Would you 'rat' on a friend?

LundiMardi

If you knew someone who did something bad, would you make sure they were punished?

Be it drink driving? robbery? fraud? If you knew someone who had kiddy porn on their computer but knew they hadn't actually *done* anything what would you do?

Just general stuff. And i'm not talking about a person you know of or see every so often, i mean a REALLY good friend!

Megatron

If it was kiddie pr0n , they i'd prob report them , can't stand phedos.

If it was drunk driving , i'd give them 2 options .
1st stop it and get some help.
2nd if they dont' then yeah they would have to face the Law.


Robbery i'd be shocked tbh ... but i'd find out why first .

and as for Fraud , unless the hooked me up and show them up

Velvet Vocals

If you have a "Friend" but they have kiddie pr0n then they need help!!! Big time. You could try talking to them and seeing would they go for help, but it not then report them! You'd be doing them a favor!

Drink driving and fraud and other such law breaking is something that you should be able to let them know that you are not happy with and that you don't feel they are doing the right things but I think ratting on them is a bit much.

LundiMardi

Saint Something wrote:

If you have a "Friend" but they have kiddie pr0n then they need help!!! Big time. You could try talking to them and seeing would they go for help, but it not then report them! You'd be doing them a favor!

Drink driving and fraud and other such law breaking is something that you should be able to let them know that you are not happy with and that you don't feel they are doing the right things but I think ratting on them is a bit much.

but drink driving is a danger to other peoples lives, what if they don't think they have a problem.

Fraud can completely ruin peoples lives.

the_syco

Megatron wrote:

If it was kiddie pr0n , they i'd prob report them , can't stand phedos.

If it was drunk driving , i'd give them 2 options .
1st stop it and get some help.
2nd if they dont' then yeah they would have to face the Law.


Robbery i'd be shocked tbh ... but i'd find out why first .

and as for Fraud , unless the hooked me up and show them up

Aye, agree with all the points

Velvet Vocals

LundiMardi wrote:

but drink driving is a danger to other peoples lives, what if they don't think they have a problem.

Fraud can completely ruin peoples lives.

Sure, of course. But you have to think about it in terms of this being your friend. You can't live their life for them, as adults you have to assume that people will learn right from wrong and will make the right decisions. You can help them will those decisions by giving them the best advice that you can. But you can't make peoples choices for them.
Yes, if they are doing things that you find morally wrong, then you should tell them that, or if you feel they need help then tell them that too. But you can't make them stop or make them choose what you want them to.
If the thing is so big that you are willing to loose this friend over it, then sure, rat them out. But not many people are ever willing to go that far and with reasonable people you usually don't have to

LundiMardi

Well you can make them stop.

So are you saying if someone was commiting fraud, stealing other peoples money, drink driving regularly endangering other people's lives, that you wouldn't rat them out because you don't want to loose a friend?

how about if you think about it from another person's point of view, let's say you have a family member who was killed by a drink driver, or someone left peniless by a fraudster, how would you feel if you found out people knew about it all and didn't do anything?

Kernel

LundiMardi wrote:

Well you can make them stop.

So are you saying if someone was commiting fraud, stealing other peoples money, drink driving regularly endangering other people's lives, that you wouldn't rat them out because you don't want to loose a friend?

how about if you think about it from another person's point of view, let's say you have a family member who was killed by a drink driver, or someone left peniless by a fraudster, how would you feel if you found out people knew about it all and didn't do anything?

Was your original post a loaded question? Child porn ruins childrens lives. Yes, fraud and drink driving do too, but I think you should be more specific as to the actual problem and end this pointless debating - if you want a proper answer.

Stephen

It depends on the severity of what it is that they're doing... I.e. having pirate movies and stuff - no. Kiddie porn - yes.

Blisterman

I wouldnt care if they have kiddie porn to be honest, as long as they weren't molesting kids themselves.

Kernel

Blisterman wrote:

I wouldnt care if they have kiddie porn to be honest, as long as they weren't molesting kids themselves.

But the kids who have been abused to produce the porn will suffer for the rest of their lives with that experience, so I just think anyone who looks at that stuff or takes pleasure in it, is a part of the horrible act itself.

Tar.Aldarion

a really good friend would have to explain themselves very very well...plus i dont think my best friends could ever be capable of anything^^

Blisterman

Thats true, although whether they look at it or not, it still exists. And they do have simulated child porn too, although thats still Illegal.
Don;t get me wrong. I don't agree with child porn and I think it's sick, but I don't have too much of a problem with people looking at it.

EDIT: It's the people making it, they should be more concerned about I mean. I'm not Justifying it, before anyone thinks that.

Soap

If you would grass anyone up you couldnt consider them a friend.

