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  • 05-03-2005 9:17pm
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    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 18,823 Mod ✭✭✭✭


    Hi,

    Am getting quotes for a front porch/small conservatory.

    It is approx 6ft X 6ft and will only have two sides as it will adjoining existing side of house and adjoined converted garage.

    Spec is as follows

    Toughened K Glass throughout inc. roof, PVC Doubleglazed, pouring of floor and tiling floor (price of tiles exc), installation of 2 double sockets, construction of small base wall (approx. 1ft), chipping off of pebble dash on side out house and replastering to nap finish, it will of course include a new front door

    Getting quotes of about €10k

    How does this sound??
    Anyone had anything similar done recently with any advise?

    Appreciate any comments or advise

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  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 5,070 Mod ✭✭✭✭kadman


    So we are looking at an L shaped building. Are there any top sashes, or full opening sashes in the pvc panels. I assume if there are openings, they have full security fittings, as opposed to single locking mechanisms. And is the door a three point or 5 point system, lean to roof I assume, and what colour is the pvc. Very hard to guess at the pricing, but given the expense of materials alone , k glass is expensive. Does that price include all flashing prep on two walls, and gutter downpipes ect,, Dwarf wall being only a foot high does give you a larger panel than normal. So does n't sound too bad. :)

    kadman :)


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 18,823 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    Okay then, need to flesh out a bit more

    It not L shaped, there's a better view in the attached file.
    There will be two "sides" and a door, each side will have two openings at the top. The roof is as per attachment, kinda 3 triangles to one high point.
    One side will be 6 foot, the other 5 foot, door will be typical size.
    The construction will be white double glazed PVC, engineered and all glass sealed into frame - so noone could pop the glass out for arguement sake.
    Door/opening security is not high on the agenda as I will still have the "front door" which is fully secure.
    All prep work included and all parts/labour to finished porch - I supply the tiles, that is the limit, oh and I will paint the insides.
    Have seen previous work of folk and that is not an issue.

    6/7 days from beginning to end.

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  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 5,070 Mod ✭✭✭✭kadman


    Of course you are paying a bit extra for the complexity of the roof as opposed to a normal lean to.

    Why are the panels glazings engineered to prevent it popping out, but you dont feel the need to secure your opening fan sashes nor door. A person may find it harder to enter through your existing front door, but if he gains access to your porch, he then can work in relatively un disturbed in the confines of your porch, on your front door.
    Seems false economy not to secure your openings or your new door as efficiently as possible. Surely 5 point locking on the door, and espags on the sash , would not have a major impact on cost,

    And if your glazed panels are engineered into the frame. How difficult is it to replace.All in all price is around normal I would imagine.

    :) kadman


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 18,823 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    The example of not being able to pop out the glass was more illustrative rather than security geared.

    The openings will have the typical single lock mechanism and the door I have yet to discuss in great detail but 3 or 5 should have little impact on costs as you suggested so I'll go for that.

    Security is not an issue because in a nice little estate that has no record of break ins and her indoors is home during the day, We've accidently left the front door wide open from time to time and not a bother.
    I've been broken into previously in other cities so its why I pay my insurance, I will go to all reasonable limits but if someone is determined to break it, let em off.

    Engineered panels seem to be the way of the more recommended fitter from folk I've talked to/had a look at previous work.
    I will enquire about difficutlies re replacement, good point

    Tks for pointers, any other comments available from folk recently been through conservatory/porch build??

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 223 ✭✭pollyantic


    I would do some more shopping around if i were you.
    Get at least 5 different quotes and show if the next quoters price is higher than the previous then haggle and kep haggleing. I think you should be able to half that price.


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  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 5,070 Mod ✭✭✭✭kadman


    pollyantic wrote:
    I. I think you should be able to half that price.

    Well given the complexity of the type of arrangement intended,and expense of particular materials chosen, I would be stunned if he could half that price.

    Taken individually, there are a number of factors that increase the cost of this particular layout as opposed to a normal 6x6 lean to.

