Toyota 1.6 boy racers Crash and Court Case

unkel

:rolleyes:

Gurgle

unkel wrote:

:rolleyes:

so?

unkel

Clicky on the linky for the article

Gurgle

unkel wrote:

Clicky on the linky for the article

I did, I read.
So you're providing a news-pointing-out service now ?

unkel

Apologies, you need to register to view the article. Here goes from todays Indo:

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[font=Arial, Verdana, Arial]Car enthusiast' was driving at 110mph just before crash[/font]
A CAR enthusiast told the High Court yesterday that he was driving at about 110 mph (177kph) when his vehicle went out of control and that it was doing 80/90 mph as it crashed, seriously injuring his passenger, also a car enthusiast.

Brian Cooke (24) said he had got to know his passenger, Alan Anderson, now aged 25, through a website. On the evening of the accident the latter had asked him to see how fast they could go and that he (Mr Anderson) would take pictures of the speedometer to put on the web.

Mr Anderson, a mechanic, of Maypark Lane, Waterford, is suing Brian Cooke and his father Thomas Cooke, both of Pinewood Avenue, Hillview, Waterford, arising out of the crash at Port View, Belview, Waterford, on November 18, 2001.

Mr Cooke senior was not in the car at the time of the accident and is sued as owner of the vehicle.

The defence denies the claim. It submits that Mr Anderson was in the vehicle for the purpose of obtaining photographic evidence of the Toyota 1.6 Twin Cam GTI performing at maximum speed, which, it is claimed, he required for submission to a website.

Mr Anderson, who was a student at the time, sustained a fracture and other serious injuries to his right leg and ankle. The President of the High Court, Justice Joseph Finnegan, had part heard the case during a sitting in Waterford last July. It was stated at yesterday's resumed hearing that Mr Anderson had no recall for some time prior to the accident and subsequent to it.

In evidence yesterday, Brian Cooke said Mr Anderson was a front seat passenger. Mr Anderson rang him and they agreed to meet. Mr Anderson asked him to go to Port Road and see how fast they could go. He said he would take pictures. Mr Anderson had a camera and wanted to photograph the speedometer at maximum speed. The road was about two miles long with one or two slight curves.

As they took off, Mr Anderson took out a camera and said "Are you ready." The took off at maximum speed. About half way down the road, Mr Anderson leaned over and took a picture of the speedometer. The car was doing in excess of 125mph (200kph).

They went back along the road and Mr Anderson suggested to do it again. On the second run he did not have the same speed. No photo was taken. The back of the car spun to the left and across the road towards an embankment. The car's speed had been about 110 mph and he could not get it back under control. It collided with a lamp post

Brian Cooke said he himself was slightly trapped but was able to got out. Mr Anderson was trapped. The emergency services arrived. Several days later, he got his wallet, a mobile phone and a camera from a garda who had been at the scene. He left the camera, which was damaged, into a photo shop. He got back three pictures. Two were "black" and the third showed the speedometer of the car with the needle indicating a speed of 126 mph.

It was put to Brian Cooke that the garda had stated that he had seen no camera in the car. Mr Cooke said he could not remember if he had signed for the camera when he got it back.

Brian Cooke said he had been prosecuted in the District Court for dangerous driving and was convicted. He had appealed to the Circuit Court.

He had not told his insurance company that the vehicle was Twin Cam.

The hearing continues today

Gurgle

125mph isn't really all that impressive.

Ratchet

could be worst , they could kill somebody, hope judge gives him good riding



not mentioning stupid website

echomadman

Another AE86 destroyed in the hands of boy racers.
those things are arse-out crash machines, i've head the following lines so many times.
day 1: "I gat a twin cam man, it's deadly fast an i can do donuts and everything"

week later: "man i crashed the twin cam, lost it on a corner"

Seanie M

Gurgle wrote:

125mph isn't really all that impressive.

And what is? Do you go around breaking personal land speed records too?