Tar.Aldarion

im sry but i am going to rat on all my child porn watching,drink driving,rapist,stealing friends :eek:

LundiMardi

Blisterman wrote:

Don;t get me wrong. I don't agree with child porn and I think it's sick, but I don't have too much of a problem with people looking at it..

err, ok.

TheBigLebowski

Blisterman wrote:

Thats true, although whether they look at it or not, it still exists. And they do have simulated child porn too, although thats still Illegal.
Don;t get me wrong. I don't agree with child porn and I think it's sick, but I don't have too much of a problem with people looking at it.

EDIT: It's the people making it, they should be more concerned about I mean. I'm not Justifying it, before anyone thinks that.

I don't mean to rude or anything but are you ****ing stupid Blisterman. If there was nobody looking at it then there would be no market for it and then no children would be abused to make the child porn. The people looking at it are just as bad as the people doing it by creating the market for it.

Piste

Blisterman wrote:

Thats true, although whether they look at it or not, it still exists. And they do have simulated child porn too, although thats still Illegal.
Don;t get me wrong. I don't agree with child porn and I think it's sick, but I don't have too much of a problem with people looking at it.

EDIT: It's the people making it, they should be more concerned about I mean. I'm not Justifying it, before anyone thinks that.

Without a market, child porn wouldn't exist, the peolple buying child porn are giving money to the creater of it which only encourages them to produce more, thereby abusing and tormenting more children. Funding this crime is just as bad as commiting it.

Edit: Basuically what TheBigLebowski just said

lilulila

Blisterman wrote:

I wouldnt care if they have kiddie porn to be honest, as long as they weren't molesting kids themselves.

To be honest I would have a zero tolerance on the viewing/creating of kiddie porn. You have to consider the child themselves who as been mentally and physically abused. Whether being just a viewer or a creater you are still promoting this sick act as you are creating a demand for more of this sick stuff to be made

Tar.Aldarion

yes but people still take drugs for example no?

Helzeena

Oh hell yes honey.

Fionn McCOOL

Get them help if they needed it. Never rat them out no matter what.

lilulila

Fionn McCOOL wrote:

Get them help if they needed it. Never rat them out no matter what.

Ah come on even for kiddie porn? Thats like just brushing it under the carpet and saying its not my problem

Uthur

Nope. Why should I care if they are doing bad things - I'm not the law. So
long as they aren't ruining my sh1t I don't care what they are up to.

arbeitsscheuer

Generally no, I wouldn't rat on em, but then it depends what they did...
Most stuff, no. But I dunno, maybe rape or somethin - I don't think I could live wit knowin about that on my conscience.

It's a tough question though. Loyalty vs Morality.

LundiMardi

so if your best friend was not only looking at kiddie porn, but making it as well? i'm sure you know what i mean by 'making' it.

rubadub

making it could mean taping/photographing him/herself molesting kids. It also means photoshopping, most kiddie porn is photoshopped and is illegal to do in many countries.
Dunno if I would rat them out, but they wouldnt be my friend anymore.

LundiMardi

rubadub wrote:

making it could mean taping/photographing him/herself molesting kids. It also means photoshopping, most kiddie porn is photoshopped and is illegal to do in many countries.
Dunno if I would rat them out, but they wouldnt be my friend anymore.

well i obviously didn't mean photoshopping. You still wouldn't rat them out if they were mollesting children???

Ph3n0m

If they are doing something that is illegal and morally reprehensible such as kiddie porn - then report them - those involved in such activites are scum and should be dealt by the proper authorities.

I seriously cant believe you asking opinions on whether to report them or not - there is no way to deal with this with kid gloves, they gave up that right when they decided to indulge in this illegal practice

koneko

Depends on what they've done, but I would try talking to them first.

Kiddie porn though? Same as rubadub, they wouldn't be my friend anymore, I wouldn't want to associate with the type of person that is into that kinda thing. Report them? Perhaps. After all, they're not my friend anymore.

Ph3n0m

Friends come and go - but something as serious as kiddie porn affects those "involved" longer then most friendships last.

IMO, there is no question about "maybe reporting" them - doesnt matter if they are your best friend since whenever - in my eyes, any "friend" that does that - is no longer a friend

Piste

I would really have to make sue I fully understood the situation first. It would be horrible to report them for having child porn on their computer only to find out that it's a shared computer and it belongs to their brother/sister/other family member.

Stompbox

Well I got a Pink Form of my stupid bitch of a teacher because I wouldn't tell her who knobbed her whiteboard out of it with a permanent marker. I know it's not as incriminating as fraud or pedos but I just wanted to tell you I wouldn't rat on a friend

jezza

i got suspended for not "rattin" on my mates at the start of the year. It would depend how serious it was, i mean if they were gonna be hurt or hurt someelse i might.

