Problems with the L.C

phantom_lord

I know most people wont care...we are nearly finished but there really is a few things they should iron out. Like the problems with aurals where people were in big groups.
Or those dam strips for sticking the booklet closed, $70m and that's the best they can do!? They should be like the envelopes where you take the strip off and it sticks...althogh that would produce over a million little strips let over....greens might not like that.
Of how about the amount of writing for subjects like history or geo? surely thats cruelty to children...

Anyone got any more gripes?

sock.rocker*

oh come on.. considerin the logistics, they do a pretty good job.

some schools cant help but have big groups in aurals, who cares bout the strip? and how can ya test geog or history without loads of writing?

i've no complaints to be honest

phantom_lord

Hmm that attitude kinda ruins the thread....

sock.rocker*

yeah, i suppose but people will either agree with me or agree with you..

or maybe i shud just delete my post?

I know people don't seem to like the idea of having one test a day, but how about a much fairer timetable?

For example, a lot of people that do Physics also do Accountancy. This is also the case for those that do Business and History. If they would just look at the figures, they should be able to realise what other subjects people who study Accountancy do etc.

Also, I find it really unfair that Tec. Graphics is the only exam, besides the usual English, Irish and Maths, that has two papers (if we don't counts the orals and aurals and the Art pre-exam thing). Not only that, but each paper is 3 hours long! that's an hour longer than Maths! I really think something should be done about this soon.


Also, I don't think we should have to study so many poets for English, as it only counts for 50 marks.

Oh, and for the aurals, we either need headphones or someone just calling out each article rather than having it on a cd.


And I think the layout of the French paper is a disgrace.

Shinny-dee

hear hear....raise a rebellion too late for me though im finished!!my only prob is how we dont get A's for bein great and why "goin out" isnt a exam subject......

Richard_Fonzie

The amount of people who seem to be cheating. The fact that alot of examiners are stupid, let people get away with murder and also allow people go over the time limit (or dont give people the full time).

sock.rocker*

the tech drawin thing is true.. loong boring exam tomorrow

phantom_lord

sock.rocker* wrote:

yeah, i suppose but people will either agree with me or agree with you..

or maybe i shud just delete my post?

I was gonna delete the thread...but now it looks like there's no need.

sock.rocker*

u win lol

OTliddy

Deleted User wrote:

I know people don't seem to like the idea of having one test a day, but how about a much fairer timetable?

For example, a lot of people that do Physics also do Accountancy. This is also the case for those that do Business and History. If they would just look at the figures, they should be able to realise what other subjects people who study Accountancy do etc.

Also, I find it really unfair that Tec. Graphics is the only exam, besides the usual English, Irish and Maths, that has two papers (if we don't counts the orals and aurals and the Art pre-exam thing). Not only that, but each paper is 3 hours long! that's an hour longer than Maths! I really think something should be done about this soon.


Also, I don't think we should have to study so many poets for English, as it only counts for 50 marks.

Oh, and for the aurals, we either need headphones or someone just calling out each article rather than having it on a cd.


And I think the layout of the French paper is a disgrace.

An interesting post.
1.I agree that the timetable doesn't give a fair enough balance for the majority. Certainly, commonly done groups of subjects(eg Business and History) should be changed.In my opinion the timetable puts the subjects that take longest to correct first, then going down to the likes of Music and Ag.science which not as many people do.

2. I disagree that tech graph should be shorter. Look at art and engineereing. There are dozens of hours put into the exam(practical/project/written). The longer exams are, the less you rely on luck.

3. Yeah way too many poets for english. its very silly. On the other hand, the comparitive is a bit easy. You can basically learn an essay and be able to use it word for word in the exam.

4. Headphones for aural are a good idea, but they would never do it...$$$. The aural isn't too bad with CD's.

My chair squeeks.

My chair squeeks.

Yes. Yes it does.

Well I guess that means you're doing Tec. Graphics tomorrow too, so GOOD LUCK!!!!





My chair speaks Spanish.

Webmonkey

Ill be out of TG in 30 mins tomorrow without a doubt. Same day after...

OTliddy

Good luck u 2.

