NTL have upgraded speed on Irish Website

Razorfish

Look at the Irish Website for NTL:


http://www.ntl.com/locales/ie/en/athome/internet_cable.html


1Mbps (100)/2Mbps (200)/3Mbps (300)

Luvley Jubley

seamus

Oh you f'in beauty.

2Mb here we come...

TheMonster

Still seeing this

ntl's Broadband services
Speed* Compare to dial-up internet Monthly subscription*
ntl Broadband Starter 300kbps Over 5 times faster than standard dial-up internet €25
ntl Broadband 750kbps Over 13 times faster than standard dial-up internet €35
ntl Broadband Max 1.5Mb Over 26 times faster than standard dial-up internet €50

ntl
Broadband Starter ntl
Broadband ntl
Broadband Max
Monthly Subscription €25.00 €35.00 €50.00
Installation Connection Fee FREE FREE FREE
Cost of Modem Cable Modem rental is provided at no additional cost
Downstream Speed 300kbps* 750kbps* 1500kbps*
Upstream Speed 64kbps 128kbps 256kbps

nahdoic

Try refreshing the page?

3000Kbps down and 300Kbps up for E45 a month - beauty!

CaptainSparrow

You can check your NTL modem status to see if you have been upgraded here
Your NTL Modem

Razorfish

Seein this:

Subscription €25.00 €35.00 Ђ45.00
Download Speed (Kbps) 1000 2000 3000
Upload Speed (Kbps) 100 200 300
Faster than Dialup Nearly 20 times faster Over 35 times faster Over 50 times faster
Special Offer First 3 Months Free + Free Connection First 3 Months Free + Free Connection First 3 Months Free + Free Connection
Order Now 1800 234 234
Need a Telephone Line? NO NO NO
Modem FREE FREE FREE
Contention Ratio 17:01 17:01 17:01
Freephone Technical Support YES YES YES
Suitable for Network Gaming YES YES YES
Email YES YES YES
Webspace YES YES YES
Newsgroups YES YES YES
Usage Allowance
(GB per Month) <Link to Policy> 16 30 40

kin9pin

40GB per month. Haven't looked properly yet at AUP, but I presume that's 40GB download still? If that's the case the 1GB per day threat is history :)

fatherdougalmag

So has anyone been able to check their modem? Or do these speeds just apply to new installs, for which lead times probably extend into next week (beginning of May)?

Edit: Never mind. It still seems to be the 300/750/1.5 speeds for now.

seamus

A previous thread mentioned 14th May.

They'll probably make a press release sometime this week.

Pharcyde

Just got off the phone to NTL sales and was told they didn't know anything about this link, but.............. all speeds will be upgraded on JUNE 1ST!!!!!

3mb here we come!!!!!

RE*AC*TOR

cool should be in my new house by then. NTL digital + broadband. Nice.

Third_Echelon

w00p w00p etc etc.

Nice one NTL... must check this out when i get home...

I was on the 1.5mb package, so i presume if you were on the max package previously, they will keep you on the max package with the new rates?

At the moment the 1.5mb is enough for me anyway, so i might downgrade to the new 2MB package and save myself 15 bucks per month... nice one NTL.

MarVeL

Nice to see confirmation of the speeds in writing. Would have been really nice if the uploads were higher but still not bad. Is the 3Mb cheaper than tohe old 1.5?

RE*AC*TOR

I love this

Download Speed...............56Kbps......1000Kbps.....2000Kbps....3000Kbps
GIF file (largest - 400Kb)..57 seconds..3 seconds....2 seconds...3 seconds

SteM

Third_Echelon wrote:

At the moment the 1.5mb is enough for me anyway, so i might downgrade to the new 2MB package and save myself 15 bucks per month... nice one NTL.

Might be worth your while staying on the top package if you DL a lot every month....

1mb - cap is 16GB per month.
2mb - cap is 30GB per month.
3mb - cap is 40GB per month.

bk

MarVeL wrote:

Nice to see confirmation of the speeds in writing. Would have been really nice if the uploads were higher but still not bad. Is the 3Mb cheaper than tohe old 1.5?

Yes it is €5 cheaper , probably downgrade to the 2mb package myself.

