Metal Forum?

vindictive_miss

Why does punk get its own forum and metal doesn't? its just not fair

OLP

whats the point, metal these days is terrible

Sarky

How, precisely does this affect anyone?

Neil3030

OLP wrote:

whats the point, metal these days is terrible

Completely untrue. What about Fightstar?

herobear

Neil3030 wrote:

Completely untrue. What about Fightstar?

tbh though, 90% of the rock/metal is topics on the metal......

Sarky

It's the young'un's fault. They need to listen to more oldsk0ol stuff. Bleedin' whippersnappers, with their "new metal" and their angst...

Karl Hungus

vindictive_miss wrote:

Why does punk get its own forum and metal doesn't? its just not fair

Dear god... Is this board called Rock/Country, or have I gone totally blind?

What the hell is the problem? Has someone snuck in rules that you can't post about Metal here and I wasn't aware of it, or is this just some whine for the needless segregation of the boards?

Pugsley

With a lot of bands theres a very fine line between which is which, a lot more so than with punk. Theres so many bands that are simply nigh on impossable to fit into one of the two as they overlap too much to be seperated.

It wasn't me!

This forum is predominantly metal oriented anyway, so what's the problem? If metal were given a separate forum, this place would die overnight.

tripper

There are so many good metal bands around today(nothing like the 80's but) arch enemy, exodus, metallica, megadeth, Machine Head, Maiden etc.

OctavarIan

Metal is still alive and kicking! Especially progressive metal!

www.progarchives.com

^^see?

pbsuxok1znja4r

The guy who said metal today sucked was largely right, lol.
I wish the uber-heavy gore/death/black/psycho/stabyouintheeye metal was isolated into its own little deranged forum, cause its just annoying.

OLP

i hate all the new metal bands these days, we need more bands along the lines of maiden, metallica, slayer, anthrax, pantera and none of this death metal, speed metal, forest flamengo metal crap

Neil3030

Start up a Fightstar forum says me. We can't have their fresh cuthroat rage-metal discussed on a board that might also have sissies like Opeth or Pantera on it....

pbsuxok1znja4r

OLP wrote:

i hate all the new metal bands these days, we need more bands along the lines of maiden, metallica, slayer, anthrax, pantera and none of this death metal, speed metal, forest flamengo metal crap

Haha very true, lol "forest metal"!
I could probably record myself murdering people with a chainsaw, and pass it off as the "metal" record of the year. It's gone beyond a joke, at this stage. Metal needs to come back down to earth, none of that fantasy, or deathgore nonsense.

Karl Hungus

OLP wrote:

i hate all the new metal bands these days, we need more bands along the lines of maiden, metallica, slayer, anthrax, pantera and none of this death metal, speed metal, forest flamengo metal crap

Yer, 'cos rehashing the same old crap again and again is the way forward! :rolleyes:

Mystic Fibrosis

most of you have obviously never listened to a death/black metal album I see :rolleyes:

pbsuxok1znja4r

^Hmm, thats true, I haven't. I've only heard the odd song. I honestly can't abide it though. And yeah, the guy who said we shouldn't re-hash the same crap is right... there is a glimmer of hope in some new metal bands

Karl Hungus

There's plenty of amazing music still in Metal, and some great bands emerging. Mastodon anyone?

pbsuxok1znja4r

Thrice

Sarky

I've started listening to Hammerfall, Testament, and Children Of Bodom recently.

Fo0kin' excellent, so they are.

Karl Hungus

Have you heard Sonata Arctica, Sarky? They might be just the thing for you. Excellent band altogether.

Sarky

Not yet, I'm still busy cracking up over Bodom's cover of The Final Countdown.

Karl Hungus

Sarky wrote:

Not yet, I'm still busy cracking up over Bodom's cover of The Final Countdown.

We should seriously get a few cans and make a night of listening to my CD Collection. Cracking up will only be the start of it.

byte

Yeah, as Karl says, Sonata Arctica are very good. Also try Edguy or perhaps Freedom Call.

Tar.Aldarion

Karl Hungus wrote:

Dear god... Is this board called Rock/Country, or have I gone totally blind?

