Higher Music

gaagirl

a few hints please peeps. . .
im thinking gerald barry or tchaikovsky for q1 in the listening and maybe a minor melody in the written. this is just my own guess so if anyone has any more relliable sources do tell!

Cianan2

Ive heard Barry....

d_mac

No, not Barry ... anything but Barry for Q1!!! I'm guessing Tchaichovsky for the 1st question. It's been said that they won't put up either Bo Rap or Barry for Q1 and Bach ahas come up twice before while Barry has only come up once. I also have a hunch about irish dance music for the irish music essay.

scorpy

I doubt* they'd put barry up for Q1. tchaikovsky would be nicer but then, my dream Q1 is bo rap and that just isn't going to happen(sigh). I haven't seen any past papers so I couldn't make any predictions, but here's hoping for sean-nós in the irish music essay!
and no dictations. oh god I hate dictations ;_;


*=hope

rosa

Its hard to tell seeing as how there's only three papers to go from, but so far Bach has come up twice as the long question and Tchaikovsky once.
So maybe one of the others? But since the modern one came up last year (Beatles) maybe its Barry's turn? I know I'm in the extreme minority here but I quite like Barry.

jennifer

Barry's pretty easy if you think bout it - it's so unusual it's fine to study. I'd say look over minor melody or backing chord question... keep listening to the set works for the week!! and we've 50% down already!! loving that practical option

OTliddy

jennifer wrote:

Barry's pretty easy if you think bout it - it's so unusual it's fine to study.

Exactly. Imagine getting the Vladimir Horowitz section(the wierd bit, oh wait they're all wierd, anyway C4 i think). It would be so easy. The E and B sections are pretty catchy, while G is a short headache. I'm the only person in the class that likes it in any way

gaagirl

to help anyone whos stuck with memorising the order of barrys sections heres a little (long) rhyme that i find helpful, its helpful if they ask what comes after a particular section.

A brightly coloured chicken bought cake dont dare be eating cake coz eating delicious cake can fatten coloured chickens going home.

Cool_CM

gaagirl wrote:

to help anyone whos stuck with memorising the order of barrys sections heres a little (long) rhyme that i find helpful, its helpful if they ask what comes after a particular section.

A brightly coloured chicken bought cake dont dare be eating cake coz eating delicious cake can fatten coloured chickens going home.

i love you!
on the other hand i hate barry, it wrecks my head.....

oneofakind32

I posted the system my music teacher tought us for finding keys and scales on the The instruments board here . There is some more in depth stuff on there too for anyone interested

Cinderellie

Actually I was told Queen were tipped this year.Apparently it's their 25th anniversary for something or other.

I'm praying for Tchaikovsky or Bach.Barry is pure evil.

oneofakind32

I wouldnt bet on queen. They cant realy give you dictation cus it will be a stinker cus its a pop song and the rythme is akward and the modern piece was up last year

gaagirl

a way to identify a jig in irish music is by seeing if this rhyme fits in

" a typical jig has a saucy beat with feet a tapping and rhythm alive"

it works really well, i dont have a clue how to identify the other ones (reel, slip jig, hornpipe etc) so can anyone help?

oneofakind32

a polka is 4:2 (two beats in a bar fits in with Pol-ka, Pol-ka, Pol-ka). A hornpipe is standard 4:4 I think

scorpy

if you can say 1-2-3 fast in time with the beat(or 'rashers and sausages' but I prefer counting it), it's a jig of some kind. if there's two sets of '123' in a bar is's a normal jig, three sets means a slip jig.
a reel is 1-2-3-4, and I'm not sure about the rest.

OTliddy

Yeah count 123 quickly for a jig, with the "1" being the main beat. Then to find out if its 6/8 or 9/8, observe how many "123"s there are before an even more main beat. If you can easily count two "123" before the cycle start off again, then it's 6/8. If it's 3 "123"s, then 9/8. AHHH this is music its so hard to translate it.sorry; it doenst make sense.

a reel is a dead give-away:4 fast beats in a bar(counting "1234").

A hornpipe is 2/4, it has a dotted rhythm and is slower than a reel. It sounds kind of lazy and/or fumbling.

Not sure about Polkas. All I know is the "Kerry Polka". I think they're lively and 2/4. regular beats.

Then that leaves a slow air-the odd one out. This is typically slow(surprise, surprise) and thus often ornamented.

Does anybody know how to tell the difference between accordians/concertina's/piano accordian etc or can you just call them all a "box"?

Waltons

I'm pretty sure you can just say music box for accordian et al. Cheers for the counting tips. You all set for the lovely irish essay?

OTliddy

It's just learning- quite mild learning when you compare it with the physics i'm doing atm. How many marks are going for the essay?

A mere 25

OTliddy

<Jonny> wrote:

A mere 25

No i mean for the essay only. I think its ten

:Keith:

Yeah ten marks. Fairly easy to get as well. The first time I did the essay was in the mocks and I got full marks.

scorpy

I got 1 mark for my mocks essay ;_;
apparently the corrs don't count as 'composers'... doh.

:Keith:

lol. I mentioned the Corrs in my essay as well but it was about how Traditional Music has increased in popularity or something.

JackKelly

what essays does anyone think is coming up. I wouldnt mind sean nos. Not likely though

oneofakind32

I hope the harp comes up or regional styles. I know thoose 2 well. Im not so sure on the rest

Waltons

I think it's 11 marks for the essay. I'm preparing an essay on Flogging Molly (A group using traditional irish music) and an essay on a composer who has traditional irish influences on his music

scorpy

I've got... development of irish music since the 50's, the corrs(modern musicians with irish influences etc.) and sean nós.

