Nintendo: 64 or Super?

corblimey

I'm thinking about delving into some more retro gaming by buying a Nintendo system (I already have a PS1, Dreamcast and PC Engine) but can't decide whether to buy a Nintendo 64 or a Super Nintendo. Anyone here willing to make a decision for me

Matthewthebig

Snes!

The Bollox

well if you really want nostalgia, go for the NES, otherwise I say the SNES

eoinf

get a N64 with goldeneye. what a classic. number two on the list of reasons why i done so badly on my leaving cert in 1998

BlitzKrieg

depends what kind of retro? Is this going to be in a college house sitting room or somethin? then the n64 with four controllers and some goldeneye, mario kart 64 etc. Or is it going into your room as part of some nostalgic collection. Then Snes for some quality rpgs and other single player classics.

Slash/ED

Snes has mario all stars and the original mario kart, pure quality.

TerrorFirmer

I always perfered the Mega Drive....but definately get a Nintendo 64, by far the best console in that particular round of the console wars.

Goldeneye, Zelda, Perfect Dark, Super Smash Bros, Killer Instinct, rogue Squadron.....so many amazing titles i love even today (at least, I did, until my console broke and I Sold all my carts....but still, roms are almost as good on the pc with a controller)

But to answer your question, I'd still say Both of them! Try as it might, the Mega Drive version of Street Fighter II just wasn't the same....

Although again i think mortal kombat on the Mega Drive was a much better game.....

corblimey

BlitzKrieg wrote:

depends what kind of retro? Is this going to be in a college house sitting room or somethin? then the n64 with four controllers and some goldeneye, mario kart 64 etc. Or is it going into your room as part of some nostalgic collection. Then Snes for some quality rpgs and other single player classics.

Just to answer this q, it's going to be part of my collection in my own non-shared house, and if it's anything like the DC, it'll be a case of play the hell out of it for 4 weeks, do other stuff for 3 months, play the hell out of it for 4 weeks, lather, rinse, repeat.

I've seen a couple of N64 games, but I suspect that the SNES back catalogue is much bigger? Perhaps I'm wrong, I've always thought of the N64 as a fairly short-term console. Then again, the DC passed me by completely when it first came out, so what do I know?

Dammit, now I want to buy both *and* a Mega Drive

abccormac

Get them both, they're cheap these days.

Mimikyu

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sceptre

eoinf wrote:

get a N64 with goldeneye. what a classic. number two on the list of reasons why i done so badly on my leaving cert in 1998

Off-topic I'm afraid but I know you're just gagging for someone to ask. Number one on the list was?

They're both rather cheap so if you've a thing for old consoles you could just get both. The SNES back catalogue would indeed be much larger I suspect.

Recon

I'd go for the n64. Games like goldeneye, mario 64, both zelda's (the first ones better but both are very good), mario kart, the 2 extreme g games ( i liked them ). Try here for a list of n64 games.

rainbow kirby

Single player - SNES (Super Metroid...*drools*)
Multiplayer - N64 (MK64, Goldeneye, SSB, Perfect Dark...)

Balfa

These are all my opinions, of course

Race: super mario kart 1 - 0 mario kart 64
(this is probably the closest battle. see http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=227122)

Platform: super mario world 1&2 1 - 0 Mario 64 (draw)

Action/Adventure/Platform: Super Metroid 2 - 0 (no worthy opponent)

RPG: chrono trigger & secret of mana 3 - 0 Paper Mario? Anything better?
(that's just two of SNES's huge amount of excellent RPGs)

Zelda: LttP 3 - 1 OoT & MM
(LttP is great, but OoT IS the best game of all time)

Beatemup: SF2/Turbo 4 - 1 Smash Bros
(cos you may as well get SSBM for gamecube now)

Sport: NHL 95 5 - 1 tony hawks? 1080 snowboard?
(i did live ISS on the SNES at the time, but PES has spoiled me)

FPS: doom 5 - 2 goldeneye (heheh. snes doom.)

Shootemup: dunno, ask Retr0gamer.



I hope that sums them up well. This list is, of course, up for debate. But at least you can get an idea of some of the best games in the genres that might interest you.

corblimey

Nice post, Balfa, but being a Nintendo noob, there are a hell of a lot of acronyms I don't understand there.

