Cap staying the same?

Willymuncher

Hey guys, i wrote an email to Esatbt sales this morning and just got an email back informing me that the 16gb limit will indeed stay the same when the 2mb upgrade comes in in april, heres part of the mail

I can confirm that the download cap of 16GB will remain the same when
broadband plus is upgraded to 2MB connection in April. If you bundle
together broadband with a home phone package you will be able to avail
of broadband plus at a cheaper rate. Here are details on all our bundle
packages:

There are 4 types of different broadband/home phone bundle packages,
Advantage & IOL Broadband, Advantage plus & IOL Broadband, Advantage &
IOL Broadband plus or Advantage plus and IOL Broadband plus.

The first two bundle packages will cost you ?33.15 per month for your
Broadband. If you choose the advantage plus package you will have to pay
?25 per month which gives you the benefit of free local and national
calls for up to one hour. You will also have to pay your line rental of
?24.18 on top of this

I know these guys might not know the full story....but i've even less faith in it being upped now

diarmo

Well BT have a 15GB cap for their 2Mbit package and after currency difference is taken into account its not much cheaper than iolBB+.

As long as they dont strictly enforce the 16GB limit...Im sure that they wont mind you downloading 17/18GB a month every once in a while.

Later................

Lockup

Its a shame theres no upgrade on upload speed. Nice to download faster As far as uncapped just get real. Use my service for online gaming mostly so 16g cap still is good news.

Lionheart

diarmo wrote:

As long as they dont strictly enforce the 16GB limit...Im sure that they wont mind you downloading 17/18GB a month every once in a while.

be warned that UTV strictly enforce the 16GB limit so my advice would be not to sign with them if you think you might exceed the limit at any time. Its works out extremely costly.

I have exceeded it only twice and each time I was hit with the full charge. There is absolutely no leeway with them.

Willymuncher

Lionheart wrote:

be warned that UTV strictly enforce the 16GB limit so my advice would be not to sign with them if you think you might exceed the limit at any time. Its works out extremely costly.

I have exceeded it only twice and each time I was hit with the full charge. There is absolutely no leeway with them.

Yea, and i've also heard lately of IOL charging for going over the cap, its a pity it couldn't have at least been doubled...

Dinner

Lionheart wrote:

be warned that UTV strictly enforce the 16GB limit so my advice would be not to sign with them if you think you might exceed the limit at any time. Its works out extremely costly.

I have exceeded it only twice and each time I was hit with the full charge. There is absolutely no leeway with them.

Sorry to get off topic for a minute but has anyone heard if UTV will be increasing the speed? I havent seen anything about it.

PiE

They have to, but in all likeliness they're delaying their announcement until they can figure out a way to force current users into another 12 month contract.

I don't see how they can, since they can't offer to leave us on the 512k service if we refuse a new contract, as it won't exist... but I'm sure they'll think of something.

Dinner

PiE wrote:

They have to, but in all likeliness they're delaying their announcement until they can figure out a way to force current users into another 12 month contract.

I don't see how they can, since they can't offer to leave us on the 512k service if we refuse a new contract, as it won't exist... but I'm sure they'll think of something.

Ah its not too bad so, I'm not even in my first 12 month contract yet, I'm only half way through the trial now. Thanks for that.

Stephen

Tough luck UTV, I've already applied for smart. My contract is up either the end of this month or the end of april. Either way, I'm not getting suckered into another 12 months, even if it means staying on 512k until smart is available here.

John R

PiE wrote:

They have to, but in all likeliness they're delaying their announcement until they can figure out a way to force current users into another 12 month contract.

I don't see how they can, since they can't offer to leave us on the 512k service if we refuse a new contract, as it won't exist... but I'm sure they'll think of something.

Couldn't they just throttle individual connections to 512k at their end?

BTW there is a way to exceed the cap on UTV without getting charged extra.

Gonzo

assuming that esatbt are gonna do nothing about their caps than eircom and utv wud be the same also.
if this is true than its very dissapointing, eircom 2mb with an 8gb cap... that monthly cap can be blown in just over 11hours. put it another way to use it evenly per month, you would have to spend less than 30 minutes a day downloading. - surely eircom are gonna increase the cap... a 2mb line with an 8gb cap is overkill, you would downloading 1meg every 5 seconds if you get the full 200k/sec speed.

v10

John R wrote:

BTW there is a way to exceed the cap on UTV without getting charged extra.

Whats that then ?

PiE

Set cap choice to "Suspend my account when I reach limit", download 99.9% of cap, disconnect, reconnect, download for 48hrs straight before the auto disconnect knocks you off.

Best used on the last 2 days of the month, naturally.

halenger

Gonzo wrote:

assuming that esatbt are gonna do nothing about their caps than eircom and utv wud be the same also.