    Build wise.
    No1.. There is an an unequal layout 6x5, which takes more setting out to achieve a good aesthetic appearence.
    No.2 This again reflects itself in the roof development, which gives rise to an unequal hip arrangement, if the hip rafter is chosen to be installed direct to the corner, this results in any angular cuts not being 45 degrees, again wasteful on materials, more time to cut . If the rafter is chosen to install at 45 degree, this results in a short ridge arrangement, again this can be awkward in a small area.
    No 3. Directly engineered glazing panels for security, would probably require toughened units in the panels, from the point of view of the difficulty in replacing a broken one. Toughened units are expensive.

    Material wise.
    No.!.. The choice of roof glass ,which would be toughened K glass, is expensive, coupled with three triangular units, probably doubles the price of the glass. Shaped units are costly for double glazed manufacturers to produce. Coupled with the additional work of the installer to make plywood templates for the glass, is all more labour intensive.
    No.2 As well as glass, the two side units, are far higher than a normal porch arrangement, because the dwarf wall is only 300 mm high. Normally dwarf walls would be 3-4 rows of block, so increased k glass of 20+ sq feet is not cheap.

    So material cost is going to be significant, even for a self build. So given that a legal contractor's significant cost of insurance ect on top of that, I could see no way that he could get all that done for 5k, 7 days work for two men alone would be 2k plus. Any reputable contractor doing that type of work for 5k won't be around too long.

    kadman :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 223 ✭✭pollyantic


    kadman wrote:
    Well given the complexity of the type of arrangement intended,and expense of particular materials chosen, I would be stunned if he could half that price.

    Taken individually, there are a number of factors that increase the cost of this particular layout as opposed to a normal 6x6 lean to.

    Build wise.
    No1.. There is an an unequal layout 6x5, which takes more setting out to achieve a good aesthetic appearence.
    No.2 This again reflects itself in the roof development, which gives rise to an unequal hip arrangement, if the hip rafter is chosen to be installed direct to the corner, this results in any angular cuts not being 45 degrees, again wasteful on materials, more time to cut . If the rafter is chosen to install at 45 degree, this results in a short ridge arrangement, again this can be awkward in a small area.
    No 3. Directly engineered glazing panels for security, would probably require toughened units in the panels, from the point of view of the difficulty in replacing a broken one. Toughened units are expensive.

    Material wise.
    No.!.. The choice of roof glass ,which would be toughened K glass, is expensive, coupled with three triangular units, probably doubles the price of the glass. Shaped units are costly for double glazed manufacturers to produce. Coupled with the additional work of the installer to make plywood templates for the glass, is all more labour intensive.
    No.2 As well as glass, the two side units, are far higher than a normal porch arrangement, because the dwarf wall is only 300 mm high. Normally dwarf walls would be 3-4 rows of block, so increased k glass of 20+ sq feet is not cheap.

    So material cost is going to be significant, even for a self build. So given that a legal contractor's significant cost of insurance ect on top of that, I could see no way that he could get all that done for 5k, 7 days work for two men alone would be 2k plus. Any reputable contractor doing that type of work for 5k won't be around too long.

    kadman :)


    Lets say the labour is €2.5K . That makes 6x6 of materials 7.5K then.

    Cost of this structure is €3000 per square meter.
    Thats a lot for a porch.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,031 ✭✭✭lomb


    yes there is something wrong with the cost of the materials, seems very expensive to me- maybe i should start manufacturing conservatory frames :rolleyes:


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 5,070 Mod ✭✭✭✭kadman


    pollyantic wrote:
    Lets say the labour is €2.5K . That makes 6x6 of materials 7.5K then.

    Cost of this structure is €3000 per square meter.
    Thats a lot for a porch.

    Pollyantic.

    Well judging by your estimates , where are you going to buy materials for 2.5k. You said you reckon 5k should do it.

    Your not doing self build here , this guy got a quote for a contractors price, not self build. Self build is one thing, contractors price is something entirely different. A contractors price includes elements that a self build does not.

    So 2.5k for labour Polly,
    Now you have 2.5 left.