What the hell is the problem? Has someone snuck in rules that you can't post about Metal here and I wasn't aware of it, or is this just some whine for the needless segregation of the boards?

true but i hate the way people post about foo fighters chilli peppers etc here.would prefer all metal...
what comes under the heading of rock is ridiculous.... nearly all bollox....
it was lol in HMV yesterday,some of the bands they have under metal ...and on one stall there was not one metal band under the metal heading lol...

as for what i like death metal etc i stay away from most black because most of them are crazy/nazi/omg he did that!

rainbow kirby

byte wrote:

Yeah, as Karl says, Sonata Arctica are very good. Also try Edguy or perhaps Freedom Call.

ditto to recommendation of Sonata Arctica.

SirLemonhead

Sarky wrote:

Not yet, I'm still busy cracking up over Bodom's cover of The Final Countdown.

Children of Bodom never covered The Final Countdown.

Mr. CooL ICE

Thats right, it was Norther as far as i know, but people assume its CoB

Executive Steve

aaaah nu metal... "there's a white man on stage... rapping about his pain"

are you dead tree music people soooo exclusive that you won't even countenance someone starting a thread about a band who sell more t-shirts than your favourite band, or dont wear silly makeup?????

granted, the musical tastes and errrr.... aesthetic refinement of your typical boards head is not exactly of a stellar nature, at least not judging by the vast majority of the posters on the hip hop and electronica boards, i'd be surprised if it was much different here, but why is it that of all musical genres [excepting perhaps purist detroit techno] metal is THE snobbiest around??? i know you were all bullied in school by the boys who played rugby and ad girlfriends, but thats no reason to take it out on the world....

Doctor J

Enough of the pointless segregation. Metal, rock, punk rock, whatever, they're all coming from the same place. Being exposed to things you are unfamiliar with is healthy, it encourages you to think and helps develop your ability to accept things you may not agree with. What is the point of separating everything to it's own little space? It will kill discussion and all that will exist will be "I like Band X" "I Like Them Too" "Yeah, they're good" and what the **** is the point of that? Open your minds people. There is only good and bad music. Every other category is there to help the folks at HMV shepherd you into a little corner so they can take more €€€ out of your pocket money. Make it your business to be exposed to new music, different music. Don't be scared to like more than one kind of music. Without the Beatles and the Blues there wouldn't have been any Black Sabbath. Without Black Sabbath none of the aforementioned bands would exist. Every Metal band is the product of their influences and you can't truly understand a band without knowing where they came from and most, if not all of them, will name a long list of Rock and Pop bands as what they listened to growing up. Segregation is a nasty by-product of the business side of music. Don't encourage that sort of bull****. Music is music, categories are ****ing stupid.

vindictive_miss

*is regreting making thread* mainly because you all jumped to the conclusion that i'm some nu-metal loving "young'un" but also because some of you (mainly doctor J) made good points about conversation dying. I was thinking its strange that punk is separated from rock and metal when most people who like punk would listen to some rock/metal too.

Karl Hungus

vindictive_miss wrote:

you all jumped to the conclusion that i'm some nu-metal loving "young'un"

I had to go over the thread again just to make sure, but wtf are you talking about? I can't see where anyone accused you, or make any assumption of the sort.

byte

vindictive_miss, you're just a nu-metal loving "young'un"

Only joking..

Anyway, good post Doctor J. The amount of categories and sub-categories nowadays are a tad carried away.

Civilian_Target

Yep - and anyway - ever since the Rock/Metal - Punk split - the punk board's been pretty damn quiet. Segergation is bad.

John

Civilian_Target wrote:

Yep - and anyway - ever since the Rock/Metal - Punk split - the punk board's been pretty damn quiet. Segergation is bad.

Yeah, punk is dead

Karl Hungus

byte wrote:

Anyway, good post Doctor J. The amount of categories and sub-categories nowadays are a tad carried away.

I'd actually disagree with Herr Doktor there. Genres are there for a reason, and that's to give an indication of what a band might sound like. Hence why we'd called Pink Floyd 'Prog Rock' and Carcass 'Death Metal' and Linkin Park '****e'. It's basically a very vague discription. But it's not the Genres or descriptions we should be annoyed at, it's the people who put to much concern in the genre rather than the music itself.

