Skate Boarding a Extreme Sport ?????

fibbo

Hi Guys,
Sorry I gotta ask this but I do. How on Earth is skate boarding a extreme Sport. WHITE-WATER RAFTING YES, base jumping Yes,Iron men competions Yes, But skateboarding No!!!. Should all the boarding stuff not be in another forum

Mimikyu

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shagman

I agree it's neither extreme nor a sport. Extreme to me is something where there is a high risk of death eg:base jumping. Calling skateboarding BMX etc extreme is not something that came from within but is a marketing label used to sell more soft drinks, shaving gel, bog roll whatever. All it does is sell crap to kids and push insurance prices up. If skateboarding is extreme why does it have less hospital admissions per 100 participants than soccer or basketball. Is soccer super-extreme then!!!????
And to lump skateboarding snowboarding, surfing, BMX in with other sports is demeaning. Sport these days has degenerated into a minority of overpaid ponces watched by fat layabouts......Soap Opera for men.

fibbo

I agree completley. would Solidarty666, whos moinker pretty much sums up the mentality of boarders[ were a bit mad arnt we adolesents] like to rebuke and explain how skate boarding in more extreme then say Formation sky diving

Mimikyu

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fibbo

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Well for starters what is so extreme about skate boarding to warrent the name extreme i cant see it. where is the element of danger or detemination. Skate boarding dosent exactly require the grulling months of training or mental stamina of say a tri atlon or even a maraton. But may be i may lack perspective. Maybe you can give me a few pointers

shagman

One concession a certain mister D. Way.
Maybe what Danny Way does could be described as extreme (he is gonna jump the great wall of china) but for 99% of us it's a cruisy hang out with your mates try a few tricks kinda thing.

The "extreme" thing is a marketing tool and nothing more. It works because for most people in society what we do is extreme.
For them..... turning off eastenders ,cooking real food, not drinking till they puke, going on holidays to somewhere other than costa del kippo, actually playing football instead of watching it on telly/ talking about it over 9 pints, actually living your own life rather than living vicariously through celebrities and sports stars... is seen as extreme.

As society gets lazier the middleground becomes the extreme.
It's not that we are gifted athletes dedicating our lives to extreme sports, it's that the rest of society are useless, lazy, vicariously living layabouts dedicating their lives to repaying the mortgage, drink, curry special , eastenders and the new Man U kit!

Rant not over merely begun.

smois

shagman wrote:

One concession a certain mister D. Way.
Maybe what Danny Way does could be described as extreme (he is gonna jump the great wall of china) but for 99% of us it's a cruisy hang out with your mates try a few tricks kinda thing.

The "extreme" thing is a marketing tool and nothing more. It works because for most people in society what we do is extreme.
For them..... turning off eastenders ,cooking real food, not drinking till they puke, going on holidays to somewhere other than costa del kippo, actually playing football instead of watching it on telly/ talking about it over 9 pints, actually living your own life rather than living vicariously through celebrities and sports stars... is seen as extreme.

As society gets lazier the middleground becomes the extreme.
It's not that we are gifted athletes dedicating our lives to extreme sports, it's that the rest of society are useless, lazy, vicariously living layabouts dedicating their lives to repaying the mortgage, drink, curry special , eastenders and the new Man U kit!

Rant not over merely begun.

yeah wat he said :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

fibbo

As society gets lazier the middleground becomes the extreme.
It's not that we are gifted athletes dedicating our lives to extreme sports, it's that the rest of society are useless, lazy, vicariously living layabouts dedicating their lives to repaying the mortgage, drink, curry special , eastenders and the new Man U kit!



I ont really think this can be justified as extreme except as you pointed out fot the exception of the china dude. I think to be extreme one me at the very pinicale of there abilities to give 110 and to justifey there exsistance as a physical manifastation of ther sport steve redgrave and Paula redcalfe being prime examples. I think its great that you and your mates have someething you can do just to kick back and relax. But i dont think it is either physically or mentally challenge enough to be described as EXTREME. A typical footballer excert themselfs to a greater physical degree in 90 minutes then a skateboarded would in a month of sundays.

I Just hate the "Anti Corperate" Corperate rebranding

smois

fibbo wrote:

As society gets lazier the middleground becomes the extreme.
It's not that we are gifted athletes dedicating our lives to extreme sports, it's that the rest of society are useless, lazy, vicariously living layabouts dedicating their lives to repaying the mortgage, drink, curry special , eastenders and the new Man U kit!