    Now you have to buy the most expensive glass available, 3 manufactured screens, not windows, screens. They are above 1.2 in height so they need internal re-inforcing. All the ground works materials, lead flashing, expensive stuff, rainwater gutters, gullys, drain connections.

    A door alone in pvc, is far more expensive than aluminium. All electric work materials. Then you have to buy aluminium extruded rafters, clips, bolts, end preps. Aluminium extruded eaves beam, aluminium extruded, ventilated ridge section, maybe. Rubber gaskets, pvc capping bars, rawl fittings.

    So Pollyantic your 2.5k has to buy all the above, +2.5k labour ==your 5k.
    Whats left to pay for two most significant points that you require when you get a contractor to do a job. Guarantee, and insurance, not too mention his profit. After all, he is expected to make a profit isn't he. You should check out public liability costs insurance. Two years ago I worked as an architectural joiner/ cad designer for a midlands based company, and his insurance for 3 joiners was 30k per year. By that reckoning you would have to allow for 1.2 k for insurance.
    You are left with 2.5 labour, 1.2 insurance....1.3 by your reckoning for materials..

    Methinks not. :):)

    One thing you both seem to forget is size is not always relative to cost. Its as labour intensive to make 300mmm wide window as a 900 mm window, doesn't necessarily mean there is an exact correlation between the price


    Lomb.

    So how much do you think it should cost from a contractor, closer to 5k, or 10k, and why.
    Well when you set up in business and start manufacturing them, and installing , and guaranteeing, them, let me know. I reckon I could keep you going full time for 5k a pop, I'll even draw them for free. :)

    kadman


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 5,070 Mod ✭✭✭✭kadman


    lomb wrote:
    yes there is something wrong with the cost of the materials, seems very expensive to me- maybe i should start manufacturing conservatory frames :rolleyes:

    Jesus, at the price your charging for two man days labour security installation , your conserveratory labour would n't come in under 5k :D:D

    kadman :)


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 223 ✭✭pollyantic


    I would think €2.5k labour is on the generous side for the labour, so you would have much more to spend on your materials.
    While i'm not going to trawl the net looking for the materials prices (slave1 should do this anyway for their own peace of mind) i will tell you to go down to B & Q in Liffey Valley and see what they have to offer in conservatories.
    They'll even build them for you for an extra €2 - 3K.

    Is slave1 happy about paying €1,200 for insurance to build their conservatory?

    Also, its 7 days solid work here.

    Day 1 : 4 hours to dig foundations and fill (if even that, and 1 man can do this).
    Day 2 : 3 hours to take out pebbledash. 2 hours to pour concrete for floors (again a 1 man job).
    Day 3 : 4 hours to add your 1 foot high wall (another 1 man job).
    Day 4 : 7.5 hours Attach glass and fix roof guttering etc (2 man job).
    Day 5 : 7.5 hours Sockets and plastering (1 man job).
    Day 6 : 7.5 Skimming and cleanup (1 man job)

    I make that a total of 4.5 days give or take with only one day requiring 2 men.

    I'm not knocking you if you can get €10K for doing a job like this :) , but it really is buyer beware with the prices builders are chargeing now.

    As Mary Hearney says. 'Shop around' :)


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 5,070 Mod ✭✭✭✭kadman


    pollyantic wrote:
    I would think €2.5k labour is on the generous side for the labour, so you would have much more to spend on your materials.
    While i'm not going to trawl the net looking for the materials prices (slave1 should do this anyway for their own peace of mind) i will tell you to go down to B & Q in Liffey Valley and see what they have to offer in conservatories.
    They'll even build them for you for an extra €2 - 3K.

    Is slave1 happy about paying €1,200 for insurance to build their conservatory?

    Also, its 7 days solid work here.

    Day 1 : 4 hours to dig foundations and fill (if even that, and 1 man can do this).
    Day 2 : 3 hours to take out pebbledash. 2 hours to pour concrete for floors (again a 1 man job).
    Day 3 : 4 hours to add your 1 foot high wall (another 1 man job).
    Day 4 : 7.5 hours Attach glass and fix roof guttering etc (2 man job).
    Day 5 : 7.5 hours Sockets and plastering (1 man job).
    Day 6 : 7.5 Skimming and cleanup (1 man job)

    I make that a total of 4.5 days give or take with only one day requiring 2 men.

