Irish Players and WoW! Please Read

Nema

Hello,

I was just wondering if any of the irish player have Done all of MC kill reg and so on!

I want to see what the Level of skill the irish are at!

Me my self i have killed everyone and everything im one of the best warriors on any server! With Nearly full Might and wrath set + Drill and Qul!

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Also what do you think of the game now that BG is out and
what you think of BWL ?

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Are all the irish on EU servers or are some on USA server like my self!?

If so what servers are you on, im on WarSong USA my self plus Mannoroth server were my Priest and Hunter are!

Thanks for reading

FOR THE IRISH :P

RotalicaV

Nema wrote:

Me my self i have killed everyone and everything im one of the best warriors on any server!

But i bet you don't have a girlfriend..

Fenster

I'm on Arthas, its a US server. My guild has killed Ony and everything in MC bar Ragnaros. I miss most of the raids though, due to work and timezone.

Funky

Nema wrote:

If so what servers are you on, im on WarSong USA my self plus Mannoroth server were my Priest and Hunter are!

Wtf who are you?

I play on Warsong US too!
I'm Euseka, an officer in Midnight.

BArra

hmmm


whats the name of your char on Warsong US Nema ?

joe.

Play on Zenedar server. Have killed everything in MC bar Ragnaros. Have gotten Onyxia to 61%(not enough people with key yet). Getting bored with the game very quickly and am thinking of jacking it all in.

Funky

Ohh and my on-topic reply is, personally I've killed everyone bar Rag and Kazzak, but my guild has done everyone except Rag(i heart drama).

Memnoch

Well till yesterday I was GM of denied. We are a european guild on Bladefist, a euro server. We've been the first on the server to kill every single raid boss in the game, starting with kazzak and azuregos and including onyxia and ALL of MC (including rag ofc).

Teethy and Quozl are also important members of the guild. Teethy is basically 2nd in command now since I stepped down as GM

So the irish are doing pretty well i'd say!

Vikings

And I hit level 48 yesterday. Big up to me.

Dustaz

None of you have killed the new Rag yet tho

Theres about 4 or 5 irish guys in Proeliatoris, an alliance guild on the same server as Denied. Weve cleared all of MC except the new Rag and are now concentrating on the other raid bosses weve ignored up till now

Memnoch

ah well I haven't played much the last two weeks and i'm PROBABLY going to quit wow. From what I remember though, it's basically that denied haven't bothered working on the new rag. Basically because we already killed rag, so yes it's new and different and all that but the first rag kill will always be that. I think they've made 1 serious attempt so far and learned a lot of the encounter, i'm sure they will kill him soon him, but they aren't too pushed from what I can tell.

Caliden

well considering the old rag was no more than a dps zergfest, it didnt involve that much skill -_-
but with rag v3.0 its a different story

Memnoch

well it's interesting you say that, since we only used 5 rogues on him, so no we didn't do a dps zergfest thing, but it's nice ppl stuff like that without knowing things. But hey thats okay green suits you fine, wear it more often

Dustaz

Translation: "we cant kill the new rag yet either, but when we do well post it and claim another server first!"

Caliden

baited?

Memnoch

Dustaz wrote:

Translation: "we cant kill the new rag yet either, but when we do well post it and claim another server first!"

nice trolling from the newb that kept crying about getting owned repeatedly on a PvP server.

Dustaz

Memnoch wrote:

nice trolling from the newb that kept crying about getting owned repeatedly on a PvP server.

Hit a nerve there? The fact that complaining about a flawed honour pvp system has nothing to do with a pve encounter enter your mind?

nvm, Youll get him eventually. As will we. As will any guild raiding mc enough.

Funky

Still waiting for a response, Nema. And considering I know for a fact almost all of the best kitted Warriors, bar Barra are not Irish... I'm wondering who exactly you are.

Playboy

The measure of a good player is how well he performs in PvP .. not on how many raid bosses he kills or how uber his armour is

Memnoch

Dustaz wrote:

Hit a nerve there? The fact that complaining about a flawed honour pvp system has nothing to do with a pve encounter enter your mind?

nvm, Youll get him eventually. As will we. As will any guild raiding mc enough.

I won't get him, since i've kinda quit playing my mage and haven't played it for two weeks. I'm sure denied will get him though. I'm also sure every other guild will get him eventually, as will pick up groups.
Still your endless whinging doesn't change the fact that werd/denied were the first guild on the server to beat every single raid boss thus far. Obviously this is some sort of sore point with you, but then not everyone can be the best, and I guess sometimes you gotta learn to be able to deal with it.

