make sure you get your stubs at oxegen

voxpop

Im sure you have all heard about the feasco last year, where the security were selling tickets they took off legimate concert goers. Basically the security are supposed to return the ticket stub to you when entering the concert/camp site. Last year some of them were keeping the whole ticket and then selling it on later. One security guy was caught with €2000 in cash on him.

Make sure you demand your stub and get the id of the guard that tried to keep the whole ticket - this sort of stuff needs to be stamped out!!

Mr Rivers

Whoa! I've never known ya could keep them, All Witnness' and last Oxegen they just took it all and I kept the wristbands...

Gonna definatly get it back this time!

whiskeyman

on a similar note...
I was at the Coldplay gig in Marley last week.
Like the previous gigs I was at in Marley (White Stripes / REM and The Frames last year), they used the handheld barcode scanning machines, and left the ticket stubs intact.
I wonder if you could go in... then go over to the fence perimeter on the other edge of the enclosed area and throw ur ticket over to a waiting (ticketless) friend... (seen on another thread how people were able to access the park close to the gig despite not having tickets).
Would be interesting.... I wonder if ticketmaster have considered this and take note of each serial entering and then have a control to make sure that ticket isnt scanned twice.
Eh, I dont condone such actions by the way.... just interested if anyone else thought about this

besty

i would imagine once the ticket has been scanned in once, it cannot be accepted again by the machince...

whiskeyman

besty wrote:

i would imagine once the ticket has been scanned in once, it cannot be accepted again by the machince...

yeah.. i would imagine the same... but...
Your ticket will be checked twice going in - the first is only a quick glance as they also check bags etc...
At the main enterence as they scan; lets just say yours isnt accepted by the machine.
If you want to play it, you can say "listen here...I've got the tickets still with stubs (valid) and a receipt... I've paid for this show and I demand to be let in... I dont care about your machine glitch!".
With a queue forming and people watching, I doubt some kid with a scanner is going to stop you.
Me thinks they should at least take the stub to prevent this happening, as scanning the barcode only really helps prevent forged tickets.

(note to self... when is the next gig in Marley? )

28064212

whiskeyman wrote:

on a similar note...
I was at the Coldplay gig in Marley last week.
Like the previous gigs I was at in Marley (White Stripes / REM and The Frames last year), they used the handheld barcode scanning machines, and left the ticket stubs intact.
I wonder if you could go in... then go over to the fence perimeter on the other edge of the enclosed area and throw ur ticket over to a waiting (ticketless) friend... (seen on another thread how people were able to access the park close to the gig despite not having tickets).

How would that work? The stub of the ticket is the large part left after it's torn. What Angry_Penguin means is that security were taking the whole ticket, instead of tearing it and giving you back the stub

whiskeyman

28064212 wrote:

How would that work? The stub of the ticket is the large part left after it's torn. What Angry_Penguin means is that security were taking the whole ticket, instead of tearing it and giving you back the stub

Read my original post.
I'm talking about a different possible fraud situation that can happen... and not about the Oxegen one Angry P was one about.
maybe I should have posted a nwe thread one this....

BrianD

whiskeyman wrote:

yeah.. i would imagine the same... but...
Your ticket will be checked twice going in - the first is only a quick glance as they also check bags etc...
At the main enterence as they scan; lets just say yours isnt accepted by the machine.
If you want to play it, you can say "listen here...I've got the tickets still with stubs (valid) and a receipt... I've paid for this show and I demand to be let in... I dont care about your machine glitch!".
With a queue forming and people watching, I doubt some kid with a scanner is going to stop you.
Me thinks they should at least take the stub to prevent this happening, as scanning the barcode only really helps prevent forged tickets.

(note to self... when is the next gig in Marley? )

To which they would say... take it up with ticketmaster. Their van is over thataway! The barcode readers are here to stay. The next step is that you will be printing your own ticket with barcode at home and bringing it with you to be scanned so the ticket stub issue will be irrelevant. Therefore, if a ticket is rejected by the scanner it will be the thing that stops you.

Bluetonic

BrianD wrote:

TThe next step is that you will be printing your own ticket with barcode at home and bringing it with you to be scanned so the ticket stub issue will be irrelevant. Therefore, if a ticket is rejected by the scanner it will be the thing that stops you.

Aren't a couple of the private bus companies which run out of/via Dublin airport using this technology already. You buy the ticket on line and provide a mobile phone number which has multimedia facilities and the ticket is sent to you in the form of a barcode on your ticket. The "screen/barcode" is then scanned on entry to the bus.

