Superstitous - help!!!

judi

hi
to say the least im quite superstitous!! all that stuff wiv magpies, doors, laders, etc...im always very aware of dem. so my problem is i suposed to be moving house on Friday 13th :eek: and dont think theres any way around changing the date, not to mention it's also bad luck to move on Saturdays so please giv ur views, would help either way to know what to expect ie. good/bad luck or if u just think tis a load of...... might just ease my mind a little, thanx

magpie

it's also bad luck to move on Saturdays

Why's that then?

judi

magpie wrote:

Why's that then?

"Saturday's fliting short sitting" sumting like dat!! neway tis the Friday im more worried about?? Saturday's definitly out:)

magpie

You also have a fear of magpies?

Oryx

It would be all very well for me to say to you theres nothing in these superstitions, but the problem is the fear is deeply ingrained in your mind, and thats what you need to overcome. These things in themselves cannot hurt you anymore than a spider in the bath can (tho I go hysterical when theres a spider in the bath )
Its your belief in them that will make you see a link with the superstition when/if something bad happens. Same as if I get up this morning and tell myself today will be lousy, chances are it will be.

Move on fri the 13th. I guarantee you that date will not cause anything bad to happen. Just bear in mind moving never goes smoothly anyway. Enjoy your new place when you get there!

judi

magpie wrote:

You also have a fear of magpies?

ya!!! 1 for sorrow, 2 for joy, etc. mayb katiek is right tho, i do take it to the extremes everytime i see one magpie i av to salute it and even then the poor magpie gets d blame for everything that goes wrong that day!!!! don't u know nething about superstition "Magpie"??

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dahamsta

I reckon you should move on Friday the 13th. If everything goes according to plan you'll be hit by a bus that evening and the world will be better for it. No offense like.

adam

judi

dahamsta wrote:

I reckon you should move on Friday the 13th. If everything goes according to plan you'll be hit by a bus that evening and the world will be better for it. No offense like.

adam

oh boy!!! hasnt anyone told u if u dont have anything good to say then dont say anything at all!! u should of stopped after ur opinion on my moving thats all i asked for! u can say "no offense like" to ur 2nd sentence but still i think ur kinda rude :eek:

solas

did you know that in China friday the 13th is a lucky day?
People try to grab that dte for their wedding. (will try to locate links later)
13 is considered lucky by some because it signifies the start of a new cycle.
If you think of life as a circle that continually repeats itself, 12 - 1 signifies the beginning of the cycle all over again, but if you consider a helix, 13 is the number which changes the tracks and moves you onto the next phase of climbing upwards.
Many covens prefer to operate with 13 members (dunno why)
..and last but not least, my father was born friday the 13th and he was a lucky fella. (very succesful and accomplished)

judi

dahamsta wrote:

Ill stp bing rewd wen u lrn ow 2 us a kebored, u dum fuk.

oohh....chip on the old shoulder!! what is your problem??? so im using txt "Sorry" it's just a habbit not a crime!!! ps. nobody wants to see your rude posts, GO AWAY

solas

pay no attention to the trolls.
Dahamsta, abusive posts will result in a ban, read the charter.

judi

solas wrote:

did you know that in China friday the 13th is a lucky day?

that's quite interesting!!! must look into that
thanx Solas

stevenmu

A lot of our modern superstitions come from attempts by the catholic church to demonise pagan beliefs that would have been popular prior to its arrival. It's kind of funny because they've gone on to become something that goes against the core teachings of the church

ISAW

stevenmu wrote:

A lot of our modern superstitions come from attempts by the catholic church to demonise pagan beliefs that would have been popular prior to its arrival. It's kind of funny because they've gone on to become something that goes against the core teachings of the church

And your evidence for this statement is?

Surely the early celtic christian church in Ireland did more in the way of absorbing customs superstitions and beliefs. Indeed one can argue that the existence of many such reference in the Irish language attests to this.

How for example is salt over your shoulder related to the church? It isnt! or horseshoes? They arent!

Hmmmm"Find a penny pick it up...." how does that end?

Is it "... the church says you are a devil worshipper!"
Nope

When you use the word "demonising" there is no doubt it will sometimes be correct but I suggest not as often as you seem to suggest.

Worshipping demons for example is frowned upon by Jews Christians Muslims and others. If devil worship is "demonising" the worship of demons then you are not really making such a major statement with the word "demonising" are you?

As regards superstitions, one can test how many people moved on a Friday for example and whether that collerates with a subsequent longer stays in hospital, lesser incomes, illness etc. I suggest that there is NO SUCH CORRRELATION. superstitions are mostly harmless but dont let them rule your life. Try studying something that actually DOES work.

stevenmu

ISAW wrote:

Hmmmm"Find a penny pick it up...." how does that end?

Is it "... the church says you are a devil worshipper!"

That's a bit drastic but in a way yes, I'm pretty sure belief in luck is against the churchs teachings, in a way it's seen as a magical force.

ISAW wrote:

And your evidence for this statement is?

