Metal gear solid 4

madrab

trailer here http://www.gamespot.com/ps3/adventure/metalgearsolid4/media.html

he he he

some nice work put in but no game footage

Kazaanova

I'm glad to see Hideo back, pretty nice the way they confirmed him back like that.

I'm hoping to see Raiden and Meryl back, I saw a picture somewhere, a drawing that had all the characters.

Kiith

thats without a doubt the best video i've seen so far.

classic

senordingdong

Is Hideo seriously back?

What did he have to say about coming back?

Vokes

Yeah, he's back for MGS4. Thought he had actually jumped ship myself, hmmm, guess not. Its just a video to say he's developing/directing it, no actual MGS4 footage.

Can't decide for myself if Kojima doing the next game is a good/bad thing. Snake Eater was so-so..

Kazaanova

The trailer explains that hes back. But hes only co-director though, as long as designer, producer etc.

That Sam Fisher thing was great.

Giblet

Good the way it said "New place to hide and seek" confirming the whole "no place to hide thing" was BS.

Kiith

alan smithee is the name that directors use, when they dont want people to know they directed it on his own (i think).

so that means he is back.


no, i was wrong, he's co directing it with Yutaka Negeshi

BloodBath

I'm hoping to see Raiden and Meryl back, I saw a picture somewhere, a drawing that had all the characters.

Ughhh you want to see those 2 goons back? Why oh why.

I thought Hideo had confirmed weeks ago that he would be directing the 4th installment.

That video is excellent, looks like they won't be using raiden. Thank god.

jonnybadd

Kiith wrote:

alan smithee is the name that directors use, when they dont want people to know they directed it on his own (i think).

Alan Smithee is actually a name Directors use when the studios force them to make cuts they dont want to make, and therefore the director doesn't want his name going on the finished movie, as its not so much his, as the movie studios.

MrPinK

Anyone have a non-streaming link that doesn't require me to sign up to some site?

Infini

LOL! I enjoyed that trailer.

Vokes

From ign.com: 60MB Quicktime

Crucifix

MrPinK wrote:

Anyone have a non-streaming link that doesn't require me to sign up to some site?

It's on IGN.com somewhere, just look through the e3 section.

I have to say, I don't want to see Meryl returning (

after MGS2 ignored her, I assumed she was dead

), and for Raiden maybe a small part.
The bit with Raiden winking was classic (he's so dreamy!).

Illuvatar

I want to know what enviroment you're in. Anyone know?

MrPinK

Crucifix wrote:

It's on IGN.com somewhere, just look through the e3 section.

Who also want me to sign up before they'll let me watch it

madrab

then just sign up, only takes a min and its free

Crucifix

MrPinK wrote:

Who also want me to sign up before they'll let me watch it

I definitely watched on IGN without signing up for anything.

MrPinK

Yeah, the low def version is actually freely available on IGN. It's only the high def one that you have to sign up for.

Peteee

Ehh Hideo Kojima back???

I wasnt aware he left, sure there were rumours that he wouldnt be involved as much in the 4th, but he wasnt 'away'? (That gamecube one dosent count)

Still its good stuff anyway, liked the video, cant wait to see a 'proper' one, can still remember vividly the MGS2!

Zapp Brannigan

that video was done using the MGS3 engine, so i wanna see the PS3 version of it.

Kazaanova

I cant imagine Snake looking better than he does in MGS3, I know he will of course. Can't wait.

BlitzKrieg

just curious how people feel about this:


Do you want anymore prequels after MGS4? I dont mean something like twin snakes but something like snake eater, filling in gaps of the past.



Personnally i would like to see a game done on Grey Fox. Sort of bridging the gap between snake and solid snake. I mentioned in the snake eater thread that solid snake compared to snake had a real defiant streak to him and i got thinking could this be because of Grey Fox? Grey Fox and sanke were meant to be like brothers with big boss over them, so i would like to see a grey fox game with maybe a younger solid snake on the codec and big boss giving out orders. Also it allows to develop more on the formation of fox hound (how people like Ocelot etc joined)

Crucifix

BlitzKrieg wrote:

Personnally i would like to see a game done on Grey Fox. Sort of bridging the gap between snake and solid snake. I mentioned in the snake eater thread that solid snake compared to snake had a real defiant streak to him and i got thinking could this be because of Grey Fox? Grey Fox and sanke were meant to be like brothers with big boss over them, so i would like to see a grey fox game with maybe a younger solid snake on the codec and big boss giving out orders. Also it allows to develop more on the formation of fox hound (how people like Ocelot etc joined)

I was thinking about that myself, maybe a Foxhound's first mission kind of thing. It could reveal a little more about the post-MGS3 Big Boss, aswell as building up Grey Fox's character.