I, personally, don't believe this is true. I still feel that the ball is in Eircom's park. They set the standards. Everyone else "tops" them, slightly. If you had said "assuming that eircom are gonna do nothing..." then I'd definately agree.

daveyjoe

PiE wrote:

They have to, but in all likeliness they're delaying their announcement until they can figure out a way to force current users into another 12 month contract.

I don't see how they can, since they can't offer to leave us on the 512k service if we refuse a new contract, as it won't exist... but I'm sure they'll think of something.

True, they can't keep us at 512k and I really doubt that UTV would go so low as to throttle the service at their end. All that they can do is fiddle around with caps and price structures to make it more atractive to sign up for another 12 months. i.e..

Clicksilver - €29.99
1mb/8gb Cap

Clicksilver w/contract - €29.99
1mb/16gb Cap

Clicksilver Plus- €45.00
2mb/16gb Cap

Clicksilver w/contract - €45.00
2mb/Unlimited Cap

Of course the w/contract products would be brand new products so you would have to sign-up for another 12 months.

Sponge Bob

daveyjoe wrote:

Of course the w/contract products would be brand new products so you would have to sign-up for another 12 months.

They are NOT brand new products actually but that will not stop operators looking for the lock in I suspect . If you refuse the lock in they will have to find a way to throttle the wholesale product to half speed .

Most operators will pass the double bandwidth on with no contract shenanigans I'd say.

daveyjoe

Sponge Bob wrote:

They are NOT brand new products actually but that will not stop operators looking for the lock in I suspect . If you refuse the lock in they will have to find a way to throttle the wholesale product to half speed .

Most operators will pass the double bandwidth on with no contract shenanigans I'd say.

Well UTV would consider it a new product because of the increased cap whereas the original product would not have a cap increase. This is pure speculation though.

Giblet

Oh wow. I get 20 hours of full speed downloading. Fantastic. Thanks for under an hour a day ESAT.


I mean, what the hell is wrong with this country. They should really be offering different packages to target different usage levels.

Well at least granny can stream her knitting pages in at 200k right. Best not look at the video tutorials of that STOCKINNETTE STITCH though.

irishshogun

Spoke to one of Esat's guys this morning, he said the caps were going to be increased "substansially" (Yeah I know my spelling sucks) wouldnt say how much tho! said increases would occur in April, maybe to coincide with the new download speed increase!

WizZard

Nobody will know for sure until the 4th April. Until then, speculation is all that can be done. And that's just going to incite more of these pointless "Cap Increase"/"Cap decrease" threads.

Then again, my friends dog who goes for a run through EsatBT grounds said that another guys dog that he met said that the caps would be increased to a billion gigabytes...*

*This is sarcasm, please don't make a thread about me in Feedback

irishshogun

Cool!!!... a billion gigabytes, I'm moving to sarcasm...now where is that exactly??

Superman

Giblet wrote:

Oh wow. I get 20 hours of full speed downloading. Fantastic. Thanks for under an hour a day ESAT.

well an hour a day at 200kb/s for an hour is about 700mb, that's over 6 hoursmusic, that's alot no matter how you look at it!

btw remember the upgrade to 2mbit is FREE! never look a gift horse in the eye!

Willymuncher

Superman wrote:

well an hour a day at 200kb/s for an hour is about 700mb, that's over 6 hoursmusic, that's alot no matter how you look at it!

btw remember the upgrade to 2mbit is FREE! never look a gift horse in the eye!

It is free and its something i'm very excited about, however, i think paying the price that we do pay its not unacceptable to want a higher download cap...giving us 200kb download is good, but giving us a 16gb transfer limit...this will be used in no time by heavy downloaders...its disappointing

PiE

Superman wrote:

well an hour a day at 200kb/s for an hour is about 700mb, that's over 6 hoursmusic, that's alot no matter how you look at it!

No, it's not.

btw remember the upgrade to 2mbit is FREE! never look a gift horse in the eye!

Fat lot of use it is if it's used up in a few hours.

Nobody will know for sure until the 4th April

Amen to that.

Creamy Goodness

Superman wrote:

well an hour a day at 200kb/s for an hour is about 700mb, that's over 6 hoursmusic, that's alot no matter how you look at it!

btw remember the upgrade to 2mbit is FREE! never look a gift horse in the eye!

i'm sorry but that's just like saying

now open today is the new M50 fully finished.

ohh we forgot to say the speed limit is 40km/h.

we shall wait until 4th april to see what's the deal with the caps

vector

more like ohh we forgot to say that while the speed limit is 200km/h.
the road is onlt 1km long.

Willymuncher

We will see on april 4th, or i'd imagine for the caps...we might find out in late march, seeing as it'd be entering a new month, from emailing sales i get told it has been confirmed that the cap will remain the same, and from livehelp we're told that the cap will considerably increase.....its very confusing for now, and as ever, i'm impatient...

