Catholic church bashing

mrhankey88

You liberals on here make me sick. The good thing though is you lot are a small minority of 'people'. Most likely you hate the catholic church because it represents everything 'old ireland' and you want that destroyed. And people who want that are the enemy of this country and should be exhiled or shot.

Zillah

Wow.

Just wow. No questions, no seeking of opinions, no proposals of change, just a big old slab of moronic vague hate.


Exiled or shot? For being liberal or hating the Catholic church? Or hating old ireland?


You know what...?

I'm a liberal.
I hate old Ireland.
I despise the Catholic Church.
You sir cannot shoot me, exile me, or shut me up.

Damn that feels good.

Go democracy! Down with authoritarian control! Viva la revolution!

mrhankey88

You know what...?

I'm a liberal.
I hate old Ireland.
I despise the Catholic Church.
You sir cannot shoot me, exile me, or shut me up.

Damn that feels good.

Go democracy! Down with authoritarian control! Viva la revolution!

Not really, were going through a liberal phase in this counrty and when this counrty comes back to its senses and realises that the liberals are infact traitors then will you be shut up and repressed as the maggots you are.

aidan_walsh

You don't like people bashing the Catholic Church? Oh, you mean like the way you like to bash the Jews? Is that fun because you aren't one? Hyprocite.

KdjaCL

mrhankey88 wrote:

Not really, were going through a liberal phase in this counrty and when this counrty comes back to its senses and realises that the liberals are infact traitors then will you be shut up and repressed as the maggots you are.

Traitors to what exactly?

Church should have no influence on any goverment or society, why should it?
Why should society be dictated by a corrupt organisation (that isnt SF or FF)

Would point out more but im sure you be banned before you read them.


kdjac

Zillah

You sound, how shall I put this, "not young". My generation will be running the country pretty soon, and I assure you, we'll not be heading back towards our roots. We'll be leaving repressed, close minded, authoritarian catholic views far far behind. Of all my friends my own age, perhaps 100 spread across my area my old school and my current college, I know two practising Catholics.

We've won, give up, you're antiquainted belief system has no power here.

Moriarty

It must be so annoying to know you're on the losing side of the culture wars.


Feel the anger.

mrhankey88

You sound, how shall I put this, "not young". My generation will be running the country pretty soon, and I assure you, we'll not be heading back towards our roots. We'll be leaving repressed, close minded, authoritarian catholic views far far behind. Of all my friends my own age, perhaps 100 spread across my area my old school and my current college, I know two practising Catholics.

Question: are you Irish? Are your parents Irish? Are you catholic?

Zillah

I am Irish, passport and all, born in Dublin.
My parents are both Irish, passport and all, born in Dublin and Tipperary.
I was born a Catholic.



Nowadays I call myself a militant Agnostic.

...I don't know and neither do you.

solas

feel like I've been taken by aliens and placed in another country which resembles America very much.
*looks around*

mrhankey88

It must be so annoying to know you're on the losing side of the culture wars.

Losing side? not really mate.. this counrty knows whats going on, and it will never allow liberals to destroy it. you can spout you anti-irish hate all you want but it makes no difference, you and your fellow traitors are a small minority

mrhankey88

mrhankey88 wrote:

You liberals on here make me sick. The good thing though is you lot are a small minority of 'people'. Most likely you hate the catholic church because it represents everything 'old ireland' and you want that destroyed. And people who want that are the enemy of this country and should be exhiled or shot.

from someone who just posted an anti-jewish joke you have no right to be talking in any tone about supporting religions. you are a racist pig, simple as that.

Zillah

you and your fellow traitors are a small minority

I find it delicious that you feel the need to keep repeating this. It's almost like you're trying to convince someone...hmm, but who?

Moriarty

Delusion is still delusion no matter how many times you repeat it, you know

arbeitsscheuer

Moriarty wrote:

It must be so annoying to know you're on the losing side of the culture wars.

Brilliant
You tell 'im, Moriarty...

You're a spiteful f**ker, aren't you mrhankey88? I know I'll probably get banned for sayin that but #1 It's true and #2 It's worth being banned for.