The worrying thing is its quite easy to replicate a barcode (as seen on tickets for sale on ebay). PDF Barcode would be more secure.

Tha Gopher

Good luck to the security men doing it, id be doin the same if I had the chance. If you get a situation like that you use it! Its a massive open space, not a stadium or indoor venue (generally), I really dont think someone selling on a handful of tickets will contribute to a disaster crowd control wise. Id be doin that scam myself if I could


Haha one of my mates is working security this year

*demands seized drink and drug freebies*

I remember on the Sunday afternoon last year a pile of security men in their jackets in the dance arena off their tits

28064212

BrianD wrote:

The next step is that you will be printing your own ticket with barcode at home and bringing it with you to be scanned so the ticket stub issue will be irrelevant. Therefore, if a ticket is rejected by the scanner it will be the thing that stops you.

Bluetonic wrote:

The worrying thing is its quite easy to replicate a barcode (as seen on tickets for sale on ebay). PDF Barcode would be more secure.

Uhmmmm... They already have started doing this for some gigs. Alison Krauss in September for one. See the information page.

whiskeyman wrote:

Read my original post.
I'm talking about a different possible fraud situation that can happen... and not about the Oxegen one Angry P was one about.
maybe I should have posted a nwe thread one this....

Oh ok, completely misread this. But no, it won't let the same ticket in twice (see info page above)

28064212

Tha Gopher wrote:

Good luck to the security men doing it, id be doin the same if I had the chance. If you get a situation like that you use it! Its a massive open space, not a stadium or indoor venue (generally), I really dont think someone selling on a handful of tickets will contribute to a disaster crowd control wise.

It definitely would in the campsites where demand is biggest. Even a couple of hundred could fúck it up. There's little enough space as it is, never mind the extra demand on "facilities".

BrianD

Bluetonic wrote:

The worrying thing is its quite easy to replicate a barcode (as seen on tickets for sale on ebay). PDF Barcode would be more secure.

I'm sure every barcode can be copied. However, as each barcode is unique to a ticket then if more than one ticket with the same code is presented then the system will only accept the first ticket and reject the others. I agree that a pdf may be more secure. Also if they are delivering bar codes to a mobile phone they could put them in a format so they can't be forwarded on.

Bluetonic

28064212 wrote:

Uhmmmm... They already have started doing this for some gigs. Alison Krauss in September for one. See the information page. Oh ok, completely misread this. But no, it won't let the same ticket in twice (see info page above)

I didn't mean PDF as in a PDF document being sent to the ticket buyer whereby they must print it out, I meant a PDF (PDF417 http://www.idautomation.com/pdf417faq.html) barcode being sent to a mobile phone which in turn can be scanned. PDF Barcodes are secure two dimensional barcodes used to store more than conventional barcdoes and are near on impossible to copy.

The PDF417 barcode can be encoded to pair it with a mobile phone so it can't be transfered without 3rd party involvement

voxpop

Tha Gopher wrote:

Good luck to the security men doing it, id be doin the same if I had the chance. If you get a situation like that you use it! Its a massive open space, not a stadium or indoor venue (generally), I really dont think someone selling on a handful of tickets will contribute to a disaster crowd control wise. Id be doin that scam myself if I could


Haha one of my mates is working security this year

*demands seized drink and drug freebies*

I remember on the Sunday afternoon last year a pile of security men in their jackets in the dance arena off their tits

bit of a scummer arent you :rolleyes:

Burago

I'm counting on the people who don't read boards to not ask for their stubs back. I've no ticket and will gladly hand over cash to some kindly security professional for a camping wristband!:D

Once you get in why do you care what happens to your stub?

voxpop

there is a limit to the amount of tickets for a reason, its not just some random number picked out of the sky.

@Burago
Why didnt you just buy your ticket whey the were on sale ??

dawballz

There was a thread on the oxegen forum from the forum moderator(mhoram).
Loads of people were complaining, so this is the solution MCD and the security guards are taking:
Give your ticket, the steward rips up the whole ticket in front of you. You get your wristband.
It's acceptable for me anyway.
I think the security guards will all have id badges too, unlike previous years.


Burago; you should've bought your ticket in time. You had over 5 months.
They're porbably still on Ebay. If you have to pay 250EUR for it this year I guarantee you will get it in time next year.