I can't remember where I came across the idea first but I've seen it a few times and it makes obvious sense to me anyway, altough it is a bit of a sweeping generalisation and I'm sure there's plenty of exceptions. A quick google turned up this book (pdf, html version here ).

Take the advent of Christianity
with its point of view diametrically opposed to the religions of the period. What was the effect
on paganism? It was seen in the Christianising of many of the old superstitions and customs,
and in the creation of a group of new ones. To the student of origins there is no fact more sig-
nificant than this, and none to which he can look forward more hopefully for intelligent expla-
nations of prevalent beliefs and practices. He is on historic ground, and whereas is most of
those who have endeavoured to account for the various superstitions of savage races have
done so by crediting them with a much more elaborate system of ideas than they in reality
possess,” he can give chapter and verse for the modifications and developments in the first
century of the Christian era. Sir Isaac Newton was not a historian, but he was right when he
said (in his book on Prophesies) that “the Heathens were delighted with the Festivals of their
Gods, and unwilling to part with those ceremonies; therefore Gregory, Bishop of Neo-
Caesarea in Pontus, to facilitate their conversion, instituted annual Festivals to the Saints and
Martyrs; hence the keeping of Christmas with ivy, feasting, plays, and sports, came in the
room of Bacchanalia and Saturnalia; the celebrating May Day with flowers, in the room of the
Floralia; and the Festivals to the Virgin Mary, John the Baptist, and divers of the Apostles, in
the room of the solemnities at the entrance of the Sun into the Signs of the Zodiac in the old
Julian Calendar.”
But the events of Christianity, the birth, life, and death of Christ, were themselves the basis of
new superstitions. For example, the notion that to sit down at a table of a Christian is unlucky,
can have no other origin than that of the Last Supper, and all Good Friday superstitions are of
course Christian, that is, although discountenanced by the Church they are based upon
Christian history

With the Reformation came a radical force that tended to push all the old superstitions and
customs into oblivion. The analogy between the pagan and Christian forms was detected and
enlarged upon with the utmost severity of condemnation. Randolph’s Poems (1646) tells us
something of the spirit of these Puritan criticisms:—
“These teach that dancing is a Jezabel,
And Barley-Break the ready way to Hell;
The Morice Idols, Whitsun Ales can be
But profane reliques of a Jubilee:
There is a zeal t’expresse how much they do
The Organs hate, have silenc’d Bagpipes too;
And harmless May-Poles all are rail’d upon,
As if they were the Tow’rs of Babylon.”

landser

I don't think your superstitious; i do think you have a psychological problem akin to obesessive compulsive disorder and you need help.

the tooth fairies in here will only encourage your problems, not help. i think you need to see someone

solas

are you a doctor landser?
If not read the charter, and provide us with some fact based links to support your reasoning.
Thanks

landser

solas wrote:

are you a doctor landser?
If not read the charter, and provide us with some fact based links to support your reasoning.
Thanks

I am not a doctor, but I don't believe that one has to be in this instance. i'm not diagnosing cancer here, but i genuinely believe that the OP should seek help, as these beliefs are having an deleterious effect on her. the OP is so superstitious that she believes every bit of mumbo jumbo that is thrown at her. this is clearly effecting her life and her enjoyment of it.

Google superstitions and OCD and you will see the link between the two. superstitious people are not OCD afflicted but some may be, and the OP sounds to me like she may have a problem, due to the adverse effect that these beliefs and the rituals surrounding them are having on her. if she had posted this thread in Personal Issues, where it should be, then my advice would be sound.

judi

landser wrote:

I don't think your superstitious; i do think you have a psychological problem akin to obesessive compulsive disorder and you need help.

the tooth fairies in here will only encourage your problems, not help. i think you need to see someone

& i think that yourself and Dahamsta would make a lovely couple!!!!!

dalk

Ahh, a touch of the old paraskevidekatriaphobia.

My brother was born on Friday the 13th and nothing out of the ordinary has happened to him (yet)...

I always look at it like this: its unlucky for some... (ie not me)

good article here

solas

your not in PI landser, your in paranormal. read the charter.

landser

solas wrote:

your not in PI landser, your in paranormal. read the charter.

i know, read my post

solas

landser wrote:

I don't think your superstitious; i do think you have a psychological problem akin to obesessive compulsive disorder and you need help.

the tooth fairies in here will only encourage your problems, not help. i think you need to see someone

I'll just post the charter here to make it more visible for you.

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which "fairies in here" are you referring to?

Oryx

jeez, judi, glad you have a sense of humour. Bet the tooth fairies are hopping mad at being compared to some of us.... Guys, if you dont like what we discuss here, please take your attitude off to the thunderdome or somewhere!!

Thanx 4 The Fish

Dahamsta banned from this forum for abuse. There is no term set on this ban yet, solas and I will review later.

M

nesf

landser wrote:

I am not a doctor, but I don't believe that one has to be in this instance. i'm not diagnosing cancer here, but i genuinely believe that the OP should seek help, as these beliefs are having an deleterious effect on her. the OP is so superstitious that she believes every bit of mumbo jumbo that is thrown at her. this is clearly effecting her life and her enjoyment of it.

