Revolution

sprinkles

WN: The Revolution's controller wasn't shown, but there has been a lot of speculation as to what special functionality it will have. Can you tell us about that?

Miyamoto: Nintendo is always trying to be on the forefront of control innovations, like the analog stick, rumble or wireless. As soon as these are available, our competitors snatch them up.

Because the user interface is going to drive the Revolution software design, that's what's going to make our software stand out. Nobody else is going to be able to do what we do with next-generation game software. So, I can't reveal anything. It's under wraps because it's the big gun.


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grimloch

Good god I am curious as to what they have up their sleeve.

Retr0gamer

It's not even complete yet according to miyamoto. i'd like to know what they are up to.

iregk

I have to say, im not a fan of any console persay but I have had my fill of Sony BS so I'm pretty much ignoring them. But all the fury of the MS -v- Sony battle for some reason Nintendo despite saying and showing nothing have me intrigued!

Is it the oldsaying, the power of what you dont show? All the little rumblings here and there of Nintendo and the secrecy has me gagging for more information. For some reason I think (and i may be wrong) Nintendo are going to steal the show! Sony and MS have been killing each other the past 2 months and have practically ignored Ninty that I think they could have the best machine in the bunch.

With every console nintendo have been in innovators, they always come up with at least 1 new fresh original idea per console and this one must have something incredible.

Steven

A fiver says it's touchscreen technology controllers. This fiver, however, has been known to make baseless and sometimes ridiculous statements before, so I'll wait until it's announced or someone from Nintendo sells some pics to the press.

monument

iregk wrote:

I have to say, im not a fan of any console persay but I have had my fill of Sony BS so I'm pretty much ignoring them. But all the fury of the MS -v- Sony battle for some reason Nintendo despite saying and showing nothing have me intrigued!

With MS's "gateway to gaming Zen", "beyond real", and remarks along the same lines, Sony's bull is nothing.

rainbow kirby

I think every company can spout quite enough BS when it wants to. But Microsoft are especially bad.

Ciaran500

rainbow kirby wrote:

But Microsoft are especially bad.

You have to be kidding me, Sony are the king of spouting technical BS.

Back on topic. I think the revolution controllers will be something we have seen before on games machines but either wasn't well made or died due to lack of software support.

iregk

I reckon its the apple simplicity model coupled with old sckool atari styling.

Black rubber joystick and 1 orange button only wireless!!!!

Ri_Nollaig

"the analog stick, rumble or wireless" did nintendo actually come up with those ideas? i do remember first seen the analog sitck on the N64 controller and having a rumble pack. But are they keeping it under wraps causes there is nothing to show yet or do they really have an innovative controller? Did anyone else see the VR headset typething that people though was going to be the next nintendo?
also on another note ALL the next gen consoles will have wireless controllers but what is going to charge them? rechargeable batterys? AAA?

grimloch

I don't think a VR headset is feasible because of its cost. I believe I heard the batteries on controllers will be rechargable, plug the controller in at night and its grand or something along those lines.

Retr0gamer

It's been confirmed that the microsoft ones will take 3 AA batteries. I'd rather if they had a rechargable docking bay because changing batteries or recharging them is a right pain.

flogen

nah guys, you've got it all wrong, it's going to be a chip implanted in your face so you can control the games through thought alone. Fact.

On the topic of marketting BS, MS are as bad as Sony it's just that Sony know how to play the game better, MS are still learning (hence the whole Zen crap.)

Ciaran500

MS have shown a lithum battery pack for their controller. You can charge the controller by just plugging them into the USB ports.

1huge1

yea i'd say the wireless controllers from sony and ms will be the same as nintendo's wavebird

grimloch

Rechargable ones would be nice,until it goes at some inconvienant stage.

I like the wireless idea because the amount of times my PS2 has nearly ended up on the floor because the wire gets tangled in my foot when i jump up to get the phone is worringly high.

Ri_Nollaig

yeah i would have assumed they were going to have some kinda rechargeable battery would be stupid otherwise really but i wonder will this add much to the weight? have u ever held a orginal ps1 controller after using the ps2 for ages the weight difference! guess you get used to it

Rhyme

Ive always been partial to controllers with wires... wireless doesnt incite me to buy, my tv's too small anyway. But the new controller is going to have to incorporate influence from the NES, SNES and N64. Id kill for for one of those GC Hori pads Snes-esque.