We aren't the traitors. YOU ARE.

Moriarty

For those that don't know about mrhankey88s past, he's a stand-up member of stormfront. The 88 in his nick refers to HH (H being the 8th letter in the alphabet..), which stands for Heil Hitler.

Just so you all know where he's coming from

Zillah

I think its ironic that with this sort of hateful bullsh*t he's heading straight for a ban himself.

...soon he and his views will be repressed...


Hee hee, I take...guilty glee in that.

BuffyBot

FEED TROLL DON'T THE

Re-arrange the above letters to make sentence..

Zillah

BuffyBot wrote:

FEED TROLL DON'T THE

Re-arrange the above letters to make sentence..

Technically you need to re-arrange the already cohesive words

Sorry, couldn't resist.

Must run...

tinkerbell

Zillah wrote:

You know what...?

I'm a liberal.
I hate old Ireland.
I despise the Catholic Church.
You sir cannot shoot me, exile me, or shut me up.

Yup, I hate the views of old Ireland as well. As for the Catholic Church? Don't get me started. All this organised religion rubbish annoys me so much. The church is full of so many flaws. I don't want to be a part of a backward organisation that tries to force their ugly views on everyone:

Some examples from the sermons of a priest in my parish:
The use of contraception is evil
Single mothers are evil
Young people are evil
Homosexuals are evil
People leaving mass early are evil
People coming into mass late are evil
People not coming to mass are evil

Same priest is the stupidest, most idiotic moron I have ever come across. He never stops giving out about everything and anything. And he wonders why people don't want to come to mass?

Why do you need to waste 45 minutes standing in a church when you have no interest in what that priest has to say? To me, it's just a waste of my time, when I could be doing something better. Why? Because I don't pay attention to his stupid sermons on how young people are evil, etc.

I'm a good person, I don't have to go to mass to be a good person. Does going to mass make you a good person? NO it does not! For example: a murderer goes to mass. Does that make him a good person? Ah ... no.

And isn't it somewhere that says "the kingdom of god is all around you" - there is no mention of having to go into some building to show your faith.

And as someone else said - it is our generation who will be moving this country forward. All the backward views will die out, people are not gonna move backward.

One more thing - I have a very wide circle of friends. And only two of them are people that go to mass. So go figure - the minority is those who go to mass, not those who don't go.

So to the original poster - get a life you twat, and stop spamming the place with your racist views, and calling us all traitors. It's people like you that make the catholic church so god damn unappealing.

Zombrex

mrhankey88 wrote:

You liberals on here make me sick. The good thing though is you lot are a small minority of 'people'. Most likely you hate the catholic church because it represents everything 'old ireland' and you want that destroyed. And people who want that are the enemy of this country and should be exhiled or shot.

lib·er·al (lbr-l, lbrl)
adj.

1. Not limited to or by established, traditional, orthodox, or authoritarian attitudes, views, or dogmas; free from bigotry.

2. Favoring proposals for reform, open to new ideas for progress, and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; broad-minded.

LOL ... yeah I can see why you would hate liberals and personal freedom, and wish for a return to authoritarian rule where no one was free and the vast majority of people in this country lead hard, down troden lives of desperation and oppression

either a troll, or stupiest post of the year ... either way ... :rolleyes:

Zillah

Interesting points. Mass originally was supposed to be a celebration. Jesus said "Do this in memory of me". To be fair though, Catholicism isn't too big on the HELL idea. The fire and brimestone crap they churn out is mild and infrequent compared to most American sects.

solas

The use of contraception is evil
Single mothers are evil
Young people are evil
Homosexuals are evil
People leaving mass early are evil
People coming into mass late are evil
People not coming to mass are evil

did you hear that bryan mcfadden song, "Second single "'Irish Son" opens the album with Brian pouring out his heart about his difficult Catholic upbringing."
And it all turned out to be a load of BS?
He mentioned the name of some school where he claimed he has such a "difficult catholic upbringing" but in reality the school had never heard of him and bryan had to come clean and said he made it all up.
Tinkerbell, I doubt that your of any age where you are being forced to go to church and if you are I suggest you contact childline and have your parents reprimanded.
Other than that I don't believe for a minute that you have ever heard any priest say such things..and If you did well, I'm glad I didn't grow up in the same backward part of the country as you.
I think there is a generation in Ireland which would like to think its being opressed by the catholic church where as in reality, the catholic church took a nosedive in Ireland over 20 years ago. Seriously people, are you really that oppresed by the church?
If so, lets go and burn them all down, we'll show those funkers what we think.
Yea rah rah rastafaraai

tinkerbell

I don't go to mass anymore - I stopped going a few years ago.

