Odd question.

kirn

ok.
I need to loose a stone in 15 days.
is it possible to do it healthily?

i need some sort of program, does anyone have any ideas?

i'm currently 13st and 5" 9' i need to get to 12st by the 18th of march.

obviously i'd go off beer, any kind of sweets, and cigarettes.

any help much appriciated.


K

seamus

Male or Female (God, I hate to ask that question)?

Would you consider yourself overweight?

Possible? Possibly
Healthy? Not really.

If you're already overweight, a change in diet will, within the first week, lose you up to 7lbs (0.5 stone), maybe more. This is the detox week.
Go off the beer, lose the sugary/high fat foods (chocolate, biscuits, crisps, soft drinks), and avoid takeaway foods. Keep the cigarettes, they'll help you keep your mind off your sugar and fat cravings.
Try to eat several small meals per day, instead of 3/4 big ones. Keep your carbohydrate and fat intake at moderate - if you feel hungry, or a meal doesn't look big enough, fill in the gaps with low-calorie, high-fibre foods, veg, etc.

Drink more water. 2 litres per day should suffice. Get at least 8 hours of sleep. Studies have shown that people who get a proper night's sleep have an improved metabolism. When you wake EAT SOMETHING. This is something that I'm terrible for, but it's crucial.

Good Luck.

logic1

seamus wrote:

Male or Female (God, I hate to ask that question)?

Would you consider yourself overweight?

Possible? Possibly
Healthy? Not really.

If you're already overweight, a change in diet will, within the first week, lose you up to 7lbs (0.5 stone), maybe more. This is the detox week.
Go off the beer, lose the sugary/high fat foods (chocolate, biscuits, crisps, soft drinks), and avoid takeaway foods. Keep the cigarettes, they'll help you keep your mind off your sugar and fat cravings.
Try to eat several small meals per day, instead of 3/4 big ones. Keep your carbohydrate and fat intake at moderate - if you feel hungry, or a meal doesn't look big enough, fill in the gaps with low-calorie, high-fibre foods, veg, etc.

All good advice for someone looking to make a long term dietary change but not in this case.

Basically it is possible but you'll have to starve yourself. It's extremly unhealthy and borderline idiotic. You're talking a couple of thousand calories per day you need to lose.

If you're set on doing this a good vitamin supplement schedule and alot of willpower will get you there. However it won't be fat you lose and you'll put it all back on after you finish.

Starvation is the only way ala Christian Bale did in preperation for the machinist.

http://www.movieweb.com/news/news.php?id=5538

.logic.

Mr E

Can I ask the obvious question - why do you need to lose a stone in 15 days?

seamus

logic1 wrote:

All good advice for someone looking to make a long term dietary change but not in this case.

I was making the suggestion, secretly thinking that the most weight he'll lose is the detox week, there's no way in hell to lose that stone.

Starvation would be drastic and dangerous, but effective.

kirn

seamus wrote:

Male or Female (God, I hate to ask that question)?

male.

Would you consider yourself overweight?

no.

Possible? Possibly
Healthy? Not really.

crap. i thought you'd say that.
two litres a day of water? ok. eight hours sleep? i can do that. stay on the fags eh?
ok.
will do.
technically, i only need to loose 6 kg's, just .9 of a stone

ok.
i'm going to go the three small meals route, not the starvation route. i'm also going to do a hell of a lot of running.

SprostonGreen

Are you taking advantage of Ben Dunne's offer of free gym membership, if you lose 6kgs?

the_syco

seamus wrote:

Get at least 8 hours of sleep. Studies have shown that people who get a proper night's sleep have an improved metabolism.

Off topic, but anyhoo's; Is this true? And any idea why? Coming from one who gets about 6 or 7 hours sleep, this comes as an "easy" way to get an improved metabolism.

tribulus

kirn wrote:

ok.
I need to loose a stone in 15 days.
is it possible to do it healthily?