Looks like the SNES is slightly better, but I may aswell get both and make up my mind, huh? At least I now have a list of a couple games that are worth getting.

super_furry

I'd go for the SNES. Better games, much, much wider choice of titles and probably the best joypad ever designed. I didn't really like the N64 even when I bought it a few months after launch, it seems like a poor piece of hardware that just happened to be lucky enough to play host to a handful of truly great titles.

dearg_doom

Balfa wrote:

These are all my opinions, of course

Race: super mario kart 1 - 0 mario kart 64
(this is probably the closest battle. see http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=227122)

Not a close battle at all imo, SMK is the best console racer of all time, EVER.

Balfa wrote:

Platform: super mario world 1&2 1 - 0 Mario 64 (draw)

If you also add Mario Allstars, the SNES wins, close though!

Balfa wrote:

Action/Adventure/Platform: Super Metroid 2 - 0 (no worthy opponent)

For the N64 there's JetForceGemini, Blast Corps, Banjo series!, SMetroid STILL wins it though:)

Balfa wrote:

RPG: chrono trigger & secret of mana 3 - 0 Paper Mario? Anything better?
(that's just two of SNES's huge amount of excellent RPGs)

Paper Mario is EXCELLENT, but the SNES has more and better RPG's, so I agree.

Balfa wrote:

Zelda: LttP 3 - 1 OoT & MM
(LttP is great, but OoT IS the best game of all time)

I'd go for OoT here!


Basically if you want to play games that look modern-ish, go for the N64,

Either way you won't be dissapointed

I'd go for the SNES: KillerInstinct, MarioAllstars/World/Yoshi, Starfox, SF2, MKart, too many to remember!!

dearg_doom

super_furry wrote:

I'd go for the SNES. Better games, much, much wider choice of titles and probably the best joypad ever designed. I didn't really like the N64 even when I bought it a few months after launch, it seems like a poor piece of hardware that just happened to be lucky enough to play host to a handful of truly great titles.

Heretic, burn him!!!

The N64 controller is better than working in Willie Wonka's chocolate factory!

dearg_doom

MobileInfantry wrote:

I always perfered the Mega Drive....but definately get a Nintendo 64, by far the best console in that particular round of the console wars.

Goldeneye, Zelda, Perfect Dark, Super Smash Bros, Killer Instinct, rogue Squadron.....so many amazing titles i love even today (at least, I did, until my console broke and I Sold all my carts....but still, roms are almost as good on the pc with a controller)

But to answer your question, I'd still say Both of them! Try as it might, the Mega Drive version of Street Fighter II just wasn't the same....

Although again i think mortal kombat on the Mega Drive was a much better game.....

lol... gore-whore!!

MK on the megadrive << SF2 and KI on the SNES

petes

I had both these machines (only now have n64 somewhere). Countless hours on both. Was reading a copy of retrogamer yesterday...mmmm secret of mana on the snes..classic and Street Fighter 2 Turbo..loved that..Mario Kart a must. Also Zelda:A Link to the Past.Loads of brilliant games on it.

N64. Goldeneye/Perfect Dark, Mario 64, Ocarina of Time, Banjo Kazooie/Tooie which I liked. Goldeneye is class multiplayer but also has a suberb 1 player game, especially if you want to hone you skills down to 2.05 minutes I think it was on Facility level. Loved it.

Feck it. Get both. Well worth it.

/me challenges anyone to game of Street Fighter 2 Turbo on Snes

eoinf

sceptre wrote:

Off-topic I'm afraid but I know you're just gagging for someone to ask. Number one on the list was?

They're both rather cheap so if you've a thing for old consoles you could just get both. The SNES back catalogue would indeed be much larger I suspect.

1a sex
1b drugs
1c rock 'n' roll

2 goldeneye

3 my maths teacher Miss Keoghan

TerrorFirmer

MK on the megadrive << SF2 and KI on the SNES

Yep, except there was a good port of SF2 on the MD, in fact if you had a 6 button controller it was perfect.

Mortal Kombat on the SNES was not very good, and there were more MK games on the Mega Drive.

