Clamped!!

joc_06

Not sure if right forum so please move if incorrect.

Im a new resident in rathmines and i got clamped today. I just paid the E80 to get it off.

There was no more i could humanly do to get my permit faster. I needed to get my insurance changed to do this and for that i had to get a bill in my name which takes time.

I feel i have been clamped in the wrong - what can i do??
Have i any chance of getting my money back?
Whats the fastest way of getting a permit?
Whats to stop them clamping it again tomorrow and again and again until i finally get my permit which i wont for another 2 weeks at least id say

lomb

joc_06 wrote:

Not sure if right forum so please move if incorrect.

Im a new resident in rathmines and i got clamped today. I just paid the E80 to get it off.

There was no more i could humanly do to get my permit faster. I needed to get my insurance changed to do this and for that i had to get a bill in my name which takes time.

I feel i have been clamped in the wrong - what can i do??
Have i any chance of getting my money back?
Whats the fastest way of getting a permit?
Whats to stop them clamping it again tomorrow and again and again until i finally get my permit which i wont for another 2 weeks at least id say

lol, until u are displaying a permit u will b clamped every day. just pay the going rate until u have one.

dahamsta

When they can get away with clamping an ambulance in an ambulance bay, you don't have much hope...

http://beecher.ie/pheed/?nforld

adam

Guy:Incognito

dahamsta wrote:

When they can get away with clamping an ambulance in an ambulance bay, you don't have much hope...

http://beecher.ie/pheed/?nforld

adam

the ambulance wasnt on an emergency, it was there waiting for a passenger coming off a flight. what if someone had a heart attack in the depature lounge and another ambulance couldnt get up to the door, think of the outry if someone died. Obviously some other arrangement should have been made.

seamus

People don't use ambulances for a sightseeing tour of Dublin. They use them because they contain emergency equipment they require, or because they have a particular condition that means they can't get a taxi to the hospital. The ambulance bay is (I'd hope) the closest you can get to the plane. Ergo, ambulance goes in ambulance bay, so the patient doesn't have to take stairs, escalators and pedestrian crossings to the underground carpark.
If there was a second emergency, they could have parked on the path or something. It is an emergency after all.

[Jackass]

Stekelly wrote:

the ambulance wasnt on an emergency, it was there waiting for a passenger coming off a flight. what if someone had a heart attack in the depature lounge and another ambulance couldnt get up to the door, think of the outry if someone died. Obviously some other arrangement should have been made.

Why not just use the ambulance that's alreday there? All emgergency vehicles should be immune from clamping regardless of where they're parked imo. Or better yet, don't pay te clampers by commision, that way they wont clamp anything that moves...wouldn't be suprised if they tried to clamp me while waiting for traffic lights to change...TriggerHappy style

NotMe

DubGuy22 wrote:

that way they wont clamp anything that moves...

I don't think they do anyway.

leeroybrown

As said above you'll have to pay until you have a permit to display. You'll get zero comeback from the clampers.

There was also an interesting clamping case in Galway City a while back. A parent brought their young child to a doctors surgery and when they came having been told to bring the child to the hospital they had just been clamped. The doctor told the clamper that it was a medical emergency and that the car needed to be unclamped (neither had the necessary release fee). Shortly afterwards a Garda ordered the clamper to unclamp the car and after a refusal ended up paying from their own pocket.

An apology was issued in this case.

RainyDay

Collecting a passenger returning with ski injury is not an 'emergency'. If the passenger is stable enough to fly, they are stable enough to wait a few minutes for the ambulance to come over the from the car park to pick them up. A lot of these private ambulance services are awful chancers. They'll flick on the siren & lights to get them home for their tea. I wouldn't trust these guys not to abuse parking facilities, so I cancertainly understand why the clampers would need to watch them carefully.

breadmonkey

The problem is that clampers are f*uckin scumbags.

Does anyone remember the photo that was on the front of the Irish Times about a year ago? It was a picture of a wheel + clamp in a parking space; the owner of the car sucessfully removed them and drove off. He probably got nailed anyway but I still wish I had a copy of that photo!

RainyDay

ross*k wrote:

The problem is that clampers are f*uckin scumbags.

I disagree. It used to be impossible to find a parking spot around Dublin because of the chancers who would hog a metered spot all day and feed the meter at regular intervals. Now that the clampers enforce the law, it is reasonably easy to find a spot at key city centre locations for a couple of hours when needed.

