Performance v's Bling

Peace

I'm just wondering... with all these poxy little cars (take for example a modded honda civic 1.4) booting around our roads these days... which would you spend your money on???

Buy a cheap car and get a body kit and spray it a stupid color ie. spend all your money on looks.

Or buy a car which gives better performance and not so much of the flash "look at me, i score birds in my car" hint to it.

You can obviously tell which i'd go for.

(Turbo diesel all the way)....

$lash

Peace wrote:

(Turbo diesel all the way)....

Bog Warrior

AlisonB

being honest - it depends on the driver .. i know plenty people driving high performance cars that couldnt drive a nail through a cow s%^&$.

Peace

Pimp my ride please - I don't care if its 1bhp once it looks good.

hhmmm, maybe i shouldn't have made it a public poll... all our honda civic 18-22yr old boy racers are ashamed to own up!!!

AlisonB

i think so ... i vote performance all the way ...

The Clown Man

I've voted looks (and I'm the first!) but that is purely on the basis that I consider performance to be a 0-60 in 6 seconds car. And becuase I'm 23 I can't get insured on one. So atm looks is obligatory and performance is not an option.

Having said that I drive a Alfa 156 1.8 T-Spark which does in fact look the bling imo (keep your negative comments to yourself!) and has the largest engine I can get insured on. And you wouldn't find me dead in anything under a 1.8. Actually, I'm not even sure if I voted right ...

Peace

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The Clown Man wrote:

I've voted looks (and I'm the first!) but that is purely on the basis that I consider performance to be a 0-60 in 6 seconds car. And becuase I'm 23 I can't get insured on one. So atm looks is obligatory and performance is not an option.

Having said that I drive a Alfa 156 1.8 T-Spark which does in fact look the bling imo (keep your negative comments to yourself!) and has the largest engine I can get insured on. And you wouldn't find me dead in anything under a 1.8. Actually, I'm not even sure if I voted right ...

You're not sure... think about the rest of us!!

Anyway, i realised after the fact that i should have put a 3rd option... which was both... ie. something like an Audi A4 2.0TDi with body kit and swinging rims...

Doesn't matter, just doing a quick head count.

The Clown Man

Yeah i'd have taken the third option!

Ratchet

Peace wrote:

I'm just wondering... with all these poxy little cars (take for example a modded honda civic 1.4) booting around our roads these days... which would you spend your money on???

Buy a cheap car and get a body kit and spray it a stupid color ie. spend all your money on looks.

Or buy a car which gives better performance and not so much of the flash "look at me, i score birds in my car" hint to it.

You can obviously tell which i'd go for.

(Turbo diesel all the way)....

well looks to me like you will never get idea of car/bike modding and the fact that not all civic drivers are boy racers

The same way you laugh at modified Civic , I could laugh at you agricultural turbo diesel which puffs black smoke at every light.


but i don't as i respect the fact that this is your choice.





Performance - its the engine that makes the car

Answer is NO. There is more things which make the car . You don't have to go 160mph to enjoy your car

Pimp my ride please - I don't care if its 1bhp once it looks good.

what's wrong with doing up your car, if this is what it takes to make some people happy then just let them do it

jayok

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Performance or bling.... as someone else stated before, I'd rather have both. So I am one of those poxy boy racer Civic drivers, expect its an 04 Type R with 197BHP, looks good to no matter what you think of Civics. Have yet to see a tractor, ahem diesel, that looks better and performs quicker. :cool:

puntosporting

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You say your into performance and you drive a diesel i dont get it to be honest!
Waiting for it's the gttttttdi redi with tunning box reply blah blah...

unkel

Pimp my ride please - I don't care if its 1bhp once it looks good.

Wolf in sheeps clothing for me

Peace

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unkel wrote:

Wolf in sheeps clothing for me

Correct.

My point for those of you throwing the toys out of the pram is that i can't see the point in modding a 1.4 car (whatever make) with stuff like body kits, alloys and flash sound systems if you're still at the end of the day stuck with a motor which is a little flat on its feet.

