Irish Paper 2 HL

So, what did everyone think?

I thought it was a really fair paper tbh. Even though Rúraiocht didn't come up, stair was still pretty handy.


Also, I saw people, smart people, leaving the OL Paper 2 very early, like after 3/4 of an hour. Was it really that easy?

StupidLikeAFox

Yes

Zukustious

It sure was.

randomfella

i didnt think it was that fair.

if u studied ur arse off it suited u. treall was a bit of a surprise and the gafa being compulsory? maidhc dainin was easy i did the first part but the q wasnt great. ceol was hidden in part a, and racism in b, both i predicted. i didnt like the ur chein mhic cainte q was a bit ambigous.

wtf wit ruraiocht? got stung with that i only had filiocht na mbard same thing happened in te mocks but not with ruraioht. overall i expect low b.

*marie*

I thought it was a lovely paper, was absolutely delighted cos I had been dreading it for so long. The only things that I studied came up (apart from ruraiocht). I knew the gluaiseanna but then had to waffle about bealoidis using knowledge from clann lir! The Peig q couldn't have been more perfect, same with the urchnoc chein mhic chainte one

baby*cham*bell

BASTARDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! where was ruraiocht that was just MEAN!!!!!!
i sorta knew Bealododis and i made up Douglas Hyde from what i knew from history, and i just plain made Peig Sayers up!!!
what was th Clann Lir and Chein Mhic Cainte q's about?????????????? no one knows what clann lir was meant to mean!!!

Haedes1987

ya that ruraíocht really got me in the a*ss, all i had was ogham and na gluaiseanna - pisser. Overall ok tho

randomfella

baby*cham*bell wrote:

BASTARDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! where was ruraiocht that was just MEAN!!!!!!
i sorta knew Bealododis and i made up Douglas Hyde from what i knew from history, and i just plain made Peig Sayers up!!!
what was th Clann Lir and Chein Mhic Cainte q's about?????????????? no one knows what clann lir was meant to mean!!!

i think it was about magic and emotions, both help make the story a great bealoideas story.

for stair i did the two poets on the course

catlin maude and cathal searcaigh



GET THIS - for gafa i called the boy sean. will i lose many marks?

randomfella

randomfella wrote:

GET THIS - for gafa i called the boy sean. will i lose many marks?

LoL. I doubt it. No more than 5% for the question I'd guess, i.e 3 marks.

*marie*

For Clann Lir it was the connection betwenn strong feelings and magic that are part of bealoidis stories or something. I just wrote about how Aoife is jealous but kind and then said how she used magic against them. For Chein mhic Chainte it was about the language he uses to intice her to go with him, had no idea of what to write for part (ii) and the last one was the metre thing (u,e,u,e,u,e,a etc)

rainbow kirby

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Also, I saw people, smart people, leaving the OL Paper 2 very early, like after 3/4 of an hour. Was it really that easy?

Pass is ALWAYS that easy.

UncleFester

ne i did'nt think it went that well - none of the poems id expected came up n nothin i studied in stair na teanga came up - i ended up makin up somethin bout 2o the poets n i got peadar o doirnin mixed up n wrote all about martin o direan instead!..............wonder will they give me attempt marks..........wrote 2paragraphs on maidhc then ran outta time!overall i took chances with what i learned n it did'nt go im my favour!so im thinkin if i passed that paper it was a good day!

the smiley one

Thought the paper was fair enough.... Bit surprised that Ruraíocht didn't come up but I was covered with canúintí and filíocht na mBard. Nothing really out of the ordinary...ah well IT'S OVER!!!! I will not have to look at an Irish book for a very long time! Woot!

Camogie Playa

how was ceol in part a of maidhc danin?

rosa

Camogie Playa wrote:

how was ceol in part a of maidhc danin?

You could have included it as evidence that Maidhc was loyal to his native country and culture, etc. I did this question but mostly dealt with his independence and only wrote a paragraph or two on ceol.
Anyone find the prose questions in A) hard to write about? Could only manage a page and a bit on Fisoracht Mhná, is that too short?
Bear in mind that I have very big writing.

the smiley one

rosa wrote:

You could have included it as evidence that Maidhc was loyal to his native country and culture, etc. I did this question but mostly dealt with his independence and only wrote a paragraph or two on ceol.
Anyone find the prose questions in a hard to write about? Could only manage a page and a bit on Fisoracht Mhná, is that too short?
Bear in mind that I have very big writing.

quality not quantity all the way, wouldn't worry about it as long as you made good points (i said it shows "dúire na fir"...not good if a male marker...but hey....)

Scarinae

randomfella wrote:

GET THIS - for gafa i called the boy sean. will i lose many marks?

