128K upload, an issue for how many?

CyberGhost

How many of you actually have real issues with 128K upload?

Irishpimp

No, I don't really notice it much, doesn't really matter to me

lol course i do but what is the point on starting yet another topic on this????

snappieT

No, I don't really notice it much, doesn't really matter to me

As do I. I need at least 256, pref 512 or more.

Petition already started by yours truly on this subject, got nowhere.

CyberGhost

ah, my appologies if someone else already started a similar thread, didn't notice it.

Irishpimp

No, I don't really notice it much, doesn't really matter to me

i know but the topic was locked

Willymuncher

No, I don't really notice it much, doesn't really matter to me

For the amount of uploading i do, 128 is terrible...

vector

No, I don't really notice it much, doesn't really matter to me

the slow upload

-the isps dont want it changed (more bandwidth)
-the telcos dont want it changed (voip)
-the hosting community dont want it changed (self hosting)
-most customers dont want it changed (dont know about it)

JNive

No, I don't really notice it much, doesn't really matter to me

considering you can get equivalent hosting for €3 / month, i dont think i would go to the trouble of hosting websites etc on my home DSL conenction instead of with a hoster lol.

po0k

No, I don't really notice it much, doesn't really matter to me

It's nice to have a bit of upload for managing that website though, or for impromptu hosting of game servers, webcasts, video conferencing, VoIP, just about anything that requires an ounce of bandwidth.

128K is not enough.

vishal

No, I don't really notice it much, doesn't really matter to me

it should be 256 for 1mb and 512 for 2. that is the way it is in the uk, i think?

JNive

No, I don't really notice it much, doesn't really matter to me

oh i know, and i still think 128K isnt enough but im saying i wouldnt want it just so i could host my website lol, nor would i host my website on it.

exiztone

Yeah, I think 256 should be the minimum!

vibe666

No, I don't really notice it much, doesn't really matter to me

voip, webserving, remote connections, ftp uploads etc. etc.

I'd happily give up half my 2mbps to get 512kbps upload personally.

greglo23

No, I don't really notice it much, doesn't really matter to me

they wont move from 128 for a while as it would make voip viable.

Gone West

No, I don't really notice it much, doesn't really matter to me

VOIP equals less profits for eircom.
(example - I can ring my family in the US for 1 euro per hour on VOIP, but if I used my eircom landline, it would cost approx 20 yoyos an hour)
Voip will start to eat serious profits from eircom soon, and I'd imagine they would do anything to slow the takeup of VOIP in Ireland.
Limiting their "broadband" upload speed to (a laughable )128k seems to be one tactic, abeit a very low and underhand one.

Blaster99

No, I don't really notice it much, doesn't really matter to me

Do you think maybe the fact that you can use VoIP over 128kbps makes the whole VoIP conspiracy is a bit weak? And you can use Telestunt and get similar rates without bothering with VoIP, by the way.

The reason they limit the upload speed is simply to cut down on bandwidth requirements so they can make more money or offer a more competitively priced product, depending on how you want to look at it. Eircom also has an interest in protecting leased line revenue, which is overpriced in Ireland.

Xcellor

No, I don't really notice it much, doesn't really matter to me

I've found VOIP more expensive than Telestunt.ie on several calls... If anyone can get me a cheaper price than they offer over VOIP to Mexico let me know!

X

CorkMan

No, I don't really notice it much, doesn't really matter to me

the very limited upload speed hampers my online usage a lot.

Eye

No, I don't really notice it much, doesn't really matter to me

128k up sux

cannot download something and play a game at the same time.

from time to time a mate of mine brings over his laptop so we can play some HL2 deathmatch or CSS + other games....not with 128k you cant, pings shoot right up from 30-40 for a single person on a pretty full uk server, to (if you lucky) under 100 for 2 people on an almost empty uk server, just not viable having 128k upload if your a gamer and want to use a network.

I'm on IOLBB+ with 2mb line, could be playing away on my own but if anyone on the network is browsing, i know about it, wtf are they playing at, they multply the download speed by 4, only increase the cap by 50% and leave the upload on 128k, muppets the hole lot of em.

i would gladly give up the 2mb line and go to 1mb/512k, hell i'd even consider a 512k/512k if the price was right and there was'nt a ridiculous cap on the line.

jor el

No, I don't really notice it much, doesn't really matter to me

BB is shared in my house to two computers via wireless LAN and the 128k upload is a real bitch. If one wants to play online games then the other really can't do anything. I'd really like to see an increase, even to 256k, on the upload.