And yes, those things that I said about a priest are all fact. It's what the man uses in most of his sermons, he's always giving out about something - I ain't making this up! I was horrified when I heard him preaching at the altar about all those topics that I posted above, and lots of people have given out about it after mass as well (this is when I did go to mass).

I know that there are some nice priests that have been in my home parish before, but this priest (that I talked about above) is just a total ass. And yes, you should consider yourself lucky that you didn't have to grow up listening to this kinda rubbish during a sermon!

I ain't oppressed by the church because I ain't bothered with the church, it doesn't rule my life, and it has no say on how I live my normal and decent everyday life.

solas

tinkerbell wrote:

I ain't oppressed by the church because I ain't bothered with the church, it doesn't rule my life, and it has no say on how I live my normal and decent everyday life.

that is the most intelligent thing I have heard anybody say on this subject so far.
I might just put it in my sig.

tinkerbell

Oppressed = "burdened psychologically or mentally; "laden with grief"; "oppressed by a sense of failure"

I'm not burdened by the church. If I was, then I reckon I'd feel forced into going to mass when I don't want to, and have no interest in going. Or I'd be feeling guilty by not going, which I so do not!

solas

I'm very much in agreement with you, I stopped going to church when I was about 13, I would think most peole here did the same, in fact considering the genre here I would think most of the people who post here would have parents who stopped going to church when they were 13/14.
I just don't get the whole being oppressed thing.

Talliesin

What we have here people, is a member of the "Silent Majority" (there aren't very many of them, but they never shut the **** up).

the_syco

Those who try to destroy old Ireland should be shot. Every single christain muthaf*cker! The whole lot. Line them up and shoot them. Go back to the pagan ways, learn Irish only, and not English, throw out all the foreigners, and grow spuds...

Aye. Don't like them foreigners. Coming over here, killing those who don't want to believe their Italian ways... Never figured that one out, actually. Why Italy? Was it because over 3 other religons already claim Jeulusuarm (spelling?) to be "their" main holy city? Anyhoo's, yeah, what was I saying? Oh yeah. Not only should we kill them, but we should get the lists of all the Christains, and kill them. May as well kill all the other relgions as well. Wouldn't want to discriminate, would we? Oh. That does seem rather like 1930's Germany. Lets smash windows?

And why stop there? Why not go a bit further, and kill where all the spew comes from. Italy, Jeulusuarm (spelling?), and while we're at it, why not also a few more. China, for the craic, and then... oh wait. I'm still in charge of Ireland. Hmmm... no army. Ah well. So much for world domination.

=-=

Please note; the above was a joke, and was not meant to offend. Except for those who wish for me to die, because of my beliefs:p

solas

at the early age of 38 me mother says go wesht
get up says she and get a job, said "Aye I'll do me besht"
So..I put on me wellingtons to march to kiltimach
but I took a wrong turn in charlestown..and I ended up in knock.

Vexorg

Buffybot has the right idea here.

V.

Redleslie2

mrhankey88 wrote:

You liberals on here make me sick.

Yeah the liberals allow nazis and old skool fascists to post (politicallly incorrect) rubbish here day in day out and if someone tells it like it is and points out that they are in fact scum, they get banned. Go figure bollockbrain.

BuffyBot

Hmmmm: http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?t=202295

solas

http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?t=200179
I kinda had to laugh a bit

BuffyBot

He's just a comedy goldmine!

Dinner

I'm sick of all the Church bashing aswell. However I'm not a racist idiot like certain other people.

