Whos who and why why?

Zillah

I was thinking, there's a bunch of us that post here a lot and I've never been quite sure who's who and what they believe etc etc. So partly out of curiosity and partly out of the hope of starting an interesting dicussion, let's find out whos who?

I'm very scientific. Not in a needlessly sceptical way, in a healthy way. I believe science can explain everything, absolutely everthing, it's just that some things science has yet to explain. People in 1450 couldn't explain lightning, and in the same way there is plenty that we can't explain today. Ghosts, psychics and any other phenomena you care to name will either be understood by science, or disproved. This is my belief in a general sense.

In a more specific sense; I have never seen a ghost, never encountered anything I believe must be paranormal(ie not yet explained) but have great hope of it someday. The only thing vaguely possibly supernatural is the fact that often when I walk into an old building I get an inexplicable and very bizarre sensation. I don't know what it is, and can't offer an explanation, but it's always to do with old things. I've met two people who are openly psychic(brother and sister) and both said they got an odd vibe from me. They didn't give more detail. I've also had sleep paralysis twice in the last month, which I know has been explained, but it's strange that the first time was just recently and then again so soon.



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solas

I've had lots of experiences but I'd like to look at things differently and this is a good place to do it.
I'm sure science will have many answers, I don't think they have them all yet, but there are great oppertunities there to be discovered.
I'm more spiritually inclined though, which isn't really based on finding evidence or prooving things, if ghosts and stuff were all disproved tomorrow it would make little difference to me and how I choose to view life.

oh btw..I know you like doing the detective work, take a look at the aparitions thread, I'm interested in hearing any rational explanation.

Oryx

Im also spiritually inclined, because of things that have happened to me. But I also have a large dose of skepticism when it comes to this field, because while I know it is real, I dont appreciate anyone getting conned and theres a lot of it about. I am also interested in seeing if science can come up with an explantation of this kind of thing.

I came onto boards to try and meet people who were going thru the same kind of thing as me, and I have met some really open and kind individuals. There is a certain amount of negativity here tho, which in my case, makes it hard for me to be open and fully honest.

I have seen a ghost. I have had communication from spirit. I have been able to use remote viewing. I do get 'vibes' and visual information from old buildings etc. Ive done limited amounts of palmistry and psychometry, but thats not where my heart lies. Thats just some of it so you know where im coming from. If anyone out there has a similar tale, Id love to know. Or if you know how/why this works ditto!

[Jackass]

I have no experiences, in the sense i've seen anything...and i would be extremely frightend if i ever did see a ghost or anything like that, but i do believe in "ghosts", even though i don't like that word..makes people think of kids in white sheets...but i'm certain there's a force, or energy wave or something that is beyond the physical, however, i don't believe in religion, as i believe that it was a medi-evil scienentific explanation, which has long since expired, but (as is very documented) the church was a very corrupt institution, that became powerfull using scare tactics,and got so powerfull it managed to ensure it cements it's place in society (makes you wonder why so many people have died, and so many wars hae been fought over religion...it's a mental plague imo). Beyond that, i have absolutely no explenation...which is why im so interested

Goodshape

I read more than I post here, but this thread's a good idea so thought I'd contribute to it anyway.

I've always been interested in the possibility that what's directly visible (or audible, touchable, etc.) to the average person isn't necessarily all that's out there - be it ghosts or spirits, the human sub-concious or other dimensions.

I believe open-mindedness is key. It can be all too easy to attribute a sensation or feeling to what you had for breakfast this morning and not give it a second thought. Or to conclude that how other people appear to live their lives is how life is actually lived - dismissing anything that may lie below the surface, if that makes sense.

More recently I've been reading a good bit about lucid dreaming and what can be done with that. Fascinating stuff which seems to be gathering a lot more acceptance within the general public.

To my knowledge I've never seen a ghost or spirit, nor come across anything I'd really call supernatural or paranormal.

I think 'Science' is an evolving philosophy and yes, presumably, given time, almost anything can be proven / disproved using scientific methods. But as it is always changing you have to account for the possibility that what is scientific fact today, might be completely refuted next week.

Zillah

Goodshape wrote:

I read more than I post here

Glad to hear from you.

Gooshape wrote:

More recently I've been reading a good bit about lucid dreaming and what can be done with that. Fascinating stuff which seems to be gathering a lot more acceptance within the general public.

Lucid dreaming isn't paranormal, its scientifically accepted fact and can be learned by anyone with a little bit of effort.