It's easy to slag them off, but they are just enforcing the law - this makes it easier for everyone (except those chancers who want to abuse the law for their own purposes).

billy the squid

well at least we managed to give the rest of the world something else to sneer at us about

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/6974464/
http://edition.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/02/15/ireland.ambulance.ap/
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4268353.stm

seamus

ross*k wrote:

The problem is that clampers are f*uckin scumbags.

This was done by Dublin Airport privately, not the normal clampers. Even they're not that dumb.

RicardoSmith

RainyDay wrote:

Collecting a passenger returning with ski injury is not an 'emergency'. If the passenger is stable enough to fly, they are stable enough to wait a few minutes for the ambulance to come over the from the car park to pick them up. A lot of these private ambulance services are awful chancers. They'll flick on the siren & lights to get them home for their tea. I wouldn't trust these guys not to abuse parking facilities, so I cancertainly understand why the clampers would need to watch them carefully.

I can imagine its a big problem, illegal parked ambulances. :rolleyes:

ZENER

Sorry for resurecting this thread but I have to comment here.

Firstly the vehicle that was clamped at Dublin Airport was NOT an ambulance in the true sense, it was a 7 seater MPV used by a private ambulance company to collect passangers that pre arranged collection for various reasons. This vehicle contained no stretchers or medical equipment of any kind. It was NOT there on an emergency call of any kind.

The papers "reports" of this incident were grossly innacurate and blatantly untrue in this case and reflected unfairly on the Airport Police staff involved.

It should also be noted that the Airport Authority makes facilities available to these companies for such situations but on this occasion the driver (dublin fire service man on a nixer btw) took it upon himself to ignore the procedures that have operated and worked for many years and to abuse airport staff who went out of their way to try to find the drivers. They were eating breakfast on the mezz level at the time while waiting for a flight that was not due for another 90 minutes.So the situation was that a non emergency vehicle was illegally parked in an emergency bay.

The details of this incident were largely ignored by the press and I also believe that the press officer at the airport could have done more to support the staff who are constantly under scrutiny from an ever more critical public.

ZEN

Downtime

joc_06 wrote:

Not sure if right forum so please move if incorrect.

Im a new resident in rathmines and i got clamped today. I just paid the E80 to get it off.

There was no more i could humanly do to get my permit faster. I needed to get my insurance changed to do this and for that i had to get a bill in my name which takes time.

I feel i have been clamped in the wrong - what can i do??
Have i any chance of getting my money back?
Whats the fastest way of getting a permit?
Whats to stop them clamping it again tomorrow and again and again until i finally get my permit which i wont for another 2 weeks at least id say

If you get something with your new address on it from your landlord you can get visitors passes that last 24 hours from the City Council offices.

seamus

I guess this is the best place for it.

RicardoSmith

ZENER wrote:

Sorry for resurecting this thread but I have to comment here.

Firstly the vehicle that was clamped at Dublin Airport was NOT an ambulance in the true sense, it was a 7 seater MPV used by a private ambulance company to collect passangers that pre arranged collection for various reasons. This vehicle contained no stretchers or medical equipment of any kind. It was NOT there on an emergency call of any kind.

The papers "reports" of this incident were grossly innacurate and blatantly untrue in this case and reflected unfairly on the Airport Police staff involved.

It should also be noted that the Airport Authority makes facilities available to these companies for such situations but on this occasion the driver (dublin fire service man on a nixer btw) took it upon himself to ignore the procedures that have operated and worked for many years and to abuse airport staff who went out of their way to try to find the drivers. They were eating breakfast on the mezz level at the time while waiting for a flight that was not due for another 90 minutes.So the situation was that a non emergency vehicle was illegally parked in an emergency bay.

The details of this incident were largely ignored by the press and I also believe that the press officer at the airport could have done more to support the staff who are constantly under scrutiny from an ever more critical public.

ZEN

In that case it sounds like the crew need a slap.

Just shows that the standard of reporting in this country is absymal.

seamus

RicardoSmith wrote:

In that case it sounds like the crew need a slap.

Just shows that the standard of reporting in this country is absymal.

It's not that the reporting was poor, it's that papers now wnt to put spin on everything to suit what they think will sell papers. Nobody wants a story about an ambulance company's bus being rightly clamped. But a story about an ambulance being clamped in an ambulance zone. Well that's brilliant! Don't we all know that clampers are evil anyway? Here's more fuel for the fire. The story isn't wholly truthful? Pah! Who cares?