I ont really think this can be justified as extreme except as you pointed out fot the exception of the china dude. I think to be extreme one me at the very pinicale of there abilities to give 110 and to justifey there exsistance as a physical manifastation of ther sport steve redgrave and Paula redcalfe being prime examples. I think its great that you and your mates have someething you can do just to kick back and relax. But i dont think it is either physically or mentally challenge enough to be described as EXTREME. A typical footballer excert themselfs to a greater physical degree in 90 minutes then a skateboarded would in a month of sundays.

I Just hate the "Anti Corperate" Corperate rebranding

ure talking threw ure arse... are u trying to get urself banned from this forun too.... :mad:

fibbo

smois wrote:

ure talking threw ure arse... are u trying to get urself banned from this forun too.... :mad:

In what way am i talking tru my rectum

smois

cause u compare a month sundays skating to a 90 minute game of football... i dont know wat ure talkin bout..

fibbo

How old are you. Iam 35 i work in Marketing for a very large company of whom you and your friends are more then likely already a customer. You are my target audience and we brand items "anti corperate". Your being exsploited. Iam trying to open yours eyes. Iam the one exploiting you and i cant stand my job anymore. Thats why i got annoyed with 666 earlier and made a personal attack for which id like to apologise for. As for barring go a head. But id much prefer to hear your toughts on the subject. Especially 666 thought on what makes skateboarding So extrerm.

How many calories do you burn "boarding". The differnce in physical exserion is staggering

smois

its not an extreme sport as such but its more of a title like the way u have ball sports orwater sports....well i think so????

fibbo

smois wrote:

its not an extreme sport as such but its more of a title like the way u have ball sports orwater sports....well i think so????

Thats cool. Iam glad you have no problem questioning the things unlike other people unlike others who blindly accept. Still waiting on those reasons. good for you

Mimikyu

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TacT

Maybe we should rename this forum to the alternative sports forum folks? Everyone getting a little carried away perhaps?

Skateboarding is very physical and the buckets of sweat come off me during a session -- it depends how you approach it, just like anything else -- you can walk around a tennis/squash court if you really want to as well, or you can chase down every ball with every last ounce of energy you have. You can cruise around like mellow yellow all day long or you can go at it like a bat out of hell. Dunno about the rest of you but I think that jumping down 10+stair handrails with nothing strapped to your feet takes more than a little effort and balls to do -- completely different from snowboarding/skydiving/base jumping etc but still in the same vein -- danger is present, LOTS OF IT -- giving you an end result of a big adrenaline rush when you pull something off and avoid certain dangers.

Everyone in the thread attempting to say it isn't extreme -- I would slightly agree but that depends on the individual and their approach to it. I've done some pretty crazy and dangerous things on my skateboard, broken two ankles and recovered from both surgeries. I still have a big long screw in my bedroom to remind me of when I was a fearless, crazy 'I'll jump off of anything with my board kid' and pray I survived the outcome and get my rush.

It does require effort and if you don't skate personally I request you kindly pipe down in the back row please. It takes up as much of my energy as other sports I've tried in the past -- tennis/squash/footy/rugby included considering the effort that I put in and most importantly the time I put in.

I used to go windsurfing for 5+ hours when the wind allowed it and I do the same with my skateboard when I'm enjoying it a lot too. The end result is the same -- at the end of the day I am absolutely shattered and aching with pain from the effort that I put in during the day, don't try and tell me otherwise because you are in marketing.

I dare you to survive two hours of pumping a vert ramp without your stomach muscles starting to seize up on you and you have trouble getting up from your lying down position the next morning -- skating requires a lot of effort depending on what you're doing and for me is just as physical as many of my other endeavours past and present.

Since this got started here's my 2c worth anyway, I would be more inclined to call my spearfishing extreme before my skateboarding but big marketing says otherwise!

TacT

smois wrote:

ure talking threw ure arse... are u trying to get urself banned from this forun too.... :mad:

who died and made you moderator? :rolleyes:

Mimikyu

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shagman

How old are you. Iam 35 i work in Marketing for a very large company of whom you and your friends are more then likely already a customer. You are my target audience and we brand items "anti corperate". Your being exsploited. Iam trying to open yours eyes. Iam the one exploiting you and i cant stand my job anymore. Thats why i got annoyed with 666 earlier and made a personal attack for which id like to apologise for. As for barring go a head. But id much prefer to hear your toughts on the subject. Especially 666 thought on what makes skateboarding So extrerm.

Fibbo I too am 35 and have been skateboarding since the mid 80s, long before skateboarding was branded and co-opted by multinational junk pushers (that means you and your cronies). Glad to hear you can't stand your job anymore thats called a conscience.
I skate now for the same reasons I skated then, because it's fun. This is why we skate , not because of advertising but despite it. As you work in marketing I'm sure you can appreciate that all these big dollars are not being spent to lure actual skaters (a small minority market) but to persuade people who would like to be skaters but can't be arsed.These ads try to convince them that they too can aquire "ownership" of the skaters lifestyle by buying company X's brand new artificial flavoured e-number riddled toothrot pishwater.