Retr0gamer

BlitzKrieg wrote:

just curious how people feel about this:


Do you want anymore prequels after MGS4? I dont mean something like twin snakes but something like snake eater, filling in gaps of the past.



Personnally i would like to see a game done on Grey Fox. Sort of bridging the gap between snake and solid snake. I mentioned in the snake eater thread that solid snake compared to snake had a real defiant streak to him and i got thinking could this be because of Grey Fox? Grey Fox and sanke were meant to be like brothers with big boss over them, so i would like to see a grey fox game with maybe a younger solid snake on the codec and big boss giving out orders. Also it allows to develop more on the formation of fox hound (how people like Ocelot etc joined)

Those games are already available. Get yourself an msx emulator and the fan translated roms of metal gear and solid snake (don't touch the NES games). The Grey Fox story of MGS is a much more emotionally involving story after playing these two games. Saying that I'd love a modern remake of the first two games. The stories are as good as MGS only the gameplay would need refinement.

BlitzKrieg

i know the two MSX games fill in the death of Grey Fox, but as Crucifix put it, i'd like to see his first mission, how he got to be number one before solid snake and this will allow more exploration into Big boss and maybe even how Ocelot got into Foxhound (admit it you want to see a scene where he meets big boss and goes "JOHN!")

And the re-release of MGS3 will include the two msx versions of the metal gear 1 and 2 so i'll pick that up (plus a new camera system)


also

does anyone else feel combining the endings of both MGS2 and 3 = Big Boss could be the Patriots alone...in some roundabout way

Retr0gamer

BlitzKrieg wrote:

And the re-release of MGS3 will include the two msx versions of the metal gear 1 and 2 so i'll pick that up (plus a new camera system)

Not sure if it's getting a european release. I'll have to ask.

I wouldn't mind if they made a game where you played Grey Fox in his earlier missions or how he became aligned with Zanzibar Land and Big Boss between MG and SS.

senordingdong

Not too sure myself.

There was a huge lashback over the Radien incident, and not just because he was bent, but because he wasn't Snake.

Retr0gamer

But Grey Fox is a real hard ass and not a wingey little punk with a moany girlfriend annoying him every five seconds about their anniversary.

senordingdong

And like I said, the lash-back wasn't just becasue Raiden was a whiney shemale, but because he just plain wasn't Snake.

BlitzKrieg

But he's the NINJA!

there was backlash in the MGS special missions because you couldnt play as him as in depth as everyone wanted!

weemcd

id say fans would be much more accepting of grey fox than raiden tbh

Deadwing

I think its fair to say everyone f*cking hates raiden. Id love to see more on grey fox as he was one of the best characters in mgs1. But mgs4 is seriously gonna have to pull a rabbit out of a hat if im to buy it, after mgs3 being so weak.

bush

Deadwing wrote:

after mgs3 being so weak.

MGS3 rules

PullMyFinger!

Very strange promo!

Whats with the canned laughter?

BlitzKrieg

its not, this was live in e3...so thats people watching it on the screen...

PullMyFinger!

Ah ok. In that case - great promo

Mac daddy

Can' wait til the new ps comes out and msg4 quality

Anybody know when msg4 is planned yet - ?

senordingdong

The only real flaw I could find with Snake Eater, is the same flaw that has been in the others.

There is far, far too much waffle and pointless story. Wayyyy too much.

In my opinion, that's what they should be looking to extract from MGS4.

Metal Gear is supposed to be about the stealth, if you play it accordinly, and succeed, you will get an amazing buzz.
I just spent nearly two hours playing an amzing game of cat and mouse with 'The End'.
Best boss fight ever.

BlitzKrieg

i agree with the end being one of the best boss fights ever (personnal fave is when your moving the direction mic around and suddently you pick up heavry breathing behind you then game over)

But no i quite like the story elements of the mgs, its what makes them unique to the splinter cells and other stealth games. That MGS is more of an experiance and creative story then just a stealth game with added espionage plot.

senordingdong

Personally I'd prefer to be playing a great game with a great story, instead of occasionally taking part in what Hideo himself calls 'interactive movies'.

An 'in-joke' featured in Snaker Eater.

Otacon

One of the things that I didn't like about Splinter Cell was the story. It was so poorly developed, that I really didn't care what happened to Sam or any of the characters.