K

I seriously doubt it unless you can get something like DNP which is illegal.
However you could try using an e.c.a stack or some other thermogenic supllements as well as the other advice given.

I don't know much about these but ther's probably some threads a bit back about them

anyway good luck with it, let us know how close you get

seamus

the_syco wrote:

Off topic, but anyhoo's; Is this true? And any idea why? Coming from one who gets about 6 or 7 hours sleep, this comes as an "easy" way to get an improved metabolism.

I read it recently, but I forget where. Tbh it was just about preliminary results of a study that were indicating that those who had slept properly had a higher metabolic rate. Nothing more. Nothing about what constitutes a good sleep, or if they just asked people if they felt rested after their sleep and then took some metabolic measurements. The very same study might show that an improved metabolic rate aids in a proper sleep, not the other way around.

Captain Trips

kirn wrote:

ok.
I need to loose a stone in 15 days.
is it possible to do it healthily?

i need some sort of program, does anyone have any ideas?

i'm currently 13st and 5" 9' i need to get to 12st by the 18th of march.

obviously i'd go off beer, any kind of sweets, and cigarettes.

any help much appriciated.


K

I'd just add that if you go under around 1200kcal/day, you're body will start to *reduce* loss and *conserve* energy which will slow down weight loss. That will happen within a week, so starving yourself isn't an option.

1. Get your mass in kg first and then work out how much kcal you need every day to maintain this weight - the more you weigh the more you need to take in to keep it that way (this is why a 20 st can lose fast weight - they need 4000kcal/day+ just to stay at 20stone).
- stuff that does this are all over the internet
2. Excercise: the above programs online will ask are you sedentary, mild moderate or heavy excerciser. This all effects how many calories you need to keep your weight at 13st.
3. The difference between your total calories per day and 1200kcal will be what you will be losing without risking damage to yourself. Divide this into kg and you'll see how much you will lose in 15 days.

monkeyman

Kirn
You never answered why you wanted to lose a stone in 15 days. If its for the Ben Dunne free membership thing then you'd probably want to have a chat with yourself!!

logic1

Captain Trips wrote:

I'd just add that if you go under around 1200kcal/day, you're body will start to *reduce* loss and *conserve* energy which will slow down weight loss. That will happen within a week, so starving yourself isn't an option.

This is incorrect. It's true that after a period of dieting on an LCD diet which has approx. 1000 KCal daily intake your body will go into starvation mode try to store much of the daily intake as fat. However the simple fact remains that you're not taking in enough calories to survive hence much more calories are being burned than can be stored so you still lose a large amount of weight in the initial three week period.

However the starvation method used here would have to be a VLCD diet approx. 4 to 500KCal per day. Such diets are often used on the morbidly obese who are in imminent danger for an extremly short period (2 to 3 weeks) to help them lose enough weight to stay alive.

Both of these methods would work perfectly well here over his 15 day period, the slow down you're referring to is not actually the storage of fat due to starvation it's the resultant metabolic rate slowdown which occurs once starvation mode is initialised. This however takes several weeks to fully implement and 15 days would be a comfortable period inside which he wouldn;t need to worry about it.

1. Get your mass in kg first and then work out how much kcal you need every day to maintain this weight - the more you weigh the more you need to take in to keep it that way (this is why a 20 st can lose fast weight - they need 4000kcal/day+ just to stay at 20stone).
- stuff that does this are all over the internet
2. Excercise: the above programs online will ask are you sedentary, mild moderate or heavy excerciser. This all effects how many calories you need to keep your weight at 13st.
3. The difference between your total calories per day and 1200kcal will be what you will be losing without risking damage to yourself. Divide this into kg and you'll see how much you will lose in 15 days.

Again he's not asking how to safely lose weight over an extended period of time so your advice is poor in this situation. He specifically wanted to lose 6kg in 15 days.

He hasn't given us any reasoning so it's not safe to assume he's overweight or otherwise.

For his goals to lose 6kg in 15days safely is impossible. Starvation will work but it's not healthy.