Ro: maaan!

I'd have to know the full story. Whatever it is, there's always a story behind it. And circumstances are a major factor.

As for looking at child porn being the same as making it, I think not. Obviously yea, there'd be no demand for it if there weren't people looking at it. And I'm not saying looking at it is right either. But it's no way as bad. People looking at it are doing no damage to anyone directly. Anyway, don't you think that the people who make it would probably be doing it weather they're gonna sell videos of it or not...

Capt'n Midnight

LundiMardi wrote:

If you knew someone who did something bad, would you make sure they were punished?

YES Blackmail is a punishment. /me gloats

Kernel

Ro: maaan! wrote:

I'd have to know the full story. Whatever it is, there's always a story behind it. And circumstances are a major factor.

As for looking at child porn being the same as making it, I think not. Obviously yea, there'd be no demand for it if there weren't people looking at it. And I'm not saying looking at it is right either. But it's no way as bad. People looking at it are doing no damage to anyone directly. Anyway, don't you think that the people who make it would probably be doing it weather they're gonna sell videos of it or not...

Yeah Romaaan, but we're not saying it's as bad as making the porn, we're saying that those who view it and/or enjoy it are a part of the whole ****ed up sick process.

claires friend

I would not rat out a friend, yet i would put huge guilt on him to turn himself in!

I would in a situation where It would help him eg. I would contact his/her parents if he/her had an eating disorder, if going to him about it did'nt work

1

Kernel wrote:

Yeah Romaaan, but we're not saying it's as bad as making the porn, we're saying that those who view it and/or enjoy it are a part of the whole ****ed up sick process.

And what about the warez?

No deep thought'ing on the whole deeper implications of that process?

Kernel

1 wrote:

And what about the warez?

No deep thought'ing on the whole deeper implications of that process?

Warez? I'm a socialist man, I detest corporate greed in all it's forms, including the rip off prices of software. Therefore, I would in no way hold piracy in anyway near the same ****ty light as child porn. Get real will ya?

1

Kernel wrote:

Warez? I'm a socialist man, I detest corporate greed in all it's forms, including the rip off prices of software. Therefore, I would in no way hold piracy in anyway near the same ****ty light as child porn. Get real will ya?

I'm a realist. I understand a lot of people will do any thing for money.

Your just an ill thought out individual who is spouting moral arseness based on morals that are borrowed. Other wise you would have a clue.

You think detesting corperate greed or people wanting to make money from their products excuses you from the crime of theft?

Nice way of thinking. You dont associate guilt with your actions. Thats what a peado does if I recall. Finds justification.

I think I am seeing a link here...

Kernel

1 wrote:

I'm a realist. I understand a lot of people will do any thing for money.

If you are equating child pornography with software piracy then you are not a realist. Hate to break it to ya.

1 wrote:

Your just an ill thought out individual who is spouting moral arseness based on morals that are borrowed. Other wise you would have a clue.

No I'm not, you know nothing about me, or how I have formed my morality. Maybe I was abused as a child for example, and have first hand knowledge of it. You're the one who hasn't got a clue if you jump to such assumptions! :rolleyes:

1 wrote:

You think detesting corperate greed or people wanting to make money from their products excuses you from the crime of theft?

Yes, I do actually, but it's a complex anti-capitalist ideology which I've developed and it would take waaay to long to try to teach you it.

1 wrote:

Nice way of thinking. You dont associate guilt with your actions. Thats what a peado does if I recall. Finds justification.

I think I am seeing a link here...

Once again, by linking software piracy with child pornography you are a misguided person, and most reasonable people on boards would surely agree?
Don't you understand that people trying out software or music which they probably never would have bought, and thus reducing the already astronomical profit margin of software companies by a small fraction is incomparable to the heinous and life destroying crime of child abuse / child pornography?

Once again, get real!

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Kernel wrote:

If you are equating child pornography with software piracy then you are not a realist. Hate to break it to ya.



No I'm not, you know nothing about me, or how I have formed my morality. Maybe I was abused as a child for example, and have first hand knowledge of it. You're the one who hasn't got a clue if you jump to such assumptions! :rolleyes:



Yes, I do actually, but it's a complex anti-capitalist ideology which I've developed and it would take waaay to long to try to teach you it.



Once again, by linking software piracy with child pornography you are a misguided person, and most reasonable people on boards would surely agree?
Don't you understand that people trying out software or music which they probably never would have bought, and thus reducing the already astronomical profit margin of software companies by a small fraction is incomparable to the heinous and life destroying crime of child abuse / child pornography?

Once again, get real!

I dint link the two. I merely pointed out a flaw in your argument.

I point you to the part were I said you justified your crime.