    I'm not knocking you if you can get €10K for doing a job like this :) , but it really is buyer beware with the prices builders are chargeing now.

    As Mary Hearney says. 'Shop around' :)

    Pollyantic.

    Do you know the price of Kglass a sq m.
    Do you know the price of aluminium extrude , rafters, eaves beam, ridge beam.
    I think you are generalising about the price.
    Make out a proper costing, with out leaving out items, as you have done.

    You seem to be missing the whole point here. Does he want a self build, or a contractor build. If he wants a contractor build, he has no choice , nor does the contractor, but to pay for the insurance costs. It has to be part of the contractors costs.

    Its obvious from your breakdown, that you have not researched your information enough. If he has received a quote from a contractor, its to fit specialised purpose made conserveratory components, not B&Q flat pack .

    B&Q, to my knowledge, feel free to correct me on this, do not make individual customer order components.

    What about the manufacturing costs of the pvc side panes and door , you seem to have forgot them, in your breakdown costs.

    And what about the roof materials, and fabrication, and the shaped K glass components.,

    And what about scaffold do B&Q give that away free.

    So what is your point, you keep comparing a self build strategy, with a contractors price, they are not the same thing.

    You have missed a lot of significant areas in your breakdown, and I believe that if you did your research more thorough , you would realise that it would be impossible to make this job at 5k. I dont understand how you can compare B&Q materials and a purpose manufactured product, for one thing the wall thickness may not be as thick as a standard extrusion.

    BTW I am not a building contractor, am not self employed and do not quote for conserveratory manufacturing or installation. But I have spent 20+ years in building construction/ joinery.Including conserveratory manufacture and installation in , solid hardwood, pvc, aluminium. So I would feel that I am knowledgeable enough to discuss this topic.

    I'm not knocking you either :) , but its really a question of research your topic :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 223 ✭✭pollyantic


    Since you know so much about the breakdown and cost of the materials then you can perhaps provide us with the costs of the materials needed.
    Also please provide web links for the supply.

    I'm sure slave1 would be interested to know where he can source these materials and then pay a builder for the labour.

    Believe it or not you don't always have to ordershaped K glass components etc.
    There will be plenty of off the shelf components that can be bought.

    How high do you think this porch is going to be that it will need scaffolding? I bet, two barrels and a couple of planks are what the builder uses there.

    My point here is that builders/contractors will double the price just to line their pockets.
    Thats fine if the victim is willing to pay for this, but there are far too many rip-offs going on in Ireland.


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 5,070 Mod ✭✭✭✭kadman


    pollyantic wrote:
    Since you know so much about the breakdown and cost of the materials then you can perhaps provide us with the costs of the materials needed.
    Also please provide web links for the supply.

    I'm sure slave1 would be interested to know where he can source these materials and then pay a builder for the labour.

    Believe it or not you don't always have to ordershaped K glass components etc.
    There will be plenty of off the shelf components that can be bought.

    How high do you think this porch is going to be that it will need scaffolding? I bet, two barrels and a couple of planks are what the builder uses there.

    My point here is that builders/contractors will double the price just to line their pockets.
    Thats fine if the victim is willing to pay for this, but there are far too many rip-offs going on in Ireland.


    Well at the risk of repeating myself Pollyantic , you cant just walk into B&Q , and then ask them to supply you with a shaped triangular unit, with a 90 degree, 47 degree, 43 degree angles to match an offset hip. Try it.

    As I repeatedly stated before in my posts, a self build price is different to a contractors price. I assume the quote he got was from a contractor. An efficient contractor, would not could not should not allow his employees to use beer barrels as a safe means of scaffold. His insurance would not cover it , and health and safety inspectors would severley penalise him if caught. And I dont think a competent contractor would risk all that for 8-10k.

    You seem to be such an expert of b&q's materials for this build, you supply an appropriate ist of off the shelf units from them , suitable for this conserveratory.

