Ps3 and Xbox 360

TerrorFirmer

At the moment, its crystal clear to everyone without argument that the Xbox is far more powerful then the Ps2.

But as the current specs are now, which console is more powerful, the ps3 or the 360?

At a basic level.

Ciaran500

I don't think we really know. Other than the "1000 times faster than a normal PC" marketing bull we haven't heard what the cell is capable of.

Retr0gamer

Who cares, it's the games that are important.

Loobz

Retr0gamer wrote:

Who cares, it's the games that are important.

Agreed.

jesus_thats_gre

The PS3 is going to be more powerful if one is to believe the hype about the Cell. I personally think there will be little to seperate them considering they both are using next generation graphics cards from ATI or Nvidia..

KTRIC

Until it actually turns your room into the game like the Holodeck I'm not going to hold my breath.

Of course the next 6 months are going to be Sony and MS dissing each others box's. In the end everyone knows that it is the games that counts and nothing else.

BloodBath

And all the Nintendo fanboys will be saying the revolution is the best because it has the latest zelda, mario, mario kart, woooo.


BloodBath

Giblet

Wouldn't it be the best if you like those games though?

Ciaran500

BloodBath wrote:

And all the Nintendo fanboys will be saying the revolution is the best because it has the latest zelda, mario, mario kart, woooo.

Why do you always bring up the same stupid argument. :rolleyes:

Nintendo is not only Mario and Zelda games, and when they do make them they are normally pretty good games.

Winters

Wait another few weeks till after E3 and then decide when you have seen both the XBox360 and the PS3.

iregk

As I posted in another thread, everyone is going on about the preformance of the cell in comparrision to the xbox core. They are virtually the same thing people, the main difference being that sony are marketing everything around the cell and everyone is now in a frenzy about it!!!

Oh in case your questioning, i used to work in chip manufacturing for ibm, the company making both boxes cpu's and still know most guys that work there!!!

hal9000

another new console war = another 6 months of fanyboys flaming topics on boards....yay

madrab

all ill say is remember the hype over the "emotion" engine...

Winters

madrab wrote:

all ill say is remember the hype over the "emotion" engine...

That must make you feel so old at this stage.

16-bit tbh. That was the big one.

Retr0gamer

Screw polygons! Mode 7 forever!

Actually mode 7 still looks gorgeous in Snes and Sega Saturn games. Grandia, Axelay and Layer Section are nicer looking than any polygon based game

iregk

Excellent we have gone from the mind numbing head wrecking console fanboy war to a nostalgic retro thread. Love it.

Super Nintendo, 64,000 colours.... still remember the advert for that!!!

madrab

i still remember the episode of gamesmaster (dominic diamond and the guy from the sky at night) where they first showed a vid of the snes & super mario world i was godsmacked, partly because i wouldnt be able to play this on my nes

and even older than that, i remember watching gamewizard (whateve that nintendo "movie" was called) and seeing mario 3....wow! (i also wanted on of the game gloves that he used)

Gizzard

madrab wrote:

i still remember the episode of gamesmaster (dominic diamond and the guy from the sky at night) where they first showed a vid of the snes & super mario world i was godsmacked, partly because i wouldnt be able to play this on my nes

and even older than that, i remember watching gamewizard (whateve that nintendo "movie" was called) and seeing mario 3....wow! (i also wanted on of the game gloves that he used)

I always remember seeing and playing Doom on the PC for the first time, I had never seen anything like it, actually thats probably the highlight of my life, sad really!

madrab

i used to make up excuses to go over to my cousins house just so i could play doom

iregk

Games master remeber that!!! "and your the winner of our golden joystick"

The nintendo power glove, a mate of mine had one of those, he got it in the states and used to play some car game with it...

What was the show on sky 1 called where people used to play against games "gladiators"? ayone remember?

Also i still have on tape an episode of some game show that the name just escapes me where voilet berlin shows us the new PlayStation and its amazingly comfortable controler!!!

BlitzKrieg

What was the show on sky 1 called where people used to play against games "gladiators"?

Gamesworld...

BloodBath

Why do you always bring up the same stupid argument.

Nintendo is not only Mario and Zelda games, and when they do make them they are normally pretty good games.

I know calm the heads people. I was only joking. I do actually like Nintendo games.


