Pope Nearly Dead?

Piste · 31-03-2005 9:36pm #1

Apparently the pope is on his death bed and his last rights ( I have no idea what they are or if indeed that is what they are called, I think it's some sort of sacrament) have been read to him. Anyone know anythnig else on this?

aidan_walsh · 31-03-2005 9:40pm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Last_rites

Sad, but not too surprising, tbh.

Matthewthebig · 31-03-2005 9:42pm

The guy is old. Imagine he'd died on Good Friday

thos · 31-03-2005 9:44pm

Not the first time he's been giving his last rites, happened after he was shot in '81 too.

StupidLikeAFox · 31-03-2005 9:45pm

Matthewthebig wrote:

The guy is old. Imagine he'd died on Good Friday

Imagine he'd arose on Easter Sunday :eek:

Also i think this is a little more likely than the time when he was shot. Hope he doesnt go in pain anyway, and <insert god of your choice> bless him

tman · 31-03-2005 9:45pm

can't wait for the gamut of "omg! the pope is dead" type posts in a little over an hours time

/edit
gamut isn't the word i'm thinking of... too tired to think properly

mike65 · 31-03-2005 9:50pm

Even if the Pope is'nt actually dead, he's no longer running the affairs of the Catholic Church and seems to be reduced to the state of a Soviet President just before they were offcialy deceased.

Mike.

Evilution · 31-03-2005 9:52pm

Gummybearz!!! wrote:

Apparently the pope is on his death bed

Good. Its pathetic the way they're keeping him doing this into hospital / out of hospital $hit. Get a new pope!!!!!! The one we have is knackered. Its kinda sad that we have to say that the leader of the catholic church is a near-dead cripple - kinda signifies the catholic church in a way.

monkeyfudge · 31-03-2005 9:54pm

oh.. it's all a set up for an April Fools joke tomorrow...

Crania · 31-03-2005 9:56pm

I realise that this may offend people but I don't really care if the pope is dying, he is an old man and when people get old they die, its fact of life. And I don't know why he's getting so much news coverage people die everyday and they don't get on the news, there's so much worse disaters going on in the world at the moment than the pope dying. I just hope we get a day off school/work as a day of remembrance, it would be the only thing the pope has ever done for me

aidan_walsh · 31-03-2005 10:01pm

CoolCiaran wrote:

he is an old man and when people get old they die, its fact of life. And I don't know why he's getting so much news coverage people die everyday and they don't get on the news, there's so much worse disaters going on in the world at the moment than the pope dying.

:rolleyes: Nobody is denying that there are "worse disaters [sic]" going on, but you really think the death of the (mortal) leader of one of the worlds largest religions isn't newsworthy?

L5 · 31-03-2005 10:06pm

Evilution wrote:

Good. Its pathetic the way they're keeping him doing this into hospital / out of hospital $hit. Get a new pope!!!!!! The one we have is knackered. Its kinda sad that we have to say that the leader of the catholic church is a near-dead cripple - kinda signifies the catholic church in a way.

:rolleyes:

you muppet

StupidLikeAFox · 31-03-2005 10:09pm

Evilution wrote:

Good. Its pathetic the way they're keeping him doing this into hospital / out of hospital $hit. Get a new pope!!!!!! The one we have is knackered. Its kinda sad that we have to say that the leader of the catholic church is a near-dead cripple - kinda signifies the catholic church in a way.

In fairnes the guy has been leader for 30/40 years and your saying when he gets sick they should just fúck off and leave him die? Do you not think if someone really close to you is dying your gonna try and save him? I dont think he would have been doing much of the day to day running of the church for at least the last year so no need to get worried about it. God thats a pretty ignorant view to have, no offence

Xcom2 · 31-03-2005 10:14pm

Do we get a day off work if he dies?

X

StupidLikeAFox · 31-03-2005 10:21pm

probably

mike65 · 31-03-2005 10:26pm

I hope not! This may be (well is) a Catholic country but its NOT a Catholic state.

Mike.

grimloch · 31-03-2005 10:27pm

maybe not a day off work but catholic schools will surely get a day off?

The_Conductor · 31-03-2005 10:28pm

Last Rites is a common but misleading term; the Anointing of the Sick can be received as often as the believer desires and should not be postponed until death is thought to be near, nor is its administration intended to imply an expectation that the recipient is about to die. At one time in history, the sacrament was reserved until death was believed to be imminent, in order to reduce the possibility of the sick person committing further sins after its administration. However, since the Second Vatican Council this is no longer the case.

Also- the Vatican has announced that there are no plans to transfer him to hospital- read what you will into that.

He may be around quite some time yet, regardless of people's beliefs, the pope is a good man and most people will be sad to see him go when he finally does.