Killer Instinct was cool though, very hard, great graphics.

Another cool fighter that was on both consoles I belive is FATAL FURY.

And - Mega Drive only - best 16 bit games EVER - The Streets of Rage Games. Multiplayer still stands up to the new games today.

super_furry

MobileInfantry wrote:

Yep, except there was a good port of SF2 on the MD, in fact if you had a 6 button controller it was perfect.

Yeah, I had both. Super Street Fighter 2 on the Megadrive was truly outstanding, and I could be literally anyone with Fei Long.

petes

Feck forgot about Killer Instinct..the most intricate of button pressing games. God them snes controllers were built to last. Remember Orchids 48hit combo. Feck me. Twas nice when you pulled that one off.

dearg_doom

MI-> yep SofRage were great games, I liked Shinobi too:)

But you know what it was like back then, whichever one you owned, you defended to the DEATH!!!

These richkids today, who have all three consoles a GBA and a PSP, know feck all about fanboi-ism at its purest back then!!

dearg_doom

petes wrote:

Feck forgot about Killer Instinct..the most intricate of button pressing games. God them snes controllers were built to last. Remember Orchids 48hit combo. Feck me. Twas nice when you pulled that one off.

**** YEAH!!

That game stole a couple of years of my life, and ruined my JC!

The game was so popular in arcades, it was cool it reminded me of what it used to be like during the SF2 heyday! (only I was too young to be a credible 'force' in SF2 at arcades because I was 8 or something!)

But KI was just in time!

I couldn't believe it when they did a SNES version as the whole mystique about the arcade machine was that it was basically an N64, 18months before they released it!

But the SNES version was a deadly port, it was a pure RARE labour of love, they even made improvements like changing your charachters colour on the Vs. screen and adding proper reflections in a couple of the levels with shiny floors.

And it was the only beat-em-up that I bothered to master ALL the charachters, ALL the combos, ALL the ultimates, ALL the deathmoves and beat the game with everyone, just to see the storyline:)

Retr0gamer

I think the highest was a 64-hit combo with orchid? could be wrong.

Presonally I think the SNES is the greatest console ever created. Mega Drive was good but everything looked nicer on the SNES and it also had some excellent exclusive games. The N64 had some classics but no where near as many as the SNES.

As for the best games:

Shoot'em ups:
Axelay: Developed by treasure before leaving Konami. The best shmup on the 16-bit systems. The mega drive had a better selection, but the SNES was better for Shmups because it had the daddy, Axelay

Contra 3: Excellent run and gun game by Treasure before they left Konami

Super Aleste: Just for the amazing level 2. The rest of the game is great as well.

UN Squadron

Action/Adventure:

The best game on the SNES, Super Metroid
Firemen: Great little game. Far more fun than you think it is and really impressive gfx.

RPG:

FFVI: Arguably the best in the series
FFV, FFIV
Secret of Mana
Saiken Deneitsu 3 (sp?)
Earthbound
Front Mission
Many more

Platform games:

Super Mario World, Yoshi's Island, Mario Allstars, Sparkster, Pop n' Twinbee

Racing:

Fzero
Mario Kart

I've left loads out but there really are far too many must play games on the SNES.

TerrorFirmer

But you know what it was like back then, whichever one you owned, you defended to the DEATH!!!

Yeah, I guess you are right about the different camps back then...! Great times.

Still, I think the greatest 16-bit games EVER were Streets or Rage 1 and 2, Mortal Kombat and maybe Zombies ate my neighbours on Snes/Genesis. Metal Marines on the Snes was a great one also, and who can forget:

Zero Tolerance on the Mega Drive!!!

The Snes only has a tatty and cheap rip off of Streets or Rage called "Final Fight"...it had some cool animations but generally it was terrible.

Retr0gamer

The Snes only has a tatty and cheap rip off of Streets or Rage called "Final Fight"...it had some cool animations but generally it was terrible.

What! SoR2 may have been better but Final Fight was still an excellent game. In fact SoR was a direct rip-off of Final Fight.

I also can't believe you like MK over the greatest fighting game ever, Street Fighter 2. Tut-tut.