    You keep avoiding any point I bring up about your omissions in your breakdown cost, please clarify your omissions
    You keep avoiding the issue of self build costs are not the same as contractors cost. Please clarify if you are talking about self build or contractor, slave ! is looking at a contractor build, as far as I am aware.

    As for your statement that builders and contractors double the price, how can you justify that statement in this context. Are you saying you could get a contractor to do this for 5K, or are you saying that you could do it for 5k your self. And please answer the questions directly. Do the math a contractor could not possibly do this for 5k, pay all his costs, and make a profit. :confused:

    Any point I have made so far , is made based on experience of 20 years . What basis are your assumptions that this can be contractor done for 5k.
    I've noted my bona fidas in relation to my knowledge base, please do the same, what construction experience have you. :confused:

    And then you want me to supply a bill of quantities free of charge, where are you going to get that foc.

    Why do I need to spend time giving web links to sites for material costs, when you give a misleading labour breakdown, and then leave out significant elements of it. You seem to assume that any builder could fabricate an aluminium roof install eaves and ridge beams to suit an offset hip, and then install roof glass and capping bars to suit. Unless you have experience of fabricating aluminium roofs, and allowing the appropriate tolerences between the glass, your ordinary builder should not go near it. It is a specialised field, ouside the realms of the backstreet builder.

    If you do not know any of the material costs involved , or indeed the proper scope of works involved, how can you say it should only cost 5k.

    So if I come down to your house , and install your conserveratory on two beer barrels, and then fall off , end up in hospital and you tell me I'm not insured. I'll just sue the rrr's off ya. :D:D

    This time answer my points raised :mad:

    kadman :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,497 ✭✭✭rooferPete


    Hi Pollyantic,

    From reading your posts I think I could be forgiven for coming to the conclusion that you had a bad experience with small building contractor.

    I was looking at the breakdown you supplied, where may I ask will any contractor find a man or woman to work for a half days pay ?

    The breakdown does not take into account travelling time for the employee to get to work, set up, do the work and in my book the most important clean up before he leaves the work site.

    It also does not take into account that under Health and Safety Regulations, the very ones that Mary Hearney voted in, there are very few jobs that one person is allowed to do alone.

    I know this is a DIY forum full of consumers, but I am also a consumer, to remain a consumer I must earn money, not work for the love of work.

    Maybe if the cost was broken down in a more general way it might make sense, A 30 sq feet building at house building rates would cost around €150-00 per sq ft = €4,500-00.

    I hope the contractor does not read this because he may decide to walk away when he can get the same rate per sq ft for a 1200 sq ft house.

    The economies of scale alone make the price of this job very fair, I have been to B&Q and I can assure you they do not supply what would pass as good materials for a contractor to present to a customer.

    Five estimates or quotes is the wrong way to approach any job because each contractor can provide costings for different quality materials, especially in this type of work because there is a huge variety of products available.

    The most important thing to do is make sure you are comparing like with like, so provide each contractor with a specification to price.

    BTW, any person found using beer barrels will be charged with theft or receiving stolen goods, and that is not a joke.


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 5,070 Mod ✭✭✭✭kadman


    Does that mean you won't be tendering for this lucrative contract then Rooferpete.. :D:D :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

    kadman :D


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 18,823 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    mmmm interesting
    whilst being handy enough to tackle most DIY jobs up to electrics I would not contemplate doing this myself because it's too critical to the appearance of the house and the materials would be too expensive for me to fook around with.
    I am a shopper around big time.
    Sometimes you are better off paying slightly over the odds and getting exactly what you wanted, compared to going a cheaper route and having to drive the car every day for the rest of my life into the driveway only to see a Homer construction.
    There would be no learning curve for me if I tacked this myself because it will be a first/last conservatory/porch for me.
    Finishing touches sometimes require passing over to the professionals and the guy I have in mind at the minute is a hard hands on worker and quality is tasty.
    I'll let you know how I get on, there are 2 more guys to call and quote and then I'll go back to the best two to get firm quotes and haggle.

