Who will Win the next General Election in Ireland?

axtradub12

And why don't more people go out and vote?Oh I should add that I hope Sinn Fein walks away with it

Saturnine

Does it really matter?Will it make any Real difference to you.

LadyJ

Bertie. We have to kill off a few more OAPs before that changes.
People don't vote either due to the fact that they've lost faith in politicians or are simply too stupid to realise how important the right to vote is.

Nightwish

apathy is what is keeping idiots like bertie in power. If only people would go out and use their vote. if someone does not use their vote they have no right to complain when government policy affects them adversely or pi$$es them off, as they did not do their bit to make their voices heard.
personally I think a Fine Gael/ Labour coalition is not beyond the bounds of possibility.

anyway does this thread not belong in politics???

Barry Aldwell

axtradub12 wrote:

Oh I should add that I hope Sinn Fein walks away with it

They will of course then walk off with the entire government budget, plus anything that's not nailed down, onto a flight to South America

axtradub12

Nightwish wrote:

apathy is what is keeping idiots like bertie in power. If only people would go out and use their vote. if someone does not use their vote they have no right to complain when government policy affects them adversely or pi$$es them off, as they did not do their bit to make their voices heard.
personally I think a Fine Gael/ Labour coalition is not beyond the bounds of possibility.

anyway does this thread not belong in politics???

We have had the Rainbow Parties of Fine Gael & Labour for many years. Then back to FF. We need a whole new system in our country. Not old has beens

Saturnine

I understand its important for people to vote but like i said what do you expect to change?

axtradub12

Saturnine wrote:

I understand its important for people to vote but like i said what do you expect to change?

The System.

LadyJ

axtradub12 wrote:

Oh I should add that I hope Sinn Fein walks away with it

Yeah I love living in the fear of being knee-capped! :rolleyes:
Sinn Fein are bullies and fasciasts.

Saturnine

axtradub12 wrote:

The System.

Admire your optimism.

axtradub12

LadyJ wrote:

Yeah I love living in the fear of being knee-capped! :rolleyes:
Sinn Fein are bullies and fasciasts.

Fasciast Bertie & Co more like it. And bullies too. But you let them do what they like. what will they Ban next?

Nightwish

axtradub12 wrote:

We have had the Rainbow Parties of Fine Gael & Labour for many years. Then back to FF. We need a whole new system in our country. Not old has beens

i understand that but at this stage ANYTHING,(but sinn fein) would be a change for the best. the current government his stale, and on a personal note, i detest FF. I'm not a supporter of either FG or Labour, but Enda Kenny has done wonders for a party which crashed and burned at the last general election.
How would you suggest "the system" should be changed?

LadyJ

axtradub12 wrote:

Fasciast Bertie & Co more like it. And bullies too. But you let them do what they like. what will they Ban next?

I'm not sticking up for Bertie by any means but Sinn Fein are far worse imo

drdre

i donot know who will win the next election and donot care,as ireland will never even be good to live in happily.everything is a problem:D

axtradub12

Saturnine wrote:

Admire your optimism.

Thank you.

axtradub12

LadyJ wrote:

I'm not sticking up for Bertie by any means but Sinn Fein are far worse imo

The Pd'd will not be rejoining Bertie next time round. I think Bertie wants to see a United Ireland in his lifetime in Dail Eireann. And Gerry can provide.

LadyJ

Well I say they're both dreaming. My message is get the hell over it!
Start looking after our best interests and enough of the worrying about where the borders are!

Nightwish

axtradub12 wrote:

The Pd'd will not be rejoining Bertie next time round. I think Bertie wants to see a United Ireland in his lifetime in Dail Eireann. And Gerry can provide.

a united Ireland is a LONG way away. Ireland cannot afford to assume rule over the 6 counties. there is a much higher poverty rate and unemployment rate up there, which wiould cripple this countrys already streched resources in social welfare. however there is much better infrastructure,-roads, hospitals etc- up North which again, this country cant afford to maintain.

there has to be a lot more concessions on sinn feins part if there is to be a resolution to the norths problems with the power sharing executive, and this is before we even consider a united ireland

Stench Blossoms

axtradub12 wrote:

The Pd'd will not be rejoining Bertie next time round. I think Bertie wants to see a United Ireland in his lifetime in Dail Eireann. And Gerry can provide.

Did Mary Harney tell you that herself? or are you just going by what you hear from the media?

