Losing Weight

the whole year inn

Trying to lose weight lost bout half a stone .I am now 21 ,16 1/2 stone and 6 2. want to get down to 14.My Diet is

Breackfast: A tuna sandwich on brown bread a Orange and 2 oven backed sausages.

Lunch. A chicken breast sandwich on brown bread , a orange and large chips.

Dinner:brown rice with breast of chicken and some green peepers .

I drink on the week end Bud and vodka and buckfast (Galway ) some times.

I go to the gym bout 4 times a week for an hour and half and walk home from work every day thats bout 2 and a half miles 5 days a week.

In the gym I do 40 mins on the air walker at the start then I do machine weights working on my chest a good bit.
What do you reckon of my routine ? Am I eating to much protien if I want to lose weight?I want to lose the pot belly I have ,so what exercies should I be doing . I also tore my ligamints so I cant run on the tredmill.

Thanks

god_smacked

Zillah

Disclaimer: I am not an expert.


It seems that you're doing a good bit of exercise, but I think you'll find the amount of calories burned by exercise is relatively low compared to the amount of energy in food. It's great that your working and it can only help but I'd suggest you cut down on the intake a bit.

For breakfast you have two sausages and a sandwich. Try picking just one of them, or better yet some cereal. Allbran or something equally non-sugery is a good idea.

For lunch again you have two things I'd consider sufficient (I'm 6'4 and 11 stone). A sandwich and large chips, again I'd suggest you pick one of these (sandwich is probably a better choice.

Everything else sounds fine. What you have to realise is that if you're losing weight you will feel hungry. Your body makes it so because it doesn't want to cut into it's stored supplies. Keep at it and good job so far.

Easygainer

Keep it clean and natural - no processed foods. That means no sausages, no chips except for a cheat meal on the weekends. Keep protein high so you keep lbm, that way your bf% will drop rather than fat + muscle...

GraveRobber

I went up 2 16.5 stone on steroids and it was impossible to loose the weight. But I finially figured out a way, it may sound drastic but then again if you were as freaked by the weight as I was ull do it. Try this for 3 weeks.

1. Basicially dont work out... at all... maby walking but thats it.
When you exercise more than you should you body makes you feel hungrier to combat any extra usage of energy. In order to gain muscle you need energy but critically only a small percentage of this will come from your fat. So if you build up muscle all ur doing is makin the fat more noticiable.

2. The obvious thing I no but dont eat - AT ALL - for 2 weeks. It may sound hard but if you dont eat for 2-3 days your stomach closes down and you dont get hungey at all. And if you do eat after dat time youll feel bloated so you wont enjoy it. The best way to stop eating for 3 days i found was plan a really busy 3 days where you wont have time for anything. Then make shure your constantly tired and you wont feel as hungry, and if you do look in the mirror and keep sayin to yourself - " Do I want to look like this - a fat ba,sterd with no hope of any1 ever liking me or of getting a girlfriend ". It dosent have to be true but say it often enough to yourself and you will start believeing it.
After a week youll start getting headachs, if you drink loads of water that will get rid of it.

3. Youll see a lot of things on dieting but they dont work or else take too long and you break before the end of them. People will tell you what im saying here is wrong, but I now weigh 13stone and have had no problem keepin at this weight. Go on the scales every third day and youll see that you loose 2 kilos every time.

4. Every time you feel like giving up punch the wall really hard until you feel enough pain that you dont care about food. Worked for me. I think its called pain transferral. You can only ever feel one thing at a time.

5. Think logicially - the hunger you feel is your stomach acid burning away that fat around it. Think of it like this and its easier to get by.

Its though I no so pick out someone who youd love to get with and focus on how much more attracted they will be to you.
Id say people will complain about this method but dont listen to them because in 2 weeks youll be 2 stone + ,lighter.

And finially best o luch m8.

RonanC

GraveRobber wrote:

5. Think logicially - the hunger you feel is your stomach acid burning away that fat around it. Think of it like this and its easier to get by.

Interesting, care to elaborate on how exactly said acid increases fat oxidation?