Ok, put it this way - the Gafa question was worth 15 marks out of 600, that's two and a half percent... Even if they care that you got the name wrong, which I seriously doubt (Eoin and Sean are two Irish versions of John anyway, you're not far off!), it isn't going to affect your overall result. so don't worry!!

I was surprised that Ruraíocht wasn't there, but I was grand because I knew Filíocht na mBard, Gluaiseanna and Ogham really well. I was very happy with the poetry questions, I thought they were very fair, though I couldn't actually remember exactly what the lines we had to explain meant! Luckily it's only 6 marks anyway. I was a bit miffed that I had to answer on Gafa, but it could have been worse - imagine if it had been An Lasair Choille! Ugh! The part I think went kinda crappy for me was the An Triail question, it's my own fault really because I lost my copy of it and couldn't remember loads of stuff. However, overall I was quite happy with that paper.

Shyster

the smiley one wrote:

quality not quantity all the way, wouldn't worry about it as long as you made good points (i said it shows "dúire na fir"...not good if a male marker...but hey....)

thats what i kept thinking as i was writing!! i was going on and on using all the tuiseal ginidigh i could think of and then realised the examiner was gonna hate me...

Murv

bitches with the ruraiocht. i thought they might throw in fiannaiocht to screw us over, but then this! there was a it of complaining, but i mean.. we really should have learned more stair. think i did ok... i was writing till the VERY end... my hand is BROKEN. The Gafa question was grand, the filliocht was easy... all in all

Irish Paper two isn't much fun unless you've learnt premade answers off by heart, or if you're fluent in irish. That's how I feel anyway.

Especially with the stair. All you can do is learn hundreds of lines of history and hope that it'll come up. They didn't even put ruriocht or fianiocht on it. That was lame.

tara_mac

disgusted over the stair but can you believe the an triail how easy delighted well compared to paper one anyway

gafa was totally obviuos it never came up for the compulsary before was so obvious it would be still shocked over the stair though wkd mean

Hehe .. yes.. easy.. hehe..

What does duilteach (sp) mean?

Murv

negative

Thought it meant something like that. I'm OK FOLKS.

CoffeeFreak

I thought the paper was fine. Not much of what I expected was on it, but I managed all the same. I'm so glad Irish is done!

Groovychick

Not trying to be mean but that was the easiest paper two i've ever done, lovely prose questions, scothscealta was perfect and poetry dead simple, didn't open a book before da exam but then again i'm lucky enough to live in da Gaeltacht and speak irish fluently!!! bit pissed about da ruraíocht thing !!!

Breezer

Thought it was a lovely paper, really easy. Was a bit surprised that Ruraiocht didn't come up but knew 3 others - stair's only 5% of the whole exam anyway. Scothscealta really predictable and nice questions, Fiosracht Mhná predictable, Urchnoc predictable and pretty much a rehash of the question they asked a few years ago. So yeah, no complaints with regards Irish. Maths is a different matter now...

Anyone who thinks they didn't do great don't worry too much, I usually think that and it almost always works out OK

BraveheartGal

over the year, the paper i was dreadin the most was paper 2
the thought of learnin off premade answers to millions of poems,stories never mind the fact that there are 60-70 topics for stair na gaeilge
so i kept puttin it off
in the end, i learned a general question for clann lir, fiosracht,faoilean,chalon me mo cheann,
last night i did ogham, gluaiseanna
and i came across these notes in my folder which basically sumarised the stories in english, which was brill cos i didnt even know the story line for gafa, or amuigh liom fein
i jus read the english
and today i really really surprised myself,
i used nice irish, not flashy but i could totally answer the questions for everything
the were so general that you could bring so much in
i was really chuffed with the paper especially cos my tape was so bad (i jus cant call it my cd, it sounds weird)

the smiley one

seriously, that's the idea afaik. They look for your knowledge and depth of understanding in paper two, yes there are marks for gaeilge but they are negliable in the great scheme of things...I totally disagree that you have to have stuff learnt off for the exam; all I went in with was general vocab on everything and a reasonable knowledge of the texts....hope it was enough!!

BraveheartGal

snap

mrs. hamlet

mixed feelings on the irish paper!
v. pissed about ruraiocht, had only learned that and ogham and gluaiseanna in the car in the morning so not happy but it is worth f*k all anyways!
anyone notice they didn't say 3 points is enough like they usually do?
the prose was lovely! part b of gafa v. general and easy!
Fiosracht mhna...no probs!
was v. surprised to see treall as compulsory q in pass poems, was certain it would b faoilean..!
urchnoc chein mhic cainte... v. predictable, nice question!
not happy with the maidhc dainin q, thought part b was difficult as you were expected to talk about racism and stuf! i did part a which wasn't too bad but alot of my class didn't understand the question!
Just really happy irish is finally over!!

