sense.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 485 ✭✭Kare Bear


    Tanned
    If he existed, black. It makes logical sense. The whole population would have been, including Moses and the like.
    Not black there tanned out there.Like other arab people.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,312 ✭✭✭mr_angry


    Einst&#252 wrote: »
    If he existed, black. It makes logical sense. The whole population would have been, including Moses and the like.
    Depends on how long the Israelites lived in that location. Literal interpretations of the Bible would have you believe it was only a couple of thousand years. Science on the other hand indicates that Ireland had been populated for about 7500 years before the birth of Christ - easily enough time for the human race to have developed different racial characteristics.

    Given that his conception was immaculate (assuming you believe the Bible), its impossible to say what effect that had on the genetic makeup of Jesus, if any. The very thought of it almost causes my eyes to roll. Apart from that, we know almost nothing about the genetic background of Mary - how long her family line had resided in the area, etc. Really, she could have been black, white, or half-cast.

    Assuming (and its a big assumption) that her family had lived in the area for several thousand years, interbred with people from both northerly and southerly regions, and the immaculate conception had no effect on his complexion, I would guess that Jesus was probably arab in appearance. In any case, I don't see what real relevance the appearance of Jesus should have to a debate.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,203 ✭✭✭Excelsior


    Jesus was a Palestinian Jew. Therefore, he looked like a Palestinian Jew. What difference does this make? None.

    http://www.wischik.com/irene/cross/11-jesus-is-nailed-to-the-cross.jpg


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 997 ✭✭✭Sapien


    Was Jesus black or white?

    In pictures and statues hes white but if he was born in Iserael he was most likely black or tanned.Mary was probably tanned aswel so thats where i got the idea for the question.

    Please vote and say why you think black or white or even tanned.
    I was under the impression there were more than three ethnicities heretofore recorded. Though, this new ethnicity, "tanned", is news to me. To what areas is it indigenous?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,300 ✭✭✭airetam_storm


    Sapien wrote:
    I was under the impression there were more than three ethnicities heretofore recorded. Though, this new ethnicity, "tanned", is news to me. To what areas is it indigenous?
    Middle eastern?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 92 ✭✭Ania


    Tanned
    Einst&#252 wrote: »
    If he existed, black.
    Jesus is a historical fact, so feel free not to doubt that he might have not existed.
    ... also based on plenty of non- bibical evidences: the Koran, Plinius, Tacitus, Roman historical writers, itd.

    It's pretty unimportant to debate what "race" Jesus was.
    On many work of arts he's painted white with blue eyes, but there are also many paintings where he appears with a dark skin, for instance the famous Black Madonna in Czestochowa (Poland) or many paintings in Russian Orthodox churches.

    It's just amazing that there are people of all races in this world who follow this man- that's the only thing that counts for really religious people.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 135 ✭✭NeilJ


    White
    One thing that should be pointed out is that the Arab skinned people of today who live in that region did to a large degree displace those living in the area Christs was from. Therefore to assume that the modern inhabitants of the region are the same skin colour is not necessarily true.

    Neil


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 36 mmcgaley


    Here's a very interesting article about Jesus' colour:
    http://www.ethnicharvest.org/links/articles/learner1.htm

    For those of you with limited time/attention spans, it ends like this:
    So the question remains: What color is Jesus? For the cross-cultural witness the color is always neutral. When Christ is in the culture, He will look just like the members of that culture. He will represent God and His righteousness to the culture. He will become the measuring stick by which everyone in the culture is measured.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 18,300 ✭✭✭✭Seaneh


    This is roughly what he would have looked like
    _1251512_sonofgod150.jpg
    It's how the avrage Jew in Isreal would have looked in the day.

    and this is where you can learn more.
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/1251512.stm


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,999 ✭✭✭solas


    he was much better looking than that in my dream....;)
    tanned, eastern mediteranian look (like the iraqi in "lost")


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 9,799 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manach


    Given that that Palestine was/is a major migration nexus for millennia + fought over for just as long, it could be anyone of the choices above.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 24 Mazikeen


    Manach wrote:
    Given that that Palestine was/is a major migration nexus for millennia + fought over for just as long, it could be anyone of the choices above.
    It was a major migration nexus for millennia in the Middle East. Thus the racial influences would have been largely Semitic (Egyptian, Assyrian, Babylonian) with some Aryian influences from Persia and Europe (Macedonia, Rome). So it would be highly unlikely that he would be black, most likely he would have been Mediteranian or Arabic in looks.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 135 ✭✭NeilJ


    White
    But you definetly couldn't have mistaken him for the standard white man he is often portrayed as.

