National day of mourning

mad m

Well what do you all think,should there be a day of mourning due to the Pope dying?What do you think.Bertie said there is going to be none while some countries are having more than one day of mourning.

Yay or Nay

Mimikyu

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Kimbot

yes but not to get off work but to honour the pope. alot of people seem to want to just get time off work and although I am not religious I think it is sad and I would pray for him.

aidan_walsh

And along comes the "Day Off Work\School Brigade"...

I'm not saying that a day of mourning should be ruled out, or that its a bad idea, just likely that a lot of people would vote yes for reasons other than mourning...

billy the squid

Next sunday would be the right day to have it if it were to be declared, which by the way it is not as it has been ruled out at this stage.

It would still be within the vatican's nine days of mourning period and and there wouldnt be accusations that people were looking for just the day off.

Dinner

Yeah I'd agree with it on Sunday.

I'd rather not have it during the week and just used as an excuse for a lie on.

bassey

i know this is probably a bad thing to say but, i have no religious beleifs so i dont really care he's dead

JBoyle4eva

Consider this:
9/11: Within 12 hours of this happening, Bertie announces a day of mourning

Pope's death: No day of mourning, but we'll pariticipate in all events and have the flags @ state buildings at half mast.

THERE SHOULD BE A DAY OF MOURNING!

ApeXaviour

I move for a third "atari jaguar" option. It's necessary to highlight how many people are indifferent.

byte

JBoyle4eva: Yes, but the Pope is just one person. Many more died on 9/11 and it wasn't from old age.

samo

JBoyle4eva wrote:

Consider this:
9/11: Within 12 hours of this happening, Bertie announces a day of mourning

Pope's death: No day of mourning, but we'll pariticipate in all events and have the flags @ state buildings at half mast.

THERE SHOULD BE A DAY OF MOURNING!

Totally agree, the Pope came over to Ireland and at a very difficult time too and seeing as the Irish do have a stong affinity with him and we are a Catholic country by majority it would be the right thing to do.

Am very shocked though at Bertie's reasoning - and then again there wasnt a day of mourning for the Tsunami victims either.

Dr. Dre

Day off work? Yes please.

iguana

Oh come on! Not 10 days ago there were people here spueing bile because they couldn't buy drink on Good Friday. You can't have it both ways. In fairness, even if you are feeling a bit sad about the man you never met dying and you want to mourn for him and have a bit if a pray, it's not like you need a day off work.

When it suits us nearly everyone is sick of the influence the RC church has in our state affairs, but when we think we might gain something we whinge that it's influence isn't taken more seriously.

The post Sept 11 national day of mourning was ludicrous, so would a national day of mourning because of the pope. I like days off work just as much as anyone else but I'd rather an actual secular government. Next step; religious influence out of state schools and gay marraiges!! i can live in hope.

alleepally

How are these decisions come to anyway? Is it at a cabinet level or what?

Piste

The national day of mourning is mainly political. America has invested so much in Ireland so naturally the Taoiseach wanted to show Ireland's support for America by announcing a national day of mourning, keep 'em sweet.

dceire

bassey wrote:

i know this is probably a bad thing to say but, i have no religious beleifs so i dont really care he's dead

I know what you mean, its not that I don't care that he's dead but at the end of the day he's human and millions of people die all the time it happens to us all eventually. I too have little in the way of religious beliefs although I was raised a Catholic.

I think a national day of mourning is just a day off for allot of people including me so I think there’s no need, anyway not everyone has the same beliefs so why should the pope be singled out for a day of mourning?

limerick_man

JBoyle4eva wrote:

Consider this:
9/11: Within 12 hours of this happening, Bertie announces a day of mourning

Pope's death: No day of mourning, but we'll pariticipate in all events and have the flags @ state buildings at half mast.

Yeah, hey they should give us two days off now i think of it, we got nothing for the tsumaimi, oh 3 nothing for the Madrid Masacere thing, and we should get it for all those people who died in Iraq!

The Goverment owe us a week off (i just rounded it up), hell they get it off too!! lets start a petition!!!

Guy:Incognito

While I normally try to get as much time off work as possible, I dont think there should be a day of mourning, for the same reason as the pubs should.nt shut on good friday. The churchs influence on society should be reduced not increased. At the end of the day he's just a member of ONE particular religion, which at this stage is nothing more than a business, so why should the country shut down to mourn him.

tck

yeahhhh

day of mourning for the pope

we need a full day to show our respect

Crash

If there were to be a day of mourning i want national days of mourning to be retroactively instated for all previous martyrs of the catholic church.

in full, i want the next three years off :P

limerick_man

I would have to agree... even though i have the next three years and then my LC, who cares!!!