These are the simple facts.

.logic.

kirn

i have to do it for a Sporting classification.
its a really big deal that i be 12st.
its dumb and i understand the dopeyness of it but this is the situation.

i have got myself a Pedometer, and a big box of allbran for the next two weeks.

day one: 13st. All bran is disgusting.

logic1

Go on strict diet then a few hours dehydrating before weigh in.

.logic.

monkeyman

Bit drastic here but if you are really stuck you could get a colonic. There was an episode of Faking It, where someone had to lose some poundage in a week.

They said you can lose between 4 & 6 pounds, if you are willing to have something shot up your a ss. He lost 4 pounds.

idontknowmyname

I can lose half a stone in a week pretty healthily if needed be...usually I dont need to.

I eat majorly healthy....drink lots of water, run a few miles in the local forest park, just do as much as exercise, walk everywhere.

Here's what I'd typically eat:

Breakfast: Bowl of porridge (un-sweetened) and throw 2 tablespoons of sunflower seeds in. Then cut 2 rings off a fresh pineapple and eat that. Have 2 big glasses of water.

Eat fruit during the day and a handful of nuts to keep sugar levels stable (u wont feel as hungry) Drink lots of water too.

Lunch: Wholemeal bread with chicken, beetroot, cucumber, lettuce (tiny tiny bit if mayo if u want)

Dinner: Brown rice, fresh smoke cod, corn on the cob or any type of veg u like. Also can have a chicken or turkey breast.

Also, dont eat dinner after 7.

No sweets, alcohol, white bread or pasta.

I keep a 1 litre bottle of water with me so I actually know how much I've drank during the day.

If you want to snack have some natural yoghurt and throw a few chunks of pineapple or apple in.

Milkman Dan

ha!

kirn

day six: i've only lost 2 pounds. piss.
drinking loads of water, two small meals, jogged all weekend, and last night...

i need to get a move on.
dammit.
i might try to eat nothing at the weekend.
what vitamin pills should i get?

jman0

kirn wrote:

day six: i've only lost 2 pounds. piss.
drinking loads of water, two small meals, jogged all weekend, and last night...

i need to get a move on.
dammit.
i might try to eat nothing at the weekend.
what vitamin pills should i get?

Get a Sauna suit and live in it (including sleeping)
http://store.titleboxing.com/vss.html

*Page*

do a detox for a week or two this will drop your weight very fast

logic1

*Page* wrote:

do a detox for a week or two this will drop your weight very fast

The concept of dietary detox is a myth based on arbitary exceptional laboratory results and pseudo-science perpetuated by the beauty industry.

In other words, bullsh1t.

.logic.

D!ve^Bomb!

the irrigation seems like a good idea tbh.. after that you could try shaving every hair off your body

Transform

This question should not be even entertained as its implications could be very serious to damaging his health!!

Also start a new tread on detoxing if you want as it should not be considered as a means of weight loss - used properly it can improve digestion and energy levels.

logic1

Transform wrote:

This question should not be even entertained as its implications could be very serious to damaging his health!!

I've come across this argument many times on various training websites, that if something can be potentially damaging to someones health should it be discussed or just blanked.

Every time I've come to the conclusion that we're not here as health care professionals or primary care givers, we're here to educate someone on every aspect of what they want to do.

If it has the possibility of having an adverse effect on their health then sure we should clearly state that and give the poster information on alternatives on other methods but at the end of the day if we decide not to discuss something such as this with a poster and they decide to do it anyway unarmed with any of the information we could have given them I think the consequences will invariably be much worse.

And luckily on most of the boards I post on regularly the admins have the same attitude.

.logic.

*Page*

well logic i just said what i've done!
and it's worked for me before i started a diet. it shed the first few lbs. and they've been droping every since.4 weeks and i'm down a stone.

logic1

*Page* wrote:

well logic i just said what i've done!
and it's worked for me before i started a diet. it shed the first few lbs. and they've been droping every since.4 weeks and i'm down a stone.