BraveheartGal

i did maidhc part a too
loved it!!
jus wrote bout how independent he was,thought of tons of stuff (even tho i hadnt revised it at all at all!!), and his love of his parish
(tell me thats what the question meant!!dear god please let me have answered it right!!)
if that was the question twas only gorgeous

hellsbells

bout how much did everyone write?! i'm a bit freaked i didnt write enough for the filíocht!

Shinny-dee

very pissed about ruraiocht but dats it!!wohoo irish over (till september i is doin it in colly) wat did does lines in urchnoc mean .....hair???seems like such a waste killin meself for two yrs...well weeks an all for 30% grrrrr.pretty pleased overall but maths Ordinary n home ec less said d better!!tips for geog anyone?

Bright Smile

could anyone tell me what the Clann Lir question actually meant? i CANT BELIEVE i answered a q that i didnt really understand in my REAL LEAVING CERT!!!!! :eek:

Cool_CM

rosa wrote:

You could have included it as evidence that Maidhc was loyal to his native country and culture, etc. I did this question but mostly dealt with his independence and only wrote a paragraph or two on ceol.
Anyone find the prose questions in A) hard to write about? Could only manage a page and a bit on Fisoracht Mhná, is that too short?
Bear in mind that I have very big writing.

i said that the fact he got a job as a musician in the us and london was both to do with his loyalty to irish values and his independance.
thought it was a lovely paper!

Shinny-dee

Bright Smile wrote:

could anyone tell me what the Clann Lir question actually meant? i CANT BELIEVE i answered a q that i didnt really understand in my REAL LEAVING CERT!!!!! :eek:

somethin t do wit magic and its effect on human feelings are what makes clann lir a bealoideas or how magic makes human feelings n dat makes it a b story...nilim ró cinnte!!!

Scarinae

mrs. hamlet wrote:

was v. surprised to see treall as compulsory q in pass poems, was certain it would b faoilean..!

Well everyone had been saying that Faoileán wouldn't come up because Michael Davitt is a paedophile, I guess they may have been right?

Shinny-dee wrote:

wat did does lines in urchnoc mean .....hair???

With your pearly hair, beloved of poets
Your welcome is doubled
(I have no idea what that even means in English... But it's only worth 1%, so I won't lose much for my crappy explanation)

Rredwell

Fishie, my translation of those lines would be:
"Oh curly-haired woman, poets' secret,
Who is doubled over with joy and welcome"

...but it is open wide to interpretation!

I thought that Paper was brilliant! Everything I had studied in the Prós came up, and my favourite poems (I don't mean favourite as in best to write about, I mean I really like them) did too. They did break the pattern by ommitting the Ruraíocht, but people: if you had studied enough stuff on Stair you would have had plenty to answer on! This always happen when people expect a pattern and become complacent. (I had studied Ogham, na Bardscoileanna and Na Gluaiseanna the night before, so I was grand!)

I did the first Gafa question and the second MD question. Someone asked about length: I did 3.25 pages for the 35 marks of Úrchnoc Chéin Mhic Cáinte, but only 2 pages for the 40 marks of Maidhc Dainín. I think the old maxim "quality, not quantity", applies here. (Does it ever not when it comes to the LC?)

Overall I am really, really happy with this paper. I am near-fluent in Irish though, and I think the wording of some questions (Clann Lir, MD, Úrchnoc) was not very clear to weaker students.

passive

for various stupid reasons (switched classes, thought it wasn't coming up) I have never in my entire life read Gafa.

I know a kid takes drugs and a husband has an affair...from that i wrote 1 A4 page slating it, saying it was unrealistic and all happened too quickly and definitely wasn't a good portrayal of a family falling apart.

would anyone agree with my sentiments?

I reckon i got about 5 or 6 marks of the 15 for that bull****... Really wish i'd had notes on it to get a vague idea of some names and stuff

(I also got ****ed on Stair..but I knew ogham and gluaiseanna pretty well and a few points on Caitlin and Mairead. probably about 17/30 overall )

the smiley one

Rredwell wrote:

Fishie, my translation of those lines would be:
"Oh curly-haired woman, poets' secret,
Who is doubled over with joy and welcome"

...but it is open wide to interpretation!

I thought that Paper was brilliant! Everything I had studied in the Prós came up, and my favourite poems (I don't mean favourite as in best to write about, I mean I really like them) did too. They did break the pattern by ommitting the Ruraíocht, but people: if you had studied enough stuff on Stair you would have had plenty to answer on! This always happen when people expect a pattern and become complacent. (I had studied Ogham, na Bardscoileanna and Na Gluaiseanna the night before, so I was grand!)