TDi's are economical and good performers. In the long run cheaper to run than a 200bhp turbo petrol.

If you want to talk about "aricultural turbo diesel" please take a look at this first.....

here
or maybe here

puntosporting

Pimp my ride please - I don't care if its 1bhp once it looks good.

See when someone says to me their into their performance cars i automaticaly think oh right so what you driving,i usualy get answers like mitsi evo,subaru impreza turbo,skyline,supra,even teg type r etc etc.
ALL with good engines but also well capable of going round bends quicly too.
I realy cant see the attraction in 4.5k revs change gear trying to keep the car in the power band and rubbish engine note .
Their is nothing sensible about owning performance cars in my mind so why buy a diesel?
Ya i know you can get 300+ lb ft torque but when are they gonna give you a gearbox that lets you use it ?

Peace

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Ratchet wrote:

well looks to me like you will never get idea of car/bike modding and the fact that not all civic drivers are boy racers

You're way off... i do. I'm considering my first car purchase for the end of the year (audi A4 B6) and i'm currently checking prices for body kits and i would definately buy nice rims for it.

Ratchet wrote:

The same way you laugh at modified Civic , I could laugh at you agricultural turbo diesel which puffs black smoke at every light.

Laugh away my boy...

Ratchet wrote:

Answer is NO. There is more things which make the car . You don't have to go 160mph to enjoy your car

I never said you have to drive fast....

Ratchet wrote:

what's wrong with doing up your car, if this is what it takes to make some people happy then just let them do it

Ain't nothing wrong with doing up a car, as i already said i'm thinking about doing it myself. But investing maybe in the price range of 3-4k on a car thats maybe worth 7-8k is , IMO, a little crazy.

jayok

Pimp my ride please - I don't care if its 1bhp once it looks good.

If you want to talk about "aricultural turbo diesel" please take a look at this first.....

Don't know a lot about the Audi range TBH but a quick check of the spec on parkers.co.uk shows that the most powerful 2.5TDI (whatever part of that is red) puts out 180BHP, 0-60 in 8.5 seconds and a combined MPG of 35MPG. I am sorry but this is just not a "performance" car. It is a fine car that will give nice lift for motor-way driving, but the handling, acceleration, etc could not match a petrol equivalent.

A petrol engine is what a diesel aspires to in terms of performance, smoothness, weight, etc. A petrol engine aspires to the economy of a diesel. Given the true advantage of diesel over petrol is economic (fuel consumption costs) and a "performance car" is about performance not economy. I don't see how any diesel could be considered a performance car.

Let me do a quick check, nope, no diesels in Formula 1, Formula 3000, WRC, hmmm.

puntosporting

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jayok wrote:

Don't know a lot about the Audi range TBH but a quick check of the spec on parkes.co.uk show that the most powerful 2.5TDI (whatever part of that is red) puts out 180BHP, 0-60 in 8.5 seconds and a combined MPG of 35MPG. I am sorry but this is just not a "performance" car. It is a fine car that will give nice lift for motor-way driving, but the handling, acceleration, etc could not match a petrol equivalent.

A petrol engine is what a diesel aspires to in terms of performance, smoothness, weight, etc. A petrol engine aspires to the economy of a diesel. Given the true advantage of diesel over petrol is economic (fuel consumption costs) and a "performance car" about performance not economy. I don't see how any diesel could be considered a performance car.

Let me do a quick check, nope, no diesels in Formula 1, Formula 3000, WRC, hmmm.

Exactimundo ...

Peace

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Don't see many Forula 1 cars on irish roads either now do we???

Coming back down to earth now, please fasten seat belts.

jayok

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Don't see many Forula 1 cars on irish roads either now do we???

Nope but we see their performance technology. Variable values, etc...

Ratchet

Peace wrote:

......
Or buy a car which gives better performance and not so much of the flash "look at me, i score birds in my car" hint to it.

maybe you should put an ad in Buyandsell "Men seeking women" instead of spending all that money on Audi A4 and spoilers.

