Insurance for Honda Integra, and other sporty types

Dagon

I'm 24, full license, 2 full years as a named driver, no claims.

I'm considering getting a second hand honda Integra (around €6000), just wondering what should I expect to pay for insurance and tax (roughly - say, compared to a 1.6L 1990 Toyota Carina)? Is it through the roof? I'm on a low budget so perhaps I shouldn't even be considering getting an integra? I would be going for a 1.6.

Also, is it true that 2-door Honda Civics (hb or coupe) are in the "sports category" and are thus quite expensive to insure, despite small engine size? I've heard lots of people talking about this but different people say different things. Anyone know for sure?

And if I was to buy something like: http://cars.msn.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carID=176267
would the tax or insurance be expensive on account of this car being a 20 Valve GT model?

Thanks for any info, cause I'm quite clueless when it comes to insurance "ball park" figures.

jayok

Ahhh... the Honda Civic/Integra insurance nightmare.

From lots of insurance experience with this I've owned plenty of Civic's in my time it's not that the Honda's are targetted as such. It's down to a number of factors. Wrt to cars:

1. The first factor that the ins. cos look at is displacement. Bigger engine = more power = more likely for driver to boot it = higher risk (sorry but that's how it works). In the UK they use Group Insurance ratings. Insurance companies know about VTEC, Turbos, NOS, etc all add power to a car and as such will simply assess a VTEC car as a "higher" performance car than the displacement would suggest.

2. The type of car. A family 4-door with a VTEC engine in it is considered less of a risk than a 2-door coupe with the similar engine. The 2dr is considered sporty and such has a loading (more likely to boot it = higher risk).

3. Theft protection. Civics/Integras prior to 1996/7 were so easy to rob that you could get them going with a stick and pin. For the insurance co = risk. More premium (if you can get the cover).

So if your situation,

24 year old male = high risk
Honda Integra (if that's the car) = high risk
1.6 DOHC VTEC engine = high risk
1995 Model (if that's the year) = high risk

Add it all up and you've got Premium = through the roof!! (if you even get quoted)

No for me and my 04 Type R - €1000 for fully comp and commercial insurance. The joys of getting older!

Dagon

Doh...!!

Oh well. But thanks loads for all the info, at least now I can stop even considering getting one of those things.

At this rate, I suppose even a 2-door Corolla 1.3 VVTI would be considered high-risk?

Am considering going for something like a Civic saloon 1.4L now, without the VTEC engine. And another question - does the VTEC or VVTI engines make much for a significantly more exciting driving experience, or is it just more bhp?

thanks again for the info

Ratchet

i had a 1.6 4dr integra and insurance was the same as 1.6 2dr integra. Insurance rulez just don't make sense as i was paying more for 1.6 Teg then 2.0 V6 XEDOS 6 with 160BHP engine(which is higher group in UK but looks like is in lower group in Ireland)

had 5 Honda's and they were never cheap on insurance

edmund_f

jayok wrote:

No for me and my 04 Type R - €1000 for fully comp and commercial insurance. The joys of getting older!

what is this commercial insurance you speak of?

jayok

Am considering going for something like a Civic saloon 1.4L now, without the VTEC engine

You should get a quote for this. The bro-in-law bought one last year for €3k. It was a 97 and had 80k miles on the clock with a full Honda service history. It cost him €1,500 pa to insure (he was 23 then with a full license and 2 years driving time on his Mum's car).

AlisonB

i looked into insurance on a Subaru Impreza STI Type R .

24, of the female variety, full no claims, full license.
Worked out at €3200 ..

I asked her to quote me, if i was 25 - it dropped €400 ... wait the year...
This was with top quote up in Donegal.

Lenny

DOn't sk how much the insurance on my '99 2 door nissian skyline 3.0 costs >>>

AlisonB

Lenny wrote:

DOn't sk how much the insurance on my '99 2 door nissian skyline 3.0 costs >>>

How much Lenny , i'm paying €900 on a new beetle at the moment 1.6.... a whooping 102BHP frustration. dont know what came over me buying that ...

irlirishkev

Dagon wrote:

Doh...!!
Am considering going for something like a Civic saloon 1.4L now, without the VTEC engine. And another question - does the VTEC or VVTI engines make much for a significantly more exciting driving experience, or is it just more bhp?