Zero Tolerance was kind of cool on the mega drive especially because you could link 2 consoles together and play deathmatch. Still it was surpassed by Doom on the SNES.

God I wish I had a SNES and not a mega drive. At least the mega drive had Rocket Knight Adventures and the horrendously brilliant Gunstar Heroes.

dearg_doom

Retr0gamer wrote:

I think the highest was a 64-hit combo with orchid? could be wrong.

AFAIK the highest possible combo was Orchid's 48-hit Ultra on the SNES version.

On the arcade the highest official combo was Orchid's 48-hit Ultra too

The highest possible was Cinder's 32(?) hit Ultra, the loser is thrown up by his scissors-kick, then when he is falling, catch him with a QP Trailblazer and immediately after do a MK scissors-kick, lather, rinse repeat till your arms go tired! (IIRC you can do that trick after any combo which launches the opponent, but it's easier with the Ultra, you basically get 20 free hits;))

My highest was 70-something, but I think there was a cut-out at 90(?)

Retr0gamer

Was the 48 hitter the one where you had to catch the falling character with the triple fireball?

TerrorFirmer

What! SoR2 may have been better but Final Fight was still an excellent game. In fact SoR was a direct rip-off of Final Fight.

I thought SoR came out first, as it was a Genesis launch title? Well, if not, its still wayyyyy better in any case!

I also can't believe you like MK over the greatest fighting game ever, Street Fighter 2. Tut-tut.

Speaking of camps, over this particular rivalry are two huge camps! MK vs SF! Its a pity the newer Street Fighter games arent as popular, Mortal Kombat has survived the timetest very well though in the transition to 3D. Although the new 2D capcom releases are still very good, the newer 3D conversions arent great......Street Fighter Ex Alpha on the Psone was pretty cool though, great fun. I believe there is a Ex Alpha 3 on the PS2 now? Anyone played it?

the horrendously brilliant Gunstar Heroes

This is one of the most frantic games I have EVER played. Great stuff, it never gets old. Two player was great fun as well.

Zero Tolerance was kind of cool on the mega drive especially because you could link 2 consoles together and play deathmatch. Still it was surpassed by Doom on the SNES.

Yeah, but Doom was just a so and so port. Zero Tolerance was pretty oringinal in some of its ideas, especially the simple Squad based theme. Great stuff. Pity they never finished the sequel fully.

dearg_doom

Retr0gamer wrote:

horrendously brilliant Gunstar Heroes.

That was some game alright!

I never played Final Fight, I think after SF2, all bet-em-up's were ruined to me for a few years!

For me the SNES wins hands down, I mean the first proper(fun) 3-d multipayer racer (MarioKart) [VR was ****e], and the daddy of 1994 3-d, Starfox!!

You could literally *feel* the polygons:)

TerrorFirmer

Yeah, I never liked the idea behind Starfox, but it was a cool game.

Ever play F-22 Interceptor on the Mega Drive? Its one of the few fully 3D games available for it. Horribly slow and jumpy though, but still an enjoyable affair.

dearg_doom

Retr0gamer wrote:

Was the 48 hitter the one where you had to catch the falling character with the triple fireball?

Yep:D


last kick of a helicopter kick (FK)[1], straight into 3 helicopterkicks(FK) one after the other, some linker(CAN'T remember), ultra, then the loser is launched so you catch him on the way down with a QP-projectile(lasi-ken?)

Looked slick alright, but was one of the most frustrating combo's I've ever tried, it's up there with VF4 at the moment!

The Bollox

dearg_doom wrote:

MI-> yep SofRage were great games, I liked Shinobi too:)

But you know what it was like back then, whichever one you owned, you defended to the DEATH!!!