Macka

I know that the exam is changing next year but I always thought it would make a lot of sense to have 2 history papers one for Ireland the other for Europe that way you could actually analyse the subject matter and give your own opinion as apposed to just writing as much as physically possible at a ridiculous speed for 3 hrs and 20mins.

daxon

phantom_lord wrote:

how about the amount of writing for subjects like history or geo? surely thats cruelty to children...QUOTE]


well its true..... i wrote 24 pages in history 2day and my hand died.alos my other one did to because of miss use .i was only using one hand.hurts when i type

*Angel*

Deleted User wrote:

I find it really unfair that Tec. Graphics is the only exam, besides the usual English, Irish and Maths, that has two papers

Yes, but you have to admit that Tech Drawing is a relatively short course but it would be hard to test your knowledge in only one exam. But yes two exams is a little annoying but at least it's split up...

Just wondering for tech drawing are you guys use a drawing board or a proper drawing desk? I'm using a drawing desk which means I have to carry it all the way to the exam hall from one of the classes (or get a guy to).

Deleted User wrote:

Also, I don't think we should have to study so many poets for English, as it only counts for 50 marks.

I disagree, although it's annoying having to prepare the poets I think it's one fo the nicer questions on the paper.

Deleted User wrote:

And I think the layout of the French paper is a disgrace.

Yeah it is.



I find it unfair that the hall I'm in is usually pretty damn cold.

*Angel*

sock.rocker* wrote:

the tech drawin thing is true.. loong boring exam tomorrow

Oh come on, it isn't boring. Do you not like it when you finish a question and you can look at it and think 'that's good'. I always think that a finished drawing shows appreciation for the work you put in, whereas you can't say that with too many subjects.

Agreed. I don't find Tec. Graphics boring at all. It's one of the few subject that's mentally challenging, i.e even if you know how they did and to do everything in the past papers, it doesn't necessarily mean you will do well in the exam.


So I think we should now take some time out to pray for an easy interpenetration question and an easy 1 (c) question tomorrow.

*Angel*

Deleted User wrote:

Agreed. I don't find Tec. Graphics boring at all. It's one of the few subject that's mentally challenging, i.e even if you know how they did and to do everything in the past pares, it doesn't necessarily mean you will do well in the exam.


So I think we should now take some time out to pray for an easy interpenetration question and an easy 1 (c) question tomorrow.

Well Tech Drawing is a subject that you should try to understand if you're going for a high grade, so many in my class just learn the steps in drawing something which is where you can easily go wrong if something unusual creeps up.

I think intersection of solids should be ok, it is one of the longer questions on paper I (takes the full 45 mins) but it's the same process for each year pretty much.

I don't think I'll bother which Intersection of Planes (Q1), I think the others are a lot shorter, however 1a,1b,1d are the same each year and very easy to answer so it's a good backup.

It's never good when I have a choice, I always take ages to make up my mind then.


I have a feeling a unusual oblique is gonna come up, if you look at the last few years they've been a pretty simple shape so watch out.

Also is a tetrahedron a 4 or 5 sided shape?

This is a tetrahedron. It came up a few years ago.

I'll definitely be doing intersecting planes and the locus, then I'll pick two from solid in contact, interpenetration, and oblique planes.



Oh and I'll continue to call it Technical Graphics, no matter what it says on the timetable.

*Angel*

Deleted User wrote:

This is a tetrahedron. It came up a few years ago.

Cool thanx

Deleted User wrote:

I'll definitely be doing intersecting planes and the locus, then I'll pick two from solid in contact, interpenetration, and oblique planes.

I'm not doing loci, we never covered it at higher level and I remember it can get kinda messy (too many lines, for me anyway).

I'm starting with Solids in contact, oblique, conics, intersection of solids.

Deleted User wrote:

Oh and I'll continue to call it Technical Graphics, no matter what it says on the timetable.

Fine it just reminds me of the junior is all.

Good luck tomorrow!

Webmonkey

Aristotle and Angel, bit of brainboxes eh? I'm screwed

*Angel*

Webmonkey wrote:

I'm screwed

Be positive, you ain't screwed.