KatieK wrote:

There is a certain amount of negativity here tho

I hope i'm not responsible for this? My intention is always to keep people grounded. Everything we can debunk only gives more credence to that which we can't. Out of curiosity, what did your remote viewing consist of?

orangerooster

At the start of this forum I used to post a good bit but then something happened that meant I wasnt online as much, the same thing pretty much killed my belief in the paranormal so I dont come here that often anymore.

Zillah

orangerooster wrote:

At the start of this forum I used to post a good bit but then something happened that meant I wasnt online as much, the same thing pretty much killed my belief in the paranormal so I dont come here that often anymore.

I forbid you from being so vague. Explain!
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Oryx

Nope ph. nothing to do with you, you have a sense of humour that lessens the impact of what you say

The remote viewing is something I dont treat very seriously, for me its more of a game. If Im going somewhere Ive never been, I can often describe details of it before I get there. A guy once asked me to 'scan' a house he was hoping to buy, and i couldnt get there, so I did it remotely, and described the house to him pretty accurately. I get a series of images, details of the place, but sometimes if I then visit, the details can be a bit different, or directions can be skewed, so it must be based to some extent on how my mind processes the images.

Ive also used it to find things that were lost, but wish I could do that more often!

orangerooster

phlematic wrote:

I forbid you from being so vague. Explain!
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Someone close to me got very sick,then I got sick and that kind of just killed my belief in something "more"-I'm not entirely sure why but it did.

Oryx

orangerooster wrote:

Someone close to me got very sick,then I got sick and that kind of just killed my belief in something "more"-I'm not entirely sure why but it did.

Sorry to hear that. God knows something could happen to any one of us, that would change our whole opinion and bring everything into a different perspective. Hope you feeling ok now.

solas

Someone close to me got very sick,then I got sick and that kind of just killed my belief in something "more"-I'm not entirely sure why but it did.

did the person who got sick have little "faith" for want of a beter word, of something more? and were you being bastardized by other people for your "beliefs" at the same time, inhibiting your ability to compensate?

don't know if that makes sense, perhaps you are empathic and picked up on their feelings...happens a lot.

stormkeeper

I'm a spiritually-inclined person, much like a few people on this board. I came here as I have a big interest in all things paranormal. I pretty much sayed here after seeing more like-minded people come along, though for a time, I was a member of the PRAI, which I joined through here, and I was assigned as the spiritual person, since I was the only one who was spiritual in the group. I had to leave due to personal reasons, namely moving to a different country, as a few people may have noticed, bit I still come here from time to time to see how things are progressing.

I believe I'm psychic or gifted (whatever term you like), namely due to numerous events that have happened, which I'm not going to mention just yet, but because of my experiences in Charleville Castle, my belief in ghosts has been reenforced.

I really dunno what else I can put down here to be honest, as I'm really bad at answering open-ended questions...

[Jackass]

Define "Spiritally inclined", is this a religious belief? or the existence of ghosts? please elaborate someone.

stormkeeper

Well, "spiritually inclined" is pretty much the opposite of "scientifically inclined", though I do consider myself a spiritual person in terms of faith, but the closest faith to my beliefs is Paganism or Wicca. I also consider myself a witch, or if you like wizard, since I'm a guy and all

solas

best not to crack any magik wand jokes then..?

Oryx

Spirituality is not essentially religious, for me it is a belief in something other than that which we can see/hear/touch. Not so much a god figure or higher power, but a separate existence which goes beyond the physical plane. I wouldnt describe myself as religious at all, but i do my best to connect to the spiritual.

stormkeeper

solas wrote:

best not to crack any magik wand jokes then..?

Go ahead, I don't mind... why should I kick up a fuss about something meant in jest? It's not like it would be an insult or anything, and I'm not likely to turn you into a frog for such a thing, I promise... Besides, my spell knowldge is squat anyway, lol

I'm essentually Agnostic in my belief system, though I occasionally drift into Wicca at times with usage of the word "Gods", then I end up sometimes saying "Whoever's up there". I'm not ready to comit to any faith yet, not until I know myself better...

stevenmu

I used to be a complete and utter skeptic. If something wasn't generally accepted scientific fact then I wouldn't accept it either. Then I had a few experiences with precognition and telepathy and didn't know what to believe. So I started posting here hoping somebody would have answers. I'm still inclined to think that ultimatly science can and will explain pretty much everything, it just may not look like anything currently accepted as science today. I'm pretty interested in the more spiritual aspect too, altough mainly because I tend to believe that many of the concepts and ideas in various religions have a factual basis but they've been fudged a bit to suit the various purposes of those religions.