I ont really think this can be justified as extreme except as you pointed out fot the exception of the china dude. I think to be extreme one me at the very pinicale of there abilities to give 110 and to justifey there exsistance as a physical manifastation of ther sport steve redgrave and Paula redcalfe being prime examples. I think its great that you and your mates have someething you can do just to kick back and relax. But i dont think it is either physically or mentally challenge enough to be described as EXTREME. A typical footballer excert themselfs to a greater physical degree in 90 minutes then a skateboarded would in a month of sundays.

I presume Steve Redgrave and Paula Redcalfe are soccer players, believe it or not I actually do respect people who actually PLAY football. But how many fat blokes do you know that do nothing but talk about football and would drop dead if they had to play more than 5 minutes of the game?? I bet xxl is a fairly popular size in footy shirts eh! Now it's not that I hate fat people it's that I'm sick of pretenders. Wannabes who want to be associated with a sport or lifestyle but won't get off their arse to actually put some effort in. Skangers in footy tops or poseurs in skate gear they are as bad as each other. It's living through media and not experience. And you are as you have realised part of the disease ... go home and start looking though the employment section before you grow a second head. (How to get ahead in advertising, staring Richard E Grant great film).

Oh and you statements regarding physical exertion football vs skating are based on assumptions and are simply wrong. If you compare like for like professional vs professional , sunday kickabout vs saturday streetskate then it's all about equal oh except correct me if I'm wrong but footballers don't drop 10ft to the ground and break their collarbones when they miss a shot, do they?

TacT

shagman wrote:

Fibbo I too am 35 and have been skateboarding since the mid 80s, long before skateboarding was branded and co-opted by multinational junk pushers (that means you and your cronies). Glad to hear you can't stand your job anymore thats called a conscience.
I skate now for the same reasons I skated then, because it's fun. This is why we skate , not because of advertising but despite it. As you work in marketing I'm sure you can appreciate that all these big dollars are not being spent to lure actual skaters (a small minority market) but to persuade people who would like to be skaters but can't be arsed.These ads try to convince them that they too can aquire "ownership" of the skaters lifestyle by buying company X's brand new artificial flavoured e-number riddled toothrot pishwater.


I presume Steve Redgrave and Paula Redcalfe are soccer players, believe it or not I actually do respect people who actually PLAY football. But how many fat blokes do you know that do nothing but talk about football and would drop dead if they had to play more than 5 minutes of the game?? I bet xxl is a fairly popular size in footy shirts eh! Now it's not that I hate fat people it's that I'm sick of pretenders. Wannabes who want to be associated with a sport or lifestyle but won't get off their arse to actually put some effort in. Skangers in footy tops or poseurs in skate gear they are as bad as each other. It's living through media and not experience. And you are as you have realised part of the disease ... go home and start looking though the employment section before you grow a second head. (How to get ahead in advertising, staring Richard E Grant great film).

Oh and you statements regarding physical exertion football vs skating are based on assumptions and are simply wrong. If you compare like for like professional vs professional , sunday kickabout vs saturday streetskate then it's all about equal oh except correct me if I'm wrong but footballers don't drop 10ft to the ground and break their collarbones when they miss a shot, do they?

oops -- hit edit instead of quote the first time

Talk about layin the smack down, well said!

Enduro

Its a good defence of skateboarding, but its not a good argument as to why skateboarding should be considered "extreme". I've no arguments about the fact that skatebording is fun, takes a lot of skill to do well, and has a high risk of minor injury (Broken limbs, collarbones etc are only minor injuries in the real world at an A&E department)

The thing that really needs to be established is what do we mean when we describe a sport as "extreme".

Is it that
(a) It requires extremely high levels of physical fitness
(b) It requires extremely high levels of specialised skill/natural talent
(c) Only an extremely small proportion of the population have the natural ability / talent to even take part in the sport
(d) There is an extremely high risk of getting injured
(e) There is an extremely high risk of getting seriously injured
(f) There is an extremely high risk of death

As compared to other sports, skateboarding only compares well in (b) and (d), and even then, not outstandingly so.

To my mind an exteme sport is something that rank highly in some combination of (a) (b) (c) (e) and especially (f).