That's what makes the Metal Gear series so good. The story and characters are so well developed that you really care about what happens to them... Gray Fox in MG:SS and MGS, EE in MGS2 and The Boss in MGS3... those were some of the most saddening moments I've ever experienced in a video game.

I also understand that sometimes the story can overwhelm the action, but Hideo is getting the mix right, as he showed From MGS2 to MGS3.

MGS4 will rule...

senordingdong

Otacon wrote:

The story and characters are so well developed that you really care about what happens to them...

Over-developed is the word I'd use.

Otacon wrote:

I also understand that sometimes the story can overwhelm the action, but Hideo is getting the mix right, as he showed From MGS2 to MGS3.

If MGS2 MGS3 are something to go by, then it's obvious he isn't getting the mix right.

BlitzKrieg

but that comes down to opinion, alot of people play MGS for its storyline and original gameplay elements, and they felt MGS3 got the right balance.

like movies, books and music taste in games differ so it could be that MGS just doesnt appeal to you as much as it does to others (like me)

senordingdong

I think people were swayed on the balance issue because there was so much action in Snake Eater.
I agree there was way more tan in previous MGS.

But like I said, to turn on a a game, hoping to play a game, only to sit down for twenty minutes to listen to goboldy gook that could have been left out, without damaging the game is just plain irritating for me.

And then.....when you think you're finally free to play, you get a call on the radio....with more goboldy gook.

bush

Mgs3 did have the balance right in my opinion. I loved the game but the camera did my head. You couldnt see far enough so I ended up running, switching to fp view and then run on another bit and back to fp view. That kinda did my head in. It was ok in the othetr mgs games cos you had the radar

BlitzKrieg

senordingdong wrote:

But like I said, to turn on a a game, hoping to play a game, only to sit down for twenty minutes to listen to goboldy gook that could have been left out, without damaging the game is just plain irritating for me.

And then.....when you think you're finally free to play, you get a call on the radio....with more goboldy gook.

but like i said people like that, its engrossing. I know i did, i found the characters to be fascinating, some of that goboldy gook appealed to me, some made me laugh, some made me think.

yes its a game but its like those point and click adventures its a style of gaming where storyline and character are an important element.

If a point an click adventure game, like say Grim Fandango or Full throtltle started with a brief 30 second cut scene and then only told you what you needed to solve the puzzle, they would be quite boring and unentertaining. But its because the puzzle is brilliantly implemented into a involving (or funny) story.

MGS is the same, i mean compared to Splinter Cell, the sneaking of MGS requires you to go through one room sneaking areas one at a time until you reach a boss, without the engrossing storyline, this restrictive one room puzzles would get very dull. Hence while Splinter cell tries to reinvent and make fresh the whole process of sneaking, the MGS series takes a different approach and tries improving the engrossing storyline elements (including implementing it into gameplay elements)

senordingdong

I can understand where you're coming from but it annoyed me that I would spend a while all tense on the edge of my seat during the gameplay, then get stuck in twenty minutes of cut-scene/radio-chatter.....it really spoiled the mood.

On that note, I played through Snake Eater the first time on normal difficulty and paid attention to the story.
Second time around I chose hard mode and just skipped all the "un-cool" cut-scenes.
I had a much, much better time playing the second time around.

BlitzKrieg

its simply a matter of difference of taste...when a multiplayer MGS comes around we shall settle the matter in a sneaking war...

well played good sir!

Crass

Can't wait for this game. I rebought MGS1 a while back and played through all 3 playstation games, great series.

I've always been the type to hide rather than shoot enemies, but shooting was a real pain in MGS3, unless you used first person.

The first game is still the best (MGS that is, not Metal Gear although its technically the first game). 3 answered a lot of questions but left a lot open, hopefully we'll be able to control Snake himself a bit more in the 4th, didn't like Raiden too much when he got whiney, and hated his suit.

Who knows, maybe Snake has trained Otacon for a bit of action?

ExOffender

Crass wrote:

Who knows, maybe Snake has trained Otacon for a bit of action?

:eek:

Grey Fox is dull. Dull dull dull. I'd far rather have a playable Ocelot any day. It would be cool, say, to have targets appear when aiming at an enemy, targets on random pipes or whatever that when you hit them ricochet the bullet to hit the enemy. This would simulate Ocelot's shooting abilities.
Looks like Raiden is back for 4. I didn't particularly hate Raiden, as someone said earlier, the problem really was that he just wasn't Snake. Either Fortune or Meryl Silverburgh is back, too - you can't tell from the artwork which.

I really hope Subsistence gets a European release. Why would they do that, not release it here?