Third_Echelon

SteM wrote:

Might be worth your while staying on the top package if you DL a lot every month....

1mb - cap is 16GB per month.
2mb - cap is 30GB per month.
3mb - cap is 40GB per month.

I wouldn't download anything near 30 GBs/month, so staying at the 30 GB 'cap' wouldn't be too much of a problem for me.

RE*AC*TOR

One quick question:- NTLs Cap - is it combined upload and download?

carrotcake

from http://www.ntl.com/locales/ie/en/athome/pdf/InternetUserPolicy2005.pdf...

Usage allowances for ntl’s Broadband services are: up to 3 (Broadband Value), 16 (Broadband Starter), 30 (Broadband) or 40 (Broadband Max) gigabytes downstream of data transfer monthly.

Stark

Quite nice.

Upload speeds are a little bit slow, but still better than DSL

Lenny

Fairly pants upload if you're on the 1meg 100kb upload??
300kupload for the 3meg isn't that nice either..

daramullally

carrotcake wrote:

from http://www.ntl.com/locales/ie/en/athome/pdf/InternetUserPolicy2005.pdf...

Usage allowances for ntl’s Broadband services are: up to 3 (Broadband Value), 16 (Broadband Starter), 30 (Broadband) or 40 (Broadband Max) gigabytes downstream of data transfer monthly.

I wonder what the Broadband Value package is. Up to now the lowest one was the Broadband Starter (was 300K soon to be 1MB).

CaptainSparrow

Anyone try upgrading on the www.ntlworld.com site ?

Serbian

Come on, at least NTL are beginning to get Broadband speeds right. Sure, 300k Upload speed isn't that great, but how many home users would honestly need a lot more that at the moment? It's also nearly 3 times faster than any upload speed on any of the other broadband packages (except wireless) and it's faster than any of the eircom business packages for which you pay through the nose. I think 3Mbps / 300k is finally a decent home Broadband package.

Serbian

CaptainSparrow wrote:

Anyone try upgrading on the www.ntlworld.com site ?

[b]ntl: Broadband Internet - Connection Speed Upgrade[/b]
[i]We are currently unable to change the speed of your connection online.[/i]

CaptainSparrow

Serbian wrote:

[b]ntl: Broadband Internet - Connection Speed Upgrade[/b]
[i]We are currently unable to change the speed of your connection online.[/i]

Thanks Serbian,

I'm wondering if that has ever worked for NTL Ireland. Has anyone ever upgraded to the 1.5MB package from the 750Kbps?

py2006

If anything my download rates are slower today and I am on the Broadband MAX

bk

Lenny wrote:

Fairly pants upload if you're on the 1meg 100kb upload??

Actually 100kb upload from NTL should be about equivalent to Eircoms 128kb upload.

Let me explain, I have both Netsource RADSL 2mb / 128kb and NTL BB Max 1.5m / 256k.

The RADSL upload speed is actually about 104 k due to overhead, however the NTL upload speed is actually 256k, there seemes to be little or no overhead, same with the download speed.

I believe what is happening is that NTL actually give you a slightly higher speed then advertised, in order to compensate for the overhead.

So if this follows for the new products, then the upload speeds and download speeds are actually higher then they seem compared to Eircom.

I'm intrigued by the broadband starter product, a entry level product for abouyt €15 per month would just piss all over Eircom

carrotcake

my upload is set to 128000 bps according to the modem's operation configuration page. the mystery lives on!

causal

bk wrote:

I believe what is happening is that NTL actually give you a slightly higher speed then advertised, in order to compensate for the overhead.

