German

Hugo Reyes

Lets start a German Thread anyone have any tips,

I think its best to do it in the order of the paper.

Take time with Grammar sect, never guess and watch out for obvious tricks,

For the written section make sure that it is quality over quantity, dont write much more than is asked for,

In the tape where they ask you for the problem during the second bit (the note) just write down as much german as you hear, even if u dont understand it and make sure to state the obvious answers too

for the questions in the tape on expression (how do you know he is depressed or whatever) answer as much as possible in both german and english

also answer loads of obvious stuff for the last q in the 1st comprehension and dont worry if u dont understand the whole story!


If asked to describe a person
make sure to throw in a few adjectives like charming/friendl whatever even if if they are not mentioned in the text,just describe her personality as well as teh facts you are given ie bus driver,uniform etc. good luck!

randomfella

don't read the comprehension u won't have time.

Start immediately by reading the english questions. THen the german ones and use the lines to get the answer.

Practice grammar its the number one fall-down for most people. If u don't have the correct grammar u will always be docked. Nobdoy ever knows every word on the paper but u have to be smart about it. Logical guessing. I think i've laid solid foundation with the orals. I'm hoping to get the A. got B1 in mocks. i find listening drags me down a bit. sometimes that news section can be little tricky.

fest genommen - arrested.

Also the telephone call where u answer in german can be slightly tricky. I find great variation down through the years in German. some were easy while others were far more challenging. Written section is easy if u iron out your mistakes.

baby*cham*bell

in always write loads but i never bothered with grammer. i suppose ill just write and then go back and fix stuff (ill leave enogh time)
the grammer q should be alright thouhgh

mind you after 5 years of german, i don't know any prepostions!
going for a B or A, got 65% in mocks and didn't study

german listening is very easy, because German speakers speak very clearly.

don't forget the oral has probably brought you up a grade, becuase you hardly had any actaul converstion, it was all learnt off.

does any one else find a big difference between comp. 1 and comp.2?
in the mocks i got 32/65 in the first and 63/65 in the second!

the style q is easy to get full marks in, but many people ignore it!

randomfella wrote:

i find listening drags me down a bit. .

Same. They tend to be looking for things that aren't really stated in the question. Best to write as long and full an answer as possible. Read all the marking schemes to understand how they think.

Shyster

for the questions on "how do you know this" and "why do you think he is confused/annoyed etc" (i think its in the third part) ... are they to be answered FULLY in english or can you take things that the person said directly from the tape?

the smiley one

Our teacher tells us for that part of the listening ("list the phrase that show the caller is angry/worried/hysterical etc.) that the answers canm be either in English or German... Can anyone else back me up on that? (wsa wondering about it myself.

baby*cham*bell

the smiley one wrote:

Our teacher tells us for that part of the listening ("list the phrase that show the caller is angry/worried/hysterical etc.) that the answers canm be either in English or German... Can anyone else back me up on that? (wsa wondering about it myself.

yup my teacher said the'll accept either, because so many people leave it blank!!
ich mag deutsch, aber manchmal es ist ein bischen swcherig, nein?

the smiley one

naja, bestimmt! So they will accept it in the LC deffo?

Oh btw, Ich wiess dass es ein bisschen komisch ist aber konnen wir vielleicht ein bisschen auf Deutsch sprechen? Mein Deutsch ist ziemlich gut und dafur habe ich es nicht so viel geubt denn meine andere Facher brauche es mehr. Kann jemand meine Grammatik korrigieren auch, und ich werde ihre grammatik korrigieren....wenn ich es machen kann....also, Tchuss

baby*cham*bell

the smiley one wrote:

naja, bestimmt! So they will accept it in the LC deffo?

Oh btw, Ich wiess dass es ein bisschen komisch ist aber konnen wir vielleicht ein bisschen auf Deutsch sprechen? Mein Deutsch ist ziemlich gut und dafur habe ich es nicht so viel geubt denn meine andere Facher brauche es mehr. Kann jemand meine Grammatik korrigieren auch, und ich werde ihre grammatik korrigieren....wenn ich es machen kann....also, Tchuss

ja, Super! (speaks like cheesey German) Das wa(umlat!)re Prima!
Meinen Gramatik ist sehr SEHR slecht. Ich brauche hilfe (soo wrong!)
welche Fa(umlat)cher lernen Sie fu(umlat) die Deutcshe Prufung Schriftlife Produktion?

baby*cham*bell

the smiley one wrote:

naja, bestimmt! So they will accept it in the LC deffo?