Piste

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ether

I don't think there should be a national day of mourning. I think the majority of us were touched and took a little bit of our time to think about him, if we get a day off are we all really going to go to mass and do our bit, somehow I doubt it.

Bri

Gummybearz!!! wrote:

Your ideas intrique me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.

ROFL.

No there shouldn't be a weekday taken off. Seeing as we're not all Catholic have it next Sunday with compulsary mass and follow-up calls by priests to those who don't show up.

Ah I remember the days!

jezza

No day off??
thats freaking scandelous.
we got the day off for 9/11... whats the difference with the pope and americans??
bertie Arhen is a hyprocryte.

Sangre

JBoyle4eva wrote:

Consider this:
9/11: Within 12 hours of this happening, Bertie announces a day of mourning

Pope's death: No day of mourning, but we'll pariticipate in all events and have the flags @ state buildings at half mast.

THERE SHOULD BE A DAY OF MOURNING!

Are you seriously comparing the murder of 3,000 people with the death of an 85 year old man?

StupidLikeAFox

ffs, mourn if ya want to mourn, call in sick or something, whats the big frickin deal

jezza

Sangre wrote:

Are you seriously comparing the murder of 3,000 people with the death of an 85 year old man?

what about the innocent POOR and already STARVING people that bush murdered in iraq?? and that bertie ahern hepled kill by letting them stop at shannon??

StupidLikeAFox

so bertie ahern helped kill people who are now poor and starving? ITS A MIRACLE!

Sangre

Did the people murdered in 9/11 murder these Iraqis?
No?
Then don't use the death of innocent people to spout your political agendas.

Time Magazine

Yeah, those poor bastards don't even deserve a democratic state.

www.bringbacksaddam.com

jezza

ColHol wrote:

so bertie ahern helped kill people who are now poor and starving? ITS A MIRACLE!

if he didnt allow them to stop at shannon then they might not have been a war.
i no 9/11 was tragic but t here is no difference between americans and iraqis. and im sure a lot more than 3000 iraqis were killed.
back on topic... the pope was one of the most important people in the world i think
Whats one day off?

Sangre

jezza wrote:

if he didnt allow them to stop at shannon then they might not have been a war.
i no 9/11 was tragic but t here is no difference between americans and iraqis. and im sure a lot more than 3000 iraqis were killed.
back on topic... the pope was one of the most important people in the world i think
Whats one day off?

Brain.....hurts.....oww.
1)Of course there would have been a war, theres not much difference between stopping at Shannon and stopping in England (an ally)
2)No, you DONT know how many Iraqis were killed so SHUT UP.
3)The pope is a man who has probably cost thousands of lives with his policies on contraception in an AIDS ravaged Africa.

jezza

Sangre wrote:

Brain.....hurts.....oww.
1)Of course there would have been a war, theres not much difference between stopping at Shannon and stopping in England (an ally)
2)No, you DONT know how many Iraqis were killed so SHUT UP.
3)The pope is a man who has probably cost thousands of lives with his policies on contraception in an AIDS ravaged Africa.

well then they should have kept going to england, ireland was/is supposed to be nuetural , doesnt seem very nuetral now does it??
2)shut up your self? why arent the iraqis as important as americans?? bush is just as bad as saddam hussain? does it not matter that americans wreck an already poor country? and dont say "its cos of the leader" because how many other countries have people like saddam? but bush doesnt bother with them because they dont have oil.

Banjo013

bassey wrote:

i know this is probably a bad thing to say but, i have no religious beleifs so i dont really care he's dead

I'm wondering what would motivate someone to say something like this ... after all the poll isn't about whether or not you care about the Pope being dead. This comment is totally disgusting.

I'd say no to a day of mourning. People tend to have their own private thoughts on things such as this and a whole day of thinking isn't required. Honestly I think it's regarded as an excuse for a day off for most people.

For the record I don't think there should have been a day of mourning for 9/11 either. That was nothing more than a political gesture towards the Americans by an Irish government that asks "how high ?" every time an American says jump.

RuggieBear

jezza wrote:

if he didnt allow them to stop at shannon then they might not have been a war....