You bash the church you may as well bash all those who believe in the Catholic Church. I may not like some of its policies but that doesnt mean I get into a huff and go around snorting "I hate the Church, they wont suit the modern ages".

You have your views, I have my views and the Church has its views, anyone that hates the Church because of its views is an idiot.

Not too sure if any of that is at all relevant but I've been wanting to say it for a while now.

the_syco

BuffyBot wrote:

Hmmmm: http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?t=202295

What the Stormfront people think of mrhankey

Posting crap/spamming anothers forum isn't generally a good idea and I know I'd a dim view of it if I operated any. Most of your posts weren't in anyway logical or well argued. How you expect to engender any support for the White cause with that load of horse manure, I just don't know.

solas

arabel I think you speak for quite a few people, as for the likes of mr hanky..there are a few running around. (don't think they are Irish either,) They are purposely stirring up intolerance and I for one have had enough of religious intolerance, considering the climate we grew up in.
I genuinely believe the majority here feel the same way.
live and let live. (or total apathy..whichever suits best)

Redleslie2

solas wrote:

They are purposely stirring up intolerance

Or challenging political correctness and liberal dogma.

Memnoch

solas wrote:

arabel I think you speak for quite a few people, as for the likes of mr hanky..there are a few running around. (don't think they are Irish either,) They are purposely stirring up intolerance and I for one have had enough of religious intolerance, considering the climate we grew up in.
I genuinely believe the majority here feel the same way.
live and let live. (or total apathy..whichever suits best)

the problem is that the church isn't interested in live and let live. It's constantly pushing it's agenda and trying to impose it's views wherever possible and trying to involve itself in political decision making. The recent events in the United States being a good example.

So unfortunately the only way for the tolerant to be able to live in tolerance of each other would be to get rid of the intolerance, but the only way to do that would be to stop tolerating the intolerant and then you would become just like them...

I hate the church, burn them all down! vive la resistance!

Karl Hungus

Arabel wrote:

anyone that hates the Church because of its views is an idiot.

No, I personally hate the Church because of it's choice of internal decor. :rolleyes:

Oppossing the Church for it's views, actions and policies? Why that'd be daft!

Memnoch

Redleslie2 wrote:

Or challenging political correctness and liberal dogma.

power troll post if i ever saw one, sarcastic or not :P

Dinner

Karl Hungus wrote:

No, I personally hate the Church because of it's choice of internal decor. :rolleyes:

Oppossing the Church for it's views, actions and policies? Why that'd be daft!

Why yes, yes it would.

the_syco

Arabel wrote:

You have your views, I have my views and the Church has its views, anyone that hates the Church because of its views is an idiot.

The church doesn't like gays, but it doesn't mind (and protects) those who **** around.

solas

Oppossing the Church for it's views, actions and policies? Why that'd be daft!

I've been preventing myself from referencing this quote but I think it makes a point.

bobby sands wrote:

when something is repressed, when we were opressed because of our faith, it causes the spirit to seek liberation, to fight for its freedom

..or something along those lines. I'm not using the quote to prmote republicanism, I'm using it as an example of what happens when people are opressed, either through faith or race or whatever the case may be.
If you are not a member of then you are no longer oppressed by it.
If you continue to fight it, you will only give it (as an organisation) strength.

the problem is that the church isn't interested in live and let live. It's constantly pushing it's agenda and trying to impose it's views wherever possible

what jesus christin country are you living in, stop daydreaming, where are they imposing their views on you wherever possible?
wake up.

Dinner

the_syco wrote:

The church doesn't like gays, but it doesn't mind (and protects) those who **** around.

Ahem, I believe one of the comandments runs along the lines of "Thou shalt not commit adultery" Correct?

If you are talking about pedo priests than all I have to say is a great big *sigh*.

I've never seen any evidence to suggest that the Church "doesnt mind" peadophilia. Have you?

From what I know the Church thinks homosexual acts are evil. I've never heard nor seen a source which says that the Pope things gays are evil or not loved by him.

Zombrex

Arabel wrote:

I've never seen any evidence to suggest that the Church "doesnt mind" peadophilia. Have you?