TheAlmightyArse

Nintendo's lastest handhelds have had rechargable batteries as standard and are, handily, handheld. The SP particularly, feels lighter than a baby duck. So I can't see there being any problem there.

flogen

Ciaran500 wrote:

MS have shown a lithum battery pack for their controller. You can charge the controller by just plugging them into the USB ports.

If I'm not mistaken (and God knows I could be), you and retro are kind of right. I think the controllers will ship initially with AAA batteries that need to be changed, but a lithium battery pack will follow close behind, maybe some kind of cost cutting measure, but I don't think lithium batteries are THAT expensive.

monument

flogen wrote:

On the topic of marketting BS, MS are as bad as Sony it's just that Sony know how to play the game better, MS are still learning (hence the whole Zen crap.)

Yeah, Sony comes out as kings of marketing; MS’s current BS streak has just got my priority - well, for a start, it is current, it is new, it is fecking extremely annoying, and it stands out from the annoyingness the three console makers share in one way or another.

stevenmu

The whole thing reminds me of that epsisode of the simpsons where the mafia and the triads were fighting out on the law, and little guy in the white suit just stands there doing nothing, and you just know he's going to do something amazing.

Tusky

Ri_Nollaig wrote:

"the analog stick, rumble or wireless" did nintendo actually come up with those ideas? i do remember first seen the analog sitck on the N64 controller and having a rumble pack. But are they keeping it under wraps causes there is nothing to show yet or do they really have an innovative controller? Did anyone else see the VR headset typething that people though was going to be the next nintendo?
also on another note ALL the next gen consoles will have wireless controllers but what is going to charge them? rechargeable batterys? AAA?

they also came up with shoulder buttons.

Ri_Nollaig

yeah nintendo have always been the ones to come up with new ideas (good or bad) probably the reason they have a such huge loyal fanbase

iregk

Well I think to be fair, now I have never been a Nintendo boy or fan and said on other forums I never got into any of their games but I have huge respect and admiration for them.

We may own Xbox's and PS2's but in our heart of hearts we all like Nintendo for the fact that they come out with new and strange things. MS and Sony play safe, same controllers safe looking design etc... Ninty constantly change things and actually have the balls to be different.

Hugh Hefner

stevenmu wrote:

The whole thing reminds me of that epsisode of the simpsons where the mafia and the triads were fighting out on the law, and little guy in the white suit just stands there doing nothing, and you just know he's going to do something amazing.

Hahahahaha! You're so right!


And I don't think your controler powering off at an inconveinient time will be a problem cos there'll probably be a light showing that you have 1 hour's power left or something, like on the GBAs/DS.

evad_lhorg

not real i know but funny lookin. id say the controller will be shown at Spaceworld or the tokyo games show.

CiDeRmAn

Doubtless whatever controller they come up with it won't be enough for the slavering masses who only want their next sony fix. Ignorant of the genius of Nintendo they will lap up the massmarket tripe and ignore the brilliant ability of Nintendo to produce the best games on the planet. Ok, maybe nothing like GTA but hey, the PS owners have to have something to crow about.
Lets take a hit out on the Game employees who will contribute to the marketplace death of the next Nintendo, as they have to the current one, the people who spout much rubbish about the PS2 and Xbox and, no doubt, are being primed by the Sony and Microsoft reps to do it al over again.
What a bunch of morons.
How I hate them.

Dagnir Glaurung

What are the odds Nintendo have no new big innovation and only fed us this line to give them more time to think of one while grabbing people's interest and not being completely swept aside by the Sony and Microsoft hype machine?

flogen

CiDeRmAn wrote:

Lets take a hit out on the Game employees who will contribute to the marketplace death of the next Nintendo, as they have to the current one, the people who spout much rubbish about the PS2 and Xbox and, no doubt, are being primed by the Sony and Microsoft reps to do it al over again.
What a bunch of morons.
How I hate them.

What? This has been mulled over a thousand times, shops stock what makes money. Nintendo are now in a catch 22 where their products dont perform as well, so they get less coverage, so they perform even worse.
Do you think your average game employee decides what stock goes where? I can tell you that the Store and Regional managers dont even decide that.

rainbow kirby

CiDeRmAn wrote:

Lets take a hit out on the Game employees who will contribute to the marketplace death of the next Nintendo, as they have to the current one, the people who spout much rubbish about the PS2 and Xbox and, no doubt, are being primed by the Sony and Microsoft reps to do it al over again.
What a bunch of morons.
How I hate them.

/me uses MIGHTY DEATHGLARE O'DOOM on you.
Flogen speaks the truth.