RicardoSmith

seamus wrote:

It's not that the reporting was poor, it's that papers now wnt to put spin on everything to suit what they think will sell papers. Nobody wants a story about an ambulance company's bus being rightly clamped. But a story about an ambulance being clamped in an ambulance zone. Well that's brilliant! Don't we all know that clampers are evil anyway? Here's more fuel for the fire. The story isn't wholly truthful? Pah! Who cares?

The either didn't get the facts right, or choose to ignore them. :mad:

I'd call that abysmal.

ZENER

Part of the conditions of employment contract at most companies is a NDC. Because of this the press office at the airport are the only legit source of info for the press. I blame them for not being fully aware of the facts surrounding the case and for unconditionally apologising for the actions of there own work collegues who were doing their job correctly and in accordance with procedure. Many staff feel that this was an afront to their integrity and feel let down by the company.

How ever much we display our dislike for clampers or whatever profession that's not in vogue today we have to accept that they have a job to do, but in this case the staff involved are highly trained Airport Police officers who approached this incident fairly from the point of view of the driver. They could have called the Gardai but didn't which saved the man his job I'd say.

Clamping the van was the absolute last resort because the officers were aware that this would make the space unavailable for a longer period but due to the attitude and behaviour of the driver - who insisted on locking himself into his "ambulance" for 10 minutes - and the failure of the drivers boss to negotiate with him no other option was left !!

I'd just like to point out here that the details provided above are from sources close to the incident but the comments and opinions expressed are my own and not those of DAA.

ZEN

mean mr mustard

i got clamped on the street i live on recently. i have the use of a pool car from work occasionally - it doesnt jusitfy coughing up the money for a residents permit. sometimes i feed the meter, sometimes i stick on a visitors permit, sometimes i dont bother doing anything at all as the clampers rarely come down the street. but i got caught a month or two ago and had to cough up the 80 euro fine.

i wrote a letter of compaint to the council saying that i had a valid visitors permit on the car at the time (i didnt) i included a photocopy of a visitors permit for the time i was clamped. i argued that it must have fallen down the side of the car when i closed the door. i also included photocopies of esb bills etc to prove i am a resident of the street in question. a week later my claim was denied in writing. but they advised me of an appeal form, so i filled that out - venemously, stating how unfair i felt this was, and how €80 was a lot of money to me, and went into a bit of a rant about 'rip-off ireland'.

a week letter i got a cheque for €40 as a goodwill gesture. better than nothing!!

my advice would be to fight it, get loads of proof that you are resident on the street and keep sending em letters and forms etc. takes a bit of effort but you might get some or all of the €80 back.

lomb

how much is a residential permit anyway?

HarryD

mean mr mustard wrote:

i got clamped on the street i live on recently. i have the use of a pool car from work occasionally -

You should have thought about that before you took the job !

A doctor friend got clamped, and she wrote to em, saying she was a doctor
on call, and the sign was in the window..
She got her money back..
That was in NI.. I think the guys in ROI are more ruthless though..

ZENER wrote:

Part of the conditions of employment contract at most companies is a NDC.

???
Do you mean NDA ?

dahamsta

lomb wrote:

how much is a residential permit anyway?

Fiver in Cork anyway. No idea why anyone would want to put it up and take it down like mean mr mustard. It comes with a "tax disc holder" down here that you affix to the inside of the windscreen, I see nothing to be gained by moving it.

Pity they gave in and gave him back that €40. Obviously doesn't understand the word "fraud".

adam

mean mr mustard

dahamsta - i said i sometimes display a visitors permit, not a permanent residential permit (i don't have one of those - i wasn't prepared to pay for one as i rarely have a car to park at my flat).

the visitors permits cost about €3.75 a pop. they are just a wee piece of paper that you can scratch off the date and times on and throw on your dashboard. i sometimes use them, i sometimes don't. depends on how long i'm gonna have the car parked there for. at the time i got clamped i wasn't using one. so i told a little white lie in order to make my claim...

as for the use of the word 'fraud'... i live on a quiet cul-de-sac. it is a good way out of the city centre.. not near any hospitals, supermarkets. there are ALWAYS plenty of parking spaces available. i live on the street, i wasn't parking there to go off shopping or visiting anyone. so i felt hard done by when i was clamped and yer damn right i contested it and tried to get my money back. i don't view it as fraud, not one f00kin bit.