Ratchet

unkel wrote:

Wolf in sheeps clothing for me

i want one of these

Peace

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jayok wrote:

Nope but we see their performance technology. Variable values, etc...

Ok , i think you're getting a little caught up on the use of the word "performance"... the poll is clearly about which you woudl spend you money on.. ie. which would you prioritise first.

At no point did i say diesels out perform petrols however i did say

Peace wrote:

TDi's are economical and good performers

And they are good performers.

FX Meister

Peace wrote:

I'm just wondering... with all these poxy little cars (take for example a modded honda civic 1.4) booting around our roads these days... which would you spend your money on???

Buy a cheap car and get a body kit and spray it a stupid color ie. spend all your money on looks.

Or buy a car which gives better performance and not so much of the flash "look at me, i score birds in my car" hint to it.

You can obviously tell which i'd go for.

(Turbo diesel all the way)....

It's hard to tell which one you would go for? I take it your after a car with low performance and pimped to the max as you said turbo diesel all the way. But hold on, you dont even own a car according to another post of yours here.

puntosporting

Pimp my ride please - I don't care if its 1bhp once it looks good.

The poll should have read
which would you prefer?

Boyracer mobile

Mundane tdi saloon car

Actual "performance" orientated vehicle that can possibly be taken out on track and will actualy give you a fun yet powerfull experiance.

Ratchet

FX Meister wrote:

It's hard to tell which one you would go for? I take it your after a car with low performance and pimped to the max as you said turbo diesel all the way. But hold on, you dont even own a car according to another post of yours here.

u right, not sure what he is trying to say

car with performance or bling

and the choice is


Audi TD with spoiler and big wheels

this should be 3rd option on the poll

Interceptor

Why does this seem black and white to so many people? There is a huge spectrum of cars available but we have been blinkered by the mundane rubbish available in Ireland for so long that the choice seems limited. My feelings on diesels are well known - perfect for tractors, trains and pulling horseboxes but if you are a 'fan' of motoring they don't belong in your possesion. If you can strike a balance between adding a little extra 'voom' and a smidgen of 'schwing' then that would be my (4th option in poll) choice.

'c

Oh and of course diesel is great for getting stains out of your overalls....

Peace

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FX Meister wrote:

But hold on, you dont even own a car according to another post of yours here.

I knew someone was going to bring this up and its a pretty childish and shallow point. No i don't own a car but does that mean I shouldn't post up a thread on the motors board? I have stated it in a previous post on this same thread and a different thread when i was asking advice on cars.

I have driven both petrols and diesels over the past 9 years and i guess it comes down to this.

You either priorities looks in a car or value for money.

You either love diesels or you hate them.

DoctorEdgeWild

Sheep in wolf's clothing all the way for me!

I drive one of the slowest, least powerful cars on Irish roads - The 899cc Fiat Cinquecento. Its worth about E800 or so but I have spent just over 5 grand on getting it looking the way I want it to.

First off, I realise I could have bought a 'performance' car for that kind of money but then I wouldn't have a unique car. My car is one of a kind. There are no others like it in the world. I did some of the modding to it myself but mostly got it done by mates who are in the business.

Why call a Honda Civic 1.4 a poxy motor? Whats wrong with them exactly? Done up properly, they can look awesome and are solid cars - performance wise.

I drive my Cinq into work every day, never speeding, never breaking lights or driving down the bus lanes like the mundano/laguna/316 rep mobiles like to do. Then I get into my truck and drive all over the country. So it's not as if I hate the Turbo Diesels - I wouldnt make it up the speedbumps in our industrial estate without them.

Also, using words like bling and rims just proves that a person is a real fkn newbie. There is a European style of modifying which looks good on Euro cars, A Japanese style that looks good on Japanese cars and an American style which looks sh1t at all times.

Peace

Pimp my ride please - I don't care if its 1bhp once it looks good.

FX Meister wrote:

It's hard to tell which one you would go for?