TheAlmightyArse

No excuse. There's nothing stopping you from mutiny.

rainbow kirby

And you don't think that I push warm Nintendo vibes onto every person who approaches my till?

Draupnir

Surely one of the companies will come up with a buttonless controller, one thats just a touch sensitive pad type thing. Be a lot cleaner, plus youd never get any bogey buttons.

As an aside, didnt Nintendo dream up triggers on the back of their controllers too, for the N64?

Retr0gamer

Dagnir Glaurung wrote:

What are the odds Nintendo have no new big innovation and only fed us this line to give them more time to think of one while grabbing people's interest and not being completely swept aside by the Sony and Microsoft hype machine?

The fact that even Miyamoto has stated that the joypad hasn't been finalised suggests that you could well be right.

As an aside, didnt Nintendo dream up triggers on the back of their controllers too, for the N64?

Yes they did and was a brilliant idea. It's a shame that not even nintendo followed the idea up. It was fantastic for fps games since squeezing a trigger in goldeneye was infinitely for satisfying than squeezing a shoulder button in Halo or MOH.

Draupnir

You dont use shoulder buttons in Halo

Xbox controllers have triggers.

sprinkles

Retr0gamer wrote:

The fact that even Miyamoto has stated that the joypad hasn't been finalised suggests that you could well be right.



Yes they did and was a brilliant idea. It's a shame that not even nintendo followed the idea up. It was fantastic for fps games since squeezing a trigger in goldeneye was infinitely for satisfying than squeezing a shoulder button in Halo or MOH.

shoulder buttons - snes
Rubmle pack, analogue stick, trigger buttons - N64
Touche Screen - DS
Handheld link - GC + GBA/GBSP
Wireless Controller - GC

Hmmmm innovations in controller design by Sony/MS

eh......... giant unconfortable controller - Xbox (all right they fixed it)
and.....umm.......(imo) stupidly placed analogue sticks - Playstation 2

Now I own all 3 and I have to admitt I am a fan of ninty but only because they try different thinkgs (and they produce zelda and mariokart :-))

I mean look at the ds, cheap and fun. What more do you want. I'll buy an ipod if I want to play music, I'd prefer to watch movies on my tv at home (a sony one :-)) and if it comes down to gameplay how can you beat the likes of warioware touched and mariokart with touch screen. Sorry if this sounds fanboyish, I am currently addicted to my xbox apart from the daily PES sessions on the PS2 but you have to admitt that Ninty are at the forfront of inovation and that alone is getting me all excited when they throw around words like revolution when talking about their new controller.

Draupnir

giant unconfortable controller - Xbox

cant agree with that one sprinkles, i can only use my large Xbox pad and im still upset that ya cant buy them anywhere anymore. small hands are the problem rather than giant pad.

BloodBath

Your not exactly right there sprinkles, sony and microsoft had touch sensitive buttons on their pads. That was an innovation. I personally prefer the smaller x-box pad to any other tbh with the cube ones coming a close second.

sprinkles

Yes... us humans are cursed with our puny hands

each to their own i suppose but my general point was that they didn't bring anything new to the table. They just rehashed what was there already, whcih was the safe option.

Retr0gamer

BloodBath wrote:

Your not exactly right there sprinkles, sony and microsoft had touch sensitive buttons on their pads. That was an innovation. I personally prefer the smaller x-box pad to any other tbh with the cube ones coming a close second.

Yep, an innovation by Sega on the shoulder buttons on the Dreamcast.

Innovations by Sony: Play catch up to Nintendo by lumping 2 analogue sticks on to an already uncomfortable pad.

Innovations by Microsoft: Playing thumb twister to reach the black and white buttons.

Less of the sarcasm. Microsoft did give us an excellent console on-line service and Sony, although not always successful, have brought out quite a few niche games from their in house teams and gave us the Eyetoy which seemed to get Nintendo in a tizzy.

As for the shoulder triggers for Halo, they are nice and all but the thing about the N64 pad was that you held it like a gun.

steviec

sprinkles wrote:

shoulder buttons - snes
Rubmle pack, analogue stick, trigger buttons - N64
Touche Screen - DS
Handheld link - GC + GBA/GBSP
Wireless Controller - GC

Yea but most of them were around on PC first. And touch screen isn't all that different to a mouse. It's debatable how much of a contribution some of those things have made too. Handheld link for one is little more than a money spinner.