These richkids today, who have all three consoles a GBA and a PSP, know feck all about fanboi-ism at its purest back then!!

oh how I remember that! one of my friends had a Mega Drive and the other had a SNES, I went and got myself a SNES too but its really had to say which was better, I mean I haven't playes Streets Of Rage in AGES but I really wanna! it kicked ass! and also there was a batman game too, I remember it being rock hard! it has been about 8 yrs at least since I played it, but I remember something like the second boss, possibly cat woman, and a crane grab thing that keeps trying to hit you its just a pity I can't quite remember

but now onto the SNES, lets see, games that took my life were:
Crash Dummies: there might have been a subtitle to it, all I remember was that every time you got hit, you lost a limb!
WWF Royal Rumble: this had all the classic fighters you rarely hear of anymore: Sean Michaels, Bret (the hitman) Heart, Tatanka (I think ), Rick Flair, Mr. Perfect etc... but the great thing was, they didn't have the big stoopid 'special moves' the wrestlers today has, I mean Mr. Perfect had the Perfect Plex, Bret Heart had the Sharpshooter and Rick Flair had the figure 4 leg lock!
Mortal Kombat II: not this, in my opinion, was the quintecential Mortal Kombat, it had all the gore that the other SNES titles lacked (the first had none, and 3 and ultimate were stupid!) it looked awesome! and you could make the corpse fall from the spikes on the second stage
but my top SNES games are Super Metroid and Mega-Man X these game I play to this day!, I choose those games over X-box games, pc games, PSII games, Game Cube games..... the list goes on

hergo, in my book, SNES rules all!

petes

dearg_doom wrote:

Yep:D


last kick of a helicopter kick (FK)[1], straight into 3 helicopterkicks(FK) one after the other, some linker(CAN'T remember), ultra, then the loser is launched so you catch him on the way down with a QP-projectile(lasi-ken?)

Looked slick alright, but was one of the most frustrating combo's I've ever tried, it's up there with VF4 at the moment!

Best part is playing against a mate and you mange to pull it off. Smug mode!!!

Quick thing. Are there any clubs or events(like lans) in Ireland for competitions and the like. Apart from lan best multiplayer was on N64 and Snes imo.

Retr0gamer

My favourite Killer Instinct moment was fluking an Ultra Combo against my friend after playing for 3 days and then pretending I was a master of the game and could pull it off any time I wanted

As for Final Fight SoR was out before the SNES version but Final Fight was out in the arcades a good bit before it. The game demands respect. Because of its success the designer behind it got the go ahead from Capcom to make a little known game called Street Fighter 2

MK2 was a great game (not as good as SF2) and the SNES version was definitely the best home console conversion. The Mega Drive version was diabolical. All the juggle combos were taken out of the mega drive version. Disgraceful.

The new 2D Capcom games are far better than the new MK's but the 3D EX games are terrible. They don't play like Capcom fighting games at all.

dearg_doom

Have you played VF4?

I never really 'got' 3-d fighters, they always seemed unnecessary (and therefore crap) to me, no tactics. But VF4 is class it's very complicated in a ProEvo kind of way, it rewards practice nicely.

Retr0gamer

I'd say I haven't played VF4 enough. It is brilliant isn't it. It's a crying shame when thrash like Tekken outsells it considerably.

The Bollox

but Dead Or Alive pwns them both

Slash/ED

Oh god you've all made me go and really really start missing my Snes, I had all the classics (Plus a platformer called B.O.B. that nobody else had, that my ma of all people got off someone randomly, that absolutley ruled )

I'm actually looking at my Snes right now, it's been in the same corner for years now. The controll pads seem to be missing but I wonder, apart from that, does it still work. I may try and fire it up later

eoinf

petes wrote:

Feck forgot about Killer Instinct..the most intricate of button pressing games. God them snes controllers were built to last. Remember Orchids 48hit combo. Feck me. Twas nice when you pulled that one off.

was that the kombo that made her flash the oponnent. they oponnent dieing cause his eyes fell out of their sockets.

what a classic

dearg_doom

eoinf wrote:

was that the kombo that made her flash the oponnent. they oponnent dieing cause his eyes fell out of their sockets.

what a classic

haha yeah that was THE original 'Lara Croft' in teh nude rumour!

I think it was an Ultimate, though it could have been a death move...

The Bollox

dearg_doom wrote:

haha yeah that was THE original 'Lara Croft' in teh nude rumour!

I think it was an Ultimate, though it could have been a death move...

that was her finisher, I don't think it was part of a combo tho

Retr0gamer

Some finishing moves could be preformed mid combo. the flash deathmove was one of them. Fluked that one as well

Balfa

corblimey wrote:

Nice post, Balfa, but being a Nintendo noob, there are a hell of a lot of acronyms I don't understand there.

