creatine

lateasever

ok whats up with creatine? is it safe? is it true that it fu*ks up your repro. system? does anyone even know if theres other negative health effects?

if you gain muscle with creatine, isnt it only fake muscle because of the excess water, and if you stop taking it, wont you lose the muscle again?

Mr E

Have a read of this: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=193824

pwd

there are loads and loads of threads about this already. search for them.
And no to all your questions, although you will probably gain a couple of kilograms of retained fluid, if used properly as part of good routine you will gain plenty of muscle as well. real muscle too none of your cheap american imported ****.
It only messes up your reproduction system if get some that is mixed with oestrogen. If you take it mixed with oestrogen you grow boobies. I've never heard of it being mixed with oestrogen though.

Transform

Please no more on dam creatine!!

This has been covered to death

Going to have a great article on optimal body fat burning heart rate zones though, soooon!

RonanC

pwd wrote:

It only messes up your reproduction system if get some that is mixed with oestrogen. If you take it mixed with oestrogen you grow boobies. I've never heard of it being mixed with oestrogen though.

That's like saying cheese will mess up your reproductive system..........Only if you mix it with oestrogen though.

Pretty big leap of faith you're trying to make.

Chucky the tree

how making a creatine thread a sticky?

Funkstard

No it doesn't do any of the myths you think it does, it gives you the energy & extra strength to work harder and gain muscle, so it's in no way 'fake' muscle you'll be gaining. You do appear to look 'fuller' when on it because of increased water retention to the muscles, and that is what goes away when you stop taking it.

Just be sure to drink alot of water as your kidneys will have a hard time sorting through it on it's own.

Easygainer

RonanC wrote:

That's like saying cheese will mess up your reproductive system..........Only if you mix it with oestrogen though.

Pretty big leap of faith you're trying to make.

I think he's being ironic

dawballz

I've used creatine before for about 6 months. If taken correctly it DOES help.
1. It makes you bigger(Obviously with lots of training too). Fact.
2. It helps your endurance in the gym. I have first hand experience of this and whether it was just a placebo or not, I could feel myself wanting to stay in the gym to get that last full set, not thinking negatively and saying "ah sher i'll leave it"
3. You need to drink a lot of water with it. Creatine makes(/helps?) the body retain water and that is where you get bigger. Essentially your muscles are retaining more water than normal.
4. You realy couldnt just take creatine without any protein post-workout.
5. NEVER take more than recommended.
6. Creatine hasn't been around long enough for any long term (side) effects to be discovered, and for this reason (and pure laziness), I don't take it any more.

uum

dawballz wrote:

6. Creatine hasn't been around long enough for any long term (side) effects to be discovered, and for this reason (and pure laziness), I don't take it any more.

is 182 years long enough?

Funkstard

I thought the benefits of creatine were discovered in the 30's?

uum

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/creatine.html
I love hearing ppl's hypotheses on things...

dawballz

Discovered in 1832.
I'm pretty sure they didn't know everything about creatine straight away when they discovered it, so you can subtract about 100 years from your 182.

the first real use of it to enhance performance was the 1992 Olympic games

So they weren't really using it in the same context we are talking about here until 1992.

I'm presuming here "real use" means taking creatine as someone who wants to enhance performance, so from this, creatine hasnt been used to enhance performance until the 1990's.

Although scientists have known about it for about 160 years, studies on it have have just started to be done....
...Since studies on creatine loading have only been going on for less than a decade, it is still unknown what long term effects the extra creatine will have

http://www.zapsgym.com/resources/creatine.htm


and here....

....The NCAA recently banned the distribution of creatine by college's to their athletes "because of the lack of long-term studies on possible side effects (6)." They claim that since creatine is a relatively new supplement there is no way to tell whether or not it has any long-term side effects..........
Steven Scott Plisk, director of sports conditioning at Yale University says, "it has been used in the United Kingdom since the early 1980's without any problems.

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/layne22.htm

Do you think 20 odd years is enough? I don't.

Even after all this, I still don't oppose the use of creatine, as I have said above, it DOES work.

uum

Mate you said creatine hasnt been around long enough. It has been around a long time. thats all.

roberteboot

Funkstard wrote:

I thought the benefits of creatine were discovered in the 30's?

So this is Funkstards hypothesis.And your article completely backs him up.Despite the fact that you were pretty patronising to him.Although it says 1926.Still close enough.

Everyone consistently using creatine is making HUGE, AMAZING gains!

Its a very scientific and professional article though.Clearly.