You mean other than the fact that for years the Catholic Church at all levels has protected peadophile priests around the world, at the expense of the victims and families ... no, no evidence at all :rolleyes:

Naive statements like this is one of the reasons people are so angry to towards the Church and its "blind" followers ..

Arabel wrote:

From what I know the Church thinks homosexual acts are evil. I've never heard nor seen a source which says that the Pope things gays are evil or not loved by him.

Well that is ok then. Telling someone what they do is evil and if they don't repent they are going to spend eternaty in hell isn't really that bad. :rolleyes:

Talliesin

Memnoch wrote:

the problem is that the church isn't interested in live and let live. It's constantly pushing it's agenda and trying to impose it's views wherever possible and trying to involve itself in political decision making. The recent events in the United States being a good example.

That would be the extent of my opposition to the RC Church, my disagreements go further (I disagree with most of what they say and believe) but my actual opposition is only in so far as they try to involve themselves in secular affairs (they can hardly complain, they chose to start playing by the rules of secular political involvement) and much more so in actually undermining our secular affairs (I don't think their running our schools and hospitals has been entirely negative and will give them their due, particularly given a historical context where nobody else was going to do it, but this should be a Republic and they should be our schools and hospitals).

Beyond that I'll always defend the religious freedom of anyone, and given the circles I move in that tends to mean my speaking in the Church's defense more often than against them.

Of course this middle-ground position means I probably just piss off everyone whatever they think about the Church!

Zombrex

solas wrote:

where are they imposing their views on you wherever possible?
wake up.

where have you been for the last 2000 years?

You must be about 12 years old and from Dublin if you have no experience of the church imposing their views on Ireland.

Read a history book, any history book about Irish society in the last 100 years it 90% of it will contain references to the church organising and controlling public and private lives in Ireland

Memnoch

Arabel wrote:

Ahem, I believe one of the comandments runs along the lines of "Thou shalt not commit adultery" Correct?

If you are talking about pedo priests than all I have to say is a great big *sigh*.

I've never seen any evidence to suggest that the Church "doesnt mind" peadophilia. Have you?

From what I know the Church thinks homosexual acts are evil. I've never heard nor seen a source which says that the Pope things gays are evil or not loved by him.

really?

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/4/19/184327/493

Ratzinger is also the author of a May 2001 letter to bishops stating that the "Crimine solicitationies" law (regarding strict secrecy in sex abuse cases) is still in effect.
The 69-page Latin document bearing the seal of Pope John XXIII was sent to every bishop in the world. The instructions outline a policy of 'strictest' secrecy in dealing with allegations of sexual abuse and threatens those who speak out with excommunication.
Lawyers point to a letter the Vatican sent to bishops in May 2001 clearly stating the 1962 instruction was in force until then. The letter is signed by Cardinal Ratzinger, the most powerful man in Rome beside the Pope and who heads the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith - the office which ran the Inquisition in the Middle Ages.

there is plenty more stuff out there on google.com for anyone wanting to read up about this

for eg..

At the height of the scandal of priestly pedophilia in the United States, he blamed the uproar on a media conspiracy. "I am personally convinced," he told an interviewer, "that the constant presence in the press of the sins of Catholic priests, especially in the U.S., is a planned campaign."

Bri

Arabel wrote:

I've never seen any evidence to suggest that the Church "doesnt mind" peadophilia. Have you?

Seriously, I have to add to the above comments. Do you ever read/watch the news? Even a few weeks ago - there was major outcry. Are you seriously saying you've never heard anything remotely similar to this big story...

Read this:
here
Specifically:

[Cardinal] Law resigned as archbishop of Boston in 2002 after court documents showed that he and other leaders of the Boston church shuttled known pedophiles from parish to parish without informing worshipers.

Also:

Cardinal Law resigned after a judge decided to unseal court records that included a letter from the cardinal commending priests even though he knew they had been accused of abusing children. He eventually stepped down and cloistered himself in a monastery until his appointment in Rome.

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2005/04/08/1112815725265.html?from=top5&oneclick=true