Google superstitions and OCD and you will see the link between the two. superstitious people are not OCD afflicted but some may be, and the OP sounds to me like she may have a problem, due to the adverse effect that these beliefs and the rituals surrounding them are having on her. if she had posted this thread in Personal Issues, where it should be, then my advice would be sound.

Landser, diagnosing OCD is no different to diagnosing cancer you (insert multiple expletives here) muppet.

Idiots like you who going around telling people they have mental health problems because of some belief that they hold that does not agree with yours make me ****ing sick. It's like watching someone telling a guy that because he is gay that he obviously has a mental health problem. Google gay and mental health issue and you will find plenty of sites telling you that gayness is a symptom of severe mental illness and is not a natural state for a human.

People like you are worst than scum. You sit behind a keyboard somewhere talking ****, telling preying on people who are insecure or impressionable and tell them they have mental health issues.

Whats worse you think it's ****ing fine because it's obvious to you who has no medical training or who shows absolutely no knowledge of the subject in question. You are throwing around terms like OCD as if you have a perfect understanding of what they mean and know personally what it is like to go through having it.

You are talking ****, and worse than that you are trying to diagnose people with medical conditions without knowing the slightest thing about them. Mental Health problems take months if not years to diagnose and treat. Yes from one post online you can tell if a person has OCD as if you could even begin to understand what that means.

As for people who believe whatever mumbo jumbo is thrown at them...

superstitious people are not OCD afflicted but some may be, and the OP sounds to me like she may have a problem, due to the adverse effect that these beliefs and the rituals surrounding them are having on her. if she had posted this thread in Personal Issues, where it should be, then my advice would be sound.

That strikes me as the delusional belief of a person who believes every website that they read. My God man, have you no idea what you are doing by telling people that they have mental health issues?? IT ISN'T THAT ****ING SIMPLE YOU ****ING GOB****E!

If you posted what you posted here on PI they would delete your posts because you are trying to diagnose somebody with a medical disorder, when it is impossible for you to do so. The fact that you are not in any way familiar with mental illness (judging from your posts) is not important. Anybody who is trained could tell you that you cannot diagnose a mental condition from a single post on a BB, unless that BB included a clear list of symptoms and family history, medical history etc. And even then, without being interviewed by a psychiatrist, no proper diagnosis could be done and no conclusions could be reached with regard to the poster.

People like you who go around telling people that they have mental health problems when you have neither any proof nor any medical training are ****ing scum. Dangerous scum whose actions have resulted in many many problems. Do you realise what the danger of doing what you just did is? IT DOES NOT MATTER IF THE POSTER HAS OCD OR NOT! What matters is that your uneducated, unfounded and illogical assumptions on the matter could in the case of a highly impressionable and gulliable person result in serious psychological trauma! There are well documented cases of people causing themselves harm after some idiot online told them they had (insert whatever mental disorder is in the limelight here).

Not only should you be banned from this board, you should be forcefully re-educated on these matters. If you said this in front of me in real life you would be waking up tomorrow in a very battered and bruised condition. I am not a violent person but people who do the **** like you just did deserve to be beat within an inch of their life, and then denied the right to communicate with others for a few years until they learn how to act civily and not endanger others with their inane quasi-scientific psychobabble. You're attitude of "Well I've read some stuff online about OCD so therefore I can make diagnosises online to complete strangers while hiding behind the apparent anonymity of a board avatar" makes me sick.

Go find beat yourself over the head with a brick and do yourself a favour. Major brain trauma may be benificial in your case.


With regards to the OP. Sorry for ranting hun, just re-educating a muppet, I hope you understand.

Superstition can be a very hard thing within your life. Personally I don't believe in any of them but I've seen a lot of people that do. The only power that they have over you is the power you give them by believing in them. If you stop thinking about them and worrying about them, then you will be able to live your life without being a slave to superstition.

If you can't do this, well, I can think of worse ways to live one's life than through believing in superstition. Believing that you have a right or ability to diagnose mental illness on internet bulletin boards would be a far worse alternative, if I had to pick one of the top of my head .

Trojan

Wow.

nesf

Trojan wrote:

Wow.

To be honest, I'd ban myself for the above. It's all true and fact, but I was just a tad abusive in the delivery. Really need to learn to not rant automatically when people do the above.

Last time was in a pub, where some idiot was telling a good friend of mine that she had OCD and depression because he professed that only people who have OCD or depression would be dedicated goths in their mid 20's.

I regret what I did to him. Wasn't barred from the pub suprisingly.

Kernel

Wow II.

solas

To be honest, I'd ban myself for the above

well I'm not going to ban you, I could have banned landser for his outrageous contribution but he got a warning, I know you are already aware of how this works.
Conisder this is my "wagging finger" post, anymore abusive posts in this thread will be deleted and posters banned.

other than that I have the urge to stand up and say objection sustained.