I did the first Gafa question and the second MD question. Someone asked about length: I did 3.25 pages for the 35 marks of Úrchnoc Chéin Mhic Cáinte, but only 2 pages for the 40 marks of Maidhc Dainín. I think the old maxim "quality, not quantity", applies here. (Does it ever not when it comes to the LC?)

Overall I am really, really happy with this paper. I am near-fluent in Irish though, and I think the wording of some questions (Clann Lir, MD, Úrchnoc) was not very clear to weaker students.

Yeah those lines werea bit tricky, he was basically praising her beauty (hair) and personality (that's what I wrote neway...) I think the "rún na héigéise" bit was a ref tto himself and manus macardle fighting over her...but of course I never thought to write that down!

Actually I thought the Urcnoc ques was very open to interpretation and would have been nice for weaker people because it was so general, also the fiosracht mhná question was lovely and made up for the clann Lir one. Don't do MD. Thought an Triall was nice; everyone will surely be able to write something on either of the questions they were so open...

scorpy

length of answer is always my biggest worry in exams. up til sixth year I died a thousand deaths in english because I absolutely could not write an answer for anything longer than a page. in irish, even a page on anything except poetry is a real stretch. thank jebus poetry gets the most marks on pII, it's my best question by far. I struggled to write one page each on gafa and maidhc fewkin' dainín, although I think I managed at least 500 words on the essay/debate... never did a debate before though, so I was a bit worried I'd gotten the format wrong or something.

if I were to do my leaving over(here's hoping I won't), I think I'd make a point to actually go over the próscteacs breise the day before the exam. I hadn't even glanced at it for weeks, so I went in to the exam pretty nervous. managed to waffle through it okay though, I think.

the smiley one

scorpy wrote:

if I were to do my leaving over(here's hoping I won't), I think I'd make a point to actually go over the próscteacs breise the day before the exam. I hadn't even glanced at it for weeks, so I went in to the exam pretty nervous. managed to waffle through it okay though, I think.

Same! I had vocab and stuff but I couldn't remember the names of the characters.....for an awful moment I thought I'd totally forgotten the name of the lead male in it....AHHHHHHHH! but it came back to me. Thank God!!!

colin300

I thought it fair as well nothing too hard.

I didn't bother with them 20marc poetry questions i was looking at them but couldn't even get my head around them but then again i didn't study for any of it. I did the whole exam from what I had learnt in class.

I looked at the first page and said oh no i can't do them so i flew to the back to do what i had learnt the ogham gluaiseanna and ruraíocht but as u can imagine wasn't too happy. All I wanted though was as many marks as i could scrape off the paper.

When I saw the question on Gafa i said what is this I never did this story and then it hit me it was the one about the drugs. I did the second one on gafa i think about how the family is falling apart.
I done clann lir and said about how Aoife was jealous about how Lear loved his kids and she used magic to change them into swans. Then how the Dearg or whatever his name is changed her into an air demon because he was angry with what she did.

I didn't do brilliant by any stretch of the imagination but i done a lot more then i was planning on so hopefully nothing to shocking. Got 56% in mocks with a mock Oral so hopefully should get a bit more then that. Hoping for a c1 or there abouts.

mrs. hamlet

Fishie wrote:

Well everyone had been saying that Faoileán wouldn't come up because Michael Davitt is a paedophile, I guess they may have been right?

Seriously? :eek:

Anyways, did those lines mean he loved her hair and that she was the love of the poet's? (i don't know where i got that from) and that he loved her personality aswell?

Breezer

Seriously?

Anyways, did those lines mean he loved her hair and that she was the love of the poet's? (i don't know where i got that from) and that he loved her personality aswell?

Yes and yes

BraveheartGal

you know for filiocht na bardscoileanna in stair

all i had learned was scoil na bardscoileanna
so basically i waffled on about the schools
mentioned the kinda poems these buckos did agus sin é

do you guys think thats enough?

Breezer

I wrote about the Dán Díreach, who wrote the poems, what they learned in the schools, and some ****e about the poems being recited accompanied by a harp.

BraveheartGal

the ****e will def bring you up to an a!
lol

mrs. hamlet

Fook, 4 filiocht na mbard i said they wrote tri rainn agus amhran! That v. wrong isn't it? I had only learned ogham/gluaiseanna and ruraiocht! Had to do some serious improvisation! Even though if i had been clever i would have done bealoideas and used the features from clann lir! :mad:

scorpy

I did bealoideas and went on about clann lir and seanchaí. of course I had no idea about any of it ^_^ I only studied rúraíocht and barely at that, so I just made up things about bealoideas and whatever that other one was. amhrán, I think. well I wrote about the amhrán grá for that so I guess it applies.