BloodBath

stevenmu

iregk wrote:

As I posted in another thread, everyone is going on about the preformance of the cell in comparrision to the xbox core. They are virtually the same thing people, the main difference being that sony are marketing everything around the cell and everyone is now in a frenzy about it!!!

Oh in case your questioning, i used to work in chip manufacturing for ibm, the company making both boxes cpu's and still know most guys that work there!!!

There's a good write up of the cell architecture here detailing just how different it is from the Xbox360s powerpc based cores (altough it does include a powerpc like core aswell)

vibe666

i'll be a ps3 boy methinks. counting on my dedication to the ps and ps2 over the years to keep me interested.

not sure how i've resisted the temptation to put a deposit on a psp so far. my powers of self control are legendary. i knew those lessons in tantra would come in handy.

boy that ps3 is going to get it!

jesus_thats_gre

iregk wrote:

As I posted in another thread, everyone is going on about the preformance of the cell in comparrision to the xbox core. They are virtually the same thing people, the main difference being that sony are marketing everything around the cell and everyone is now in a frenzy about it!!!

Oh in case your questioning, i used to work in chip manufacturing for ibm, the company making both boxes cpu's and still know most guys that work there!!!

They are not virtually the same thing. Granted, the Cell will likely have a G5 GPU but it will not function like a traditional CPU most of the time. It will have more of a management role over the other components such as the APU's..

The Xbox will have 3 dual core G5s functioning together as out and out CPUs.

Both architectures, while both are multi-threaded, are very different. The Cell is quite a move away from the norm for mass market processors. They are touting this thing as being a monster and some even speculate it could even bring down Intel.

I personally think the speculation about its abilites are grossy exadurated but you never know...

I personally think the fact the one is using the next generation ATI GPU and the other is using Nvidia's next gen GPU means there will be little difference in performance between the 2. That is unless one manufacturer comes out with something totally radical and this is unlikely as they are both adhering to various roadmaps for APIs such as Direct X. Both pretty much know what the others is capable off.

Retr0gamer

I thought my Ps1 would have visuals surpassing the special effects in Terminator 2 and that the emotion engine in my PS2 would give the characters in game real emotions.

Lesson: Sony are the most successful bull****ters in the world.

Spacedog

Retr0gamer wrote:

...the emotion engine in my PS2 would give the characters in game real emotions.

That'll hurt your PS2's feelings

Gilgamesh

iregk wrote:

Oh in case your questioning, i used to work in chip manufacturing for ibm, the company making both boxes cpu's and still know most guys that work there!!!

Hmmm... used to work there eh?
were you sacked for breaching the Non disclosure agreement? maybe that is why you are so bitter now.

Anyway, who cares, let the guys fight about what is better, don't like it don't read it.

But back to topic.

Does anybody still remember the info Sony was putting out about the PS2 as it was in about the same stage the PS3 is now.

'The emotion engine(think that was the name) is soooooo powerful, that it will be able to render Toy Story in real time.
yeah right.

agree with Retro, it will be the games that will decide the battle not the specs.

madrab

Spacedog wrote:

That'll hurt your PS2's feelings

and make baby jesus cry!

iregk

Gilgamesh wrote:

Hmmm... used to work there eh?
were you sacked for breaching the Non disclosure agreement? maybe that is why you are so bitter now.

Haha no i wasn't sacked. Just got tired of working for the 3rd Reich and saw the light!!!!

Have to agree with retro though, sony are the most sucessful bull****ers ever...

stevenmu

I certainly wouldn't disagree with the "efficiency" of Sonys marketing people, I'm pretty sure though that much of the actual detail available about the cell processor is from patent filings, which have to be reasonably accurate.

Gilgamesh

can just say that the marketing guys at sony sure are worth their money

smokingman

Gilgamesh wrote:

can just say that the marketing guys at sony sure are worth their money

Just wish Nintendo poached some of them....or got any marketing people really for that matter....

petes

Games, games thats what it will come down to. Btw Revolution will kick all arses.*gets coat*.

Gilgamesh

petes wrote:

Games, games thats what it will come down to. Btw Revolution will kick all arses.*gets coat*.