Examples (not exhaustive), with capital letters for areas where they are very extreme:
Base Jumping (c) (e) (F)
Downhill/Freeride mountain biking (a) (b) (D)
Freestyle Skiing/Snowboarding (a) (B) (D) (e)
top level Mountaineering and rock climbing (A) (B) (D) (E) (f)
Adventure Racing (A) (b) (C) (d)
Ultra running (A) (C)
Powerboat racing (a) (b) (e) (F)

And they're just a few off the top of my head. What they all have in common is they all seem to me to be way more "extreme" than skateboarding. I really can't see any reason for it to be called extreme.

fibbo

Enduro wrote:

Its a good defence of skateboarding, but its not a good argument as to why skateboarding should be considered "extreme". I've no arguments about the fact that skatebording is fun, takes a lot of skill to do well, and has a high risk of minor injury (Broken limbs, collarbones etc are only minor injuries in the real world at an A&E department)

The thing that really needs to be established is what do we mean when we describe a sport as "extreme".

Is it that
(a) It requires extremely high levels of physical fitness
(b) It requires extremely high levels of specialised skill/natural talent
(c) Only an extremely small proportion of the population have the natural ability / talent to even take part in the sport
(d) There is an extremely high risk of getting injured
(e) There is an extremely high risk of getting seriously injured
(f) There is an extremely high risk of death

As compared to other sports, skateboarding only compares well in (b) and (d), and even then, not outstandingly so.

To my mind an exteme sport is something that rank highly in some combination of (a) (b) (c) (e) and especially (f).

Examples (not exhaustive), with capital letters for areas where they are very extreme:
Base Jumping (c) (e) (F)
Downhill/Freeride mountain biking (a) (b) (D)
Freestyle Skiing/Snowboarding (a) (B) (D) (e)
top level Mountaineering and rock climbing (A) (B) (D) (E) (f)
Adventure Racing (A) (b) (C) (d)
Ultra running (A) (C)
Powerboat racing (a) (b) (e) (F)

And they're just a few off the top of my head. What they all have in common is they all seem to me to be way more "extreme" than skateboarding. I really can't see any reason for it to be called extreme.

Exactly

TacT

ok, skateboarding is not an extreme sport! Are you pedantic ole bints finished nattering yet so we can go drink tea and eat muffins?

I'm going to request a renaming of this forum to the alternative sports forum soon.......

Enduro

But what does "alternative" mean? Alternative to what?

(Hungry now, where are those muffins....)

TacT

alternative to the bread and butter sports that get rammed down your throat as a child, such as soccer, hurling, tennis, rugby, hockey, badminton -- would not be what I'd call 'alternative' but more mainstream sports

hmm, about those muffins...

Mimikyu

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shagman

I don't find the terms boardsports or bikesports too offensive actually apart from the sport tag but thats kinda inescapable. Linking skating to surfing and snowboarding makes sense linking it to mountaineering, base jumping or extreme golf (I kid you not) is just more ad-men status anxiety engineering consumerism manipulation. ......ie a pile a w&nk! Resist the behometh of cultural consumer homoginisation ....and eh ......turn off the telly. Who the hell came up with the extreme tag anyway, pepsi?

TacT

shagman wrote:

I don't find the terms boardsports or bikesports too offensive actually apart from the sport tag but thats kinda inescapable. Linking skating to surfing and snowboarding makes sense linking it to mountaineering, base jumping or extreme golf (I kid you not) is just more ad-men status anxiety engineering consumerism manipulation. ......ie a pile a w&nk! Resist the behometh of cultural consumer homoginisation ....and eh ......turn off the telly. Who the hell came up with the extreme tag anyway, pepsi?

pepsi or sprite -- definitely

fibbo

Pepsi came up the extreme rebrand in the Early to Mid 90s to launch Pepsi Max. Effectivley everything we have seen since then from Jackass to CWK has spawned from that ad campain. Well don Pepsi

fibbo

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I presume Steve Redgrave and Paula Redcalfe are soccer players, believe it or not I actually do respect people who actually PLAY football. But how many fat blokes do you know that do nothing but talk about football and would drop dead if they had to play more than 5 minutes of the game?? I bet xxl is a fairly popular size in footy shirts eh! Now it's not that I hate fat people it's that I'm sick of pretenders. Wannabes who want to be associated with a sport or lifestyle but won't get off their arse to actually put some effort in. Skangers in footy tops or poseurs in skate gear they are as bad as each other. It's living through media and not experience. And you are as you have realised part of the disease ... go home and start looking though the employment section before you grow a second head. (How to get ahead in advertising, staring Richard E Grant great film).






I vejust read this post properly Shagman and i am astonded that you dont know who either Steve Redgrave or Paula Radcliffe are. Steve Redgrave is a four time olympic rower. Who has set numerous world records in rowing and as it happens is also Diabetic. Paula Radcliffe is a world renowned Marathon runner who has smashed Marathon times across the globe