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  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 5,070 Mod ✭✭✭✭kadman


    What ever route you choose, I think you have reached a conclusion about what you expect to receive for your hard earned dosh.
    You said yourself you are willing to spend a little extra to get exactly what you want in quality , and appearence.

    Good judgement in my book :D Let us know how you get on.

    kadman :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,683 ✭✭✭Carpenter


    Day 1 : 4 hours to dig foundations and fill (if even that, and 1 man can do this).



    Are you joking 4 hours to dig and fill (can i have that man,s ph number pls) :D


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 5,070 Mod ✭✭✭✭kadman


    pollyantic wrote:

    Day 5 : 7.5 hours Sockets and plastering (1 man job).


    QUOTE]

    Now would that be a plasterer with a RECI cert. :):)

    kadman :D


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,497 ✭✭✭rooferPete


    Hi Kadman,

    No dis-respect intended to Slave1 but I would not dream of undertaking such a project without an Architects Specification and possibly a much higher price.

    I think where Pollyantic and many of the general public can and do make mistakes in comparing costs on a project like this is the materials proposed, in a lot of these type of jobs I see twin and triple panel polycarbonate used.

    We did fit two conservatory type roofs as rooflights on a building, the cost for fitting to prepared opes was in excess of twenty thousand pounds per unit, now they were not your standard units but the quality was brilliant.

    At the time similar looking units could be bought for around five thousand pounds, the difference was equal to chalk and cheese.

    Regarding my posts and the works I will undertake, perhaps some of the other visitors would clarify that I am not available for some six months, also when I can I do refer tradesmen direct to deal direct when I can.

    I would appreciate if the people who think I am taking advantage of boards.ie as cheap advertising to have the guts to use email addresses that I can reply to.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 223 ✭✭pollyantic


    kadman wrote:
    pollyantic wrote:

    Day 5 : 7.5 hours Sockets and plastering (1 man job).


    QUOTE]

    Now would that be a plasterer with a RECI cert. :):)

    kadman :D


    I dont know does he? You'ld have to ask Slave1 what qualifications the contractor supplies.
    Whether he does or not though its 2 x 6ft wide walls, one with a door in it. Hardly a job at all. Simple job, cert or not.

    Seems to me, You're still trying to inflate the price of a simple job there :)
    And i'm trying to deflate it :)

    I think we'll never agree :o


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 5,070 Mod ✭✭✭✭kadman


    Hi Rooferpete,

    It seems that regardless of what quote a person gets , they immediately think they are being ripped off, why. They have little or no experience of the overall issues, materials, complexities, involved with the job, because they do not have the experience to assess it. I agree Rooferpete that comparing B&Q products to top of the range materials is like comparing Da Vinci's work to a painter and decorators. Self builders if you are going down this route you have to realise that you cannot bypass professional involvement. You need an architects skill, you need professional management of your build, and you need professional tradesmen, whether they are contractors, or next door neighbours, there is no point employing cowboys.

    Hi Pollyantic,

    Well you are still missing the point here . You should look at the drawing slave1 posted, and read the posts, its not an l shape, its a 3 sided plan, 2 panels , one door set at an angle.
    Yes it is a simple job....to experienced professionals. Thats what professionals do they make these jobs look simple to build, thats why they do it in half the time , and better than cow boys. Thats why you pay them more than cowboys.

    I could have no benefit of inflating this price, I am not a builder, contractor. This forum is for giving people the benefit of my experience and knowledge of building construction, and for other like minded professionals to do the same...to people like you, who have very little experience on the subject. What you choose to do , and whether you believe it is entirely up to you.

    As I said before , if you get someone to do this for 5k let me know, I'd be very interested to see it.

    Well we will agree to disagree, :):)

    kadman :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 223 ✭✭pollyantic


    Yes i did look at the drawing and as i said, there are 2 x 6 ft wide walls to be plastered. They dont have to plaster the glass


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 5,070 Mod ✭✭✭✭kadman


    kadman wrote:
    pollyantic wrote:

    Day 5 : 7.5 hours Sockets and plastering (1 man job).