Gordon

Well you did lie, to be honest. You must admit that it technically is fraud.

mean mr mustard

forgive me father...

...i signed nothing.

dahamsta

mean mr mustard wrote:

the visitors permits cost about €3.75 a pop. they are just a wee piece of paper that you can scratch off the date and times on and throw on your dashboard.

Ah, we call those "Parking Discs" down here in the People's Republic. Trust us culshies to come up with a logical, descriptive term, eh? (Although to be fair, they're not discs.)

as for the use of the word 'fraud'

You didn't use a parking disc in an area that obviously used one and got a ticket. Everything's A-OK so far. However when you challenged it, you committed fraud. It might not be selling the Eiffel Tower to an unsuspecting Texan, but it remains fraud.

adam

gurramok

mean mr mustard wrote:

the visitors permits cost about €3.75 a pop. they are just a wee piece of paper that you can scratch off the date and times on and throw on your dashboard. i sometimes use them, i sometimes don't. depends on how long i'm gonna have the car parked there for. at the time i got clamped i wasn't using one. so i told a little white lie in order to make my claim...
.

The cost must vary then from place to place.
My girlfriends street in D4 costs me €1.25 a pop for 24hr parking visitor permit when i sleep my car on her street

Capt'n Midnight

You need.. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/3112670.stm

Angle-grinder Man

sceptre

lomb wrote:

how much is a residential permit anyway?

€6.35 a year in Limerick.

mean mr mustard

the visitors permit costs €1:25 where i am too, dunno why i thought it was €3.75.

and yes i suppose it was fraud, but very minor. but i got half the €80 back, je regrette rien.

mean mr mustard

residential permit where i am costs around €70 and you are restricted to one per flat/apartment - my girlfriend needed one which is another reason i don't have one.

jhegarty

mean mr mustard wrote:

residential permit where i am costs around €70 and you are restricted to one per flat/apartment - my girlfriend needed one which is another reason i don't have one.

its about €5 down in waterford....and you can get them for any car registered at the address..... where does it cost €70 a year... it this private or council ?

BrianD

I think its €44 for a 2 year permit for Dublin City Council. €1.85 per day for the visitor passes. I can't recall how many you are entitled to buy per year.

If you live in a purpose built apartment block with car parking and you do not have a space you are not entitled to a street permit. Also there was some talk last year that would make it difficult for those living in houses converted into flats to get permits as well.

Victor

mean mr mustard wrote:

as for the use of the word 'fraud'... i live on a quiet cul-de-sac. it is a good way out of the city centre.. not near any hospitals, supermarkets. there are ALWAYS plenty of parking spaces available. i live on the street, i wasn't parking there to go off shopping or visiting anyone. so i felt hard done by when i was clamped and yer damn right i contested it and tried to get my money back. i don't view it as fraud, not one f00kin bit.

Someone probably complained (not necessarily about you), but when they went looking they found you. They tend not to seek out people in purely residential areas unless there is a complaint.

If it's a pool car, why don't you get your boss to pay for the permits? Or do you defraud your boss also?

HarryD wrote:

A doctor friend got clamped, and she wrote to em, saying she was a doctor on call, and the sign was in the window.. She got her money back.. That was in NI.. I think the guys in ROI are more ruthless though..

But anyone could put "doctor on call" signs in the windows.

HarryD wrote:

Do you mean NDA ?

NDC = Non-disclosure clause
NDA = Non-disclosure agreement

Ah, we call those "Parking Discs" down here in the People's Republic.

Visitors permits are issued to residents for visitors - overnight guests, plumbers, people coming for dinner as opposed to someone popping in for 5 minutes who can pop 20c in the meter.

www.dublincity.ie FAQ "Parking"

Who is eligible for a residential parking permit? #5752
There are restrictions on entitlement and eligibility under the Bye-Laws, depending on the classification of the road (whether heavy or low demand), the type of building (whether a single residence, a house divided into flats or a purpose - built apartment block), subject to one parking permit per eligible resident. For exact details, please see the conditions on the first - time application form. Employees, businesses and landlords are not eligible for residential parking permits.