7thSeal

*Angel* wrote:

Be positive, you ain't screwed.

That's a bit negative isn't it

*Angel*

No

7thSeal

Ah Toúche

phantom_lord

Macka wrote:

I know that the exam is changing next year but I always thought it would make a lot of sense to have 2 history papers one for Ireland the other for Europe that way you could actually analyse the subject matter and give your own opinion as apposed to just writing as much as physically possible at a ridiculous speed for 3 hrs and 20mins.

Yeah i agree that would be far better, i was kinda hoping for at least one kinda "Analyse blah" type question so at least one essay i did was more than transcribing, especially since its the end of the course. Oh well, there's always next time....hey wait there's not...

Webmonkey

phantom_lord

daxon wrote:

well its true..... i wrote 24 pages in history 2day and my hand died.alos my other one did to because of miss use .i was only using one hand.hurts when i type

Yep i did 26 for business....then had history later....30 pages later i was crippled....fun

sixdraw

sure the whole bloody shows a disgrace.I don't know any other country at all that has 3 weeks full of exams .Thats it 3 hours for 2 years of doing a subject, 2 and a half for app. maths. In korea they have one day to sit their whole exams + they have continous assesment and whichever is better is your deciding grade. Germany has continious assesment and 1 week of exams at the end, 50/50 towards your final grade

sixdraw

and aswell one of my friends has 5 subjects that he needs all A's in in the last week. another of my friends finished yesterday, fair or what (the layout)?

phantom_lord

sixdraw wrote:

In korea they have one day to sit their whole exams

Every subject in one day.....? even with continous assessment that sounds pretty crammed...are sure about that?

sixdraw

ya they only do like 3 or 4 subjects.start at 9 finish at 6. breaks between each exam and lunch of course. its all multiple choice aswell but trust me it isnt as easy as you think at all

Binomate

My superintendant was hot. She kept on distracting people with her beautifull ass. They should screen the hot examiners out so that people can concentrate on their exams.

phantom_lord

Multiple choice is always good..so it's about an hour per subject?

sixdraw

I'd say around 2 hours , I'm not entirely sure on the length of each one but I know its all in one day and if ye think we have things bad here you should hear what school life is like for the koreans.They sleep at their desks in the study hall at night, the teachers can beat the ****e into them and the pressure is dismal

phantom_lord

You mean that doesn't happen in your school?

randomfella

Binomate wrote:

My superintendant was hot. She kept on distracting people with her beautifull ass. They should screen the hot examiners out so that people can concentrate on their exams.

ur so priveleged. i've only had scruff old boggers.

randomfella

i could honestly spend an hour criticising the examination systm but if i get my points i prob won't care. its so true.

Scarinae

sixdraw wrote:

I'd say around 2 hours , I'm not entirely sure on the length of each one but I know its all in one day and if ye think we have things bad here you should hear what school life is like for the koreans.They sleep at their desks in the study hall at night, the teachers can beat the ****e into them and the pressure is dismal

Yeah, the Korean system is insane. I had a Korean friend in school, she thought the Irish system was like holiday camp. She couldn't believe at first how relaxed the teachers were, how few hours we had each day, the way that we had half days on Wednesdays. In Korea, people have committed suicide over getting 95% in an exam, that's how competitive they are. She wasn't very happy about moving back to Korea at all - among other things, she had to cut off all her long hair when she went back, all the girls have to have shoulder-length hair in school.

As for criticisms... I'd extend the length of the Classics exam, because eight essays in three hours is a bit ridiculous

Beau

I think its time the Latin course changed!

scorpy

I'm not happy with the way we do Irish in school, not happy at all. even my sister, sitting her junior cert(she finished today, lucky thing) has to analyse poetry in her irish exam! and here's me doing my leaving without the faintest idea of, say, how to form the plural of a noun? it's pretty pathetic.
I think up til junior cert they should focus on grammar and actually using the language rather than all that literature crap. and then for leaving cert... cut the literature or make it an optional subject. I could have done really well in irish if it wasn't for all the learning off answers for the literature questions on paper II. now I'm hoping to pass, get a C at best. it's a disgrace!