    Neil


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,999 ✭✭✭solas


    andrews.jpg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,312 ✭✭✭mr_angry


    Hey, wasn't he black in Madonna's "Like A Prayer" video?

    If she says it, it must be true.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 32 THE DUDE.......


    do ye believe dat dere really was such a person called jesus?

    think about it like this:
    2,000 years ago dere cud have been a writer like da modern day j.k.rowling who decided to invent up jesus like she invented harry potter and den eventually as da years passed people gradually forgot dat da bible was just fiction and started to believe in it.nobody knows if this has happened or not............................................................ :eek: :eek:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 32 THE DUDE.......


    do ye believe dat dere really was such a person called jesus?

    think about it like this:
    2,000 years ago dere cud have been a writer like da modern day j.k.rowling who decided to invent up jesus like she invented harry potter and den eventually as da years passed people gradually forgot dat da bible was just fiction and started to believe in it.gets ya thinking dosent it....................................................... :eek: :eek:


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 142 ✭✭catholicireland


    Tanned
    do ye believe dat dere really was such a person called jesus?

    Well what do you call the bible?! Do you think people just made that up!! Jesus is the son of God..


    I think Jesus was white. I mean with a bit of a tan. Why would he be black? He wasnt born in Africa.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 32 THE DUDE.......


    "88.4% of Irish people are Roman Catholic"





    maybe so,but how many are actually practising roman catholics??????????????


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 997 ✭✭✭Sapien


    do ye believe dat dere really was such a person called jesus?

    think about it like this:
    2,000 years ago dere cud have been a writer like da modern day j.k.rowling who decided to invent up jesus like she invented harry potter and den eventually as da years passed people gradually forgot dat da bible was just fiction and started to believe in it.gets ya thinking dosent it....................................................... :eek: :eek:
    While this may be true of Jesus' lesser known exploits with the Sorceror's Bedpan, the Closet of Dreams and the highly apocryphal episode concerning the Convict of Uzbekistan - all of which are described in the dubious Gospel of Terence - the more mundane details of his existence are pretty well corroborated by contemporary sources.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 32 THE DUDE.......


    true,but you have to remember dat da bible was written by humans not by "god" and we all know dat human nature isnt exactly prone to honesty


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 18,300 ✭✭✭✭Seaneh


    The fact that The Emperor of Rome became a christian less than 200 years after Christs Death kind of implys that the man lived.
    After all its not hard to trace historical fact back 200 years and the Roman emperor was hardly like to be the most gullible person on the planet.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,923 ✭✭✭Playboy


    Seaneh wrote:
    The fact that The Emperor of Rome became a christian less than 200 years after Christs Death kind of implys that the man lived.
    After all its not hard to trace historical fact back 200 years and the Roman emperor was hardly like to be the most gullible person on the planet.

    Thats a super reason to believe in Jesus


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 32 THE DUDE.......


    perhaps, but how do you know dat dis emperor actually existed?once again, we have to rely on what somebody dat lived in dat era has written.its very easy to make stuff up


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,783 ✭✭✭Puck


    How do you know anything? How do I know that you're not a figment of my imagination and I'm really just talking to myself? In the end, everything requires a little faith. I don't know anything really but I beileve things based on what I think is true.

    In answer to the original question of what colour Jesus is - he's red on the inside like everyone else, other than that I don't care.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,452 ✭✭✭Time Magazine


    Man was made in the image of God, and Jesus was the son of God.

    To see what man originally looked like we should study the inhabitants of the region that is least evolved on the planet. Thus, Jesus came from Westmeath and was white.

    QED.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,487 ✭✭✭Kevin_rc_ie


    Yes I've discussed this before, those as a child. A lot of icons you see in Ireland are of a pale Jesus Christ with Blue eyes and rosey cheeks with long brown hair and a welcoming smile.

    I hope I don't make too many biblical/historical mistakes but Mary was from Bethlehem wasn't she. Who did she descend from, I can't remember. To look at modern day Israeli jews, none are black, as in western/southern african black. They certainly aren't celtic/nordic/irish in apearance either. But tanned, tanned to me, means people like Spaniards or Italians.

    I'm not sure what you call people from Iraq/Iran etc. in terms of their "colour".


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