Quadroupling the download speed but leaving the upload the same was just a stupid thing to do IMO.

Also, I can't see how 256k upload on DSL would actually effect Eircom's leased line business, surely leased lines have a bit more bite than this. Also, what's Smart's excuse for keeping 128k upload? Or do Smart have a leased line business too, I don't know.

JNive

No, I don't really notice it much, doesn't really matter to me

Closest thing to leased line that they do LOL.
http://www.smarttelecom.ie/products/corporate/products/internet.htm

ryshandyr

No, I don't really notice it much, doesn't really matter to me

Hey guys. I have IOLBB plus (2Mb Down/128k Up) and even though the upstream sucks I still quite happily can use VOIP without any problems.

I use Smoothwall with the QoS add-on and just configure my rules so that if It detects an outbound VOIP connection that it throttles all other outbound traffic until the call is completed. It took a little fiddling to get it working but now it gives my VOIP connection priority and just throttles any uploads I currently have.

I'm never on the phone for long enough that the upload would be affected by a reduced upload rate for a few mins.

There's other alternatives too if you don't want SmoothWall but check it out anyway; http://www.smoothwall.org

/Rysh

Blaster99

No, I don't really notice it much, doesn't really matter to me

jor el wrote:

Also, what's Smart's excuse for keeping 128k upload? Or do Smart have a leased line business too, I don't know.

Smart's "excuse" is, as I've already mentioned, that by keeping the upload speed low they can offer a cheaper service. Seems they believe that people are more interested in download speeds and a low price.

CyberGhost

Blaster99 wrote:

Smart's "excuse" is, as I've already mentioned, that by keeping the upload speed low they can offer a cheaper service. Seems they believe that people are more interested in download speeds and a low price.

well as you see from the poll the majority wants a better upload even if it means sucrificing download speed

Blaster99

No, I don't really notice it much, doesn't really matter to me

Great. I'm calling Smart now to tell them the news. You can expect a new product announcement before the end of the day.

GarfieldConnoll

Blaster99 wrote:

Great. I'm calling Smart now to tell them the news. You can expect a new product announcement before the end of the day.

Blaster99,

Thanks for the call. It'll be a bit of a push to a get the new services up and running for close of business. But since everyone wants it.....;-)

Garfield.

JNive

No, I don't really notice it much, doesn't really matter to me

or else, seeing as they say most people dont need the extra upload, then there wouldnt be full usage of the 256k up, thus making it less expensive to implent,

or maybe this,
2M/128K for €30 ( including the free line rental )
2M/256K for €40 ( including the free line rental )
3M/512K for €65 ( including the free line rental ) w/ static ip


considering leased lines have at least 2MBit upload, there is still plenty of room there, and most SDSL offerings are 1MBit and up.

I am pretty sure that with such a lineup , Smart could wipe the floor with any competition.

:-)

Furp

No, I don't really notice it much, doesn't really matter to me

I don't upload a lot but when i do Its usually a batch of my latest digital camera pictures to be printed and when im sending 150 images @ 3-8mb each 128k is just so slow.

CyberGhost

GarfieldConnoll wrote:

Blaster99,

Thanks for the call. It'll be a bit of a push to a get the new services up and running for close of business. But since everyone wants it.....;-)

Garfield.

Garfield, seriously, PLEASE! raise upload speeds, I'm sure most of the guys here would pay a little extra to get 256kb/s or 512kb/s(I personally would pay 50-70 euro for 2048/512)

Gone West

No, I don't really notice it much, doesn't really matter to me

Blaster: 128k up is ine for VOIP if your running skype/etc exclusively. But what if someone else on the network is playing games or surfing. In my experience calls get dropped and patchy if your upload is 128k, *unless* there is nothing else at all using any upload bandwidth.

GarfieldConnoll

CyberGhost wrote:

Garfield, seriously, PLEASE! raise upload speeds, I'm sure most of the guys here would pay a little extra to get 256kb/s or 512kb/s(I personally would pay 50-70 euro for 2048/512)

CyberGhost,

50-70 euro on top of 35 euro for 2048/128?

If not, would you expect free line rental included in the price?

From a technical perspective, it's just point and click to change profiles (upload/ download/ interleaving), so we could do it. I'ld have to make sure we could bill it, but I'm sure that's possible. After that it's about how much can your line handle.

The profile I'm on is 'Line Speed' with interleaving off, so it's pretty much down to the quality of the connection between me and the exchange.

If we were offering higher speeds, people would have to understand that their profile is set on the DSLAM, but their end experience would have a lot to do with the quality of the copper pair. We certainly don't want to create headaches for all concerned because you're not getting the 10MB/1MB you're paying us for.

Garfield.

CyberGhost

GarfieldConnoll wrote:

CyberGhost,

50-70 euro on top of 35 euro for 2048/128?

If not, would you expect free line rental included in the price?

From a technical perspective, it's just point and click to change profiles (upload/ download/ interleaving), so we could do it. I'ld have to make sure we could bill it, but I'm sure that's possible. After that it's about how much can your line handle.

The profile I'm on is 'Line Speed' with interleaving off, so it's pretty much down to the quality of the connection between me and the exchange.

If we were offering higher speeds, people would have to understand that their profile is set on the DSLAM, but their end experience would have a lot to do with the quality of the copper pair. We certainly don't want to create headaches for all concerned because you're not getting the 10MB/1MB you're paying us for.

Garfield.

No, not on top of the 35E 2048/128

70euro for 2048/512 including the line rental(in those 70 euro)

which makes broadband itself 50e

the current price for BB you guys offer comes out 15euro, I think 35 on top of the current, for 512k upload is pretty fair

for 50 euro you get 2048/512, which is balanced, KILLS eircom's "home plus" and still is cheaper

I think lots of people would get it.(look at the polls!)

you could still keep the 2048/128 package, for those 15% who don't care about upload speeds.

eircom would be killed

CyberGhost

forgot to add, that you could market it as a broadband that lets you play games online while loading trailers and opening web pages at the same time, and if the if you supply modems that have built it switches(like 4 ports), you could also market it like for example, teenager runs out of the rooms shouting for his sister or mother to stop using internet cause he can't play an online game, and you say unlike other internet provider packages, with our broadband you can do all that at the same time, Mom checks email with her laptop, father does his banking, kid plays game, all together, and the usual ending "SmartTelecom, it's Smart choice!". Since eircom is trying to catch up to you, and your old commercials aren't true anymore(4 times faster) this could give you a new lead.

end of transmission.

I don't think faster upload will cause you loses in telephone service(because of VoIP), your prices telephone prices are great, and seriously telephone is still widely used

Blaster99

No, I don't really notice it much, doesn't really matter to me

It's obviously not difficult to sell you things if you think paying €35pm for an extra 384kbps of upload speed is fair. That's the insanest suggestion I've heard in quite a while. €5pm maybe.

Vadrefjorde

No, I don't really notice it much, doesn't really matter to me

Does this mean that Smart will be puting another package together? One that's worth getting this time?
To be fair, we all owe a lot to Smart for throwing the cat amongst the pigeons in the broadband market. But i personally think it a mistake to only offer one package designed for the "mass market".
What was forgotten was that the majority of people who want broadband already have it. Now you've had a chance to see what the response from the competition has been it should be time to offer a package to people who're already customers with the other ISPs.

CyberGhost

Blaster99 wrote:

It's obviously not difficult to sell you things if you think paying €35pm for an extra 384kbps of upload speed is fair. That's the insanest suggestion I've heard in quite a while. €5pm maybe.

so if SmartTelecom offered 2048/512 for €50 vs Eircom 2048/128 €54, would you go for eircom?

yes, we can demand better speeds for lesser price, but seriously, they have to have atleast some interest to "move" and do something about it

EDIT: I'd go with Smart, even over ntl, cause 2048/512 is much better then ntl's 3000/300k

we all owe a lot to Smart for throwing the cat amongst the pigeons in the broadband market

Yes! if it wasn't for Smart, we would be stuck on 512 for a loooong time.

Vadrefjorde

No, I don't really notice it much, doesn't really matter to me

CyberGhost wrote:

I'd go with Smart, even over ntl, cause 2048/512 is much better then ntl's 3000/300

Yep me too.
And given the current problems with Irish Broadband this seems more and more appealing!!