CyberGhost

Willymuncher wrote:

We will see on april 4th, or i'd imagine for the caps...we might find out in late march, seeing as it'd be entering a new month, from emailing sales i get told it has been confirmed that the cap will remain the same, and from livehelp we're told that the cap will considerably increase.....its very confusing for now, and as ever, i'm impatient...

they will definitely leave caps as they are, if they were going to increase, why wouldn't they announce by now?

Willymuncher

CyberGhost wrote:

they will definitely leave caps as they are, if they were going to increase, why wouldn't they announce by now?

Good point...but we can still live in hope

vibe666

i think they're waiting to see what the reactions will be.

no doubt they have some of their inions will be keeping an eye on places like here and other forums to see how things go.

either that, or they don't know how the system is going to cope, and they're still testing the system internally trying to work out what they can do without spending money on new hardware.

a 'considerable' increase to me would be 64gb (4x16) and that would do me tbh, but I'd say if anything they'll just double it and that'll be it.

again, we'll no know until it happens i'd say, or just before.

vishal

if you think you are going to get more than 32gb pm then you are in la la land. we will be lucky if they increase caps at all.

Jorinn

vishal wrote:

if you think you are going to get more than 32gb pm then you are in la la land. we will be lucky if they increase caps at all.

Can you justify that statement, in many other countries there are no caps or they have caps reaching almost 100GB. There's no reason bar stinginess and elevated profit margins that they can't do this.And as for example, Smart have no official cap, you just shouldn;t be stupid with their service downloading at full whack 24/7

halenger

CyberGhost wrote:

they will definitely leave caps as they are, if they were going to increase, why wouldn't they announce by now?

I've said it before and I'll say it again... I think it's a case of "What's everyone else gonna do?". It's Eircom's "job", so to speak, to make the first announcement and then to be pipped by everyone else. IOL/UTV don't want to be the worst cap offering so they wait. Eircom could well leave them waiting and they'd more than likely be happy as it is - more money for UTV probably as people fly over their caps without realizing. I'll still give it time. If we don't hear it before the upgrade then we probably wont be hearing it (for a while anyhow).

Oh and in my opinion they wont do more than double the higher up caps. We'd all love to see fantastic caps but don't set yourself up for disappointment. 32GB would be a lot for me. That said, there'll always be people going over and complaining etc but this is the vast minority. They need to wake up with their cap breaking costs though. 3cent per mb is madness.

lomb

halenger wrote:

3cent per mb is madness.

it is indeed. the wholesale cost is 5 cent per Gig so comreg should be the first port of call. they are trying to pass off a 30000% profit margin on the public.

thejollyrodger

The caps and upload speed at the moment are scandalous. That on top of a sky high line rental and costly broadband service shows RIP OFF IRELAND is alive and well.

Roll on L.L.U for a decent BB product (nationwide for once:p).

lomb

thejollyrodger wrote:

Roll on L.L.U for a decent BB product (nationwide for once:p).

why doesnt esat bt start providing pure LLU services to the public? if smart is doing it why isnt esat and esat have more money.

daveyjoe

Jorinn wrote:

Can you justify that statement, in many other countries...

Yeah except we're not in many other countries, we're in Ireland and that's the reason why we wont 100gb caps. I could maybe see the cap doubling but I would consider myself lucky if that happened.

ando

lomb wrote:

why doesnt esat bt start providing pure LLU services to the public? if smart is doing it why isnt esat and esat have more money.

yea i was wondering that myself. I would of expected esat to set themselves free from eircom first

PiE

Esat were in far too cosy a position to go rocking the boat.

Jorinn

daveyjoe wrote:

Yeah except we're not in many other countries, we're in Ireland and that's the reason why we wont 100gb caps. I could maybe see the cap doubling but I would consider myself lucky if that happened.

That doesn't disqualify it though, Smart don't implement strict caps, just that users have common sense, it can be done in Ireland and it has definately been done elsewhere. Then again if you chose eircom then you can't really moan about your decision anyway, its widely known among users of these boards that eircom are a pack of so and so's. If you use other providers though it would be reasonable to assume they would increase the caps so the 2mbit services aren't a complete joke.

DingChavez

Eircom are great...

diarmo

DingChavez wrote:

Eircom are great...

....great big bunch of azzholes that is!!

I took up their trial about 6months ago ad they began charging me €54.70 straight away....sent the dsl modem back after I got the second bill(and before the end of the 2month trial) in disgust!!!

I only recently got credit for €54.70 returned and expect the second €54.70 returned in my next bill.

What a bunch of incompetant twitz!!!

Superman

DingChavez wrote:

Eircom are great...

I agree! Theeerrrreee GGGGGrrrreeat!

remember folks there is only so much legal stuff broadband can be used for!

Moriarty

..gnrrrkkk... thread descending.... into.... bunch of arse.....

... must....... ......... lock.......

Also, superman and ding: trolling will get you a permenant ban the next time I spot either of you doing it again. KTHX!