How much does a parking permit cost? #5756
The renewal fees for all pre 1st April 2004 permit holders is €35 for 1 year and €65 for 2 years. Post 1st April 2004, fees are as follows: €400 for 1 year or €750 for 2 years if your building contains more than 4 housing units, has off road parking available to it and is located in a low demand zone(includes converted houses and apartment blocks). €400 for 1 year or €750 for 2 years if your building is a converted house, contains more than 4 housing units, has off road parking availbale to it and is located in a heavy demand zone. Where a converted house contains more than 4 housing units and is located in a heavy demand zone, the overall entitlement for that building is 4 residents permits or the permit quota (if applicable) if greater, subject to 1 residents permit per housing unit. For all other first time applicants: €70 for 1 year and €130 for 2 years.

I think its €44 for a 2 year permit for Dublin City Council. €1.85 per day for the visitor passes. I can't recall how many you are entitled to buy per year.

You get some free and in theory can by as many as you want, probably limited to 365 a year. Of course it doesn't guarantee a space.

If you live in a purpose built apartment block with car parking and you do not have a space you are not entitled to a street permit. Also there was some talk last year that would make it difficult for those living in houses converted into flats to get permits as well.

Houses converted into flats = 1 per household, up to 4 per building

Purpose built apartment = none, unless it is a low demand area then one per household

parsi

RicardoSmith wrote:

The either didn't get the facts right, or choose to ignore them. :mad:

I'd call that abysmal.

I was driving down from Dublin yesterday evening and traffic on the N7 was desperately slow (how do ye Dubs put up with it with nary a word of complaint..) and all of a sudden I noticed a LifeLine ambulance driving along the hard shoulder (overtaking all of us) , then pulling back in lane for a while, then out again into the hard shoulder. Of course no lights or siren were being used so it looks like yet another abuse by the company..

Victor

parsi wrote:

Of course no lights or siren were being used so it looks like yet another abuse by the company..

May have been an abuse ....

Bee

breadmonkey wrote:

The problem is that clampers are f*uckin scumbags.

Oh dear,

That's a very unkind comment. Even Paedophiles need employment.N.B. (I am in no way referring to the kind hearted public spirited clampers doing their duty etc) N.B. The Nazi's at Nuremberg said they wer "Only doing their duty, following orders".

The real culprits are the unelected DCC Traffic Dept management who gave free rein with no unbiased accountability to the above mentioned etc etc.

Bee

Bee

Victor wrote:

They tend not to seek out people in purely residential areas unless there is a complaint.

And you believe in Sanata Claus and the Tooth Fairy as well!

Bee

Victor

Bee wrote:

The real culprits are the unelected DCC Traffic Dept management who gave free rein with no unbiased accountability to the above mentioned etc etc.

Take it elsewhere.

Does the city council run the airport?

Bee

I never thought I could agre with a PeeDee but a reminder...

Progressive Democrats Transport Spokesperson Senator Tom Morrissey has hit out at Dublin's clampers, Control Plus, and called for immediate regulation of the service.

"What happened in Dublin city yesterday was a disgrace," says Senator Morrissey. "While I could not condone the action of Nicky Potterton in removing the clamp, was such a heavy handed approach taken by the clampers really necessary? Being boxed in by no less than eight clamper vans, garda patrol cars arriving on the scene, and a 30 minute stand off, causing the sort of traffic congestion that clamping is meant to prevent."

"If commercial drivers face this possibility every time they journey into Dublin, then city centre deliveries will simply stop and businesses will be badly hit. Control Plus have been given carte blanche by Dublin Corporation to operate this service but some type of regulation and control is clearly necessary. This service needs to be under the auspices of a transport regulator, not a corporation official," says Senator Morrissey.

"The huge public support that Mr. Potterton received is proof that Dublin city motorists are deeply unhappy with the service. They feel there is no real system of redress in place. This situation needs to be sorted out and quickly."


Bee

Victor

Bee wrote:

I never thought I could agre with a PeeDee but a reminder...

From Press Release dated 7 February 2003 ?

martyFarty

I unfortunately got clamped today and I have to say I can't remember the last time I was so pissed off. I was on my way home to Limerick for the weekend and I called into work for literally 1 minute on the way. When I came out I saw the clamper standing beside my car dusting his dirty little clammy hands. I confronted him an tried to plead that I was in a hurry home for easter I was only parked for barely one minute. I told him I had no money, my credtit card is maxed out and I've no way of getting money.All true. He was having none of it. Eventualy I called him every name under the sun and he drove off. I had to call my friend and use his credit card to pay for the thing. Moral of the story is I ****ing hate clampers and I hope to catch one em down a dark alley some night. They really are heartless bastards!