VTEC engines are wonderful things. I don't own one because I could never afford the insurance on one. Variable Timing and Electronic Control. Basically it gives you more power as you need it. Honda perfected this. Toyota followed suit with their VVTi engine later on.

VTI is another story altogether. It's a beast of an engine with a whole shedload of bhp (can't think how much at the moment). Very expensive to insure, but they go like the clappers. Think Mark 2 Golf GTI, with better handling.

I have a 1.5lsi civic coupé from '95, and the insurance for me is just under 800euro (27years old, been driving as a named driver for years). It's not vtec or anything, but it's still pretty nippy. My next car will be a 2.2vtec prelude.. but insurance-wise, it'll be a couple of years before I can afford that..

AlisonB

you could also look into getting a 1.5 dual carb ... quick car.. i dont think there's much of a loading on them either... Kev - i know where there's a 2.2 vtec prelude for sale ..

jayok

what is this commercial insurance you speak of?

I use my car for business purposes i.e. travelling from customer site to customer site. As such I've to actually insure the car for this - i.e. commercial insurance. Not the same as a commerical van insurance etc, but its class 2B Commercial Insurance! Whatever that means to an insurance broker?

VTI is another story altogether. It's a beast of an engine with a whole shedload of bhp (can't think how much at the moment). Very expensive to insure, but they go like the clappers. Think Mark 2 Golf GTI, with better handling

D16B1/2 - 158bhp in the 6th gen 0-60 8-0 secs for a 3dr. Mad, mad, mad fun.

IrishRover

irlirishkev wrote:

VTEC engines are wonderful things.
My next car will be a 2.2vtec prelude

I like the Prelude (4th generation especially) but I've been told by a few people who have owned the 2.2 vtec Prelude that the H22 engine isn't very "vteccy" as such and that overall they weren't particularly impressed with the performance. The rev limiter is at something like 7300/7400rpm so it's not very high revving at all compared to the B16 or B18 in an Integra or Civic. With the longer stroke of the 2.2 litre engine I suppose stupidly high revs aren't really practical though.

Dagon

Thanks for all the help guys and gals, much appreciated!!

So I take it a 1.3L or 1.4L VVTI Corolla would still be a fair few hundred more to insure than the regular model? Does anyone know how much more? Just wondering if it would be worth it...

Also, would there be much of a difference in insurance between a 2 door Honda Civic Coupe, and a 4-door saloon (non vtec)?

You really do pay for power at my age!!

But I'm 25 in June, so I think I'll take your advice Alison, and wait until then

Lenny

Ahh, its company insurance...
But I could imagine how much the insurance would cost me being on 20 and on a prov, I have clocked 194MPH in this car

bazz26

A 1.4 Corolla whether VVTi or not will cost the same to insure. The VVTi engine while lively is not classed as a high performance engine. The Yaris has a VVTi engine, that's hardly high performance is it?

The Honda VTEC and VTi are on the other hand. Civics are more expensive to insure mainly due to a number of possible reasons:

1. Even a 1.3/1.4 Civic is no slouch and can move.
2. The early 1990s Civic had terrible security, you may as well have left the doors unlocked.
3. Because of the above 2 reasons they were popular with thieves and joyriders.
4. Jap imports came in with all sorts of modifications under the bonnet which were not known by insurance companies until some teenager crashed it into a wall.
5. The Civic has a bad reputation due to being very popular with boy racers.

By the way my father has just traded a 00 Corolla 1.4 VVTi in for a 03 Civic 1.4 and finds it great.

jayok

Also, would there be much of a difference in insurance between a 2 door Honda Civic Coupe, and a 4-door saloon (non vtec)?

Well for a start the Coupes only come in a 1.5 for 5th gen and a 1.6 for a 6th gen. So you've a bigger engine here. But also they are classed as a "Sports Car" and would be loaded as such. Some of the 6th gen coupes are VTEC where are the majority are not - so there could be more insurance loading!!

This would be different from a 1.4 (6th gen I assume) saloon which would be classed as a family car and wouldn't suffer the loading.

shakenbake

I think if you call up the insurance company looking for a quote on an integra with your age etc, they'll probably just laugh at you

If you have a choice over a non vtec civic I'd go for the dual carb over the injection, like alisonb suggested.

I'm on my third civic at the moment which is a JDM 1.5 vti (130bhp). I'm paying 950 3rd party on it. But get this, if I swap it for a 1.6 vtec an extra 30bhp my insurance *doesn't* change. However, if I get a civic type r, an extra 15bhp ontop of that again they won't even quote me!!! I'm 29, full licenece 10yrs and no claims, 1yrs ncb and 3yrs continuous named driver experience.