Tar.Aldarion

pff ireland is one of the countries where i know very little about the politics....they are so boring...:P

Tar.Aldarion

Nightwish wrote:

a united Ireland is a LONG way away. Ireland cannot afford to assume rule over the 6 counties. there is a much higher poverty rate and unemployment rate up there, which wiould cripple this countrys already streched resources in social welfare. however there is much better infrastructure,-roads, hospitals etc- up North which again, this country cant afford to maintain.

the extra taxes would help out there

CaptainPeacock

Fianna Fáil know they'll have a reduced majority next time. The PDs won't be enough to make up an overall majority, and they know it. That's why they secretly had designs on a coalition with Labour. But that's out. I fear Fianna Fáil will still be there next time, with some ghastly combination of Independents or SF or, get this, The Greens. The Greens haven't committed themselves to FG/Labour, remember, nor have they ruled out FF.

axtradub12

Nightwish wrote:

a united Ireland is a LONG way away. Ireland cannot afford to assume rule over the 6 counties. there is a much higher poverty rate and unemployment rate up there, which wiould cripple this countrys already streched resources in social welfare. however there is much better infrastructure,-roads, hospitals etc- up North which again, this country cant afford to maintain.

there has to be a lot more concessions on sinn feins part if there is to be a resolution to the norths problems with the power sharing executive, and this is before we even consider a united ireland

A United Ireland is not very far away. Britain wants to get rid of Northern Ireland. Its only a matter of time. I'd say less than 10 years away. Britain would also provide for Northern Ireland .ie. Social Security ect until such a time the Republic can and will be able to manage all of its people North & South. The Social Welfare is crippled enough here in the south. This would have to change too. It will take time.But it will work under a new system. And all would be equal under this system of government.

Tar.Aldarion

gibberish to me lol maybe i should get into my own countrys politics....

@captains post

axtradub12

Tar.Aldarion wrote:

gibberish to me lol maybe i should get into my own countrys politics....

@captains post

And what country would that be?

Tar.Aldarion

ireland-have no idea what each party stands for....hmm

Saturnine

axtradub12 wrote:

A United Ireland is not very far away. Britain wants to get rid of Northern Ireland. Its only a matter of time. I'd say less than 10 years away. Britain would also provide for Northern Ireland .ie. Social Security ect until such a time the Republic can and will be able to manage all of its people North & South. The Social Welfare is crippled enough here in the south. This would have to change too. It will take time.But it will work under a new system. And all would be equal under this system of government.

If and When their is a united Ireland i cant see people from the north willing to pay nearly €600 to tax a 2.0 car on the cattle tracks we call roads or putting up with the rip off culture,Cost of motor insurance,Bank holidays every six weeks or the Euro.

OFDM

axtradub12 wrote:

A United Ireland is not very far away. Britain wants to get rid of Northern Ireland. Its only a matter of time. I'd say less than 10 years away.

ROTFLMAO.

I don't care who gets in next time so long as it's not any of the following:
PDs
Green Party
Socialist Party

Only thing is the first two not getting in essentially rules out all possible coalitions, unless the infamous FF/FG coalition of unlikely possibilities occurs.

axtradub12

Saturnine wrote:

If and When their is a united Ireland i cant see people from the north willing to pay nearly €600 to tax a 2.0 car on the cattle tracks we call roads or putting up with the rip off culture,Cost of motor insurance,Bank holidays every six weeks or the Euro.

All will be Equal in a UI, all will pay their equal share.

passive

and the roads will be paved with gold!

Tar.Aldarion

ireland is indeed the prophesised land of milk and honey.

Sandals

axtradub12 wrote:

And why don't more people go out and vote?Oh I should add that I hope Sinn Fein walks away with it

Why are you being sarcastic?

axtradub12

orla wrote:

Did Mary Harney tell you that herself? or are you just going by what you hear from the media?

Heard it through the grapevine

Time Magazine

Tar.Aldarion wrote:

the extra taxes would help out there

Sinn Féin are quoted as wanting 69% tax rates. Firstly, that would yield less revenue than 42% and Fianna Fáil would never go in with that.

And Sinn Féin will not have the numbers to go into government with FF. FF are gonna lose 10+ seats, SF don't have that.

And with regard the North, are you failing the respect the democratic voice of the people of the North? I'm a nationalist, but a democrat first. What's the difference between us usurping the DUP's democratic mandate and Britain re-invading?

Time Magazine

axtradub12 wrote:

[Re: The PD's not willing to go into Govt with FF]Heard it through the grapevine

Total bull****. They're very likely gonna lose between two and five seats at the GE, they'll be left with a couple of seats. They'll go in with anyone, if they exist after the GE. The PD's are also very nationalist. McDowell's grandad is one Eoin O'Neill, iirc.