If you took the time to read the thread properly you would see that its a public poll and you can quite clearly see which option i went for.

Ratchet

Peace wrote:

You either priorities looks in a car or value for money.

what happened to performance?


This poll gets AWARD

FX Meister

Peace wrote:

If you took the time to read the thread properly you would see that its a public poll and you can quite clearly see which option i went for.

What's a poll?

Peace

Pimp my ride please - I don't care if its 1bhp once it looks good.

DoctorEdgeWild wrote:

Why call a Honda Civic 1.4 a poxy motor? Whats wrong with them exactly? Done up properly, they can look awesome and are solid cars - performance wise.

I drive my Cinq into work every day, never speeding, never breaking lights or driving down the bus lanes like the mundano/laguna/316 rep mobiles like to do. Then I get into my truck and drive all over the country. So it's not as if I hate the Turbo Diesels - I wouldnt make it up the speedbumps in our industrial estate without them.

Why? because i don't like them. And i think cars that have had more money spent on the body work and appearance than that actual car is worth look silly.

There's no accounting for taste.

FX Meister

DoctorEdgeWild wrote:

Sheep in wolf's clothing all the way for me!

I drive one of the slowest, least powerful cars on Irish roads - The 899cc Fiat Cinquecento. Its worth about E800 or so but I have spent just over 5 grand on getting it looking the way I want it to.

First off, I realise I could have bought a 'performance' car for that kind of money but then I wouldn't have a unique car. My car is one of a kind. There are no others like it in the world. I did some of the modding to it myself but mostly got it done by mates who are in the business.

Why call a Honda Civic 1.4 a poxy motor? Whats wrong with them exactly? Done up properly, they can look awesome and are solid cars - performance wise.

I drive my Cinq into work every day, never speeding, never breaking lights or driving down the bus lanes like the mundano/laguna/316 rep mobiles like to do. Then I get into my truck and drive all over the country. So it's not as if I hate the Turbo Diesels - I wouldnt make it up the speedbumps in our industrial estate without them.

Also, using words like bling and rims just proves that a person is a real fkn newbie. There is a European style of modifying which looks good on Euro cars, A Japanese style that looks good on Japanese cars and an American style which looks sh1t at all times.

You truly are a mad man. Mad Man Manson perhaps?

Peace

Pimp my ride please - I don't care if its 1bhp once it looks good.

FX Meister wrote:

What's a poll?

Are you kidding?

Peace

Pimp my ride please - I don't care if its 1bhp once it looks good.

Ratchet wrote:

what happened to performance?


This poll gets AWARD

people were getting hung up on the use of the word 'performance' and starting to include stuff like formula 1 cars etc etc :rolleyes:

I replaced it with value for money.

DoctorEdgeWild

Peace wrote:

Why? because i don't like them. And i think cars that have had more money spent on the body work and appearance than that actual car is worth look silly.

There's no accounting for taste.

That's it in a nutshell! There's no accounting for taste.

I really do laugh at guys with generic jobs (accounts clerk supervising technician) in generic suits (sorry, dont know any suit guys) driving generic cars (Laguna).

They laugh at me with ten three inch spikes on my head and an 800 euro car done up more than a junior cert nighter!

Some people like to be different, others just like to blend in.

(this post would almost feel at home in personal issues at this stage )

unkel

Pimp my ride please - I don't care if its 1bhp once it looks good.

DoctorEdgeWild wrote:

Fiat Cinquecento. Its worth about E800 or so but I have spent just over 5 grand on getting it looking the way I want it to

You are joking right? :eek:

DoctorEdgeWild

unkel wrote:

You are joking right? :eek:

100% serious Unkel - may even be close to 5 and a half at this stage.

528i

Pimp my ride please - I don't care if its 1bhp once it looks good.

This aftermarket car decoration only appeals to around 3% of the population, mainly mad-maxxers who themselves are maybe slightly retarded, the rest of a mainly level-headed population just think you're an idiot,. it is your democratic right to be an idiot though, and nobody can deny you that.