Oh btw, Ich wiess dass es ein bisschen komisch ist aber konnen wir vielleicht ein bisschen auf Deutsch sprechen? Mein Deutsch ist ziemlich gut und dafur habe ich es nicht so viel geubt denn meine andere Facher brauche es mehr. Kann jemand meine Grammatik korrigieren auch, und ich werde ihre grammatik korrigieren....wenn ich es machen kann....also, Tchuss

ja, Super! (speaks like cheesey German) Das wa(umlat!)re Prima!
Meinen Gramatik ist sehr SEHR slecht. Ich brauche hilfe (soo wrong!)
welche Fa(umlat)cher lernen Sie fu(umlat)r die Deutcshe Prufung Schriftlife Produktion?

If you're typing German on an english keyboard, an accepted way to do umlauts is to just add an e after the letter. EG: franzoesisch

Africa

Ich hoffe, dass mein Deutsch ist nicht so schlecht! Ach, ich habe viele Deutschen Kumpels, und ich hoffe, dass ich genug Deutsch gelernt haben!

Sieg Heil! Ich liebe Krieg, und ich liebe der Fuhrer!



Hope i do ok. My grammer is pretty sh*t and will probably pull my marks don a lot. The listening is grand, i can talk german grand! Going to germany on the 22nD!!!

the smiley one

baby*cham*bell wrote:

ja, Super! (speaks like cheesey German) Das wa(umlat!)re Prima!
Meinen Gramatik ist sehr SEHR slecht. Ich brauche hilfe (soo wrong!)
welche Fa(umlat)cher lernen Sie fu(umlat) die Deutcshe Prufung Schriftlife Produktion?

Ich weiss nicht genau...Um die Wahrheit zu sagen, habe ich nicht viel gemacht aber ich habe zwei Tagen frei vor meiner Deutsche Pruefung aber noch mache ich mich sorgen fuer Deutsch... ich mache zu viel Irisch jetzt und dann kann ich nicht Deutsch lernen!!! Also, als ich gesagt habe, habe ich nicht wirklich fuer das Schriftliche Producktion gelernt aber hat jemand "tips". Hoeffentlich wuerde es leicht sein....bitte..... Fuer meine "mocks" habe ich Die EU erweiterung, drogen, das rauchverbot, und auch die Themen fuer die Bildergeschichte; rassismus, fettliebigkeit, handys, und andere sachen gelernt aber ich erinnere mich nicht (is that reflexive does anyone know ??)

Was soll ich fuer die Grammatik lernen? Im allgemeinen, verliere ich punkte in diesem Abschnitt

Vielen Dank!

Shyster

sich errineren an....yup tis reflexive

Fuer Angewandte Grammatik.....its impossible to predict i suppose but going by past form..
question words: Wer/wen/wem, wofur etc
and cases. I dont think verbs will come up at all....just me saying that though!

the smiley one

Shyster wrote:

sich errineren an....yup tis reflexive

Fuer Angewandte Grammatik.....its impossible to predict i suppose but going by past form..
question words: Wer/wen/wem, wofur etc
and cases. I dont think verbs will come up at all....just me saying that though

no no no!! I like my verbs......
Here's hoping you're wrong!
Ne tips for the Schriftliche Produktion?

Shyster

nope sorry, my teacher gave us a past paper as our pre so ive no idea what was in the pres that were around either....enlighten me?!

the smiley one

Well, I got the smoking ban, English and it's importance, Irish and it's importance, and.....something about the EU....I think... That was in the letter. The other "thing" was about safety on the roads

the Auesserungs zum Thema was linked to the text, and the other option was about people with disabilities and how we can make it easier for them to get around etc.


Hugo Reyes - you said something about not writing too much?
I was talking to my teacher about this (I can, at times, be a bit over-zealous) and she was saying as long as it's good then it doesn't matter if you write a lot (I don't do French, but I hear that you should stick pretty strictly to the guidelines in the free write on that paper...maybe you are confusing it?)

baby*cham*bell

Africa wrote:

Ich hoffe, dass mein Deutsch ist nicht so schlecht! Ach, ich habe viele Deutschen Kumpels, und ich hoffe, dass ich genug Deutsch gelernt haben!

Sieg Heil! Ich liebe Krieg, und ich liebe der Fuhrer!