Memnoch

Playboy wrote:

The measure of a good player is how well he performs in PvP .. not on how many raid bosses he kills or how uber his armour is

It's pretty cool actually. When we were killing all the raid bosses first this is exactly the kinda tripe affliction were spamming all the time, "denied are a PvE guild, lets wait for BG's etc." Yet when they finally managed to kill something in MC, they all ran into IRC to brag about it (well done one month late affliction), and the same when they got onyxia. Such is often the hypocrisy of people who spew this kind of nonsense.
Off course it just so happened that we also happened to do pretty damn well in PvP as well, as well as BG's (when we actually manage to get in)

Killing raid bosses requires organisation, and weather some ppl like it or not that's one of the "measures" of success in an MMORPG. Just like being first to level 60 counts for something. First of all this isn't counter strike, or quake, it's an MMORPG, and thus the achievements by which guilds/players are ranked include defeating raid bosses.

In reality there is very little "skill" involved in MMORPGs. There is more to them then just pointing and clicking fast. Having good micro is definately an asset, but there are numerous other features that are important when it comes to being a "good" player. Team work on a large scale is one of these.

ofc you're very welcome to your view that killing raid bosses means nothing, but there are lots of players who play wow that would disagree with you on that.

Dustaz

Memnoch wrote:

Still your endless whinging doesn't change the fact that werd/denied were the first guild on the server to beat every single raid boss thus far. Obviously this is some sort of sore point with you, but then not everyone can be the best, and I guess sometimes you gotta learn to be able to deal with it.

lol. I dont have any problem with someone else being 'the best' (Nice assumption). I just found it increasingly hillarious how denied would feed their ego on a regular and constant basis:

We've been the first on the server to kill every single raid boss in the game, starting with kazzak and azuregos and including onyxia and ALL of MC (including rag ofc).

Great example right there. ALL of mc. ALL. Comepensating much?

Caliden

did Ancient Helm of Ego drop in MC or something?
equip: gives the wearer ego +100

get over yourself

DapperGent

What was that Henry Kissinger said about college politics?

quozl

We did Rag the hard way, with poor dps and too many healers. Our guild has a surplus of lvl 60 priests and had almost no rogues. Makes a change from US release at least.

We've killed everything in the game and I think Memnoch is right and now's a good time to stop. Because once BWL is released people will start wanting to raid 7 nights a week to make sure they're the first to kill everything again.

And really, what's the point? It's a challenge but there'll always be a new bigger mob added soon and I don't think the satisfaction is worth the time invested.

Quozl

Funky

I've heard BWL is only a 4 hour(ish) encounter though. Whereas MC was intended to last a few days.

quozl

Funky wrote:

I've heard BWL is only a 4 hour(ish) encounter though. Whereas MC was intended to last a few days.

actually that would be very cool. MC requires too much time. I thought BWL was going to be MC but harder, I'd really enjoy a harder but shorter raid zone.

The 10 man Zul'Gurub may be cool when it comes out, plus a whole lot easier for smaller guilds to get a raid organsied for.

adnans

and still Nema doesn't reply. haha

-adnans

Drakar

There really is a Nema? I thought that was a login someone made up to see could we get a flame going...

Funky

Yeah Quozl I'd definitely prefer a shorter raid to MC, and if it's true that BWL is that short I'd imagine it's gonna be REALLY hard considering all tier 2 bar the helms drop there o_O

I'm kinda thinking Nema was either someone Barra and I know trying to troll :P

Or some kid who just got caught out heh

koneko

Yeah, it reeks of troll, or could just be someone polishing their e-penis. Either way, the whole thing is pretty sad.

Drakar

koneko wrote:

... someone polishing their e-penis

Excellent. That's going right beside "You cyber hurt my e-feelings".

TheDoc

WoW skill is nothing to do with what level you or or how far you have porgressed in the game. Any dumb ass can kick the crap outa mobs.

Skill is measured in pvp. I'm not saying I'm good, but I have never met an alliance 1v1 that beat me my level, well i cant remember. I dont duel alot against my fellow horde but id say im about a 60-40 win rate.

Skill is measured in your pvp skills, no Shamen players are skilled cause they are imbalanced and it is wow community knowledge, but people who find ways of beatings shamens have some skillz.

quozl

[DM]-TheDOC- wrote:

Skill is measured in your pvp skills, no Shamen players are skilled cause they are imbalanced and it is wow community knowledge, but people who find ways of beatings shamens have some skillz.

I hope you post on the Blizzard forums too, they desperately need your insight.

BArra

haha

TheDoc

haha.