Ah, sorry about that.
The Balfa Glossary! in order of appearance:

RPG = Role Playing Game
SNES = Super Nintendo Entertainment System
LttP = A Link To The Past
OoT = Ocarina Of Time
MM = Majora's Mask
SF2 = Street Fighter 2
SSBM = Super Smash Bros Melee
NHL = National Hocket League
PES = Pro Evolution Soccer
FPS = First Person Shooter

dearg_doom wrote:

Not a close battle at all imo, SMK is the best console racer of all time, EVER.

Heh, my opinion exactly, as you'll see in the thread i linked. But there were lots of weirdos in that thread thinking MK64 was better! :O

dearg_doom wrote:

The N64 controller is better than working in Willie Wonka's chocolate factory!

The SNES controller is the best built controller ever. The thing was mad durable and the d-pad was the most precise i've ever used. It was easier for me to pull off Zangief's spinning pile driver using this pad than it was for me in the arcade
As for the N64. It has the worst controller i've ever touched. Including xbox and sega master system. Horrible design that left one third of it unuseable no matter what you put your hands. And the analogue stick was really loose and felt like it would snap like a twig.


And to the megadriv0rs and the Kill0r Instinct0rs, keep on topic!!

The Bollox

Balfa wrote:

As for the N64. It has the worst controller i've ever touched. Including xbox and sega master system. Horrible design that left one third of it unuseable no matter what you put your hands. And the analogue stick was really loose and felt like it would snap like a twig.

I agree on a level, and thats the analogue part, but the N64 was the first console to utilise that so it was only natural to have a defect, but appart from that the controller, imo, was the best controller ever made, maybe not the most durable (SNES wins outright), but the easiest to use, once you got used to it, it was primarilly a FPS controller, as if it was made souly for Goldeneye, but it was still really easy to use for games like MK64, but it fell at the beat 'em up sector, I only played one varient of BEU on the 64, and that was wrestling, and the controller sucked at that, but it was great for every other game, although it didn't stand up to a good button-basher, such as myself, because the analogue stick ALWAYS came loose, and that ****ed up all the games

Crucifix

Marts wrote:

I agree on a level, and thats the analogue part, but the N64 was the first console to utilise that so it was only natural to have a defect, but appart from that the controller, imo, was the best controller ever made, maybe not the most durable (SNES wins outright), but the easiest to use, once you got used to it, it was primarilly a FPS controller, as if it was made souly for Goldeneye, but it was still really easy to use for games like MK64, but it fell at the beat 'em up sector, I only played one varient of BEU on the 64, and that was wrestling, and the controller sucked at that, but it was great for every other game, although it didn't stand up to a good button-basher, such as myself, because the analogue stick ALWAYS came loose, and that ****ed up all the games

I never really liked the N64 controller. Disliking the X box one aswell I'm tempted to just damn all the big pads, but I found the Dreamcasts hulking gamepad fantastic, so it's not size alone.

The Bollox

Crucifix wrote:

I never really liked the N64 controller. Disliking the X box one aswell I'm tempted to just damn all the big pads, but I found the Dreamcasts hulking gamepad fantastic, so it's not size alone.

ok, hold the phone, the Xbox controller is probably THE best one, its brilliant for FPS, strategy, racing, all its not good for is beat 'em up's, and the Dreamcast controller is definitly one of the worst, its WAY too big with WAY to little buttons on it! its just a load of b0ll0x!

Retr0gamer

Marts wrote:

ok, hold the phone, the Xbox controller is probably THE best one, its brilliant for FPS, strategy, racing, all its not good for is beat 'em up's, and the Dreamcast controller is definitly one of the worst, its WAY too big with WAY to little buttons on it! its just a load of b0ll0x!

You sir, are crazy if you if you like the xbox pad.

Just got an N64 yesterday and I have to say the rose tinted glasses came off. The blur is horrible but some of that is down to using the terrible Gamecube AV composite cable and the slowdown from all PAL conversions except the Rare ones is terrible. Still the games are great.