New car regs for Dublin ?

Silvera

From todays Sunday Independent -

"Councils in move for new car regs for D northside.
Dublin mayors want seperate plates for different areas of capital"


The article basically states that suggestions are being made for the introduction of seperate index marks for Dubiln North, South, Fingal and Dunlaoghaire/Rathdown.
(Perhaps somebody can post the full text here).

I'm guessing that the following would be the new index marks -

Dublin South - 'DS'
Dublin North - 'DN'
Fingal - 'F' (or 'FL')
Dunlaoghaire/Rathdown - 'DR'

Opinions ?
Good or bad idea ?

Nuttzz

whats the point of it? northside / southside snobbery? nonsense IMO

saobh_ie

More information for witness's to remember after cars flee crime scenes and more potential hits for partials on the Garda computers.

And snobbery.

aodh_rua

Maybe it's something to do with motor tax\licence plates being a matter for the local authority. Perhaps the various councils feel its about time that the business was handled like to rest of the country.

philologos

thats a pile of bollox if u ask me lol just coz the northside want to be their own entity or summat keep it simple is what I say instead of all this district division crap

zapata

Seems logical and about time to me.
The annual 'D' registration has exceeded 100,000 for a number of years now.
Limerick has had 'LK' and 'L' for years.
and Tipperary has 'TN' and 'TS'.
:cool:

Hotblack Desiato

Silvera wrote:

I'm guessing that the following would be the new index marks -
Dublin North - 'DN'

Sorry, DN is reserved for County Down

LegacyUser

Sounds like bollocks to me. Anyone remember a few years back when they wanted to split the GAA team into Dublin North and Dublin South?! Ridiculous!!

coolhandluke

More civil servants with too much time on their hands,dublin is dublin is dublin is dublin.D D D D D D D D :mad:

jesus_thats_gre

Should just use DNS... Dirty North Side

BrianD

This was on Newstalk during the week and the rational behind it was that it would help tourism is South Dublin Co. Co. (it was a rep from SDCC who was on). His logic that people were confused because there was Fingal Co Co, South Dublin etc. and that there was an identity crises. It was probably the lamest rationale i have ever heard. The identity crises has been caused by the councils themselves putting up signs like "Welcome to Co. Fingal" when they should have put up "Welcome to Co. Dublin - Fingal Co. Co. Municipal Area or words to that effect. Were all Dubliners stick with the D.

Guy:Incognito

While we're on the subject, why do Limerick and Tipp have two different plates each?

bazz26

Stekelly wrote:

While we're on the subject, why do Limerick and Tipp have two different plates each?

As far as I know it is something to do with revenue that the councils receive from motor tax.

Stephen

In Tipperary you have Tipperary North Riding and Tipperary South Riding - two local authorities basically, so two different plates - TN and TS.
You see the same in waterford - W and WD. As far as I know, one is waterford city, and the other is waterford county.
I assume something similar applies to L and LK.

jlang

Few points - to the original poster, what's the difference between Dublin North and Fingal? Also, even if they split up the letters for the separate Dublin county areas, they should still only have one authority issuing them - to split up the office and duplicate administrative functions just do they can be done at a 'County' level seems contrary to good administrative practice. And what's the point, I'd rather not be labelled as a Southsider.

Einstein

what difference does it make?

jlang

Stephen wrote:

In Tipperary you have Tipperary North Riding and Tipperary South Riding - two local authorities basically, so two different plates - TN and TS.
You see the same in waterford - W and WD. As far as I know, one is waterford city, and the other is waterford county.
I assume something similar applies to L and LK.

That's basically it, in those areas they had two registration offices. Dublin only ever had one, with (now) branch offices in the suburbs. Being a Revenue Commissioners/Dept of Transport function (or it's predecessors) it's not directly related to counties, but the boundaries were shared with the counties.

eth0_

ninja900 wrote:

Sorry, DN is reserved for County Down

eh....sorry to break it to you but County Down is in the U.K. :OP

Dub13

Dublin City Council area is spread over the Northside and the Southside....what plates will they use..?

MercMad

Its typical crap that WE have to put up with just to satisfy the pencil pushers !

How did they get away with introducing a "New" County (Fingal) anyway ??

The people certainly never asked, nor were asked, for it !!

egan007

SO - how can anyone clomplain does it make a difference?
i drive a D reg - i'm not from dublin - i don't care what the number on my car says


jeeeeezzzzzzzz- complain about somehting worth complaining about

BrianD

Funny you should say that. On the Newstalk interview the topic of whether people would be reluctant to buy cars from certain counties. There was a suggestion that people would prefer to buy a D reg car as opposed to say a CN one? Any thought?

fjon

Ah sure the reg doesn't mean anything anyway. If you buy a second hand car it could have any county on the reg, and most people wouldn't care.
In other countries (Germany, US), the reg plates have to match the place you live in. If that were the case here there would be more reason to complain.
BTW, I thought the Co.Co.s in Dublin were DL/Rathdown, Fingal, Dublin South and Dublin City - where is Dublin North coming from?