Ultimately I suppose I came here in an effort to understand everything to do with the paranormal, human potential etc. I guess I'm not really good at accepting that there are some things we'll just never know about. The best way I can think of doing that is dicussing things with other people, seeing what they think and deciding for myself what makes sense and what doesn't.

I also mostly read this board and, over the past few months, it's been very interesting and thought-provoking, reading some of your threads and I hope to contribute some time.

I like to believe that science can only explain so much (although one never knows) and I believe in the existence of ghosts, apparitions, etc. and other inexplicable phenomena.

No particular reason (I've never seen a ghost), other than from reading paranormal literature, but i find it fascinating and I believe that so many people who lay claim to having seen ghosts cannot ALL be lying...there's truth somewhere.

solas

There is a certain amount of negativity here tho, which in my case, makes it hard for me to be open and fully honest.

I'm sure there are more than one or two who would (if it was possible) concur with the sentiment.
I remind myself this is a paranormal forum and not a spiritual retreat in which to meet likeminded folk. As those who are spiritually inclined, tend to think (and speak) with their hearts, it can be difficult to be surrounded by those who are closed to experience and tend to think with their heads and are more concerned with rationalising what they cannot explain.

Not suggesting spiritual people don't have a brain either!

Define "Spiritally inclined", is this a religious belief? or the existence of ghosts?

I consider myself a Christian, Hindu, Moslem, Jew, Buddhist and confucian.~ Mohandes Ghandi

Frith

i'm new here... just have a quick read mostly. I believe we are all spirits and this is just a stage of our evolution. I don't necessay think there has to be a "god" ... a supreme being... i think we are all connected spiritually and collectively we all are "god"... i know it sounds a bit far out but someone asked
have any of ye read any of patrick francis (paddy mcmahon) books called the grand design?

Zillah

Frith wrote:

i'm new here... just have a quick read mostly. I believe we are all spirits and this is just a stage of our evolution. I don't necessay think there has to be a "god" ... a supreme being... i think we are all connected spiritually and collectively we all are "god"... i know it sounds a bit far out but someone asked
have any of ye read any of patrick francis (paddy mcmahon) books called the grand design?

But surely you agree that all of this is just a philosophy and doesn't neccessarily mean any of it has any likely hood of being true? I'm going to presume that you don't have any empirical evidence to back it up?

I like the idea of people believing something while admitting it's probably only because they want to.

Oryx

I dont presume to speak for Frith, but I would totally agree with her philosophy of oneness, and that we are all part of a connected energy. It is true for me, and true for her, and I cant explain how we got to this belief, its part of a journey, you kinda have to be there Of course it cannot be proved, were into the realm of metaphysics here! It is in mans nature to philosophise, and seek deeper meaning to the physical world.

You could argue that most established religions dont have empirical evidence to back them up, its the nature of the thing.

[Jackass]

MoonHawk wrote:

No particular reason (I've never seen a ghost), other than from reading paranormal literature, but i find it fascinating and I believe that so many people who lay claim to having seen ghosts cannot ALL be lying...there's truth somewhere.

My thoughts on the subject summed up exactly. No smoke without fire and all that......

I Don't think we ever "die" in te sense of ceasing to exist...i defenatly think there is some sort of spirital plain(sp?), but not in a religious sense, not like a supreme creator philospihie like somebody said already....It's hard to explain.

Great thread by the way....Very interesting to hear different peoples different opinions on paranormal/unexplained phenominom.

To the people who say they don't like to be totaly honest here for fear of the negative people, that really disappoints me (not at those people, but of the situation), because i would really like to have a deep discussion sometime on here with everyone about this kind of stuff, but that couldn't happen if everyone was going to hold back

Besides there's already a sceptics forum!!

Oryx

DubGuy22 wrote:

To the people who say they don't like to be totaly honest here for fear of the negative people, that really disappoints me (not at those people, but of the situation), because i would really like to have a deep discussion sometime on here with everyone about this kind of stuff, but that couldn't happen if everyone was going to hold back

Besides there's already a sceptics forum!!

Ahem, that was me. I had a hot n heavy discussion back in Jan, which kinda threw me a bit, because there are things I could post here that would reinforce my case quite a bit, but I made a decision not to because it doesnt only involve me, and with this being a public forum it would not be the right thing to do. Its deeply frustrating to be up against the brick wall of skepticism and not be able to explain WHY I think the way I do. I dont believe in psychic phenomenon because its happy clappy or fashionable. It has been proven to me many times, not through vague 'you will find love' fortune telling, but by concrete evidence of detail involving people who have passed. Of course the most frustrating part is that this is not a party trick I can demonstrate here, if I could, youd see me on Pat Kenny and Living TV, and Id never have to do a day job again

Frith

phlematic wrote:

But surely you agree that all of this is just a philosophy and doesn't neccessarily mean any of it has any likely hood of being true? I'm going to presume that you don't have any empirical evidence to back it up?