I really hope that post was in jest.

spunkymunky

Graverobber
I certainly disagree with this. Theres absolutely no need to starve yourself in this way.

I've lost about a stone and half over the last 3-4 months and not once was i hungry or did i starve myself.
Ive become consious of what i eat, limit a fry to once a week (and then grill it). Cut down on chips and fatty foods. (actually gave up chips for lent and havmt touch one) Eat three-four meals a day. Regular excercise!!!!. I didnt change my diet that much. I cut down on the size of my portions and think that was the biggest thing.
I havnt cut anything out of my diet and havnt changed my drinking habits.
While im still not as toned as i want to be, just a wee belly (noticable to me mainly) i am getting there and enjoying the process.

SM

GraveRobber

Not 2 shure how fat get burned in the stomach but im jus tryin ta help da guy, I thought of it like that and it worked for me so....

The human body is an amazingly resilliant thing and 2 weeks without food wont do much harm. Why put your self through 3-4 months of hassle when you can have it in 2 wks.

I no I must sound like some baliemic(spelling?) freak but as long as you have some self control It works, I like my food as much as the next person.

pwd

GraveRobber wrote:

4. Every time you feel like giving up punch the wall really hard until you feel enough pain that you dont care about food. Worked for me. I think its called pain transferral. You can only ever feel one thing at a time.

Relieved to find proof that this is a troll.
When I was a teenager I punched walls/doors maybe 3 times. Every time I did it I badly hurt my hand and had to go to hospital several times in each case.
If a 16.5 stone man who had been training with steroids punched a wall hard, he would probably break his hand.
So I conclude this is a tasteless piece of satire, rather than cringeworthy advice.

GraveRobber

Bit foolish to break your hand...

Id like to think that a person with half a brain could be able to regulate the strength at which you punch the wall but i guess theres an exception to every rule.

Just hard enough so that you cause pain but if you dont wana hit a wall try a punch bag without gloves on. Ull find that after a while the skin on the knuckles gets sore.

spunkymunky

GraveRobber wrote:

After a week youll start getting headachs, if you drink loads of water that will get rid of it.

3. Youll see a lot of things on dieting but they dont work or else take too long and you break before the end of them. People will tell you what im saying here is wrong, but I now weigh 13stone and have had no problem keepin at this weight. Go on the scales every third day and youll see that you loose 2 kilos every time.

Is this healthy though? You said you get headaches, Doesnt sound good to me. What do you do to keep the weight at 13 stone? Must do some form of excercise?
Gob smacked said he goes to gym and excersises anyway so that should be an issue.

GraveRobber

Anyway this is just my opinion, take it or leave it. just felt for ya since i was in a similar place b4 and thought id share a few thoughts.

Whatever you do just remember .... dont put it back on once you loose it.

GraveRobber

I've found that once your stomach starts to close down it shrinks a well. Keepin the weight off is then just a matter of not stuffing yourself too often because if you do your stomach will stretch back. I havent done any workouts for a while - serious accident - but im gona go back to a half hour a day. Yeh headachs dont sound good I no but by that time you can see the results and there gone after a while with no harm done.

RonanC

GraveRobber wrote:

Not 2 shure how fat get burned in the stomach but im jus tryin ta help da guy,

With all due respect, if you admittedly haven't a clue what you're talking about, you're not really in any position to give him advice.

GraveRobber wrote:

2 weeks without food wont do much harm. .

Well apart from possible hypoglycemia, a f-ed up thyroid, and damage to your immune, musculoskeletal, cardiovascular, gastrointestinal and urinary systems.....

pwd

Bit foolish to break your hand...

Id like to think that a person with half a brain could be able to regulate the strength at which you punch the wall but i guess theres an exception to every rule.

Just hard enough so that you cause pain but if you dont wana hit a wall try a punch bag without gloves on. Ull find that after a while the skin on the knuckles gets sore.

lmao.
not going to work.