Dades

egan007 wrote:

SO - how can anyone clomplain does it make a difference?
i drive a D reg - i'm not from dublin - i don't care what the number on my car says

jeeeeezzzzzzzz- complain about somehting worth complaining about

Touché!

People will have a huff and a puff about anything.

David Stewart

BrianD wrote:

Funny you should say that. On the Newstalk interview the topic of whether people would be reluctant to buy cars from certain counties. There was a suggestion that people would prefer to buy a D reg car as opposed to say a CN one? Any thought?

Back in the 80s when I was living in Galway, a neighbour bought a new car but had it registered in Dublin on the grounds that a Dublin reg would help it maintain its resale value. His argument was that because of the weather in the West, potential buyers might be put off by the Galway reg thinking that the car was more prone to rust.

David

MercMad

It used to be the case that "D" cars were more in demand. The population was larger in Dublin so therefore there was a larger concentration of new car sales.

People were, possibly correctly, assuming that cars used in potholed Cavan were being bounced around the roads up there ! The roads outside the capital were definitely in worse condition than in Dublin !

Not the case anymore though, so there may be some bargains for the savy buyer !

blastman

A dealer spun the same yarn to a friend of mine a few years back when he was trying to get a decent price trading in his MN reg car. Bunch of @rse!

Same with Fingal, whoever decided to put up those signs saying Co. Fingal should be beaten to death with them.

Victor

Silvera wrote:

Dublin South - 'DS'
Dublin North - 'DN'
Fingal - 'F' (or 'FL')
Dunlaoghaire/Rathdown - 'DR'

More likely:
Dublin City - 'D'
Dunlaoghaire/Rathdown - 'DR'
Fingal - 'FL'
South Dublin - 'SD' (or 'DS')

coolhandluke wrote:

More civil servants with too much time on their hands,dublin is dublin is dublin is dublin.D D D D D D D D :mad:

Except when its Leixlip.

Stephen wrote:

In Tipperary you have Tipperary North Riding and Tipperary South Riding - two local authorities basically, so two different plates - TN and TS.

While that was the original logic, the Riding business doesn't exist anymore (except for the horsey set ) . Its now North Tipperary and South Tipperary .

http://www.tipperarynorth.ie/
http://www.southtippcoco.ie/

Squirrel

Why do they care, the dealers make the plates to whatever county the customer chooses

parsi

MercMad wrote:

Its typical crap that WE have to put up with just to satisfy the pencil pushers !

How did they get away with introducing a "New" County (Fingal) anyway ??

The people certainly never asked, nor were asked, for it !!

Eh.. it was proposed by the Mayors.. these don't class as pencil pushers. I'm sure the public servants are looking at this and saying "another bright scheme from yer man..."

bazz26

Squirrel wrote:

Why do they care, the dealers make the plates to whatever county the customer chooses

Not on second hand ones.

CrowdedHouse

David Stewart wrote:

Back in the 80s when I was living in Galway, a neighbour bought a new car but had it registered in Dublin on the grounds that a Dublin reg would help it maintain its resale value. His argument was that because of the weather in the West, potential buyers might be put off by the Galway reg thinking that the car was more prone to rust.

David

Down here in the sticks years ago I used to hear the opposite......dont buy a Dublin car cos the the clutch would be knackered and the engine overheating from crawling in traffic all the time

bazz26

Same thing down here where their are suberbs of Limerick City called Shannon Banks and Westbury which are actually in Co. Clare but most people living there register their as 05 L because they think they will have a better resales value.

I have had CE and D reg cars and the number plate doesn't bother me, I'm more concerned about the condition of the car.

Our man in Havana

Victor wrote:

More likely:
Dublin City - 'D'
Dunlaoghaire/Rathdown - 'DR'
Fingal - 'FL'
South Dublin - 'SD' (or 'DS')
Except when its Leixlip.

While that was the original logic, the Riding business doesn't exist anymore (except for the horsey set ) . Its now North Tipperary and South Tipperary .

http://www.tipperarynorth.ie/
http://www.southtippcoco.ie/

Well its still called Tipperary NR county council and Tipperary SR county council.

CrowdedHouse

Bond-007 wrote:

Well its still called Tipperary NR county council and Tipperary SR county council.