also I'm taking this opportunity to cry about art exams in general. the practicals are unrealistic - maybe van gogh worked scarily fast, that doesn't mean everyone else can churn out a fantastic piece of art in 2.5 hours! even 5 hours for the craft exam was pretty tight, and I arrived with most of my stuff preassembled. one of the best artists I know despaired of the practicals because she works very slowly - but her finished product is insanely good. the junior cert project model is so much better.
and art history... well, what can I say. I draw because I'm not good at this wording stuff - and now 36% of my final grade depends on 3 5-page essays(this includes sketches, obviously) crammed into a 2.5 hour exam? what the fewk, seriously. my trials and tribulations have put my sister(fantastic artist) off of doing art, even though she could easily get an A - based on a practical exam. she did art for junior cert, and she's getting an A. if she doesn't there's something seriously wrong with the world - but she's not going to do art for the leaving because the exams are a load of crap.

Scraggs

how about not having two demanding subjects in one day... for example Irish p2 and home ec which i was depending on for a1's but realistically now havnt a hope of achieving!
o well its over now and as someone said if we get our choices we're not going to care!!

Camogie Playa

about the aurals, i think headphones would be a good idea, because during our french and irish aural, the pass people were twisting and turning pages while the others were trying to listen for that all important word.happened me twice in french, was listening for the word, knew it was just coming up and then someone starts flicking through pages and missed the word.its not really fair on other people i think(no offence to people who do pass)

ashmurph

our teacher told us 2 bring in pritt stick 2 seal the answer books. best advice ever, no way my pages r falling out!

OTliddy

scorpy wrote:

I'm not happy with the way we do Irish in school, not happy at all. even my sister, sitting her junior cert(she finished today, lucky thing) has to analyse poetry in her irish exam! and here's me doing my leaving without the faintest idea of, say, how to form the plural of a noun? it's pretty pathetic.
I think up til junior cert they should focus on grammar and actually using the language rather than all that literature crap. and then for leaving cert... cut the literature or make it an optional subject. I could have done really well in irish if it wasn't for all the learning off answers for the literature questions on paper II. now I'm hoping to pass, get a C at best. it's a disgrace!

Well said. Looking back over my report sheets.These are what I got in Irish:
1st year-A
2nd year-C...higher
3rd year-C...higher
4th year-D...higher
5th year(mocks)...E...higher
Then I dropped down to pass, think i got a B(equilvalent of an E in honours)

This was due to 3 things-
1.A low level of teaching
2.Poetry and prose on the course. Teachers get obsessed with it and ignire grammer.
3. The grades have to account for the Gaeltacht areas, who are taking all our A1's

*Angel*

OTliddy wrote:

Well said. Looking back over my report sheets.These are what I got in Irish:
1st year-A
2nd year-C...higher
3rd year-C...higher
4th year-D...higher
5th year(mocks)...E...higher
Then I dropped down to pass, think i got a B(equilvalent of an E in honours)

I got B's in 1st year and 2nd then a C in the Junior, I also had to drop to ordinary at the end of 5th year. I use to like Irish but it's hard when the whole course is pathetic and the teachers useless.

phantom_lord

i'd better irish in 6th class.

Shinny-dee

your supposed t learn all d grammer in primary school and first year but dat never happens im opposite t rest of u though i got an F in first yr den c in second an A in junior an A in mocks...my teacher was deadly though so thats prob why!**** the poetry n crap i think u shud keep up ur oral irish cos its really important t have it "tir gan teanga tir gan anam!!"

Macka

I seem to have real difficulty balancing two languages I'm either good at French poor at Irish or vice versa. Thats what it was like up until 5th year when I dropped to lower Irish I think it would be better to make Irish optional after primary. That way you get a core understanding of our language which you can choose to pursue further if you wish in secondary. You could make it a choice between French German Spanish and Irish. I think that the problem is that most students take a look at both languages and decide to concentrate on the more international languages but if they go into secondary with a basic understanding of the language and a choice between it and a new language I think they'd stick with Irish. Oh and yes the majority of teachers are appaling and the course is in serious need of an overhaul