528i

Lenny wrote:

Ahh, its company insurance...
But I could imagine how much the insurance would cost me being on 20 and on a prov, I have clocked 194MPH in this car

In the 3.0 skyline ? (which doesn't exist) :rolleyes:

AlisonB

lol.. hmm i was questioning that mysellf.. .. i know there's a gts . gtr and a 2.0l.. i could be wrong.. i was just doubting my car knowledge being a girl and all.

Lenny

R31 model is 3 litre 6 cylinder

528i

oops

AlisonB

Lenny wrote:

R31 model is 3 litre 6 cylinder

and you got 194 out of it .. sounds good but would hate to get a blow out doing that speed. Ever come up against a Supra (3.0l twin turbo) if so how you get on ?

528i

looks more like a silvia\stanza\sentra hybrid, good for around 200mph ya reckon ?

http://www.r31skylineclub.com/gallery/?display=Cool_R31_stuff%2F7th3.jpg

Joeface

hey Dagon
im current driving a honda Interga 1.6 ZX
Last year i gave the same details as you to quinn direct my insurance was 976euro third party

this year its 564

not to bad considering the year before i got the interga iwas driving a Mirage and the insurance was a wapping 1800 euro and it was only 1.3

FX Meister

From this thread I decided to get a quote on a 00 Golf GTi 185 BHP. €1400 Hibernian wanted with 3 years NCB, full license, 27 year old.

Delta_ie

Look into the integra as it is classed a liftback no a coupe so the insurance is cheaper.
Also if you are going to buy one go for the 1.6 ZXi over 1.6 ZX.
The ZXi had fuel injection so more power compared to carburated ZX.
The 1.6 integra does not come with the DOHC engine that is in the Vti and SiR, it comes with an SOHC engine like the one in the esi civic except none vtec.

Lenny

528i, yea it looks like the sentra hybird, the car doens't look as much like that pic that one is a bit shabby. its superchiped and a few extras added on to it,
I don't race randoms, just brings attention to the car getting robbed(live in tallaght)
also that speed was a once off, if a blow out or I had of hit a grain of sand at that speed the car would proberly have taken off
I really like the 00/01 golfs model, how many door is it fx?

Dagon

Hhhmmm.. well, after Joefaces post, now I'm considering getting a few quotes on an Integra 1.6 ZXi just out of interest. Under €1000 is, in my book, very good for someone my age! I really find this quote hard to believe, but I'll check quinn, even though I usually go with Axa...

IrishRover

Lenny is blatantly telling porkies there guys.

528i

thats the playstation generation for ya

FX Meister

I was looking at the 3 door Lenny. I've driven a few of them and love them. They guxxle a lot of petrol though. I drove the MK5 GTI last week and didn't like it near as much. I think the honeycomb grille makes it look cheaper than the standard model too. the MK4 came with a pretty high spec.

Joeface

Dagon wrote:

Hhhmmm.. well, after Joefaces post, now I'm considering getting a few quotes on an Integra 1.6 ZXi just out of interest. Under €1000 is, in my book, very good for someone my age! I really find this quote hard to believe, but I'll check quinn, even though I usually go with Axa...

well where or not its hard to believe 564euro is all im paying this year , AXA on the other hand wanted 1800euro for me and 123.ie said none of the companys the do business with would quote me ...then quinn direct game me that as a renewal figure ...............WHY WOULD I LEAVE..
so next year im going to buy a R-type

Dooom

Lenny wrote:

R31 model is 3 litre 6 cylinder

No it's not, the R31 had a 6 cyl 2l engine (the RB20DE (T) engine). The Fairlady 300ZR had a 3l engine. No Skyline's (bar the 1988 Skyline Ti, the GX and the Silhouette) have a 3l engine. The highest they go to is a 2.6l and I've seen a 2.8, but that had an engine swap done on it.

JB123

Lenny wrote:

DOn't sk how much the insurance on my '99 2 door nissian skyline 3.0 costs >>>

Maybe he used a nismo stroker kit 2 bring it up 2 3 liters ............or maybe he is 9 years old lol

JB123

Forgot 2 say im on my second Integra great cars.First was a 95zx Dual Carb nippy car insurance was 800 euro. Iv got a 97 Type R at the mo and shes a flyer had it on the rolling road 198bhp, insurance is 1200euro.