No its not,here at least, its North Tipperary County Council and has been for a while,no harm to get rid of those Brit designations.
(I'm just being retro in 'Location')

Try the link

Victor

Squirrel wrote:

Why do they care, the dealers make the plates to whatever county the customer chooses

Actually the county is determined by where the car is registered. For a person that is where they live, for a company it is where the registered office is. Hence most state vehicles are 'D', except Bord Gáis who are 'C'.

I would suggest state vehicles be 'É' (Éire) and taxis 'T' and hire cars maybe 'X'.

It struck that decentralisation has implications for registrations with department / agency vehicles now being register in the county where the department / agency headquarters are.

Guy:Incognito

Victor wrote:

I would suggest state vehicles be 'É' (Éire) and taxis 'T' and hire cars maybe 'X'.
.

Might be an issue with the fact that the vehicles get sold on and in the case of the taxis, a lot of them are not being bout new, so would have to be re-registered with th enew "t" taxi plate. If it was worklable I'd agree with it though. Be a good system to have.

Victor

I'm thinking of the "one careful driver" ad.s

DubTony

Victor wrote:

I would suggest state vehicles be 'É' (Éire) and taxis 'T' and hire cars maybe 'X'.

Great idea. This is already done in many other countries. In fact taxis in Australia are registered by the taxi licence number. e.g. T 1539.

Only thing with hire cars is that it shows the scumbags out there who the tourists are. Florida dropped this way of registering hire cars after a spate of attacks (and a couple of murders) a few years ago. But certainly not unworkable for state vehicles and taxis.

philologos

zapata wrote:

Seems logical and about time to me.
The annual 'D' registration has exceeded 100,000 for a number of years now.
Limerick has had 'LK' and 'L' for years.
and Tipperary has 'TN' and 'TS'.
:cool:

they all sound like **** names thts why im opposing it

Blaster99

Perhaps the smart thing is to get rid of the county moniker and the year and just use a short arbitrary sequence of letters and numbers. They're easier to remember, you avoid the GAA-influenced county affiliation, and cars will depreciate less because there's no reg year snobbery. But hey, that would probably mean that we don't need 50 car tax offices...

Besprechen

who devised the current ones anyway? why is it RN for Roscommon and not just R? SO for Sligo and not just S? OY for Offaly and not O? etc. Its not as if any other county shares the first characters for these AFAIK? And why isnt the number first as we read left to right and the numbers you'd glance in a hit and run are gonna be the ones on the left?
some common sense was needed in the first place.
Rant over.

Hotblack Desiato

eth0_ wrote:

eh....sorry to break it to you but County Down is in the U.K. :OP

Yes I'm aware of that :rolleyes: But the possibility of having to accommodate the 'six counties' at some future date was a criterion in the design of our present numbering system.

DubTony

Blaster99 wrote:

Perhaps the smart thing is to get rid of the county moniker and the year and just use a short arbitrary sequence of letters and numbers. They're easier to remember, you avoid the GAA-influenced county affiliation, and cars will depreciate less because there's no reg year snobbery. But hey, that would probably mean that we don't need 50 car tax offices...

isn't that how it used to be done?

Silvera

I'm not saying I agree or disagree with it ........... just passing on the info.

I live outside the pale, so makes no difference to me

Silvera

ninja900 wrote:

Yes I'm aware of that :rolleyes: But the possibility of having to accommodate the 'six counties' at some future date was a criterion in the design of our present numbering system.

Says who ?
Where did you read that ?

Seriously, I'm interested in knowing

ds20prefecture

Given that I drive a 72 DS 20, I'm all in favour of it

Bogger77

DubTony wrote:

isn't that how it used to be done?

I've only been around since '77, all car registrations on this island, inc Northern Ireland, have always been broken down by districts, down here it's been done by Motor Vehicle Tax office, up north, by borough. Wales and England have now followed our lead, by breaking registrations down by local area.

Why is Offaly OY, well it's quite simple take a car reg'd in Offaly, number 1008, if only O was the county code, reg : 0501008. So it'd look like it's got no letters at all. Other counties would complain. Take Sligo, well an S looks like a 5.

commited

Sounds like another waste of money

Ernie Ball

Bogger77 wrote:

Why is Offaly OY, well it's quite simple take a car reg'd in Offaly, number 1008, if only O was the county code, reg : 0501008. So it'd look like it's got no letters at all. Other counties would complain. Take Sligo, well an S looks like a 5.

Don't think that's really the explanation. According to the Wikipedia (for whatever that's worth), every administrative entity has a 2-letter code except for the heavily populated ones (Dublin, Limerick, Cork, Waterford and Galway) which have 1-letter codes. This is to leave room for 5- and 6-digit registration numbers to the right.

Paul (MN)

can I suggest that there is no explanation for it at all! perhaps there was no thought involved and each county just picked their letter by a deadline and the result is what we have now and there was no grey matter involved in the situation...