/me chases petes down the street waving big stick.

pat kenny

Tekken 6
Gran Turismo 5
Metal Gear solid 4
Resident evil 100000
Splinter Cell 4
Silent Hill 5
Fifa 2007,2008,2009,2010
Need for speed underground 3 or is it 4
Final Fantasy 12 ( I'm not complaining hugly about this one )
Grand Theft auto 6
Tomb Raider 9: the legend of the nude cheat

I cant think of any more games but I asume we'll see all these except maybe under different names.
Its a bit depressing really.

Ri_Nollaig

does anyone know if they will be backwards compatibile? but the main thing i hate about console is the price of the games! 60euro for a new release and they never seem to go down in price

Ciaran500

There only €40-€45 if you shop online.

dearg_doom

Retr0gamer wrote:

I thought my Ps1 would have visuals surpassing the special effects in Terminator 2 and that the emotion engine in my PS2 would give the characters in game real emotions.

Lesson: Sony are the most successful bull****ters in the world.

lol, not only that, but the EmotionEngine was going to react to your emotion and change the gameplay accordingly:rolleyes:

in fairness I'm taking a lot of these rumors with a healthy pinch of salt until I actually have the things under my telly, no games system has ever lived up to it's hype before it's release. But we still love them...

BloodBath

in fairness I'm taking a lot of these rumors with a healthy pinch of salt until I actually have the things under my telly, no games system has ever lived up to it's hype before it's release. But we still love them...

I disagree. Going from a megadrive or snes to a playstation or n64 was a huge leap at the time. I remember getting my ps1 the day before it's release because I kept wrecking the guys head in the shop and he agreed to give it to me. Got myself wipeout, toshinden and ridge racer and nearly wet myself when I went home and turned it on.


BloodBath

Retr0gamer

They were huge leaps but they didn't live up to the hype he marketing monkeys were brewing up.

jesus_thats_gre

The games are what should be the determing factor in how well a console does.. Sadly this is not the case anymore..

BloodBath

How so Jesus? The ps1 and 2 were the biggest sellers out of the last 2 gens of consoles. Both had the widest selecetion of games attracting a broader market. Games are still the determing factor.


BloodBath

madrab

BloodBath wrote:

I disagree. Going from a megadrive or snes to a playstation or n64 was a huge leap at the time. I remember getting my ps1 the day before it's release because I kept wrecking the guys head in the shop and he agreed to give it to me. Got myself wipeout, toshinden and ridge racer and nearly wet myself when I went home and turned it on.


BloodBath

i went from a nes and a c64 to a playstation now theres a jump :-)

*apologises for once again turning this into a retro discussion*

hal9000

more like a wider selection of mediocrity!

Retr0gamer

hal9000 wrote:

more like a wider selection of mediocrity!

True there was far more mediocre titles on the playstations. However the PS1 an awful lot of fantastic games and in my opinion is only beaten on the amount of quality titles by the Snes and matched by the Sega Saturn (if you live in japan and speak japanese :rolleyes: ). In the current generation The Gc in my opinion has the most quality but the PS2 really isn't far behind. It's the success of the xbox that has me scratching my head. Nothing but Halo for a year and a half and after that Panzer Dragoon Orta, Ninja Gaiden and a few uninteresting racing games (for me anyway). There are plenty more now but it really was a long drougth of quality.

hal9000

yah got the xbox a few weeks after it launched and after halo & DOA3 there wasnt much and i was worried that it was going to tank, but after the crap that was the first gen of games, it got much better! cant say ive been dissapointed but its all down to personal taste and good developers

TerrorFirmer

It's the success of the xbox that has me scratching my head. Nothing but Halo for a year and a half and after that Panzer Dragoon Orta, Ninja Gaiden and a few uninteresting racing games

True, but for action junkies like me, we were happy to hammer away on multi format affairs that were the same as their Ps2 counterparts, with added visual sheen.

A large portion of the market, like myself, isn't greatly interested in shining pinacles of originality or the particular sort of games that warrant the purchase of another console (RPGs, Racing Sims, etc), although I do aknowledge their greatness occassionally.

jesus_thats_gre

BloodBath wrote:

How so Jesus? The ps1 and 2 were the biggest sellers out of the last 2 gens of consoles. Both had the widest selecetion of games attracting a broader market. Games are still the determing factor.


BloodBath

That was certainly true in the case of the PS1.. However, the PS2 did not succeed on the back of its games catalogue.. The PS2's success can be attributed to marketing and one of the best brand names in the world.