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Aside:
An effective approach to pain transferance is holding your finger/hand in a flame or on a very hot radiator. After a few seconds, the pain will be ample to take your mind off other things, and you won't damage yourself in the process. A cold shower is another alternative.

spunkymunky

Is graverobber suggesting supressing an appetite through pain? If your hungry think of the pain and it will pass. Dont like the sound of that at all. Say that could potentially lead to some problems there in the long run? When is it ok to eat? Will the pain subside?

pwd

spunkymunky wrote:

Is graverobber suggesting supressing an appetite through pain? If your hungry think of the pain and it will pass. Dont like the sound of that at all. Say that could potentially lead to some problems there in the long run? When is it ok to eat? Will the pain subside?

I didn't think it needed saying, but please don't listen to Graverobber. Or, better, listen to everything he says, and make sure you never, ever, do any of it.
He is a troll.

GraveRobber

Nah nothing that extreme, just a breif wince should suffice. I only did it for 2 weeks but i guess you could keep it up until your at the weight you want, just make shure you start eating again once you hit your target weight. I wouldnt reccomend for anyone to keep going after that because we all no what that leads to.

Just my opinion anyway. If ya feel its not for you then dont do it, as simple as that.

P.S. pwd - if you dont like it fair enough, i can respect your opinion shame you cant respect others opinions. And I got to be honest i dont have a clue what ya mean by troll - or do you mean the kind that are in fairy tales or what.

pwd

It's not a matter of opinion; it is a matter of fact. You are advocating self hate and self destruction. You demonstrate an appalling lack of knowledge about the effects of what you propose, yet you pass it off as sound advice.

Troll: a post written with the intention of provoking an emotional response. Usually obscene, offensive, or ludicrously inaccurate.

Sane advice on losing weight is present on the following threads:

http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=230869

http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=223538

http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=223891

http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=231612

Easygainer

GraveRobber wrote:

I went up 2 16.5 stone on steroids and it was impossible to loose the weight. But I finially figured out a way, it may sound drastic but then again if you were as freaked by the weight as I was ull do it. Try this for 3 weeks.

1. Basicially dont work out... at all... maby walking but thats it.
When you exercise more than you should you body makes you feel hungrier to combat any extra usage of energy. In order to gain muscle you need energy but critically only a small percentage of this will come from your fat. So if you build up muscle all ur doing is makin the fat more noticiable.

2. The obvious thing I no but dont eat - AT ALL - for 2 weeks. It may sound hard but if you dont eat for 2-3 days your stomach closes down and you dont get hungey at all. And if you do eat after dat time youll feel bloated so you wont enjoy it. The best way to stop eating for 3 days i found was plan a really busy 3 days where you wont have time for anything. Then make shure your constantly tired and you wont feel as hungry, and if you do look in the mirror and keep sayin to yourself - " Do I want to look like this - a fat ba,sterd with no hope of any1 ever liking me or of getting a girlfriend ". It dosent have to be true but say it often enough to yourself and you will start believeing it.
After a week youll start getting headachs, if you drink loads of water that will get rid of it.

3. Youll see a lot of things on dieting but they dont work or else take too long and you break before the end of them. People will tell you what im saying here is wrong, but I now weigh 13stone and have had no problem keepin at this weight. Go on the scales every third day and youll see that you loose 2 kilos every time.

4. Every time you feel like giving up punch the wall really hard until you feel enough pain that you dont care about food. Worked for me. I think its called pain transferral. You can only ever feel one thing at a time.

5. Think logicially - the hunger you feel is your stomach acid burning away that fat around it. Think of it like this and its easier to get by.

Its though I no so pick out someone who youd love to get with and focus on how much more attracted they will be to you.
Id say people will complain about this method but dont listen to them because in 2 weeks youll be 2 stone + ,lighter.

And finially best o luch m8.

WTF? Do you want him to die? Starving you lose 60% muscle and 40% fat and therefore get fatter. Your metabolism will slow down so that you can not burn any appreciable amount of calories and thus will shoot up in weight. I'm not gonna bother reading beyond here, this is completely idiotic, negligent advice.