Bungalow Bill · 31-03-2005 10:33pm

Evilution wrote:

Good. Its pathetic the way they're keeping him doing this into hospital / out of hospital $hit. Get a new pope!!!!!! The one we have is knackered. Its kinda sad that we have to say that the leader of the catholic church is a near-dead cripple - kinda signifies the catholic church in a way.

**** off

Tusky · 31-03-2005 10:43pm

mike65 wrote:

I hope not! This may be (well is) a Catholic country but its NOT a Catholic state.

Mike.

then why do all the bloody pubs close on good friday

grimloch · 31-03-2005 10:50pm

Tusky wrote:

then why do all the bloody pubs close on good friday

thats done in england too isnt it?

AlienGav · 31-03-2005 10:50pm

Is there anyone here who will actually be saddened by his death?

It's funny that with the man dying all we can talk about is getting a day of work! :eek:

po0k · 31-03-2005 10:52pm

Because their owners are generally Catholic.

This is bad news.

I had money on him not popping his clogs till May.

And yes, he was the leader of that religious institution for 40 or so years. Fair play. But he's not fit for it any longer.

Ba_barbaraAnne · 31-03-2005 10:57pm

I just hope the poor man doesn't suffer much longer. He looked so frail at the Easter Blessing on tv, and very distressed, so if this latest crisis in his health is his last, let's pray that he goes peacefully. He has done so much good during his life, and even if I haven't agreed with everything the Vatican has put out during his time as Pope, he is still St Peter's successor and the leader of my church, and as such deserves respect.

If anyone made comments as ignorant and insulting about a leader of another religion, they would be in very deep trouble and called racists or anti-Jew or anti-Islam.

It will be a good thing for the Church when the uncertainty of who is running the Vatican is over, but until Pope John Paul II is either declared dead or steps down, he remains Christ's representative on earth no matter how ill he is.

bug · 31-03-2005 11:00pm

Some people are so f**king ignorant.
The man is on his death bed, have a little respect if possible.
its immaterial whether "this is a catholic state", whether you are anti religion because the christian bros made you do more than math. Try, if possible to put aside personal snipes and bring it into your mind that a man who IMO is worthy of respect is on his death bed.

If anyone made comments as ignorant and insulting about a leader of another religion, they would be in very deep trouble and called racists or anti-Jew or anti-Islam.

agreed

Tusky · 31-03-2005 11:05pm

SyxPak wrote:

Because their owners are generally Catholic.

This is bad news.

I had money on him not popping his clogs till May.

And yes, he was the leader of that religious institution for 40 or so years. Fair play. But he's not fit for it any longer.

It was illegal for any shops to sell booze regardless of religion.

Capt'n Midnight · 31-03-2005 11:12pm

smccarrick wrote:

At one time in history, the sacrament was reserved until death was believed to be imminent, in order to reduce the possibility of the sick person committing further sins after its administration.

Middle age kings used to get baptised on thier death beds for this reason..

bug · 31-03-2005 11:15pm

Tusky wrote:

then why do all the bloody pubs close on good friday

apparently in some parts of England they close local booze subsidiaries due to Islamic festivals.

Deadwing · 31-03-2005 11:16pm

bug wrote:

Some people are so f**king ignorant.
The man is on his death bed, have a little respect if possible.
its immaterial whether "this is a catholic state", whether you are anti religion because the christian bros made you do more than math. Try, if possible to put aside personal snipes and bring it into your mind that a man who IMO is worthy of respect is on his death bed.

agreed

My sentiments exactly.

Simi · 31-03-2005 11:23pm

then why do all the bloody pubs close on good friday

Because if they didn't it'd turn into another St. Patricks Day?

is_that_so · 31-03-2005 11:27pm

CoolCiaran wrote:

I realise that this may offend people but I don't really care if the pope is dying, he is an old man and when people get old they die, its fact of life. And I don't know why he's getting so much news coverage people die everyday and they don't get on the news, there's so much worse disaters going on in the world at the moment than the pope dying. I just hope we get a day off school/work as a day of remembrance, it would be the only thing the pope has ever done for me

No offence taken on the comments but disappointed that you seem happy in your ignorance. He is quite an important old man, whatever you may think of him. He influences more than the EU, Bush and Putin between them. But he doesn't do tax cuts.

"When people stop believing in God they'll believe in anything" .

eth0_ · 31-03-2005 11:51pm

I just hope that perhaps the next pope will bring in a rule that allowes Popes to retire....it's really disgusted me how that poor man has been wheeled out to deliver blessings and travel the world when he's clearly just about to pop his cloggs.

I'm not religious at all but I find the whole thing very sad :-/

31-03-2005 11:54pm

eth0_ wrote:

I just hope that perhaps the next pope will bring in a rule that allowes Popes to retire

The pope is allowed to retire. Thats been discussed many times on the news before.

aidan_walsh · 31-03-2005 11:55pm

eth0_ wrote:

I just hope that perhaps the next pope will bring in a rule that allowes Popes to retire....it's really disgusted me how that poor man has been wheeled out to deliver blessings and travel the world when he's clearly just about to pop his cloggs.