Hope i do ok. My grammer is pretty sh*t and will probably pull my marks don a lot. The listening is grand, i can talk german grand! Going to germany on the 22nD!!!

thanks for the confidence boost
ich habe keine Deutschen Kumpels, und ein schletes Deutschen Leherin
Spanisch ist mein wichtiger Sprache fuer das Ablschlusspruefung. ich wurde gute Noten bekommen, denn es ist so leicht, nicht als Deutsch
(looks at grammer and cries) got 65% in mocks, didn't do grammer section

baby*cham*bell

Shyster wrote:

sich errineren an....yup tis reflexive

Fuer Angewandte Grammatik.....its impossible to predict i suppose but going by past form..
question words: Wer/wen/wem, wofur etc
and cases. I dont think verbs will come up at all....just me saying that though!

apparently perfekt or passiv could come up

baby*cham*bell

the smiley one wrote:

Well, I got the smoking ban, English and it's importance, Irish and it's importance, and.....something about the EU....I think... That was in the letter. The other "thing" was about safety on the roads

the Auesserungs zum Thema was linked to the text, and the other option was about people with disabilities and how we can make it easier for them to get around etc.


Hugo Reyes - you said something about not writing too much?
I was talking to my teacher about this (I can, at times, be a bit over-zealous) and she was saying as long as it's good then it doesn't matter if you write a lot (I don't do French, but I hear that you should stick pretty strictly to the guidelines in the free write on that paper...maybe you are confusing it?)

apparently that makes a big difference in french
as you can see, my grammer is appaling, i think my mock letter was 2 1/2 pages, got around a B in it? it was the EU, irish, languages, ect, that one

chicken_food

A general rule set by the department which sounds very silly and obvious is "if the Q is asked in german ANSWER in German, if the Q is asked in english ANSWER in english
If you answer the question with the wrong language then the max you can get is half of the points for that question.

Also for grammar revision, look over your pic sequences and role plays as they repeat the themes in one or more of them. This will help you with the Ausserung zum themas and letters. Having done the Lc last year and repeating this year, i definatly found it to be true last year.

Africa

baby*cham*bell wrote:

thanks for the confidence boost
ich habe keine Deutschen Kumpels, und ein schletes Deutschen Leherin
Spanisch ist mein wichtiger Sprache fuer das Ablschlusspruefung isnt this just Abitur? Abitur=Leaving Cert. ich wurdeshouldnt this be mochter? gute Noten bekommen, denn es ist so leicht, nicht als Deutsch
(looks at grammer and cries) got 65% in mocks, didn't do grammer section

I think we should post some important vocab that we think others could use...

baby*cham*bell

Africa wrote:

I think we should post some important vocab that we think others could use...

Ja,
Abitur is the German finishing exam
Abschlusspruefung is "ending exam", thought it was more appropriate

no, not moechte, i will get good marks in Spanish, despite my ****ty German, im very linguistic (ah my one good subject, Spanish how i love thee)

enough about me, Vocab.
my faves::

Hungersnot=Famine
Armut: Poverty (not povertismus as i said in the mox)
emmmmm (nearly cries again) emmmmm

Africa

ah sehr gut! Ich hoffe dass, du gute Noten bekommen werden!

I have loads, been doing vocab for last two days... heres a few:

erstens-Firstly
Schliesslich-Finally
Es stimmt, dass-its true that
unter anderem-among other things
Im Grunde-Basically
geniessen-to enjoy
entsheiden-to decide
Meiner Meinung nach-In my opinion
Freiheit-Freedom
Freizeit-free time
Heutzutage-these days
Medialle-Medals
beruhmte-famous
niemals-never
bunten-colourful
rundfunk-radio
spannend-exciting
so zu sagen-so to say
verletzt-injured(useful for the tape!)
Berichten-reports (news..)
zunehmen-to increase
behindert-handicapped
Verein-club
freiwillig-volentary
Dienst-service
veil Erfolg-lots of success
Mitgleid-member
gefahrlich-dangerous
Vorschriften-rules
Erfahrung-experience
Unfall-accident

baby*cham*bell

Muchas Gracias, Sie wurden gute Noten in Deutsch bekommen, bestimmt!(word order??? )
ein"A", ich denke!
ooo, ooo
my teacher said this is important
Uberfall= raid

Imbissstuhle- snack bar (listening mocks)
Fluchtlinger-Refugee
Leistungsdruck- pressure to achieve
Trinkkulture- Drinking Culture

randomfella

es soll erwaehnt dass, - it should be mentioned that
gleichzeitig - simulataneously
zeitverschwendung - waste of time
damals - at that time
Ich glaube - i believe
ich meine - i opine - not an english word but u know what i mean
ich bin der Meinung - i am of the opinion
Wirklich - really
ehrlich - honestly
Die Wahrheit - The truth
Es gaebe viel Druck - there would be much pressure

chicken_food wrote:

A general rule set by the department which sounds very silly and obvious is "if the Q is asked in german ANSWER in German, if the Q is asked in english ANSWER in english
If you answer the question with the wrong language then the max you can get is half of the points for that question.
.