JackKelly

how long are the papers in music? I never sat a mock.

scorpy

the core listening paper is 1.5 hours, and the core composing paper is the same.

gaagirl

dont bother learning dances for the essay its more than likely not going to come up. id say developments in the past 50 years is a dead cert. thanks for the tips on identifying the dances!

gaagirl

from my own looking through past essays i think fusions could come up aswell. has anybody got some notes they could put up about the exposition in tchaikovsky, all my notes are muddled so i dont have a clue what keys, instruments, themes etc are in it!

ali*

wat's there in regional styles? all we ever did was munster uses more vibratto, less ornamentation, connacht uses lots of ornamentation and the northa has a middle amout, isnt that just in sean nós? im screwed...

OTliddy

The essay is evil. It's only worth 10/11 marks, and the hours put into studying the composing paper would be much more worth it. The difference between doind bad and well in the essay is only about 5 marks(10-5), but it could be as much as 35 in composing(80-45). Barry, Bach and Queen are also worth doing, and learn whatevr you can in Tchaikovsky(simple things like what the instrument abbreviations are)

rosa

ok i haven't started studying yet but I'm about to. Think there's enough time left?? And what are you people learning for the set works? Key sigs, techniques, features..... what else?

JackKelly

Dunno. I think its sooo pointless having to know features of each section of a piece. I think we should know general techniques instead. I really hate this course. How detailed is everyones knowledge of the pieces?

Scratch Acid

I will be eternally grateful to anyone who can send me complete versions of the Bach, Barry and Tchaikovsky pieces.

JackKelly

Scratch Acid wrote:

I will be eternally grateful to anyone who can send me complete versions of the Bach, Barry and Tchaikovsky pieces.

scores or music?

Scratch Acid

Music.

Cianan2

Ive got an extra class today, which is more helpful to me than studying on my own! Thank god for kind teachers...

JackKelly

Waltons wrote:

I'm preparing an essay on Flogging Molly (A group using traditional irish music)

thats a great idea. It would have to be under fussion though i'd imagine.

Prezatch

Ye know the Song Tradition essay, I was lookin through some of those trinity notes and they just give a few types of songs (laments, love, drinking etc) and a few examples of them. Is that all you have to do for that essay does anyone know?

JackKelly

Hmm. Can someone tell me how the hell to wright these?! Well, tips for them. I know the structure (copy opening-modulated-sequence-closing) but its just hit or miss when it comes to writing them

And with the harmony. All you really need to know are chord progressions right?
In the bass, do you just put whatever is the tonic note of the chord you chose?

Cinderellie

Follow what you're given religiously.Write down all the jumps used in what you're given and only use those,apart from s-m-d etc. Pick out nice little rhythms in the first 4 bars and try and keep that rhythmic shape through out the melody.Like, if you have 4 crochets in the first bar,use four crochets in the 5th bar,etc. Except in bars 9-12,of course.

Make sure when you're doing the sequence that you're not going to have a really awkward leap from the 9th bar to the 10th bar.Like if you end on doh in the 9th bar then don't start on fah in the 10th unless that's a given leap in the first 4 bars.

I dunno if that helps or not.If you have time you should play through your other melodys and see what sounds nice in them,what jumps and sequences and stuff and keep a note of them so you know that,for example,the jump soh-re is nice.If you can't really sing the melody in your head then don't get creative,just manipulate what you're given.Invert the notes or add passing notes,stuff like that.

Also,for the minor melody I'd recommend avoiding getting into situations where you have to raise and lower the 6th and 7th.Do it once or twice to show that you know how but try and avoid them.Like,if you're coming down go to mi so you don't have to raise the 7th.

For the chord question just go over all the rules for minor and major.Like,in minor you should use the 2nd inversion of the chord of 2,not the chord of 2 itself.And the chord of 2 should never go to one.Make sure you know the cadences,and if you can't figure out the phrasing on a chord question then just put in a cadence around the end of the line...oh,and yeah,it is just the bass notes.But make sure when you write the notes in the bass line that they're directly underneath the chord boxes,otherwise they'll take off marks.

JackKelly

wow.thanks! thats a lot of help. Can you use the same chord progressions in a minor harmony as in a major harmony? Just avoid chord ii?

Cinderellie

Pretty much the same except for a few things.The chords i,iib and iv and minor,and V and VI are major.Emm...try and avoid VI-i or i-VI.if you have to use ii,then write iib in the box,and then put the second note of the chord in the bass line.

I hope that helps!

:Keith:

Quick question about a minor 16 bar melody. Do you modulate in it? I'm not very clear on that as the teacher I had is a bit of a retard.

Cinderellie

Nope,you don't.Instead you have an imperfect cadence in bars 7 and 8,and 11 and 12.The sequence is still there though in bars 9 and 10.

It's alot easier then major in that respect!

Gileadi

you arent required to modulate in it,you can do so if you wish though

:Keith:

Thanks. Thats a big help because I have a feeling a Minor 16 bar melody will come up and I want to be prepared for it.

JackKelly

except modulate to the major if you do.

unak

ok im al set for my melody but hav no structure whatsoever for the harmony.
is there a certain pattern of chords you should follow?
also, have done nothing for the trad essay, any suggestions?

thanks in advane...