But if you look at your modem config page it reads:

[b]Operation Configuration[/b]
Maximum Downstream Data Rate : 750000 bps
Maximum Upstream Data Rate : 128000 bps

Is it possible that ntls speeds are higher because of lower overhead - and that this lower overhead is because of the 'broadcast' nature of ntl's network - i.e. it doesn't require as much address overhead because all packets are s broadcast from the local node to everyone on the node. Just a theory.

ntl's contention ratio is 17:1 maybe that helps too.

causal

CyberGhost

daramullally wrote:

I wonder what the Broadband Value package is. Up to now the lowest one was the Broadband Starter (was 300K soon to be 1MB).

it's 150K

bk

CyberGhost wrote:

it's 150K

How much and what would be the upload speed, if it was about €15 I'd now a lot of people who it would be perfect for as a ISDN replacement.

causal

The increase is welcome but the upload increases are pathetic.
Now we're all going to be on a 10:1 ratio of downstream:upstream - that sucks

And why do we have to wait until June 1st for the increases

causal

CyberGhost

causal wrote:

The increase is welcome but the upload increases are pathetic.
Now we're all going to be on a 10:1 ratio of downstream:upstream - that sucks

And why do we have to wait until June 1st for the increases

causal

yea 300kb for 3mb is pathetic

bk

CyberGhost wrote:

yea 300kb for 3mb is pathetic

No offence, but these kind of comments annoy me.

It mat not be optimal, but it is pretty good.

Only 5 years ago when IOFFL was formed, BB didn't even exist in Ireland, now we are complaining because we are getting 3m/300k for €45 per month!!!
I suppose it shows how far we have come.

3m / 300k is 10:1, while it isn't ideal, it is much better then Eircoms 2m / 128k which is 20:1.

And remember we are getting the same speeds as the UK for less, only 4 months after the UK, only a year ago we where about 2 years behind the UK in terms of BB.

Product Irish Price UK Price
1m ...... €25 ....... €26.48
2m ...... €35 ....... €36.79
3m ...... €45 ....... €56

CyberGhost

bk wrote:

No offence, but these kind of comments annoy me.

Sorry!

causal

bk wrote:

3m / 300k is 10:1, while it isn't ideal, it is much better then Eircoms 2m / 128k which is 20:1.

2048:128k is 16:1
I do take your point though - we've come far in a short time and it could be, and was, worse.
But, the customer is always right.

If I buy a product and it's 90% ok - you can be sure I'll spend 90% of my time talking about the 10% that isn't ok.
Fair enough there's no way they can make products to keep 100% of customers happy 100% of the time.
But we're entitled to say "actually I'd prefer XYZ, and I don' t like ABC"
That's what I do on boards and when I talk with ntl - it's customer feedback and tbh they're quite happy to get it.

causal

kin9pin

bk wrote:

No offence, but these kind of comments annoy me.

It mat not be optimal, but it is pretty good.

Only 5 years ago when IOFFL was formed, BB didn't even exist in Ireland, now we are complaining because we are getting 3m/300k for €45 per month!!!
I suppose it shows how far we have come.

3m / 300k is 10:1, while it isn't ideal, it is much better then Eircoms 2m / 128k which is 20:1.

And remember we are getting the same speeds as the UK for less, only 4 months after the UK, only a year ago we where about 2 years behind the UK in terms of BB.

Product Irish Price UK Price
1m ...... €25 ....... €26.48
2m ...... €35 ....... €36.79
3m ...... €45 ....... €56

and a bigger/less restrictive cap

Serbian

I'd be interested to see how this compares to the average broadband package in Europe. I think the majority of comparisons have focused on download speeds and the price. The upload is often overlooked. Maybe if someone could even put together a few packages from the UK from BT, Tiscali and whomever else provides broadband in the UK and see how they compare?

Edit: Just took a look myself at the different packages available in the UK and Jesus, it's not as easy as it sounds finding out the upload speed of their packages. Surely it's something that should be very freely available? I had to get most of the upload speeds off here.

Anyway, it looks like the UK is getting pretty much the same as us here. I haven't included the NTL:UK broadband packages as I have just assumed they are the same also it isn't immediately apparent where the NTL broadband information is on the UK site.

BT Yahoo Broadband
2 Mbps / 256 Kbps
30Gb Allowance
€41 per month
Site: Linked Due to exceptionally long URL

Tiscali
2 Mbps / 256 Kbps
15Gb Allowance
€29.50 per month
Site: http://www.tiscali.co.uk/products/nm/website/rabroadband/bundlex40.html

UK Online
8 Mbps / 400 Kbps
€44 per month
500Gb Allowance
Site: http://www.ukonline.net/broadband/

Wanadoo
1 Mbps / 256 Kbps
€41 per month
30Gb Allowance
Site: http://www.wanadoo.co.uk/time/bb_option3.htm

Virgin.Net
512k / 256 Kbps
€37 per month
No allowance apparently, but subject to a Fair Usage policy
Site: http://www.virgin.net/internetaccess/broadband/index.html?buspart=134

bk

Sorry I didn't mean to bash anyones opinion. I actually agree, I would love to see a higher upload speed. I just think that calling the best product on the market, that equals the best in the UK and is €11 cheaper then the UK, "pathetic", is a little strong.