$lash

Yup the R31 is 2.0 6cylinder

Quick guide:

R31 - 2.0 6cylinder..
R32 - GTS 2.0, GTS-T 2.0 turbo, GTR 2.6 T-Turbo..
R33 - GTS 2.0, GTS-T 2.5 turbo, GTR 2.6 T-Turbo..
R34 - GTS 2.0, GTS-T 2.5 turbo, GTR 2.6 T-Turbo..
PV35 - GT 3.5..

Dagon

Just after phoning Quinn direct to get a quote on this car:
http://www.carzone.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carID=204536

and they WOULD NOT even quote me! They said I had to be 25 or over to be even quoted on that car (and even then, I have a feeling the insurance would not be cheap).

Perhaps because it's a jap import? I dunno... but if that's from Quinn direct, then I doubt any other companies will quote either. Joeface - the person who quoted you must have been on the beer the night before heheh..

oh well

nxbyveromdwjpg

^ well dont let that stop you, ring a few brokers. quinn direct wont insure me on the FTO im buying (no matter what age, no fto's full stop:mad:) but I got a few quotes from ringing around brokers though.. probably going to go with Britanny insurance in Donegal.. look em up.

bazz26

JB123 wrote:

Maybe he used a nismo stroker kit 2 bring it up 2 3 liters ............or maybe he is 9 years old lol

Maybe a 1.0 Micra that has a rear spoiler from a Skyline?

MojoMaker

Lenny wrote:

Ahh, its company insurance...
But I could imagine how much the insurance would cost me being on 20 and on a prov, I have clocked 194MPH in this car

You also allegedly found your parents having sex*









* except they weren't and you made it up. :rolleyes:

MojoMaker

Lenny wrote:

Ahh, its company insurance...
But I could imagine how much the insurance would cost me being on 20 and on a prov, I have clocked 194MPH in this car

You also allegedly found your parents having sex*









* except they weren't and you made it up. :rolleyes:

D!ve^Bomb!

Lenny wrote:

Ahh, its company insurance...
But I could imagine how much the insurance would cost me being on 20 and on a prov, I have clocked 194MPH in this car

you mean to tell me that that you're 20 with a provisional licence and your company pays your insurance on a 3.0ltr Skyline? :rolleyes:

get a fúckin life man

Ivan E

nm wrote:

^ well dont let that stop you, ring a few brokers. quinn direct wont insure me on the FTO im buying (no matter what age, no fto's full stop:mad:) but I got a few quotes from ringing around brokers though.. probably going to go with Britanny insurance in Donegal.. look em up.

That's something to consider as certain cars fall into certain brackets without any real reason why. I have an FTO and they are possibly one of the hardest cars to insure at the moment because they fall into a particular grey area. Because of that, most insurance companies don't want to insure them as they don't know how to class them.

Quinn Direct used to quote reasonably for them but then they stopped insuring them. The existing policy holders were still able to insure them and are on great prices now. However Quinn Direct is beginning to get known for its Customer Service being pretty bad and hard to deal with, so that's something else to consider too.

I insure my fiance's car and she insures mine. Works out a lot cheaper and I am also a named driver on hers. I can cover both prices for less than it would cost for me to insure the car myself.

bazz26

There isn't an insurance company in the country that would insure a 20 year old with a provisional license on a Skyline.

Lets move on..

Ivan E

Garage insurance would I presume.

Joeface

he would still need a full licence...I know this cause we own a garage

Ivan E

I see. No way around it then by the looks of it.

Although I remember this guy coming into the pub one night with a huge smile on his face. His name is Vivian or however you spell it. He got a great quote from a broker and when he went into get it, the broker came out saying in disbelief, Miss Vivian........

Their mistake, so they had to follow it through.

Gatster

Presuming this attempted land speed record of 194mph was in Ireland, where precisely did it take place, or have I missed something?

The guys who race on the toll roads around Tokyo at night in Skylines that are modded to values in excess of €100000 rarely get to these speeds...

Joeface

Gatster u just reminded me of some thing ...most of the Skylines here are jap imports so the clocks are more than likely in Kph not miles...194k would be approx 121mph... maybe he was just confused

also there is this thats states 155miles per hour as the top speed
Skyline

528i

stop picking on Lenny you b@stards!!

he could be abit 'special'