Transform

Quite amazing!!!
But hey Jesus did it for 40 days and nights so maybe there is something there?

tk123

I've lost 8 pounds on ediets(its cheap with VHI) since the end of Jan. Now thats only 1lb per week but thats good enough for me!! Ediets worked for me because the meal plans helped me figure out which foods are the best value for the amount of calories i'm allowed per day. You can probably get all this info for free online but i like having all the info I need in one place with nice charts etc since i'm a girl I never feel like i'm starving myself or really hungry because i'm eating the right amount of calories..

Here's some (random) tips:
-health grills are good because they drain fat AND cook fast - you can't use the excuse of not having time to cook a proper meal when you have a health grill
-processed foods are BAD because they're a waste of calories!! Fresh foods will fill you up more and are better for you!!
-bulk meals up with veg
-drink lots of water - if you don't like water on it's own use low/sugar free squash
-use spary oil instead of regular oil
-make your own chips - cut potatoes into chips/wedges, spray with oil and bake
-I have a fruit smootie for my brek and it keeps me going longer than cereal
-turkey is leaner than pork/beef - 4oz turkey is the same as 2oz beef. You can get turkey fillets in Lidl for €2 cheaper than they are in Tescos!!

I don't know if that's any help?

Phil_321

Easygainer wrote:

WTF? Do you want him to die? Starving you lose 60% muscle and 40% fat and therefore get fatter. Your metabolism will slow down so that you can not burn any appreciable amount of calories and thus will shoot up in weight. I'm not gonna bother reading beyond here, this is completely idiotic, negligent advice.

I have to say that GraveRobber has a point. He's actually speaking from his experience rather than regurgitating what he read on some health site or in a magazine, as some other posters are.

I've gone for 8 days without any food at all, not even liquids, apart from water. Not out of choice, I had to have surgery and had to wait for my digestive system to kick in again. I can tell you that you will definately lose alot of weight through starvation. I did zilch exercise during this time as I was stuck in hospital. I can't remember how much I lost but I just remember the weight was dropping off me. On another occasion, for the same condition, I had to go 5 days without food and this also resulted in a good bit of weight loss.

You won't permantly damage yourself through this as long as you don't keep it up for too long, although I've know idea when it would become dangerous.
One thing I noticed is that you're sense of smell becomes extremely acute. The smell from newspapers/deodorant/perfume,etc... gets so strong as to be uncomfortable and you'll have a horrible taste in you're mouth.

IMO opinion, starvation is the most effective way for rapid weight loss but it's not easy. You'd have to have some serious willpower to do this, the only reason I did was out of necessity, ie. I physically wasn't able to digest the food. Oh and you will have less of an appetite after it as well, as was mentioned, you're stomach will shrink.

Transform

Cahnge the word starvation and replace with a sensible fast and you have one of the best methods of detoxing. 1-3 day fasts (used regularly in almost every major religion - for some with the wrong intent i.e. purging the soul of evil etc) with just water and herbal tea are an excellent method of detoxing and giving the digestive system a chance to relax from its normal continuous duty of breaking down your food.

Graverobber your intentions i am sure are true, just next time back it up without all the macho chest beating etc

pwd

Phil: I am sure that if you were in hospital at the time you were on a drip providing you with fluids and probably some sort of nutrients also. Do not compare not eating out of necessity and in a highly controlled environment with starving oneself out of self-hate.
Also, speaking from experience should not count for more than quoting sientific fact. Experience is highly subjective. In my experience, drinking a litre of whiskey a day turns me into a figure of batman-like strength, prowess and charisma, however I know it doesn't really.

Easygainer

Phil_321 wrote:

I have to say that GraveRobber has a point. He's actually speaking from his experience rather than regurgitating what he read on some health site or in a magazine, as some other posters are.

I've gone for 8 days without any food at all, not even liquids, apart from water. Not out of choice, I had to have surgery and had to wait for my digestive system to kick in again. I can tell you that you will definately lose alot of weight through starvation. I did zilch exercise during this time as I was stuck in hospital. I can't remember how much I lost but I just remember the weight was dropping off me. On another occasion, for the same condition, I had to go 5 days without food and this also resulted in a good bit of weight loss.