I like the idea of people believing something while admitting it's probably only because they want to.

yes i do believe without fulling knowing but have had a few experiences that have convinced me that this is what i think must be so. but of course i can never back it up... which i undestand would be a problem for you... but for me it's just a fact of life.. the same and breathing..i would even go as far as saying i expect too much from passing over.. it will be (i think) much like here.. but we will be very much more aware of our spirituality and therefore more aware of each other. that to me is what it's all about

Zillah

Frith wrote:

have had a few experiences that have convinced me

KatieK wrote:

It has been proven to me many times, not through vague 'you will find love' fortune telling, but by concrete evidence of detail involving people who have passed.

So you both claim to have encountered enough evidence to convince you, yet you're unwilling to share it...? Hmm

To katieK, giving people details about those that have passed is by no means proof. Of course I don't know the details of your encounter but do not be so quick to presume you can't have been tricked. Think of Derren Brown, he has never claimed to have magic powers, quite the opposite, but I guarantee you if he wanted to convince someone he was psychic he could do it. Hell there's people that think he is a psychic even when he's said he isn't.

Never underestimate how easy it is to trick another human being, our brains can really suck at times.

Imagine a professional magician doing a magic trick WITHOUT telling anyone he's a magician or that it's a trick...?

EDIT: Don't let the current dicussion disuade people from posting along the original topic, more welcome!

solas

phlematic wrote:

So you both claim to have encountered enough evidence to convince you, yet you're unwilling to share it...? Hmm

I'm not in the habit of quoting the bible very often, but I thought this was appropriate.

Matt 7
[6] "Do not give dogs what is holy; and do not throw your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under foot and turn to attack you.

Zillah

I had planned a more elaborate post but I decided it's not worth it. Don't be so snide is the short version.


And that quote specifically can be translated roughly as "I can't share it with you, you are not worthy/enlightened/deserving" etc etc.

It's the kind of sanctimonious self righteous lazy philosophically insecure pile of bullsh1t I hate about christianity the most.

Its almost as if they're warning them not to discuss their faith with sceptic lest the light of logic and reason burn away the flimsy thread of "faith."


Ps, KatieK, my hostile attitude is towards Christianity and its aggressive conservative views, not the spritually inclined, I'd be honoured if you'd continue our discussion.

solas

And that quote specifically can be translated roughly as "I can't share it with you, you are not worthy/enlightened/deserving" etc etc.

thats not my interpretation. Some people have hopes and dreams, they are sensative and kind hearted, they have "faith" because of experiences, why share those hopes and dreams with people who are not so much interested in sharing them as they are in destroying them, for no other reason than they don't share the same perspective. It would be better for them to keep the things which are precious to them safe and out of harms way, than to share them with people who have little respect for them and who might cause harm unintentionally by not appreciating them.

Its almost as if they're warning them not to discuss their faith with sceptic lest the light of logic and reason burn away the flimsy thread of "faith."

I made the comment in response to the question of spirituality which I have already stated is not based on finding proof or evidence, it is something gained from experiences, why try to destroy someones experience if it has given them happiness?
I have no issue with anyone doing their best to debunk myth or paranormal activity, but spirituality doesn't fall within that category.
If someone takes pleasure in watching the sun come up are you going to try and reason with them that logically there is nothing to get exicted about, it's only a very large ball of gas which the earth rotates around on daily basis, just because you don't see the pleasure in it personally?

If people wanted to share their experiences in order to have them debunked or reasoned or explained logically or scientifically, there is a skeptics forum here where they can do so. At the moment I see very little difference between that forum and the paranormal one. The only difference being there are more "believers" here to debunk.

solas

dubguy22 wrote:

To the people who say they don't like to be totaly honest here for fear of the negative people, that really disappoints me (not at those people, but of the situation), because i would really like to have a deep discussion sometime on here with everyone about this kind of stuff, but that couldn't happen if everyone was going to hold back.

It would be good to have a place where likeminded people could gather and discuss without fear of reprisal, (I would love to have a really deep discussion on the topic too) I think a spirituality forum had been suggested a few times but has been refused. For the most part mediumship and psychic abilities would probably better fall under the category of the metaphysical, in the broader terms of the spiritual.