Victor

Then appeal.

BuffyBot

martyFarty wrote:

I unfortunately got clamped today and I have to say I can't remember the last time I was so pissed off. I was on my way home to Limerick for the weekend and I called into work for literally 1 minute on the way. When I came out I saw the clamper standing beside my car dusting his dirty little clammy hands. I confronted him an tried to plead that I was in a hurry home for easter I was only parked for barely one minute. I told him I had no money, my credtit card is maxed out and I've no way of getting money.All true. He was having none of it. Eventualy I called him every name under the sun and he drove off. I had to call my friend and use his credit card to pay for the thing. Moral of the story is I ****ing hate clampers and I hope to catch one em down a dark alley some night. They really are heartless bastards!

Ever consider that the person he dealt with before just gave him the same level of crap for doing his job, and that's why he wasn't all to sympathetic to you? No? Perhaps you should. Then you might realise the approaching it in a different manner altogether might have helped your case.

RainyDay

martyFarty wrote:

I unfortunately got clamped today and I have to say I can't remember the last time I was so pissed off. I was on my way home to Limerick for the weekend and I called into work for literally 1 minute on the way.

1 minute? I can't see how a clamper could physically manage to find your car, get the clamp out of his car and fit the clamp, all within 'barely one minute'. Is it possible that there is a bit of exaggeration here - was it 3 minutes? or 5 minutes? or maybe 10 minutes?

What makes you think that you have the right to inconvenience other drivers by parking illegally? Why didn't you find a legal parking spot for yourself, and inconvenience yourself slightly, instead of inconveniencing others.

martyFarty wrote:

I told him I had no money, my credtit card is maxed out and I've no way of getting money.All true.

So I take it you won't be in the pub at all this weekend? or buying petrol? or buying food? Do you really think these guys should let off anyone who comes up with a good story about having no money? That would defeat the purpose of the entire clamping process.

martyFarty wrote:

Eventualy I called him every name under the sun

You're a real charmer. The guy is just doing his job, keeping the roads clear for the rest of us. And you feel entitled to abuse him. What goes around, comes around.

martyFarty wrote:

I had to call my friend and use his credit card to pay for the thing. Moral of the story is I ****ing hate clampers and I hope to catch one em down a dark alley some night. They really are heartless bastards!

If 'heartless bastards' means 'enforcing the law', then yes, you might be right. Are you one of those people who reckons that laws are for other people to worry about, but you're a special case, so you should get away with your illegal actions. Bet you won't park there again next week.

Victor wrote:

Then appeal.

Don't think Marty is very appealing.

martyFarty

Christ RainyDay, you really are living up to your miserable name

Yes it was 1 minute, maybe 2.

No, I didn't inconvenience any other drivers.

Of course I called him every name under the sun. He was a complete prick. I tried be nice about the whole thing but he just ignored me.

Yes they are heartless bastards. Do you honestly think they give a damn about upholding the law. Don't be so naieve. Its all about money. They clamp me they get money, they let me go they get no money.

As for appealing, I am but I don't expect to get anywhere.

Victor

If you can't be civil, go away.

RainyDay

martyFarty wrote:

Yes it was 1 minute, maybe 2.

Interesting - so now your estimate of the time involved has doubled (from 1 to 2) under questioning. We're all left wondering what the real figure was.

martyFarty wrote:

No, I didn't inconvenience any other drivers.

So please explain why there are double-yellows at that location at all?

martyFarty wrote:

Of course I called him every name under the sun. He was a complete prick. I tried be nice about the whole thing but he just ignored me.

So you tried to be nice until you realised that you couldn't spoof you way out of the fine, and then you reverted to your true form. I'm not sure what you do for a living, but do you expect your clients to be civil to you all the time?

martyFarty wrote:

Yes they are heartless bastards. Do you honestly think they give a damn about upholding the law. Don't be so naieve. Its all about money. They clamp me they get money, they let me go they get no money.

Utter nonsense. They don't operate on commission. He gets the same pay cheque whether he clamps 1 car or 100 cars. In Dublin, his employer gets the same contract fee whether they clamp 1 car or 100 cars. The fine goes to the local authority, not the clamping sub-contractor.