I think we can all agree that we are delighted to see these new products and that those of us who can will probably be getting it.

I think the reason why we are a little disappointed, is because it is so near to being the perfect BB product, that the disappointment is stronger as it falls just short.

But lets stop and congratulate NTL for yet again pushing out the boundarys of the Irish BB market, but lets also remind them that they can do better.

bk

Serbian wrote:

I'd be interested to see how this compares to the average broadband package in Europe. I think the majority of comparisons have focused on download speeds and the price. The upload is often overlooked. Maybe if someone could even put together a few packages from the UK from BT, Tiscali and whomever else provides broadband in the UK and see how they compare?

All of BT's products (and all the BT resellers) are 256k up.

NTL is the same as Ireland now.

Telewest (the other cable provider) is :
1024/128, 2048/256, 4096/384

Even the LLU operators like Bulldog and Plusnet only offer 256k up on everything but their most expensive business products.

See here for details:
http://www.adslguide.org.uk/isps/summarylist.asp

Mainland Europe seems to be a bit better, here are some examples from chello (Chorus and NTL's new owners) in different countries across Europe (sweet):

http://home.fra.chello.fr/upcmnfc/start/abonnements/
http://www.chello.cz/upcmnfc/start/slu_by_chello/
http://home.nld.chello.nl/upcmnfc/start/abonnementen/
http://home.sve.chello.se/upcmnfc/start/abonnemang/

Blaster99

Typical package in Sweden is ADSL2+ 24Mbit down 1Mbit up, €50pm. Clearly those Chello (UPC) guys have countered with a cable version of that. I would be quite happy with a similar package here...

Pharcyde

Slightly off topic, but NTL in the Uk have been informing customers of slight price increases on phone and TV packages, broadband reamins unafected, but the changes are due to come in to effect on....... June 1st!?

mathie

Sorry if its been discussed guys but the search terms 'ntl' and 'cap' are too small but is there a charge for going over the cap on NTL?
If so what is it?
And is it strictly enforced?
Thanks
M

bk

mathie wrote:

Sorry if its been discussed guys but the search terms 'ntl' and 'cap' are too small but is there a charge for going over the cap on NTL?
If so what is it?
And is it strictly enforced?
Thanks
M

No, people who regularly go over the cap have recently received letters from NTL asking them to curtail there usage for the benefit of everyone, but nothing further then this has happened.

CaptainSparrow

Once they have the ability to allow NTL BB customers to check the download usage online they will start to enforce it but they have no idea when this will be.

Will they charge for going over or will they throttle your connection is still not known

jmcc

So this NTL internet availablility in Waterford - is it just the usual branded Eircom DSL or is it real cable internet?

Regards...jmcc

seamus

jmcc wrote:

So this NTL internet availablility in Waterford - is it just the usual branded Eircom DSL or is it real cable internet?

Regards...jmcc

It's NTL's cable offering Afaik.

JNive

lol, now that would be a big step in the wrong direction :-) reselling RADSL over Cable heheh
RADoC :-)
yeah, its their cable internet 100%.

jmcc

seamus wrote:

It's NTL's cable offering Afaik.

Heh - if so, they took their bloody time about it. I actually covered/wrote about the launch of their cable internet product in 1998. You can see why I am a little bit cynical about NTL rolling out anything outside of Dublin.

Regards...jmcc

bk

jmcc wrote:

Heh - if so, they took their bloody time about it. I actually covered/wrote about the launch of their cable internet product in 1998. You can see why I am a little bit cynical about NTL rolling out anything outside of Dublin.

Regards...jmcc

Another thread mentions that they have started to take orders in parts of Galway, so it looks like NTL is starting to get it's act together.