When you have celebrities pointing at an Xbox and calling it a Playstation, what hope do you have? How many relations has bought Jimmy a Playstation because they recognise the brand name of both Sony and Playstation.

The Dreamcast and the N64/GC all had more impressive game catalogues at launch than the PS2 yet the PS2 still bet them in sales..

The PS2 now has a massive catalogue of crap games and sequels with very little originality.

Don't fool yourself Bloodbath. I have also seen some of your arguments with regards to Nintendo on another thread and can genuinely say you are flogging a dead donkey with that argument. I tend to agree with you on most things, but not this one.

monument

jesus_thats_gre wrote:

The games are what should be the determing factor in how well a console does.. Sadly this is not the case anymore..

Quite simply the games are.

The way you’re talking it sounds as if SCE sells a home computer, they don’t they sell a games console and the market it by marketing the games.

One or two good games and then practical nothing at all just won’t cut it. I’d be a lot happier playing 100s of good games, then a few amazing games.

hal9000 wrote:

more like a wider selection of mediocrity!

Distinct from the Xbox's lesser selection of mediocrity?

The Xbox is just like the PlayStation, both have ‘exclusives’ or ‘delays’ (the PS2 seams to have more of the important ones), both have the multi-format game, both play DVDs etc... Multiplayer is an attraction for the Xbox, and a wider selection (and sometimes just that one ‘great’ game of narrow appeal) is an attraction for the PS2.

If anyone wants to argue along the lines of ‘the bunch of games I love are what should be the determining factor’, that’s fine. But that does not mean games are not the determining factor. The GTA fanatic, driving sim fanatic, stealth game fanatic etc might just not want what’s on offer on the Xbox, or Gamecube.

Of course marketing, or simply put ‘telling people about your game’, is going to be a determining factor in what games people want. Your marketing is going to fail if you put everything into your AAA titles and what amounts to nothing into your smaller ones.

BloodBath

That was certainly true in the case of the PS1.. However, the PS2 did not succeed on the back of its games catalogue.. The PS2's success can be attributed to marketing and one of the best brand names in the world.

When you have celebrities pointing at an Xbox and calling it a Playstation, what hope do you have? How many relations has bought Jimmy a Playstation because they recognise the brand name of both Sony and Playstation.

The Dreamcast and the N64/GC all had more impressive game catalogues at launch than the PS2 yet the PS2 still bet them in sales..

The PS2 now has a massive catalogue of crap games and sequels with very little originality.

Don't fool yourself Bloodbath. I have also seen some of your arguments with regards to Nintendo on another thread and can genuinely say you are flogging a dead donkey with that argument. I tend to agree with you on most things, but not this one.

The fact of the matter is, it has the largest catalougue of games, whether you consider it to be crap or not. Fans of a certain genre of game might love a game that only got an average rating from mags, sites, ect. I'm talking about the overall market. Nintendo captures smaller areas of the market compared to sony. It's not all about the name. Jesus Nintendos name is huge but it hasn't stopped relatively poor sales in europe and the US. I think most kids are clued up enough these days to tell there parents what they want. They don't just get a random console as a surprise. I'm not fooling myself or anyone else. This is how it is. It's all about a target market and third party backing. Sony captures a wider area of the market than Nintendo. Not to mention other factors that would influence people especially younger teens, kids. I'm talking about the dvd and backwards compatability capabilitys of the ps2. Despite any arguements against it this was a major factor that helped sales. Nintendo didn't learn from their n64 mistake. Microsoft took too long getting off the ground and the early selection of games was pretty slim. You see the average joe doesn't always want quality. They want quantity so they have the choice of what they play. Sony has captured some great exclusive rights. GTA, MGS, GT, FF to name just four. Two of which used to be exclusive Nintendo titles. They lost both MGS and FF because of the N64 as far as I remember. FF7 originally started production on the N64 but was moved to the playstation as they realised they were going to limit themselves completely by trying to fit the game on a cartridge. Now i'm not saying that the PS1 or 2 were better consoles, although I do think the PS1 was but from a business point of view they both successfully captured the majority market and this was because of the huge selection of games. I'm not asking you to agree with me but what i'm saying is a lot closer to the truth than your delusions that the fact sony was written on it and how it was marketed is the reason why it sold although it did help.


BloodBath