WTF? Are you trolling? Do you seriously believe that? :eek:

Sangre

jezza wrote:

well then they should have kept going to england, ireland was/is supposed to be nuetural , doesnt seem very nuetral now does it??
2)shut up your self? why arent the iraqis as important as americans?? bush is just as bad as saddam hussain? does it not matter that americans wreck an already poor country? and dont say "its cos of the leader" because how many other countries have people like saddam? but bush doesnt bother with them because they dont have oil.

Why are you assuming I'm pro-war?

jezza

Sangre wrote:

Why are you assuming I'm pro-war?

did i say "Sangre you are pro war?"

Sangre

No because you would have been asking me a question to which I could have replied to.

Kernel

Was there a day of mourning here when Princess Diana got bumped off by MI5? I can't remember.. but do know that a lot of Irish went over to England to mourn... ffs.

Goodshape

Atari Jaguar

Ba_barbaraAnne

As a 'nominally' Catholic country we should be having a national day of mourning. I would suggest the day of the Pope's funeral. That would give practicising Catholics the opportunity to go to church and attend his requiem 'in spirit'.
I fully intend to take my kids to Mass that day - even if it means taking them off school for a while.
He was a great man, no matter what religious beliefs you have, and as the leader of the Church of the majority of the population, the government should give his people the opportunity to mourn him properly.

Imposter

Ba_barbaraAnne wrote:

As a 'nominally' Catholic country we should be having a national day of mourning. I would suggest the day of the Pope's funeral. That would give practicising Catholics the opportunity to go to church and attend his requiem 'in spirit'.
I fully intend to take my kids to Mass that day - even if it means taking them off school for a while.
He was a great man, no matter what religious beliefs you have, and as the leader of the Church of the majority of the population, the government should give his people the opportunity to mourn him properly.

No they shouldn't, church and state are seperate remember? If you want to mourn then by all means take a day off and mourn, but it should not be a national day of mourning, as the majority of those wanting it just want a day off. What next, a day of mourning for some 'celebrity'? Imo there's not a huge difference.

kenmc

I voted no but I think we should have a day off cos it's a long time till the next bank holiday and we need another 4 day week soon. And preferably a monday.

bill_ashmount

Ba_barbaraAnne wrote:

He was a great man, no matter what religious beliefs you have QUOTE]


No he wasn't??????
He happily stood by while millions died from Aids, refused divorce to countless others, condemned evryone who refused to bow down to his religion to hell and presided over an organisation who raped and abused thousands......etc. etc, etc.......

Alun

Ba_barbaraAnne wrote:

He was a great man, no matter what religious beliefs you have, ...

Was he? I personally can't think of anything he might have done that could even remotely have impinged on my life, but then I haven't been subject to any of the propaganda, so I probably missed it

Crucifix

I'll have an atari jaguar please Bob.

But as a serious question, what would people actually do with their day of mourning?

Manach

I voted no. I am Catholic and will mourn the Pope as the passing a great man but it is a private time of reflection and does not come under the auspices of the state.

Kernel

Just been listening to the Radio, and apparently over 90% of people in a Today FM poll reckon we should have a day of mourning. The people have spoken. Power to the people!

Friday sounds good.. nice long weekend.

bringitdown

JBoyle4eva wrote:

Consider this:
9/11: Within 12 hours of this happening, Bertie announces a day of mourning

Pope's death: No day of mourning, but we'll pariticipate in all events and have the flags @ state buildings at half mast.

THERE SHOULD BE A DAY OF MOURNING!

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Notwithstanding your argument, if one remembers our previous attempt at a national day of mourning I remember the controversy of the pubs being closed, the fact that most did not use it in any form as a day for reflection or introspection that in fact it was just a tremendous waste of money, the heart of the idea was good but unfortunately that differed from the heart of the majority. I believe Berties declaration on 9/11 was reactionary but unfortunately set a precedent.

Anyway I for once agree with the government, if you were to declare a day for every head of state (albeit both the vatican and the larger "state" the catholic church) where would you stop?

If you wish to mourn, and feel strongly enough about it, then take a days leave, employers should be understanding of your beliefs and allow you to do so, (heres where the government steps in possibly).

Failing do my Dana test, if Dana is for it then there is a good chance I'm against it! Now to be even more flippant - Atari Jaguar.

Kernel

bill_ashmount wrote:

No he wasn't??????
He happily stood by while millions died from Aids, refused divorce to countless others, condemned evryone who refused to bow down to his religion to hell and presided over an organisation who raped and abused thousands......etc. etc, etc.......

Looks like somebody has a case of the Mondays.