Also you can attribute Eyetoy(also out on PC first btw), analogue buttons(ditto), the use of optical discs(not exactly innovative but had a bigger impact on what games could do than rumble packs or wireless controllers or handheld links ever could) to Sony.

And X-Box live and everything that goes along with it to Microsoft.

And next gen we see everyone doing wireless, Nintendo playing up their online service, PS3/PSP connectivity, MS having an eyetoy device, everyone's just taking everyone else's best ideas. Its not like eveybody is copying Nintendo.

Considering Nintendo have been in this business a lot longer than Sony and Sony have been in it longer than Microsoft thats a fairly even distribution of each manufacturers contribution to gaming I think.

steviec

Retr0gamer wrote:

Yep, an innovation by Sega on the shoulder buttons on the Dreamcast.

Damn you mentioning the Saturn(and reminding me of the Mega CD) and negating half of what I just said about Sony... Well.. Sony made analogue buttons and optical discs mainstream so, yeah.

Citizen_Erased

Link up ? Money spinner? I do not at all see your reasons for this , in my opinion this is what makes those great , second to there portability. Really , I wouldnt own an sp or a great number of my games if they werent linkable.

steviec

Citizen_Erased wrote:

Link up ? Money spinner? I do not at all see your reasons for this , in my opinion this is what makes those great , second to there portability. Really , I wouldnt own an sp or a great number of my games if they werent linkable.

I was referring to the quote about GBA-GC link up as opposed to GBA-GBA link up. Silly little additions to games, or withholding parts of the game that should be readily available to try and encourage you to buy the portable version aswell. That's the money spinner.

Linking up GBAs for multiplayer is fine. It'd be a crime not to include that. Everything going back to Gamegear and the original Gameboy has had that...

sprinkles

BloodBath wrote:

Your not exactly right there sprinkles, sony and microsoft had touch sensitive buttons on their pads. That was an innovation. I personally prefer the smaller x-box pad to any other tbh with the cube ones coming a close second.

are touch sensitive buttons not just an extension of the trigger buttons which were touch sensitive. In any case sony may be acredited with this(??) and it still is a small contribution.

sprinkles

steviec wrote:

Yea but most of them were around on PC first. And touch screen isn't all that different to a mouse. It's debatable how much of a contribution some of those things have made too. Handheld link for one is little more than a money spinner.

Also you can attribute Eyetoy(also out on PC first btw), analogue buttons(ditto), the use of optical discs(not exactly innovative but had a bigger impact on what games could do than rumble packs or wireless controllers or handheld links ever could) to Sony.

And X-Box live and everything that goes along with it to Microsoft.

And next gen we see everyone doing wireless, Nintendo playing up their online service, PS3/PSP connectivity, MS having an eyetoy device, everyone's just taking everyone else's best ideas. Its not like eveybody is copying Nintendo.

Considering Nintendo have been in this business a lot longer than Sony and Sony have been in it longer than Microsoft thats a fairly even distribution of each manufacturers contribution to gaming I think.

Surely we're talking about inovations to console gaming. True some of these had been around on the pc first but weren't accessible to the masses or compatible with popular games

Jim

A loyal Nintendo fan I'll be dissapointed if they don't bring out something amazing for Revolution, I wouldn't like to see them going down the tubes. I don't play console games at all anymore (might change when online console gaming becomes better) so for now I probably wont be buying a nex gen console, but I'm still following the Revolution development.

On a side note I laughed at the PS controler when they chucked the analogue sticks on it. I've absolutly no idea how people use them at all. The SNES was always my favourite controller (does anyone else find the term "joypad" disturbing) with the GC second for its lurvly analogues. A guy in the office was looking at this thread over my shoulder and when he saw the fake Revolution controller he stated he thought the PS analogue controller was the best one of any console ever... I really don't understand it.

MrPinK

sprinkles wrote:

Surely we're talking about inovations to console gaming. True some of these had been around on the pc first but weren't accessible to the masses or compatible with popular games

But you can hardly call them innovations then if they were just lifted from a PC.

tman

steviec wrote:

Damn you mentioning the Saturn(and reminding me of the Mega CD) and negating half of what I just said about Sony... Well.. Sony made analogue buttons and optical discs mainstream so, yeah.

you do realise the playstation was originally meant to be a mega cd style addon for the snes?

super_furry

Nintendo seem to be good at selling people games that they bought a decade ago - the GBA for example. Can't say I'm too excited by the prospect a console whose main attraction seems to be letting you fork out for games you beat years ago.