:rolleyes:

Gurgle

Seanie M wrote:

And what is? Do you go around breaking personal land speed records too?
:rolleyes:

I'm not saying that 125mph isn't fast, I'm saying its not fast enough to boast about or to take a picture of the speedometer for your website.

If you want to impress with your ability to press down on a peddle, you'll have to do better than that.

not any more

GreeBo

Gurgle wrote:

If you want to impress with your ability to press down on a peddle, you'll have to do better than that.

Thats interesting, coz nothing about speeding in a car impresses me.
Mad Huh! :cool:

Stark

Oh you're so overly PC it's not funny. I knew exactly what Gurgle meant, just because he said people have driven a lot faster than 125mph doesn't mean he was condoning it.

GreeBo

Stark wrote:

Oh you're so overly PC it's not funny. I knew exactly what Gurgle meant, just because he said people have driven a lot faster than 125mph doesn't mean he was condoning it.

And what pray tell is Politically Correct about not being a moron on the roads?
Obeying the law is PC now is it?
Fantastic.

RicardoSmith

I note that the car was not declared as a TC to the insurance.

De Hipster

RicardoSmith wrote:

I note that the car was not declared as a TC to the insurance.

bet you could hear the policy bailout footsteps running off in the background before they'd even realised they'd hit anything!

Gurgle

GreeBo wrote:

Thats interesting, coz nothing about speeding in a car impresses me.
Mad Huh! :cool:

I'm not trying to impress you or anybody else.

I'm merely pointing out that if I wanted to drive a car soooooo fast that like minded twats would think I was really cool, I would be setting my sights a lot higher than 125mph.

Get it ?

528i

Daddys car + invalid insurance + 125mph.. yeah real clever, begs the question how many of these brainless scrotes are actually properly insured on those maxed cars ?

70mph is fast for those rusty little sh|tbox corollas, 125mph+ is just plain mental, no wonder they crashed, lucky they didn't kill someone, which website did they require "photographic evidence of the Toyota 1.6 Twin Cam GTI performing at maximum speed" for "submission" to ?

Surely this website should be investigated further with a view to closing it down, or at the very least discouraging this sort of behaviour before somebody loses their life.

AlienGav

528i wrote:

Daddys car + invalid insurance + 125mph.. yeah real clever, begs the question how many of these brainless scrotes are actually properly insured on those maxed cars ?.

Sadly, very few.

As far as i'm aware, there are some insurance companies in Ireland that don't have the AE86 Twincam on their books, and will simply insure it as 1.6 corolla, despite trying to explain to them exactly what they are. :eek:

On the other hand, there's also the scammers who forget to mention vtecs, gti, turbos etc... Will that ever change?

Kracken

I have to say that any dirtbag who drives at 125mph for the purpose of getting a bigger ego, needs to get a swift kick to the balls and then taken outside and shot... Its retards like that who drive up insurance, have they no idea that driving like that is for sissy-ass chickens who think that they are great.. if they need to prance around in there penis ententions all day trying to show off there small manhood do it in a field were they belong liek animals...

God grow up people - are ye not going to be happy till ye have the blood a child on your hands.....


And of course i am sure you will all reply with the usual.. your wrong - i'm so right bull.. well the fact that you have to prove that you need to show in a car and so on means that your not worthy of the title human being....

BANZAI_RUNNER

at least if they are going to drive around like that they should take into account a few things

1. at least have a decent car
2. be quailfied to drive it i.e. advanced driving school , provisional licence is not a licence to drive like a twat,

and even taking into account the afore mentioned , there is always the "what if " factor , because no matter how good you "think" you can drive there will always be the "what if " factor. I spent 2 years in the U.S. and while i was there i did the advanced tactical driving course, which i passed , but with the exception of one occasion i have never had to use the skills i was thought

RicardoSmith

Gurgle wrote:

I'm not trying to impress you or anybody else.

I'm merely pointing out that if I wanted to drive a car soooooo fast that like minded twats would think I was really cool, I would be setting my sights a lot higher than 125mph.