Time Magazine

CaptainPeacock wrote:

Fianna Fáil know they'll have a reduced majority next time. The PDs won't be enough to make up an overall majority, and they know it. That's why they secretly had designs on a coalition with Labour. But that's out. I fear Fianna Fáil will still be there next time, with some ghastly combination of Independents or SF or, get this, The Greens. The Greens haven't committed themselves to FG/Labour, remember, nor have they ruled out FF.

I will give The Greens one thing, that they're probably the most honest party in Ireland. Even though FF (if the numbers added up, but that's unlikely) could offer them more power, they'd side with FG/Lab anyday ahead of Ahern/Cowan.

Tar.Aldarion

i implied nothing of the sort lol,i just said that after a while ireland could support the north too if it had to and that the money gap needed is not *that* big

axtradub12

Anyone heard of Ulster Nation going independent from Britain?

www.ulster-scots.co.uk

its all in here.

ninebeanrows

Oh great so your in favour of getting rid of a Government that has
brought Ireland through it's biggest development ever to replace
it with a group of killing, robbing thugs, the day Sinn Fein consume
rule of this country will be the same day i leave this country.

As for a United Ireland! Are you having a draf?? There wont be a united
Ireland for agees get it int your head more than 55% of Northern Irish people dont want a united Ireland to think that we could simply take control of
the North without violence is absurd and to be honest i wouldnt exactly
want a united Ireland it would cripple the country for years and bring
violence to our streets. Why not keep it the way it is now?? We can freely
drive up the north and go about business up there in peace and dont dream
of telling me i dont know what im talking about because im sure i've been
in NI more than you have.

Quit this childish rebellion and be happy for what you have; a booming
country, one of the richest in the world per head.

Rite we have problems with traffic and corruption but what other country
does not.

:cool:

rsynnott

Nightwish wrote:

i understand that but at this stage ANYTHING,(but sinn fein) would be a change for the best. the current government his stale, and on a personal note, i detest FF. I'm not a supporter of either FG or Labour, but Enda Kenny has done wonders for a party which crashed and burned at the last general election.
How would you suggest "the system" should be changed?

No, Christian Solidarity would be even worse than good old terror-tastic sinn fein.

I'd suggest that high-band taxes should be increased and public services (in particular health) be adequately funded; we currently have one of the lowest expenditures per capita on health in Europe.

OFDM

axtradub12 wrote:

All will be Equal in a UI, all will pay their equal share.

That sounds like communism.

SF economic policies suck tbh.

StupidLikeAFox

I think i should run the country tbh

Or DeVore, hes pretty good at running this site so how hard would the country be?

rancheros

Maurice Hickey for Taoiseach

OFDM

ColHol wrote:

Or DeVore, hes pretty good at running this site so how hard would the country be?

ecksor for Minister of Justice...

rsynnott

Weathercheck wrote:

Oh great so your in favour of getting rid of a Government that has
brought Ireland through it's biggest development ever to replace
it with a group of killing, robbing thugs, the day Sinn Fein consume
rule of this country will be the same day i leave this country.

While voting in the terrorist-supporters is obviously silly, it would be foolish to put Ireland's economic success down entirely to the Bertie-Mary government. And very foolish to suggest there's no room for improvement. At least get rid of Mary Coughlan

Stephen

axtradub12, how old are you? Your naivety is incredible. I seriously hope you're not old enough to vote.

SF1

Angry Banana wrote:

And Sinn Féin will not have the numbers to go into government with FF. FF are gonna lose 10+ seats, SF don't have that.

SF have five seats now, if the local & eu elections are anything to go by a SF-FF coalition could be .

rsynnott

SF1 wrote:

SF have five seats now, if the local & eu elections are anything to go by a SF-FF coalition could be.

Oh, how nice, Bertie and the terrorists. Why not throw in Christian Solidarity as well, might as well go for the VERY worst combination.

SF1

rsynnott wrote:

Oh, how nice, Bertie and the terrorists.

I think Bertie would have steped down by the next election .

Sandals

SF1 wrote:

SF have five seats now, if the local & eu elections are anything to go by a SF-FF coalition could be .

As if Fiana Fail wouldnt go anywhere near those killers

SF1

Sandals wrote:

As if Fiana Fail wouldnt go anywhere near those killers

Arent Fiana Fail the killers with the state of the hospitals.