I answered a couple of questions in the wrong language in the mocks. It's cool that they give you half the marks, because it's an easy mistake to make.

Africa

Not really if you read it.

Gute arbeit randomfella, i took a few of those down!

baby*cham*bell

Kinderreich- has many kids

randomfella

Ich kapiere - ich verstehe - i understand
angucken - look at (trennbar)
Es gefaellt mir gut - it appeals to me
Ich freue mich sehr auf - i'm really looking forward to...


Can someother people post up some stuff. its good to see we can learn from each other

Shyster

ich muss gestehen =i have to admit
ich kenne mich nicht so gut in....aus =i dont know too much about...
Einerseits......Andererseits =on one hand, on the other
ich schlage vor, dass wir.. =i suggest that we..
Mein Vorschlag ist... =my suggestion is..
Ich stimme damit... =i agree with that
Da gebe ich dir recht =i think you're right there
ich bin dagegen =im against that
ich sehe nicht ein, warum.... =i dont see why...

Also it sounds good when you throw in words like "gern, naturlich, gar(nicht), also, etc" it sounds more natural...so ive been told anyway!

randomfella

einverstanden mit - agree with

baby*cham*bell

das ist mir egal - its all the same to me (yay i got one !!! )

Shyster

randomfella wrote:

einverstanden mit - agree with

does that mean its "ich verstehe damit ein"?

baby*cham*bell

Alkohol spielt ein zu grosse Rolle in Irland- alcohol plays to big a role in Ireland

randomfella

Shyster wrote:

does that mean its "ich verstehe damit ein"?

yeah sorry i mean einverstehen - school boy error.

Yea ur right - ich verstehe mit dir darueber ein

the smiley one

k, a bit of vocab.....hmm..this might be slightly random....

Meiner Meinung nach (change w.o.after) - It is my opinion
Ich stimme (nicht) zu - I (don't) agree
EU Erweiterung - EU enlargement
behinderte Leute - disabled people
em......*trys to think*
drogensuchtig (not sure of sp) - addicted to drugs
Lungenkrebs - lung cancer
moeglichkeit - possibility/opportunity
Das geht doch nicht! - Literally - "that doesn't go", but basically when you are disagreeing with something you use it
Neulich - recently
gefaehrlich - dangerous

damnit.....that's all I can think of for now..... will be back with more at a later date.....




btw natuerlich is a great agreeing word - the Deutche use it ALL THE TIME

randomfella

passieren - happen
zur Zeit - at the moment
Die Bewolkerung - the population
Die Zahl - the population
Die Iren sind zum grossen Teil Katholisch - the irish are mostly catholic
Das Ziel - The goal
vorwiegend - predominantly
entschlossen - determined
Die Vorteile/Die Nachteile - the advantage/disadvantage
Die Bewegungsfreiheit - the freedom of movement
Die Arbeitserlaubnis - the work permit
Die Mehrheit - majority
Die Minderheit - minority
Die Faehigkeit - ability
Die Anpassungsfaehigkeit - adaptability
Die Grosszuegigkeit - Generousity
Die Ausbildung - the training
Die Glaubwuerdigkeit - credibility
Die Gesellshaft - society
Die Wirtschaft - the economy
Der Abfall - the rubbish
Abhaengen von (DAT) - depend on
Abhaengig - addicted
ablehnen - reject
Die Absicht - the intention
Abweisen - reject
achten - respect
aehnlich - similiar
Der Analphabetismus - illiteracy
angesehen - respected
Die Arbeitskraefte - the workforce
atemberaubend - breath taking
Die Aufgabe - the task
aufpassen - look after
Der Aufwand - cost
ausdruecken - to express
ausgesprochen - extremely
ausrede - excuse
Die Ausrottung - the excuse
Die Ausruestung - equipment
Ausser (DAT) - except for
aussergewoehnlich - unusual
austragen - to deliver (newspapers)
Die Auswahl - the selection
Auswandern - to emigrate
bedauern - to regret
bedeuten - mean
beeindrucken - to impress (how would u say he impressed me? not sure how this verb works)
beeinflussen - to influence (and this one)
befehlen - command
begruenden - to justify
beklommen - anxious
beladen - busy
belasten - pollute
belegen - to prove

*marie*

baby*cham*bell wrote:

Muchas Gracias, Sie wurden gute Noten in Deutsch bekommen, bestimmt!(word order??? )