Get it ?

I don't get your point. If you were going to do something really dumb, like these guys you'd do something even more dumb to prove you could be more stupid.

???

AlienGav

RicardoSmith wrote:

if you were going to do something really dumb, like these guys you'd do something even more dumb to prove you could be more stupid.

???

lol!! What a head wreck! I like it!

GreeBo

BANZAI_RUNNER wrote:

1. at least have a decent car
2. be quailfied to drive it i.e. advanced driving school , provisional licence is not a licence to drive like a twat,

In my book thats still acting like a tosser.

BANZAI_RUNNER wrote:

I spent 2 years in the U.S. and while i was there i did the advanced tactical driving course, which i passed , but with the exception of one occasion i have never had to use the skills i was thought

Thats great that you have these Advanced Technical Skills, Im sure they get you to Tesco quicker,:cool: but the fact still remains that there are more of them out there than there are of you, you can have all the skills you want behind a wheel, but if you are doing 125 and a kid walks out, all you'll need your tactics for are explaining to his parents.
Driving in excess of the speed limits on a public road is stupid, dangerous and in my book makes you a cretin.
Nothing personal.

GreeBo

RicardoSmith wrote:

I don't get your point. If you were going to do something really dumb, like these guys you'd do something even more dumb to prove you could be more stupid.

???

Im pretty sure that if you drive at 125mph, logic 'aint yer thang...

BANZAI_RUNNER

GreeBo wrote:

In my book thats still acting like a tosser.

Thats great that you have these Advanced Technical Skills, Im sure they get you to Tesco quicker,:cool: but the fact still remains that there are more of them out there than there are of you, you can have all the skills you want behind a wheel, but if you are doing 125 and a kid walks out, all you'll need your tactics for are explaining to his parents.
Driving in excess of the speed limits on a public road is stupid, dangerous and in my book makes you a cretin.
Nothing personal.

thats my point exactly , its the "what if " factor . Even thought i have done the course , i dont drive like a maniac ,i obey the speed limits , but i have needed the skills to avoid boy racers from crashing into me. I did the course to improve my driving skills , not to become a boy racer .

AlienGav

BANZAI_RUNNER wrote:

thats my point exactly , its the "what if " factor . Even thought i have done the course , i dont drive like a maniac ,i obey the speed limits , but i have needed the skills to avoid boy racers from crashing into me. I did the course to improve my driving skills , not to become a boy racer .

What skills did you use?

Lift off understeEr?
Heel and toe?
Power drifting?
Scandinavian flick?

Or was the 'what if factor' all you needed?
Those pesky boy racers! Always tryna drive into you!! CRAZY! :eek:

BANZAI_RUNNER

i had two muppets driving side by side on a road in county limerick at 3 am one morning , waited until the idiot on my side reacted first , then took avoiding action , that is one thing we were taught , wait to see what the other guy will do , afterall you dont want to make a gut decision and react only to find the other guy has reacted the same way a you, all i lost was my side mirror , but in all the confusion , i was still able to give the Gardai the make , model, colour registration and a decent description of the driver , who was then caught by the gardai,

AlienGav

I don't mean to sound like a prat here,

But it sounds like all you had to do was put your foot on the brake...
Let those idiots get on with their idiocy, and maybe you'd still have your mirrir intact! :rolleyes:

BANZAI_RUNNER

sounds like that , but then it would apper that i had bags of time to react, all i had was about 10 seconds , so braking would have been the wrong thing to do

ando

528i wrote:

lucky they didn't kill someone

The doctors didnt have much hope for the passenger on the night of the accident, lucky he survived

528i wrote:

which website did they require "photographic evidence of the Toyota 1.6 Twin Cam GTI performing at maximum speed" for "submission" to ?

yea that was a misprint

causal

BANZAI_RUNNER wrote:

... waited until the idiot on my side reacted first , then took avoiding action

Ahh, nothing like a good game of chicken

Brian Cooke said he had been prosecuted in the District Court for dangerous driving and was convicted. He had appealed to the Circuit Court.