Well done. However the old reverting to "Well it worked for me" when people put forward ludicrous statements on this forum is getting a bit old.

Also you didn't say what worked for you, you said "do a detox for a week or two" - this basically means absolutely nothing.

There are dozens of different detox diets.

Diet, training and nutrition are individual specific to a certain degree but in a wider sense the princples that are proven to work will work for everyone with very few exceptions.

"It worked for me so it mustbe right" is a weak cop out constantly employed by people with absolutely no scientific backing for their argument.

.logic.

*Page*

ok read you are what you eat and the detox in that is the one i use and the dietary also.

seamus

*Page* wrote:

ok read you are what you eat and the detox in that is the one i use and the dietary also.

Don't get me started on Gillian McKeith!
Most diets I've heard of refer to the first week as the "detox week", but that doesn't mean that eating properly for two weeks every so often will help you lose weight. It's mostly water being lost, as your body normalises itself. Go back to eating crap, and the "detox" weight piles back on just as quickly. It's a false economy, essentially.
Continuation of a "detox" regime will not help you continue to lose weight unless you're eating correctly.

logic1

*Page* wrote:

ok read you are what you eat and the detox in that is the one i use and the dietary also.

Ah by "Dr." Gillian McKeith. The self proclaimed "Worlds leading nutritional Doctor" who in actual fact has absolutely no medical background.

She holds a PhD in holistic nutrition she received through a postal correspondence course from Alabama's Clayton College of Natural Health. E.g. She bought it on the internet.

To quote:

Dr Edzard Ernst, professor of complimentary medicine at Exeter University, blasted McKeith - often seen "examining" patients and performing medical procedures like colonic irrigation.

He said "Her theories on food-combining are perfect rubbish."

Amanda Wynne, senior dietician at the British Dietetic Association, said: "We're concerned. Some of the things she says just aren't true."

So I'll give the book a miss and I recommend you research your authors a little better before blindly trusting their judgement. Although you're not alone, this con-woman has written a best seller bought by millions of gullible people looking for a quick fix to lose weight.

logic1

Here's some extra info on the brilliant "Dr." McKeith.

http://www.jmdl.com/howard/rants/Gillian_McKeith.html

.logic.

Sangre

There was a program on her a few months back absolutely rupping her to bits. God knows how many trained people in the medical profession lambasting her methods and techniques.

Actually flicked by last night, only thing I heard was 'Dr Gillian thinks X's sugar cravings are caused by a nutrition imbalance'

logic1

Sangre wrote:

There was a program on her a few months back absolutely rupping her to bits. God knows how many trained people in the medical profession lambasting her methods and techniques.

Actually flicked by last night, only thing I heard was 'Dr Gillian thinks X's sugar cravings are caused by a nutrition imbalance'

Tonight with Trevor McDonald did a full program on her.

.logic.

kirn

well here we are, day 8.
i have only lost four pounds.
i need to loose 6 by fri.

it doesn't look very likely.

i did a lot of exercise at the weekend, and ate very little, at regular intervals.

seamus

How much time have you got between weigh-in and competing?

You could shed those 6lbs temporarily by follwing logic's advice:

Go on strict diet then a few hours dehydrating before weigh in.

.logic.

If you can get some high-energy food and plenty of water into you between the weigh-in and competing, you should do ok.

delly

I remember seeing something on that Braniac program on Sky, where they tried to lose a certain amount of weight in the shortest time possible.

Shave all you hair off if you can, or as much as possible without looking like a freak. Also cut your finger and toe nails as short as you can. A worse case scenario would be to get a few laxatives on the day of the weigh in. As Tesco say, every little helps.

kirn

ok.
so i cut my hair and have eaten almost nothing for the last three days.

i got down to 12st 4.

did the weigh in etc... now going to have a big burger and chips!
mmnnn...

the official weight i need to be is 12st 1, so i'll get a letter in the post during the week telling me the result.

so thanks all, i hope the scales is somehow odd!