Tar.Aldarion

Karl Hungus wrote:

I'd actually disagree with Herr Doktor there. Genres are there for a reason, and that's to give an indication of what a band might sound like. Hence why we'd called Pink Floyd 'Prog Rock' and Carcass 'Death Metal' and Linkin Park '****e'. It's basically a very vague discription. But it's not the Genres or descriptions we should be annoyed at, it's the people who put to much concern in the genre rather than the music itself.

exactly.i would like to actually find the music i like in a shop

Doctor J

I can handle basic categorisation but the level it gets filtered down to is, in my humble opinion, ridiculous. It's almost getting to the extent that every band has their own categorisation and, to be honest, there isn't one good band I can think of who neatly sit in any category without straying frequently into other supposed genres so therefore what is the point. Categories are like political boundaries on a map, you can't see them in real life because they don't exist, because someone made them up to separate things for some reason, in this case it's largely marketing and business reasons... listen to the music, that's the important thing. Personally I have a hard time finding the boundaries between punk and metal and rock, let alone speed metal, thrash metal and sub-scandinavian power forest groove metal and any other genres you could care to make up or have kerrang, who seem to have jumped back onto the metal bandwagon now that it's getting trendy again, tell you exists.

Categorisation is for supermarkets, it has no place in art IMO.

nosmo

Tar.Aldarion wrote:

as for what i like death metal etc i stay away from most black because most of them are crazy/nazi/omg he did that!

Because someone's political views outside the music are much scarier than singing about being "addicted to vaginal skin" or being "****ed with a knife"? :P
(I'm aware you probably don't listen to Cannibal Corpse, so the joke is kinda invalid)

Redrocket

dont mean to point to a different forum,
but www.ultimatemetal.com has a sizeable amounts of forums dedicated to individual bands

Ishmael

Sarky wrote:

Not yet, I'm still busy cracking up over Bodom's cover of The Final Countdown.

Jaysus, The Andrew wk cover was horrible but that takes the biscuit.

Rei-chan

I think some people are too obsessed with what genre of music they like and what that makes them. Like, if they listen to rock music then they're a 'rocker'. I know a few people who are so obsessed with their label that they won't even talk to skangers or anyone that likes a different type of music, and they have to wear certain clothes and wear certain shoes. Also, I don't like the way people seperate themselves because of what music they like. For instance, Skangers. Skangers hate me because I like different music to them. I get called a 'goth' just because I wear black clothes and eyeliner, even though I don't consider myself to be a goth. I'm just me. I get abuse thrown at me because i'm not like them. Don't you guys think people are a bit too obsessed with music sometimes...? It's just music, and so what if two genres share a board, who cares?

I know this probably sounds stupid, and it's probably too late or something, but I'm tired and been drinking a bit... So shh...

Executive Steve

Doctor J wrote:

"....the metal bandwagon now that it's getting trendy again,"

this made me laugh out very very loud. METAL WILL never BE TRENDY AGAIN.

Doctor J wrote:

Categorisation is for supermarkets, it has no place in art IMO.

This made me nod my head in passionate agreement! well done that man!

Geranium

Okay, what Vindictive-miss was saying was that it would be handier to have seperate forums so that people could locate threads on topics that they were interested in more easily. She was not however, saying that people couldn't use both forums or listen to both types of music. I don't agree with the "categorisation is stupid" rule. How else would you be able to find new music that you might like, or buy cds? It's perfectly possible to like loads of different types of music, no matter how it's categorised, it's just a matter of convenience.

Doctor J

[cm]tyranny wrote:

this made me laugh out very very loud. METAL WILL never BE TRENDY AGAIN.

Oh no? As I walked up Harcourt Street last night at 2am I heard GnR coming out of one of those poxy nightclubs. The mainstream is coming back to Metal, even Kerrang are writing about Metal bands again

skregs

i know its pedantic, but GnR aren't really a metal band.

and out of curiousity, when was metal trendy before?

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

the 80's I believe..
it was the hair.

Doctor J

Indeed, perhaps trendy isn't the appropriate term, let's call it a position where the mainstram doesn't shun music of distorted guitar origin. If you wan't to be really pedantic you could say that Harcourt Street nightclubs aren't an entirely reliable indicator of society's perception of music but hey, let's not get too caught up in the itty bitty details. Metal bands are getting on the radio and TV, gig attendances are up, there are more Metal gigs being promoted here, even Metal fashions are being worn by the masses, the worm is turning back this way again there can be no doubt.

Executive Steve

the mainstream never did shun music of a distorted guitar origin...

Garnvic

hello friends,
i know alot of people dont like the whole "new wave american metal" thing but if old school is wat you want then buy "shadows fall,art of balance" or anything by "god forbid" definatly slayer influenced.
i dont care wat people think about the latest metal bands "chimaira" are one of the best metal bands around.
please agree.