He is allowed to, but so far has refused.

is_that_so · 31-03-2005 11:56pm

eth0_ wrote:

I just hope that perhaps the next pope will bring in a rule that allowes Popes to retire....it's really disgusted me how that poor man has been wheeled out to deliver blessings and travel the world when he's clearly just about to pop his cloggs.

I'm not religious at all but I find the whole thing very sad :-/

Yep agree with you. There is precedent for it and it can be done but the problem of it goes back to the schism of the 14th century when they ended up with two popes for a bit and it led to a few wars. Question is who do people follow if one is retired as the Pope is infallible ?

Capt'n Midnight · 01-04-2005 12:05am

is_that_so wrote:

as the Pope is infallible ?

Only on matters of religious doctern and only when specfically usining papel infalliblity gathering card and it doesn't happen often (last case was the immaclate conception ?) and it's only because of a small minority in a vote in 1890 or somesuch

jezza · 01-04-2005 12:12am

is this an april fool??

Tusky · 01-04-2005 12:18am

jezza wrote:

is this an april fool??

No, turn on the news..

aidan_walsh · 01-04-2005 12:21am

jezza wrote:

is this an april fool??

CNN wrote:

VATICAN CITY (CNN) -- Pope John Paul II's condition remained "serious" early Friday, but he appeared to be responding well to antibiotic treatment for a urinary tract infection that caused him to develop a fever, a Vatican official said.

Thursday night, as his health deteriorated, the pontiff was given the last rites of the Roman Catholic Church, a Vatican source told CNN.

The sacrament does not necessarily mean that the pope is dying. Last rites -- also known as the sacrament of the sick or extreme unction -- are commonly given to people who are seriously ill as well.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/03/31/pope1/index.html

Lump · 01-04-2005 12:48am

gamut isn't the word i'm thinking of

Gamut = Chroma/Hue....

John

Mimikyu · 01-04-2005 12:59am

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elivsvonchiaing · 01-04-2005 1:03am

Hmm by the sound of it he could go any minute... but reckon he'll last through April anyhow. He has serious determination. Reckon this was his last Easter though... but who knows?

Mimikyu · 01-04-2005 1:08am

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markwhite · 01-04-2005 1:09am

smccarrick wrote:

Last Rites is a common but misleading term; the Anointing of the Sick can be received as often as the believer desires and should not be postponed until death is thought to be near, nor is its administration intended to imply an expectation that the recipient is about to die. At one time in history, the sacrament was reserved until death was believed to be imminent, in order to reduce the possibility of the sick person committing further sins after its administration. However, since the Second Vatican Council this is no longer the case.

Also- the Vatican has announced that there are no plans to transfer him to hospital- read what you will into that.

He may be around quite some time yet, regardless of people's beliefs, the pope is a good man and most people will be sad to see him go when he finally does.

waaaay too much information for my eyes!

billy the squid · 01-04-2005 1:13am

they administer that annointing of the sick all the time in knock basilica. and no doubt in many other prestigeous catholic churches and basilicae (if that is the right plural.)

billy the squid · 01-04-2005 5:20am

BBC five live just reporting that the pope has had some sort of heart attack!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4399189.stm

Pope John Paul II has suffered a cardiac arrest and is in a grave condition, the Vatican has announced.

Ba_barbaraAnne · 01-04-2005 6:30am

billy the squid wrote:

BBC five live just reporting that the pope has had some sort of heart attack!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4399189.stm

"This morning the condition of the Holy Father is very serious," the statement said, but the 84-year-old pontiff remained "conscious, lucid and tranquil".

The Pope has decided not to return to Rome's Gemelli hospital - but is being treated in his apartment by his private doctor Renato Buzzetti.

The great man seems to be accepting that his death is imminent. He was crying on tv on Sunday as if he knew it was his last time to bless his people. It is very sad.

misswex · 01-04-2005 8:04am

Lets just hope that if He is going to die that He will die peacefully!!

hshortt · 01-04-2005 8:11am

misswex wrote:

Lets just hope that if He is going to die that He will die peacefully!!

Amen

TheMonster · 01-04-2005 8:30am

I know he can retire(or whatever the official word is) but has refused but shouldn't the highest cardinals have the power to decide if hes not fit to be in office.

stevenmu · 01-04-2005 9:15am

TheMonster wrote:

I know he can retire(or whatever the official word is) but has refused but shouldn't the highest cardinals have the power to decide if hes not fit to be in office.

I'm not a catholic but from what I remember in school, it supposedly God (working through the cardinals) that decides who becomes Pope. As such only God can decide when a pope should leave.

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