I think every shamen has to admit they are seriously overpowered in PvP. I am not a mega whiner like on blizzard, cause sure I'm horde so i never fight alliance shamens =D Better with them then against, and I have recently worked my strats of beating paladins and rogues.

But you have to admit that shamens are a little bit imba, they have healing abilities matched by only priests, can tank,can cast, mega useful totems, super melee dmg, big hitpoints,can shift into different shapes that allow different abilities like. Hehe they are all round ownage summed up in a recent fraps video "Life of the pally"

Memnoch

[DM]-TheDOC- wrote:

haha.

I think every shamen has to admit they are seriously overpowered in PvP. I am not a mega whiner like on blizzard, cause sure I'm horde so i never fight alliance shamens =D Better with them then against, and I have recently worked my strats of beating paladins and rogues.

But you have to admit that shamens are a little bit imba, they have healing abilities matched by only priests, can tank,can cast, mega useful totems, super melee dmg, big hitpoints,can shift into different shapes that allow different abilities like. Hehe they are all round ownage summed up in a recent fraps video "Life of the pally"

this mega post has convinced of the need to nerf the overpowered imba shamans in PvP because they can like mega tank ragnaros

Funky

Shaman are pretty balanced, with the frost shock FIX(not nerf whining horde) I think the only thing left to change is the cooldown on earthbind totems.

Ivan

Druids own shamen, for healing.
And in some respects they are better than priests...

In fact, druids own shamen, period.

Dustaz

Ivan wrote:

In fact, druids own shamen, period.

A druid cant outnuke a shaman, or out-melee a shaman. After playing both, id say that a shaman owns a druid. Period. (Although i have to admit i didnt play a shaman up to the level that people say that they start to drop off a little, after lvl 50? ).

Now that the second biggest rogue issue has been dealt with (stun a drinking caster = guarenteed crits for at least 5 seconds - "LOL LEARN TO PLAY UR CLASS AND DONT DRINK LOL ITS WAT ROUGES DO LOL") and the biggest rogue imbalance will not be dealt with (ud rogues), Shaman are next for some tweaking imo. They should not be able to nuke to the degree they can and still have the melee abilities they have. What really annoys me though is the thousand little perks they get from other classes. They already have decent casting, healing and melee and the totems which provide most of the functionality of the paladin blessings and yet they get versions of druids travel form and Natures swiftness, warlocks soulstone (on self), priests mind vision, semi stealth (ok, im reaching with that one) and even a second hearthstone. This stuff might not make them imbalanced pvpwise, but its really annoying to see how much the devs favor them They need a slight nerf, but not as much as paladins need a serious buff.

quozl

Dustaz wrote:

A druid cant outnuke a shaman, or out-melee a shaman. After playing both, id say that a shaman owns a druid. Period. (Although i have to admit i didnt play a shaman up to the level that people say that they start to drop off a little, after lvl 50? ).

That's not how druids win. They keep beating on your while they heal themselves. Then if their mana gets a bit low they go bear form and beat on you some more while their mana regens. A shamans melee dmg against the huge AC of dire bear form is not that impressive. If their health goes a bit low in bear form they use frenzied regeneration. Then when their mana is maxed again they go back to caster and heal themselves. And so on, and so on till you die of old bloody age. They also have NS if they need an instant heal and the godly innervate (although that's useless vs shaman as they should purge it).

A shaman's nukes are ineffecient, fighting a druid they have to spend that mana healing themselves as the druids heals are hugely more effecient than a shamans nukes. They also don't have the burst dmg they'd need to drop a druid from medium health to dead before they can heal themselves.

So basically, a druid doesn't out-nuke or-out melee a shaman. He out-lasts him. And should do so pretty easily. Not that I think druids need nerfing either, I just think they're currently one of the best pvp class.

TheDoc

I have full confidence in Blizzard. After playing warcraft 3 for years they always balance things right. It just takes time.

Ivan

quozl wrote:

That's not how druids win. They keep beating on your while they heal themselves. Then if their mana gets a bit low they go bear form and beat on you some more while their mana regens. A shamans melee dmg against the huge AC of dire bear form is not that impressive. If their health goes a bit low in bear form they use frenzied regeneration. Then when their mana is maxed again they go back to caster and heal themselves. And so on, and so on till you die of old bloody age. They also have NS if they need an instant heal and the godly innervate (although that's useless vs shaman as they should purge it).

A shaman's nukes are ineffecient, fighting a druid they have to spend that mana healing themselves as the druids heals are hugely more effecient than a shamans nukes. They also don't have the burst dmg they'd need to drop a druid from medium health to dead before they can heal themselves.