You won't permantly damage yourself through this as long as you don't keep it up for too long, although I've know idea when it would become dangerous.
One thing I noticed is that you're sense of smell becomes extremely acute. The smell from newspapers/deodorant/perfume,etc... gets so strong as to be uncomfortable and you'll have a horrible taste in you're mouth.

IMO opinion, starvation is the most effective way for rapid weight loss but it's not easy. You'd have to have some serious willpower to do this, the only reason I did was out of necessity, ie. I physically wasn't able to digest the food. Oh and you will have less of an appetite after it as well, as was mentioned, you're stomach will shrink.

He has no point and you obviously have no clue if you're agreeing. Fasting is the worst thing you can do for permanent fat loss for many reasons:
1. Psycholically, you associate dieting with pain
2. Not eating regularly slows the metabolism
->this is why we advocate small meals regularly (every 3 hrs) while dieting
3. You lose more muscle than fat, hence the bodyfat % rises rather than drops. Some anorexics are 30%bf because they have so little muscle.
4. You will have a rebound when you start eating ANY amount of food again. Weight gain, even through glycogen storage and water retention, will make you blow up and lose all confidence.

I don't need to continue, but anyone who advocates the lunacy of starvation should jump in front of a train.

Phil_321

pwd wrote:

Phil: I am sure that if you were in hospital at the time you were on a drip providing you with fluids and probably some sort of nutrients also.

It was just plain water (I asked), probably had a few nutrients alright but no carbs/protein/fat.

pwd wrote:

Also, speaking from experience should not count for more than quoting sientific fact. Experience is highly subjective.

Yeah, but from some of the posts you'd think you'd "shoot up in weight". I found it to be the opposite.

Easygainer wrote:

He has no point and you obviously have no clue if you're agreeing. Fasting is the worst thing you can do for permanent fat loss for many reasons:
1. Psycholically, you associate dieting with pain
2. Not eating regularly slows the metabolism
->this is why we advocate small meals regularly (every 3 hrs) while dieting
3. You lose more muscle than fat, hence the bodyfat % rises rather than drops. Some anorexics are 30%bf because they have so little muscle.
4. You will have a rebound when you start eating ANY amount of food again. Weight gain, even through glycogen storage and water retention, will make you blow up and lose all confidence.

I don't need to continue, but anyone who advocates the lunacy of starvation should jump in front of a train

I'm not advocating it as such. I'd never do it myself under normal circumstances, I've no need to do it anyway. And doing it regurlary and/or for long periods could definately result in some problems.
I'm just saying that it WILL result in serious weight loss in a short period of time. If you did it as a once-off for 8 days, you'd loose alot of weight and you're appetite will have decreased somewhat so you wouldn't automatically put it back on again.

TBH, I don't think anyone could keep it up for more than 2 or 3 days,if even that, if it wasn't out of medical necessity. The first few days really are the worst out of pure hunger and next up you can look forward to a nice dose of depression that will set in due to lack of sustenance.

GraveRobber

Jeasus sory i ever menchioned anything now... Self Hate??? I love myself... enough to want to improve myself all the time.... Depressed??? not likely... I laugh during horror films... I guess theres 2 kinds of people in the world those who do and those who talk about doing things. You can survive off water alone for anything between 3 and 7 weeks (depending on your size). Its pretty basic the smaller your stomach gets the less you want to eat. Have ya ever done anything really imbarrasing and the you kicked a wall or something in an attempt to distract yourself.. thats the lines i was thinkin on. Dieting by pain aint the smartest thing but distracting yourself can be difficult at times and extreme problems call for extreme solutions. Anyway thats all ill say on the matter.So chereo for now...

Chucky the tree

GraveRobber - your a gob****e.

thats all i am going to say on the matter

Jak

Starvation for weight loss (couple of weeks?!?) is in the same league as amputation for weight loss frankly. Fasting and detox are entirely different matters over a day or two.

On the suggestion that there are those that do and those that don't in backing up your claim - even with medical evidence aside there is actually significant "experience" on this board for many aspects of strength and fitness training.

Anyhows, as Phil seems to have reeled in his commentary and graverobber is perhaps 12, I'll lock this. Any problems, PM someone else. I don't care.

JAK.