He appealed :eek:


causal

elexes

Gurgle wrote:

I'm not saying that 125mph isn't fast, I'm saying its not fast enough to boast about or to take a picture of the speedometer for your website.

If you want to impress with your ability to press down on a peddle, you'll have to do better than that.

not any more

ye id agree i love f1 cars wouldnt mind taking 2 years to learn how to drive one in a strait line just to know what it feels like . wouldnt also mind bing a pilot must be around the same sort of feeling

ye if i wanted to brag about speed id get into somthn faster . seeing one of them 200 mph+ skylines on airfields is also nice

green-blood

my 66 848cc mini will do 74mph flat out, full chat, I even have video of the speedo, never mind poxy photos, how's that for oneupmansip.... and all 100% legal :-)

elexes

i got to see the irish times version of this story . it differs

lomb

the old corollas were crash machines all right, the rear axle is a solid beam cart spring type and under lateral loading the tyre doesnt fully contact the ground creating an instability.

impr0v

Regarding the description of the car not matching the insurance cover, given that the insurance companies can presumably then refuse to pay out any compensation or court award, etc., and treat the case as an uninsured driver incident to be covered by the fund for this purpose, is there any incentive for insurance companies to ensure that the car being insured is correctly described, included all modifications etc.?

Guy:Incognito

AlienGav wrote:

On the other hand, there's also the scammers who forget to mention vtecs, gti, turbos etc... Will that ever change?

It won't till the insurance companies cop them selves on and stop paying out on policies that are deliberately misleading. Crashing at 125mph alone should be enough to invalidate your insurance. Crashes should all be investigated to make sure the details match the policy. One or two non payouts of €20,000 or so will pay for someone to perform the checks.

unkel

elexes wrote:

i got to see the irish times version of this story . it differs

That's worrying. One would have thought that the two major national newspapers got their facts right

Any link? Or would you care to elaborate?

causal

Chuck Yeager, legendary test pilot, is impressive:

He attained a top speed of Mach 1.06 (700 mph).

Richard Noble, world land speed record holder, is impressive:

The average speed between the two runs was 763.035 miles per hour, which is Mach 1.020.

Michael Schumacher is impressive, Lance Armstrong is impressive, Valentino Rossi is impressive.

If people want to go faster they can take it to the track.
If that's not enough then they can take it to the roads of the Isle of Man

causal

DoctorEdgeWild

Stekelly wrote:

Crashing at 125mph alone should be enough to invalidate your insurance.

Dead right. Surely that would sort out this crippling insurance. Its about time those who endanger others n the roads are punished. Not those who are a certain age or sex!

AMurphy

He had not told his insurance company that the vehicle was Twin Cam.

Was the engine exchanged from a std to a Twin Cam?.
And what are we to determine from the statment?.

If they had declared it as a TC, they get off scott free, ie, in order to do 125 in a Corrolla, you must have a TC or you'r not insureable?.

Anyway, if not modified, is it not up to the ins co to determine what it is from the VIN, without modification, the VIN tells everythign you need to know about the car, engine, etc.
Kind of a stupid question and attitude to technology, IMHO.

It is possible for someone to own a car and not know how many cams, cranks, injectors, plugs, valves or oil caps are under the hood.....
So the owner either not knowing or declaring it is a TC or 4 cam etc is not a good system.

Even the "ins" experts themselves are not well up on these items, as years ago when my bro was insureing his diesel, the "person" behind the counter was doing very well until s/he asked if it "was fuel injected". Of course it is, what of it?.
Reply; "Injected" engines are rated higher...
So now we have a situation where an "injected" diesel possibly costs more to insure than a twin choke carb producing greater power.

Don't know how the story ended, but you can see how the driving public are at the mercy of some form generating pion who cannot (or choose not to) tell the difference between Petrol Injection and Diesel.