    QUOTE]

    Now would that be a plasterer with a RECI cert. :):)

    kadman :D

    I think you are missing the intended sarcasm here. Registered ElectriCal Contracrors In Ireland, tend to stick to electrical work. And plasterers stick to plastering.

    So what 1 man are we talking about , a plastering sparks, or a sparky plasterer.

    And here endeth the lesson.......please. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

    kadman :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 223 ✭✭pollyantic


    kadman wrote:
    kadman wrote:

    I think you are missing the intended sarcasm here. Registered ElectriCal Contracrors In Ireland, tend to stick to electrical work. And plasterers stick to plastering.

    So what 1 man are we talking about , a plastering sparks, or a sparky plasterer.

    And here endeth the lesson.......please. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

    kadman :)


    Like i said,
    I dont know or dont care what qualification the Plasterer or an electrician have.
    Simple job for even a builder without any sort of qualification to do.
    1 Man job is all it is. Don't tell me you've never come across a builder who can .... ghasp! .... Wire a couple of sockets AND plaster :cool:
    Don't be trying to use sarcasm to inflate the price :)
    Its a ridiculous price that they are charging this guy.

    Next we'll be needing a window cleaner with a Bsc to clean the windows :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,497 ✭✭✭rooferPete


    pollyantic wrote:
    kadman wrote:



    Simple job for even a builder without any sort of qualification to do.
    1 Man job is all it is. Don't tell me you've never come across a builder who can .... ghasp! .... Wire a couple of sockets AND plaster :cool:
    Don't be trying to use sarcasm to inflate the price :)
    Its a ridiculous price that they are charging this guy.

    Next we'll be needing a window cleaner with a Bsc to clean the windows :)

    Hi Pollyantic,

    I think the above explains the difference between DIY, the Handyman and the Contractor.

    DIY if the plaster is not a nice finish he can stand back and say "not bad",
    if the sockets are a little iffy that's ok just don't run the dishwasher while the water feature in the porch is running.

    Handyman, well the plaster work is near enough, that socket is wired and the cable is in so call an electrician when your ready sure he has gizmos that show where the problem is.

    Contractor, (To Plasterer) if you don't get that finish perfect you are not getting paid.

    To Electrician, Is all working properly ? write up the cert and I'll sort out the cheque for you.

    The Contractor is your quality control, to control quality he must have at least the basic knowledge of all the trades employed, if the job is below standard the contractor does not get paid.

    So your plaster finish, internal and external must be finished properly, and there can not be any doubts regarding the electrical work, that is why we have RECI approved electricians, they must be qualified and insured.

    RECI do have a service where they will send out an inspector to issue the certificate regardless of who fits the installation, but that service costs about €250-00 and you only get the cert if the work is to standard.

    Still think the contractor has it easy ?

    Would you put your home on the line everytime you undertake to build a porch ?


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 5,070 Mod ✭✭✭✭kadman


    pollyantic wrote:
    kadman wrote:




    Next we'll be needing a window cleaner with a Bsc to clean the windows :)

    What do you want a window cleaner for, if you went down the proper route, and got professionals to glaze your windows, and not diy cowboys, they would have fitted self cleaning glass for you.

    I kid you not, check it out.

    kadman :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 655 ✭✭✭Macy


    kadman wrote:
    It seems that regardless of what quote a person gets , they immediately think they are being ripped off, why.
    Because people are ripped off, and when they get a quote that's more than they thought they automatically ask around. Don't blame the people, blame the cowboys that cause the situation.

    I mean we had a quote for our house build, told him he was way over, and he was able to knock €40k off straight away with no explaination (still not enough to match who we got, and the spec was better with who went with too!). He'd still be making a profit on the price he gave, but 40k less than he would've of if I'd been a mug and brought his sales patter or just simply not known enough to see that his spec wasn't as good.

    Personally, I think that's a lot for what it is, and what it could be used for...


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 223 ✭✭pollyantic


    Macy wrote:
    Personally, I think that's a lot for what it is, and what it could be used for...


    Ditto


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