So basically, a druid doesn't out-nuke or-out melee a shaman. He out-lasts him. And should do so pretty easily. Not that I think druids need nerfing either, I just think they're currently one of the best pvp class.

Couldnt of said it better myself...

well actually, you can keep a shaman permanently rooted and kill him with moonfire or wrath, if your so inclined. Big deal, he earthshocks and you take the time to get in a quick heal. Then you have natures grasp for the time he does get close enough to melee,
Once he's OOM, you bear form for the win.
Shaman are easy prey

Dustaz

Yeh, i know exactly how a druid fights having played one to 60. Sorry the confusion lies in my statement 'shaman owns druid'. I mean the shaman class is just plain better and more fun. Druids will win almost every 1v1 in the game (i remember warlocks and shadow priests being difficult) but tend to be not as usefull in group pvp.

NeoSlicerZ

I had a 10 minute fight with a druid... longest fight ever, ended running him oom (devoured his inervate), me on 30% hp and 10% mana, and he running away in travel form

Playboy

Memnoch wrote:

It's pretty cool actually. When we were killing all the raid bosses first this is exactly the kinda tripe affliction were spamming all the time, "denied are a PvE guild, lets wait for BG's etc." Yet when they finally managed to kill something in MC, they all ran into IRC to brag about it (well done one month late affliction), and the same when they got onyxia. Such is often the hypocrisy of people who spew this kind of nonsense.
Off course it just so happened that we also happened to do pretty damn well in PvP as well, as well as BG's (when we actually manage to get in)

Killing raid bosses requires organisation, and weather some ppl like it or not that's one of the "measures" of success in an MMORPG. Just like being first to level 60 counts for something. First of all this isn't counter strike, or quake, it's an MMORPG, and thus the achievements by which guilds/players are ranked include defeating raid bosses.

In reality there is very little "skill" involved in MMORPGs. There is more to them then just pointing and clicking fast. Having good micro is definately an asset, but there are numerous other features that are important when it comes to being a "good" player. Team work on a large scale is one of these.

ofc you're very welcome to your view that killing raid bosses means nothing, but there are lots of players who play wow that would disagree with you on that.

Most of the time when dealing with PvE encounters you are dealing with predictable outcomes. PvE requires you to pay attention and do your job. PvP is a different matter, you have to think on your feet and deal with any number of outcomes or attacks ... the best players will always be easily noticed by how they perform in PvP. If you want to believe something like being the first to get to 60 or killing a raid boss means you are a skilled player then that’s fine but it doesn’t make it true, all they require is time, numbers and organization.

quozl

Playboy wrote:

If you want to believe something like being the first to get to 60 or killing a raid boss means you are a skilled player then that’s fine but it doesn’t make it true, all they require is time, numbers and organization.

I agree that PvP is one of the main areas players can demonstrate their skill.
However it also seems obvious to me that if there's a number of large guilds (both alliance and horde) all trying to killing the same raid bosses then there must be some skill involved in the fact that one guild is always first.

It can't just be time involved as god knows all the big guilds on bladefist have stupid amounts of time to spend on the game. There has to be a large element of skill involved in how much faster some guilds can learn and counter a (admittedly once learned predictable) PvE encounter.

I'm not claiming PvE is THE way to judge player skill, obviously it isn't. However dismissing it as totally skill-less is a bit silly.

I hope this isn't taken as a "Guild X rocks" post. It's simple meant to be a reply to the , to my mind, silly statements that PvE does not require significant skill while learning new encounters.

Playboy

When an encounter is done for the first time then yes the raid leader can usually be described as having a certain amount of skill .. but after that "how to do the encounter" is all over the net and it only requires participants to follow someone else's strategy.

Take for instance doing Caer Sidi or the dragon on albion DAoC .. have done most of the encounters with 1fg or less .. doesnt take skill .. just that you have people who pay attention and have got a lot of time on their hands.

Funky

I have to agree with Playboy in this. There's no encounter in WoW that hasn't multiple guides written about it already. For example on the US server I play on the top raiding guild BY FAR are a standing joke to the rest of the community because they're a zerg guild led by someone who just drills the encounter's procedure into them and they just do it over and over until they get good at it. Sure I envy the dedication they put to PvE. BUT they got caught up in thinking they were the best, got challenged to a 5v5 for 1000g and got SLAUGHTERED. Even with all their phat loot they were awful players.

Now I'm not saying Denied at like this I have no idea what any Euro guilds are like, but this is a clear example on how you can't judge players skill by their PvE success.

DRakE

hey bern level my priest on bladefist, accounts paid up and everything

Funky

Ewww leveling another priest would kill me. Gimi your account and I'll level an undead lock :P