Crime is based on a legal law and not society’s moral feelings towards an act or subject. You can screw a young girl and boy good in some countries. Without looking it up I think you can go as young as 12? And some people think you should be married before you feel your mots tit?

Unfortunately there is no age restriction on stealing goods from people with regards to Audio or Visual material. It states as much on the product.

You can spout your anit capitalist crap as much as you like.

Sure dont drink driver think they're doing no harm.

Blisterman

I understand that if noone bought kiddie porn that none would be made. Don't get me wrong. But I think it's the people that make it that the police should be after. I mean a lot of porn stars are sexually abused, but the police arent after people for looking at porn.
I agree with it being illegal, due to it being used by pedos for grooming, but I think the police should use the people they find looking at it, to try and find the really bad guys, as opposed to just giving them prison sentances, if that makes any sense.

wes

Wow, i can't believe some of you on here. If some is looking at Kiddie porn or taking part in it, dear god yes i would report them no question about it. Some things are so reprensible there should be no question. Friend or not they deserve to rot in a hole for a long time.

As for a drink driver, and it isn't a one time thing i would not, but if its a constant thing then yes. Its not ratting,they are putting peoples lives in danger and quite frankly if your stupid enough to drink drive you deserve to lose you licence at the very least.

I know sometimes things aren't quite as black and white as the above, but in the end a friend who does these things is probably not worth being friends with and just use the childish usage of the word "ratting" to make you out as someone in the wrong for telling people about there misdeeds. You would think we were on the school yard or something.

Blisterman

Good point. Why would you be friends with someone that did that?

funk-you

LundiMardi wrote:

If you knew someone who did something bad, would you make sure they were punished?

Just general stuff. And i'm not talking about a person you know of or see every so often, i mean a REALLY good friend!

NO

Kernel

1 wrote:

I dint link the two. I merely pointed out a flaw in your argument.

I point you to the part were I said you justified your crime.

Of course you linked the two. Jesus, if you cant even realise that then I am really wasting my time here.

1 wrote:

Crime is based on a legal law and not society’s moral feelings towards an act or subject. You can screw a young girl and boy good in some countries. Without looking it up I think you can go as young as 12? And some people think you should be married before you feel your mots tit?

I'm aware that there is a law, what you are not aware of is that some crimes are more morally reprehensible than others. Would you equate jaywalking with rape? And for the record, 'societies' which allow sex at 12 are backward and immoral.

1 wrote:

You can spout your anit capitalist crap as much as you like.

Sure dont drink driver think they're doing no harm.

Thanks, I will spout it, it's my right to free speech and political opinion. It's not crap, you're just not aware of what corporate controlled capitalism really is, I'm sure, but that's another thread. And your statement about drink drivers thinking they are doing no harm is your way of saying pirates think they are doing no harm, but what we are talking about is child pornography, so once again you have equated a minor crime of software piracy with child pornography.

Ergo, your argument is bull****.

Fionn McCOOL

LundiMardi wrote:

If you knew someone who did something bad, would you make sure they were punished?

Be it drink driving? robbery? fraud? If you knew someone who had kiddy porn on their computer but knew they hadn't actually *done* anything what would you do?

Just general stuff. And i'm not talking about a person you know of or see every so often, i mean a REALLY good friend!

Anyone read the above. Its if your friend had child porn on their pc, NOT abusing kids themselves. I know all of the arguments that its just as bad but if it was my best friend, like I said I'd get them help. I'd be shocked, disgusted, dissilusioned, probably destroy our friendship but I would never rat them out. One of the posts said the phrase " ratting out " was childish, did you read the title because people are only answering the question asked. To the guy who equates warez with all other crimes,* you are morally perfect,your inate goodness shines brightly.Mere mortals like ourselves can only aspire to be like you. You are Gods favourite son and a safe passage to Heaven awaits you.

*sarcasm

koneko

Kernel wrote:

And your statement about drink drivers thinking they are doing no harm is your way of saying pirates think they are doing no harm, but what we are talking about is child pornography, so once again you have equated a minor crime of software piracy with child pornography.

Why do you keep going back to this point about him equating kiddie porn and warez? He's not making that point at all. I know you're trying to do it to make his argument seem void, after all, someone says that warez is as bad as kiddie porn must be an idiot, but he's not saying that at all. Are you reading his posts?

Kernel

koneko wrote:

Why do you keep going back to this point about him equating kiddie porn and warez? He's not making that point at all. I know you're trying to do it to make his argument seem void, after all, someone says that warez is as bad as kiddie porn must be an idiot, but he's not saying that at all. Are you reading his posts?

Several times he has (quite obviously) attempted to link the two. His point is that breaking the law with warez pirating is similar to breaking the law with child porn. That is called a link. You should read his posts!?