Go forth and express yourselves

Ratchet

528i wrote:

This aftermarket car decoration only appeals to around 3% of the population, mainly mad-maxxers who themselves are maybe slightly retarded, the rest of a mainly level-headed population just think you're an idiot,. it is your democratic right to be an idiot though, and nobody can deny you that.

Go forth and express yourselves

nice try , your forgot to mention your group of conservative drivers, which drives one brand of the car through entire life . The only modding u get is factory bumper and shiny tip from dealer for crazy prize.


the only modification you will see in near future is that you change your 528i from manual to automatic as you get older

528i

Pimp my ride please - I don't care if its 1bhp once it looks good.

I've a new shinier badge on order [just incase the great unwashed mistake it for an inferior car], is that consider a mod? am I a modder now !¬

AlienGav

528i wrote:

I've a new shinier badge on order [just incase the great unwashed mistake it for an inferior car], is that consider a mod? am I a modder now !¬

Yes!! Everyone troll this boy racer at once! lol

Gatster

Pimp my ride please - I don't care if its 1bhp once it looks good.

I drive one of the slowest, least powerful cars on Irish roads - The 899cc Fiat Cinquecento. Its worth about E800 or so but I have spent just over 5 grand on getting it looking the way I want it to.

Any chance of pics? Not my cup of tea but I am very curious as to what €5k's worth of Cinquecento modding actually equates to...fair play though, you obviously have the courage of your convictions.

the only modification you will see in near future is that you change your 528i from manual to automatic as you get older

Nothing wrong with some autos, I'll happily take the CL65AMG, ta very much

Peace

Pimp my ride please - I don't care if its 1bhp once it looks good.

Gatster wrote:

Any chance of pics? Not my cup of tea but I am very curious as to what €5k's worth of Cinquecento modding actually equates to...fair play though, you obviously have the courage of your convictions.

I also have a morbid curiosity... please pics if you will ..

The Clown Man

A Cinquecento?

Oh no, please no. €5,000 on a Cinquecento makes baby jesus cry.

*shiver*

FX Meister

what's is kidding?

Kersh

I would take all 3.
911 - classic looks, quick.
GTO - great looks, not that quick.
300zx TT - looks ok, goes like sh1t off a shovel.
Not one of them under 3 litres.
All you need is a garage policy.
Anything under 1.8 is not really worth writing about. Lol.

ando

Well when I decided to get a car, all I could afford was a 1.4. Being 21, the insurance was €4609 for Third Party! I'm pretty sure thats why you see youngfella's going round in slow(er) cars aspiring to change the look of their cars to faster models. Now that I've got a few yrs NCB, I can finally afford a quicker motor so for me, the priority has changed from bling to performance

Interceptor

DoctorEdgeWild wrote:

I drive one of the slowest, least powerful cars on Irish roads - The 899cc Fiat Cinquecento. Its worth about E800 or so but I have spent just over 5 grand on getting it looking the way I want it to.

I drive my Cinq into work every day, never speeding, never breaking lights or driving down the bus lanes like the mundano/laguna/316 rep mobiles like to do. Then I get into my truck and drive all over the country. So it's not as if I hate the Turbo Diesels - I wouldnt make it up the speedbumps in our industrial estate without them.

Oh please show us some pictures - I have driven several Cinqs and you can't beat them for squeeling around roundabouts and frightening people in jeeps when you shoot up the non-existant space beside them and leave them for dust. Mutant shopping trolley ahoy!!!!

Does it look anything like these?

'c

ando

actually that one doesnt look to bad

DoctorEdgeWild

Yeah, that third pic is the bodykit I had before my current one so that's identical to what it looked like.

At the moment I am in Oz so I cant take any pics of my car which is in Dublin. I will be back in a couple of weeks though so I will satisfy your curiosity then! The other pics made me feel pretty ill though.

The Cinquecento is a hugely under rated car - anyone who has given them a chance has found them pretty good. They aren't gonna win you any races but they were at one point the cheapest car available in Ireland.