Dub_Ster

528i wrote:

Daddys car + invalid insurance + 125mph.. yeah real clever, begs the question how many of these brainless scrotes are actually properly insured on those maxed cars ?

70mph is fast for those rusty little sh|tbox corollas, 125mph+ is just plain mental, no wonder they crashed, lucky they didn't kill someone, which website did they require "photographic evidence of the Toyota 1.6 Twin Cam GTI performing at maximum speed" for "submission" to ?

Surely this website should be investigated further with a view to closing it down, or at the very least discouraging this sort of behaviour before somebody loses their life.

Surely if you choose to speed would you take respancability for your actions or would ya try and get out of it buy balmeing a website ?

and as for corrollas there fun cars to drive if ya can actual piolt a car correctly and not like a moron ,

as for photographic evidance to gain acess to a website im a "boy racer " well was kinda grown up now , and even back then ya did not have to give photo graphic evidance jesus yad think we all wanna be like the fools who street race etc etc ....Its noy like that with any of them !

Hash Boy

Gurgle wrote:

I'm not saying that 125mph isn't fast, I'm saying its not fast enough to boast about or to take a picture of the speedometer for your website.

If you want to impress with your ability to press down on a peddle, you'll have to do better than that.

not any more

Bellend.

FuzzyWuzzyWazza

Gurgle wrote:

I'm not saying that 125mph isn't fast, I'm saying its not fast enough to boast about or to take a picture of the speedometer for your website.

If you want to impress with your ability to press down on a peddle, you'll have to do better than that.

not any more

I have to agree that 125 in a so called maxed out car is pretty sad. In my younger (and by that I mean stupid) days I got ~123mph out of a rattley 97' 1.2 Punto S, with absolutly no madification, even down to the origional steel wheels. This was on the M7 at about 3 in the morning, and I met no other cars on the road, just wanted to see what the car could do, god I used to drive like a gob****e! :rolleyes:

unkel

FuzzyWuzzyWazza wrote:

I got ~123mph out of a rattley 97' 1.2 Punto S, with absolutly no madification

Was that down the cliffs of Moher?

Our man in Havana

The case was up again on friday, anyone hear the result?

Dub_Ster

FuzzyWuzzyWazza wrote:

god I used to drive like a gob****e! :rolleyes:

didnt well all i think its that peroid of growing up were ur eather lucky or unlucky ....

elexes

unkel wrote:

That's worrying. One would have thought that the two major national newspapers got their facts right

Any link? Or would you care to elaborate?

i dont have it with me i had it in work . should still be there ill look 2mor if i find it ill see if i can borrow a scanner

Renegade_Archer

Fooking boy racer scrotes driving up insurance. Its got to the point where its difficult for a male in his 20s to get insurance on any car that isnt a 1litre ****box, god help you if you need to cart any large / heavy gear around from A to B. Disgusted. I hope the judge breaks him into teeny tiny pieces.

Imposter

Renegade_Archer wrote:

Its got to the point where its difficult for a male in his 20s to get insurance on any car that isnt a 1litre ****box, god help you if you need to cart any large / heavy gear around from A to B. Disgusted. I hope the judge breaks him into teeny tiny pieces.

On the other hand once you get old and NEED health insurance everyone else will contribute instead of you paying more because of your age! Risk-equalisation is what they call it, but I can't see it coming to a young male driver near you. Would make an interesting question for anybody looking for votes though!

Kermitt

@fuzzwuzzy

what sort of a twit are you, you condone speeding, lunacy, and then lie through your teeth about what speed you did in a 1.2 punto. that has about as much chance of doing 120 as my tool. even if it could, the stability would be at the very least questionable. I've done a bit of rally driving and a couple of track days, believe me, 120mph is not a simple case of putting the boot down. you idiot. keep off the roads.

p.s using 'it was 3 am' as an excuse is ridiculous, just listen to the reports of accidents any day, 7/10 times you'll hear that it was a single vehicle collision on a deserted road at 4am. doesnt matter what age you are, stupidity and speed kill. :mad: