Reclaim The Streets Mayday 2005!

thiscityburns

www.dissenteire.tk

Shrimp

good stuff..

Spacedog

RTS, Feels like summer

adox

Hasnt this already been posted and given a warning?

whiskeyman

"carnival of resistance against the G8!"

Sod that... what about G4?
They're the greater threat!!
Ruining classic as Bohemian Rhapsody and Creep.... what will they target next??

Spacedog

LOL, they're equally evil

whiskeyman

Spacedog wrote:

LOL, they're equally evil

tell me about it....
RTS... Reclaim The Songs!!
Should have a masseeeve speak blasting out all the classic originals around town, as we burn all those awful awful covers.
Then bring back Robocop so he can beat the livin bejesus outta those G4 twats.

Dinxminx

Havent been to one of those before-- somehow I'm always away.... Are they any good?

thiscityburns

yeh, g4 are next after we disband the g8.

Spacedog

Dinxminx wrote:

Havent been to one of those before-- somehow I'm always away.... Are they any good?

There good as long as the guards keep their numbers on.

projectmayhem

whiskeyman wrote:

Then bring back Robocop so he can beat the livin bejesus outta those G4 twats.

that's EXACTLY what rts needs - robocop! we'll see what a real riot is then

almostagassi

There has never been a riot at a reclaim the streets party before. in the past there has been the lawful use of self defece against provocateurs like the aforementioned Robocop.

its been called a riot by sterotyping conservatives who unjustly believe groups of people listening to music in one area = violence

its a party celebrating the reclaiming of public property that is been taken by commercial shops and juggernaught trucks owned by corporations. if u dont own a car then you have no right to use the roads.

whiskeyman

almostagassi wrote:

if u dont own a car then you have no right to use the roads.

yeah u do - if you have a bike.... or use public transport.
And besides.... use the footpath!

kt_hughes

I just don't get this. What's it in aid of? Causing trouble just for the sake of it?? Is there some deep meaningful political statement you're trying to make??? For those of you trying to make a stand against commercialism, your ideas are wasted on those who just want an outlet for aggression. Actually your ideas are just wasted. Causing trouble in the city centre is hardly a good way to go about it. How about trying something constructive for a change?

s8n

well put KT. It's turned into a misguided hippie event with a hidden agenda

RE*AC*TOR

Carnival of resistance against the G8?

I think they are diluting their message by lumbering in the G8 issue with the above mentioned, "its a party celebrating the reclaiming of public property that is been taken by commercial shops and juggernaught trucks owned by corporations. if u dont own a car then you have no right to use the roads."

While I would have a predispostion to sympathy for left-wing causes and protests I don't see this having any real cause or purpose.

motrocco

It's not about causing trouble. It's about having a street party.

Been to the last couple and apart from some riotious police and one or two hardcore whiskey drinking anarks there was no problem. Great night had in various pubs after the demo.

Really has to be seen to believed. And it's free. (well admission is, beer, no)

come along and enjoy, don't mind the scare mongers.

po0k

Enjoy having a shower of scallies causing mischief and distress.

Eoghan-psych

thiscityburns wrote:

www.dissenteire.tk

Can someone please fill me in on who the streets are to be reclaimed *from* and *for*, given that the Irish people own the streets already.

From what I have seen it is nothing more than an excuse to cause trouble.

And before someone jumps on the "you're a conservative blah blah blah" line, I'm not a conservative by any stretch of the imagination.

almostagassi

whiskeyman wrote:

yeah u do - if you have a bike.... or use public transport.
And besides.... use the footpath!

that is such a clever reply. you must be top of the class. you must have a master in politics. isnt capalism great? your so smart

i suppose we can eat cake if there is no bread.


what if you dont own a bike and even if you do, cycling on the roads with increased numbe of mcvs is a death trap. the roads cover about 80% of the street while the footpath 20%. isnt it so comfortable trying to walk down o'connell street

and its great in our equal society, that there are as many buses as commercial and private vehicles on the roads.

Eoghan-psych

s8n wrote:

well put KT. It's turned into a misguided hippie event with a hidden agenda

Precisely.

If the farmers can bring vast swathes of the country's road network to a grinding halt to protest *their* concerns, and *no* trouble ensues I think it more than fair to call RTS "misguided" - and that's being charitable.

RE*AC*TOR

Here's one question:

What do the RTS people actaully want?

Ultimately - what is it? What's the endgame goal?

almostagassi

why do people equate a street party with "causing trouble"? stereotyping?

are you giving the dog a bad name?

Eoghan-psych

almostagassi wrote:

why do people equate a street party with "causing trouble"? stereotyping?

are you giving the dog a bad name?

Nope, just looking at what happened the last time the dog sat on the couch.

Street parties don't require baton charges.

almostagassi

RE*AC*TOR wrote:

Here's one question:

What do the RTS people actaully want?

Ultimately - what is it? What's the endgame goal?

For me, and i do not speak for the reclaim the streets at an official level, its about creating awareness of dissent at grass roots level. public resourses and civil liberties are being erroded for the benefit of wealthy minorities and commercial services.

so for one day a year, people of ireland who would not normally be allowed on to public property can enjoy it too.

Eoghan-psych

almostagassi wrote:

For me, and i do not speak for the reclaim the streets at an official level, its about creating awareness of dissent at grass roots level. public resourses and civil liberties are being erroded for the benefit of wealthy minorities and commercial services.

so for one day a year, people of ireland who would not normally be allowed on to public property can enjoy it too.

Dissent from *what*? Awareness of *what*? What public resources or civil liberties are being eroded?

almostagassi

Eoghan-psych wrote:

Nope, just looking at what happened the last time the dog sat on the couch.

Street parties don't require baton charges.

did the protestors in tianamenen square 1989 needed to be shot dead?


and the street party in 2002 did not require a batton charge. only the Gardai were tried with assault and assault causing harm. no partisipants were on trial for public disorder or assault.

there is a prejudice, which has no place in any society that large groups of people playing loud music would cause trouble.

the gardai did not like this so they had whats know as an "agent provocatuer" to stir some trouble. this is an undercover guard that incites and procures other people to attack the guards ie entrapment, and once one or two people attack the guards, that would give the guards reasonable cause to believe there is a likelihood of an immediate riot, which entitles them to use as much force as they think is necessary which is by battons. the guards know that they are answerable to no-one

the media like to sensastionalise the story to get a better audience. and people who were not there end up with what a believe a biosed opinion.

most of the partisipants in the reclaim the streets are university students that represent civil liberties.

RE*AC*TOR

First off - thanks for taking time to answer the question.

You want to create awareness, but to what end? Surely not for people to carry on in their humdrum, worker-bee lives. Obviously some form of socio-political change is your goal - but what exactly is that? Do you know?

Guy:Incognito

almostagassi wrote:

so for one day a year, people of ireland who would not normally be allowed on to public property can enjoy it too.

Just because you decide that on one day of the year you can run around the roads, doesnt make it true, or legal.


I think they should organise a leg of the WRC championship around Town on Mayday.

That'll fix dem hippies.

Guy:Incognito

almostagassi wrote:

did the protestors in tianamenen square 1989 needed to be shot dead?.

Hardly the same thing. Go live in a dictatorship for 20 years, then you might have a reason to protest.

Guy:Incognito

almostagassi wrote:

the gardai did not like this so they had whats know as an "agent provocatuer" to stir some trouble. this is an undercover guard that incites and procures other people to attack the guards ie entrapment, and once one or two people attack the guards, that would give the guards reasonable cause to believe there is a likelihood of an immediate riot, which entitles them to use as much force as they think is necessary which is by battons. the guards know that they are answerable to no-one.

Well, if it's on the internet........................

RE*AC*TOR

Stekelly wrote:

Well, if it's on the internet........................

3 posts in a row - do you know how to use the "edit" button?

LFCFan

What has reclaiming the streets got to do with G8? Maybe Reclaim the streets is a bad way to describe what it's about? If it's about anti globalisation then why not say that. Saying it's about reclaiming the streets will only confuse those who don't know what's going on.

lordgoat

RE*AC*TOR wrote:

3 posts in a row - do you know how to use the "edit" button?

he was re-claiming the thread!

Almost agassi went:
did the protestors in tianamenen square 1989 needed to be shot dead?

do you really feel that you are in the same position that walking down o connell streeet makes you feel like that - grow up,

and again i'd love to know who the streets need re-claiming from... and what will be done once they are re-claimed???

pollyantic

Its just about a buch of gob****es looking for a cause.
They'll grow out of it as soon as they get jobs.

Drummer

almostagassi wrote:

For me, and i do not speak for the reclaim the streets at an official level, its about creating awareness of dissent at grass roots level. public resourses and civil liberties are being erroded for the benefit of wealthy minorities and commercial services.

so for one day a year, people of ireland who would not normally be allowed on to public property can enjoy it too.

What people in Ireland do not normally have access to public property ? Those in prison are the only ones that jump to mind. Everyone has access to public property.

I am all up for protesting peacefully and voicing your opinion, but preventing people from going about their daily business is wrong. I haven't driven in about 6mths, but if i did and you tried to stop me going down College Green or any other public highway, i'd mow you down. I also drove motorcycles for 5 years, would try to prevent motorcycles passing through. If you tried, you could be in danger of knocking me off my bike, in which case you would me destined for a worse fate than being mown down by a car.

As for commercial trucks and other vehicles on the roads - they pay taxes and are therefore enitile to use the roads. Bear in mind, that they pay taxes relevant to the size of and how many vehicle they have on the road.

You students are just lazy bums - go find something positive to contribute to society.

Hi K_T !!!

almostagassi

RE*AC*TOR wrote:

You want to create awareness, but to what end? Surely not for people to carry on in their humdrum, worker-bee lives. Obviously some form of socio-political change is your goal - but what exactly is that? Do you know?

to change it to a system where people have a say in how the government works, where the government are accountable. i could describe my social paradise but it would take too long. if you check out indymedia.ie or the weekly magazine The Village, you will see the problems.


we cant change the bureaucratic entrenshed system over night, but we want a shift to the left (the pds are pushing pro corporation policy). plus we are not going to be so arrogant to inflict our pre conceived socio-political goal on the people, let people make an informed choice

i think you summed it up with the "worker bees lives". people should be more aware of the government decisions that have come about because of undemocratic lobbying and not by the decisions of the people

why did Bertie allow US aircraft to land in Shannon
Why did the The Minister for the Enviornment dermot ahern give in to the lobbying of the ambassador of US to prevent the taxation of chewing gum.

I see it as an expression of the will of the people on mayday. we are not merely worker bees and shopping centre consumers.

we want to have a party, its not an extreme ideological demonstration. we shouldnt need to be advocating a socio poltical goal in order to be allowed have a party. since we dont own large amounts of land, how do you expect us to have a party. so if you dont have land, or money to go to oxygen, you are not allowed to have a party?

to the farmers protesting issue. the government are scared of the Irish Farmers Assosiation because of their voting power and de facto power. plus its seems more politically correct to protest about your wages than a political ideal. your average joe will not be sympathetic to a student protestor but a farmer is held in high regard. plus alot of anarcists and students dont vote.

Chalk

why cant you have it in stephens green or the phoenix park?

theres loads of space there.

almostagassi

Drummer wrote:

What people in Ireland do not normally have access to public property ? Those in prison are the only ones that jump to mind. Everyone has access to public property.

I am all up for protesting peacefully and voicing your opinion, but preventing people from going about their daily business is wrong. I haven't driven in about 6mths, but if i did and you tried to stop me going down College Green or any other public highway, i'd mow you down. I also drove motorcycles for 5 years, would try to prevent motorcycles passing through. If you tried, you could be in danger of knocking me off my bike, in which case you would me destined for a worse fate than being mown down by a car.

As for commercial trucks and other vehicles on the roads - they pay taxes and are therefore enitile to use the roads. Bear in mind, that they pay taxes relevant to the size of and how many vehicle they have on the road.

You students are just lazy bums - go find something positive to contribute to society.

Hi K_T !!!

"If you tried, you could be in danger of knocking me off my bike, in which case you would me destined for a worse fate than being mown down by a car." are you threatening me?

so if you dont have the money to pay road taxes, you shouldnt be able to use public property. i have no problem letting yoy travel down college green, but do cars allow pedestrians.

people who dont celebrate RTS still expect to drive through it. yet i dont celebrate st patricks day, and yet i cant drive through the city.


your status quo society is not what we want so we are not going to contribute to it the way you want us to.

LFCFan

exactly. if it's about having a party on public property then there's no better place Why should we have the right to have a party in the middle of a road? The roads were built for cars/lorries/buses etc etc so why should there be a problem with them using the roads? If there were no vehicles there'd be no roads. I don't get why we have to 'Reclaim' something that only exists because of vehicles????

almostagassi

Chalk wrote:

why cant you have it in stephens green or the phoenix park?

theres loads of space there.

the park rangers would call the guards claiming loittering. we will have some of it in st stephens green, but its too small.

ps why should we be restricted to parks. some public property only to be used by the elite

LFCFan

almostagassi wrote:

some public property only to be used by the elite

What public property can only be used by the 'Elite'?

almostagassi

Stekelly wrote:

I think they should organise a leg of the WRC championship around Town on Mayday.

That'll fix dem hippies.

wrc = world rally championship? the difference is that having a party is not dangerous to others and thus respects article 42. you couldnt say the same for a wrc.

this whole derrogatory "hippies" and "lazy students" is not productive and reminds me of the ignorance in 50's USA where people who didnt understand the negroes and branded them lazy. generalising and stereotyping,

if you have never been to such a party or been around partisipants, then i dont think you can condemn

almostagassi

LFCFan wrote:

What public property can only be used by the 'Elite'?

people that own cars and trucks, please read above entrys to follow the argument

RE*AC*TOR

Chalk wrote:

why cant you have it in stephens green or the phoenix park?

theres loads of space there.

That strikes me as a little predefined by the government. It would be like a play-pen for a demonstration.

@almostagassi

while I agree with many of your points and your preference for a political shift to the left, I still don't think this type of demonstration will ever curry much favour with the Irish people. I think a lot of people will just take the opinion that you are a bunch of losers (for want of a better word). Like it or not, many people see you (by "you" I mean RTS participants) as a slightly menacing presence. I would say that in the absence of getting a clear, rational message across to the general public (which I don't think you have succeeded in) you are wasting your time.

LFCFan

almostagassi wrote:

people that own cars and trucks, please read above entrys to follow the argument

I just wanted you to confirm that you think people who own vehices are 'Elite'. I have never heard such bullsh1t in all my life. How can owning a car make you elite? Seriously! Anyway, motorists are the most heavily taxed section in Ireland. Not only does our taxes pay for the roads but it pays for a lot of other things too. Like I said before. If it weren't for road going vehicles there would be NO roads. Pedestrians use roads everyday to cross to the other side so tell me how they can't use them? If you want to have parties etc there are plenty of fields in Ireland. If there were no roads etc, then all we'd have are fields so why not leave the roads to the road users??

Chalk

ahh sure they were giving out a while back when they couldnt protest in the park.

no pleasin some

Eoghan-psych

Drummer wrote:

You students are just lazy bums - go find something positive to contribute to society.

Ahem.

As a student, I must defend my species. I don't know a single student who thinks this RTS nonsense is anything other than a joke.

Without exception, the sentiment is "reclaim the streets from *who*, and for *what*?".

These people do not represent students. They don't represent the Irish population. They don't, as far as I can ascertain, represent *anything*.

LFCFan

Eoghan-psych wrote:

As a student, I must defend my species.

As an Ex Student I can honestly say that many students are lazy bums It's part of the job description. We'd be letting society down if we didn't live up to some of the 'student' tag

Eoghan-psych

almostagassi wrote:

people that own cars and trucks, please read above entrys to follow the argument

You mean "public roads". Not "public property".

It's sort of like the way that only aircraft can use airport runways, and only boats can travel on water, and only spaceships can go into space. Roads are *for* cars and trucks. That is why roads are built, and why they are maintained.

If this is the RTS position, it's even more flaccid and vacuous than I thought.

lordgoat

Eoghan-psych wrote:

Ahem.

As a student, I must defend my species. I don't know a single student who thinks this RTS nonsense is anything other than a joke.

Without exception, the sentiment is "reclaim the streets from *who*, and for *what*?".

These people do not represent students. They don't represent the Irish population. They don't, as far as I can ascertain, represent *anything*.






You mean "public roads". Not "public property".

It's sort of like the way that only aircraft can use airport runways, and only boats can travel on water, and only spaceships can go into space. Roads are *for* cars and trucks. That is why roads are built, and why they are maintained.

If this is the RTS position, it's even more flaccid and vacuous than I thought.

two telling posts, i agree and i agree