Sie werden bestimmten gute Noten in Deutsch bekommen.-I think that's right!
I think it's werden rather than wurden cos wurden would be conditional tense, werden future

randomfella

beneiden - to envy
benutzen - to use
beraten - to advise
beschliessen - to decide
beschreiben - to describe
besondere - special
besprehen - to discuss
bestimmt - certain
betonen - to emphasise
betreffen - to affect
betreuen - aufpassen
Die Bewegun - movement
Das bewusstsein - consciousness
Die Beziehung - relationship
bitten um - request/ask for
Die Buergerschaft - nationality
darlegen - explain
deutlich - clear
durcheinander - in a mess
Der Ehrgeiz - the ambition
Die Eigenschaft - characteristic

*marie*

As a tip, our teachers are saying Obesity among children for the Aeusserung zum Thema, it's been in the news recently and it came up in some of the mocks. But it's always hard to guess with that section, remember last year-it was about an electricity plant or something!

randomfella

Der Eindruck - the impression
Die Einigheit - the unity
einstellen - stop
Die Einstellung - attitude/position/opinion
eng - close
Die Entspannung - relaxation
Die Enttaeuschung - disappointment
Entwicklung - development
Der Erfolg - Success
Ergebnis - Results
erleben - to experience
Die Erfahrung - the experience
erscheinen - to appear
erwaehnen - to mention
erzaehlen - to tell
festnehmen - arrest

randomfella

Schon mal wieder einen Brief von dir zu bekommen. Vielen dank dafuer! Entschuldige bitte meine Schreibfaulheit, aber du hast das Grund dafur erraten : Das Leaving Cert.
Aber nun zu deinen Fragen.

Wenn du noch welche (i think this should be weitere) Fragen hast, schreib mir. Ich helfe dir gern. Schoenen Dank nochmal!
Mit freunlichen Gruessen,

---

randomfella

Austausch - exchange
anderhalb - hour and a half
einheimischen - native
einfach toll - simply great
Umzuege - parades
ich gebe zu, dass - i admit that
geniessen - enjoy
verbringen - spend
entweder.. oder - either .. or
Losung - solution
Das waere moeglich - that'd be possible
Ich nahm an, dass - i accepted that
irrtum - mistake
pleite - broke
versprochen - promised
Deshalb - therefore
Erkundigen - inform
Arbeitgeberin - employer (fem.)
Besheid - info.
bestehen - insist
vereinbart - confirmed
Anzahlung - deposit
zufrieden - satisfied
Das macht mir nichts aus - i don't mind
Trinkgeld - tips
Besteck - cutlery
Geschirr - delph?
Bestellungen - orders
erschaffen - to create
ich bugele - i iron
schulausflug - school trip
Aehnlichkeiten - similiarities
Sauberer - cleaner
verlaessig - reliable
stattfinden - take place
nicht nur... sondern auch - not only .... but also

Fortinbras'

these are fantastic any more?

defiantshrimp

randomfella wrote:

don't read the comprehension u won't have time.

That is the stupidest thing I have ever heard! If you don't read the whole passage your style question answer will be terrible, as will any other answer that doesn't specify lines (there are always some). You should read all the questions first and look out for the style question's answers during the first reading. Then answer the questions in the order they come.

As regards what order to do them, I'd say you should do the journalist comprehension 1st, then the literary one, then the Grammar, then the essay, and finally the letter. I find the literary can be quite hard some years and it can throw you off if you do it first. Whatever you do, do not do the written section first.

baby*cham*bell

Katzenjammer-Hangover

Cool_CM

baby*cham*bell wrote:

Katzenjammer-Hangover

Ich weiss, aber in Deutschland bekommt man kein kater weil das bier so gut ist!
Ich liebe Deutsch und wochte da wohnen ,aber leider ist mein grammatik schlecht. Kannst du mich hilfen bitte!?

randomfella

defiantshrimp wrote:

That is the stupidest thing I have ever heard! If you don't read the whole passage your style question answer will be terrible, as will any other answer that doesn't specify lines (there are always some). You should read all the questions first and look out for the style question's answers during the first reading. Then answer the questions in the order they come.

As regards what order to do them, I'd say you should do the journalist comprehension 1st, then the literary one, then the Grammar, then the essay, and finally the letter. I find the literary can be quite hard some years and it can throw you off if you do it first. Whatever you do, do not do the written section first.

What i meant to say was don't read over it until u get to the style question - theres usually only one that doesn't specify lines. At this stage u will already have a good knowledge of the text from answering the other lines so reading it should me much faster. Take my tip with a pinch of salt but i got full marks in the comprehension in the mocks.

andrew163

randomfella wrote:

Geschirr - delph?

...dishes, etc

CM wrote:

mich hilfen bitte!?

kannst du mir hilfen, bitte!?
that verb (to help... cant remember the infinitive.. its either hilfen or helfen... ) takes the dative case

Sully

Any tips for German Ordinary Level??