Frith

phlematic.. ya i've had a few experience..would love to have more... i've had contact (briefly) from 2 friends who have passed over, and it was not just in my mind cos i've tried several times since , it happened just after they had passed... maby the engery is still strong.I've also had a few very good successes while doing workshops on developing the psychic side of my mind, on the lines of remote viewing..describing a person's house in details (i had never met him) another time describing a person's illness in detail and to me that can not happen if our "greater minds" ie souls whatever you like to call them , are not linked. Does that make any sense at all... i know what i believe in but am not very good at explaining it.
frith

Zillah

solas wrote:

thats not my interpretation. Some people have hopes and dreams, they are sensative and kind hearted, they have "faith" because of experiences, why share those hopes and dreams with people who are not so much interested in sharing them as they are in destroying them, for no other reason than they don't share the same perspective. It would be better for them to keep the things which are precious to them safe and out of harms way, than to share them with people who have little respect for them and who might cause harm unintentionally by not appreciating them.

Well then you missed a very important connotation included in the quote. The two animals mentioned are dogs and pigs, which are regarded as dishonourable and filthy respectively. Therefore, the quote implies that those who don't share your beliefs are unworthy. But I won't take offence, as it was not intended


But I digress;

I have a soft spot of spiritualism. I've never had a spiritualist tell me I'm a sinner or that I'm going to hell, or even insist I change my behaviour in any way. It's a very...inoffensive philosophy, so go be merry and believe whatever you like as long as your beliefs don't condemn my lifestyle.

solas

Well then you missed a very important connotation included in the quote. The two animals mentioned are dogs and pigs, which are regarded as dishonourable and filthy respectively. Therefore, the quote implies that those who don't share your beliefs are unworthy.

again thats not my interpretation, the analogy best describes how an animal (neither dishonourable or filthy is mentioned in it) has no regard for things of value.

I have a soft spot of spiritualism. I've never had a spiritualist tell me I'm a sinner or that I'm going to hell, or even insist I change my behaviour in any way. It's a very...inoffensive philosophy, so go be merry and believe whatever you like as long as your beliefs don't condemn my lifestyle.

a part of spiritual philosophy is to understand and appreciate that everyone walks their own path, and it's not ours to judge.
I could reccomend that philosophy be applied here, especially when others are describing their own personal experiences in order to appreciate them for their worth.

Nevyn

solas wrote:

It would be good to have a place where likeminded people could gather and discuss without fear of reprisal, (I would love to have a really deep discussion on the topic too) I think a spirituality forum had been suggested a few times but has been refused. For the most part mediumship and psychic abilities would probably better fall under the category of the metaphysical, in the broader terms of the spiritual.

Well to be honest I had tought that such disscussion would happen on the Paganism forum. We dont burn christians there honest.

And while you seem to want people to share phlematic, as soon as they do
you tear their experince apart and discredit it.

I do think that the topic on the forum seems to have two totally different meanings to two totally different groups of people.
Those that believe
and those that will only believe if it can be logically proven
under strict experimental conditions that are and can be repeatible 1000 times over.

As a Pagan I dont see any of the experices that have been mentioned as UNnatural in fact the oppsite.
Natural to the worlds we all live in.
Engery can neither crated nor destroyed but converted from one form to another.

GuanYin

phlematic wrote:

I had planned a more elaborate post but I decided it's not worth it. Don't be so snide is the short version.


And that quote specifically can be translated roughly as "I can't share it with you, you are not worthy/enlightened/deserving" etc etc.

It's the kind of sanctimonious self righteous lazy philosophically insecure pile of bullsh1t I hate about christianity the most.

Its almost as if they're warning them not to discuss their faith with sceptic lest the light of logic and reason burn away the flimsy thread of "faith."


Ps, KatieK, my hostile attitude is towards Christianity and its aggressive conservative views, not the spritually inclined, I'd be honoured if you'd continue our discussion.

I'm kinda inclined to agree with Thaed here.

This post in downright uncivil and has no place as a response to the members of this thread.

I've warned you about pushing the buttons here phlematic. I won't warn you again. If you have a genuine interest, thats great post away.

If I suspect you are posting questions merely to set people up for a fall. You'll be banned.

solas

Well to be honest I had tought that such disscussion would happen on the Paganism forum. We dont burn christians there honest.

thanks.
btw..I wasn't trying to promote Christianity, I was just using the analogy in a sort of comparitive way..

Nevyn

solas wrote:

thanks.
btw..I wasn't trying to promote Christianity, I was just using the analogy in a sort of comparitive way..

I know and honestly I am not promoting Paganism but that forum is one where
you will get your beliefs respected and is open minded.

Oryx

phlematic, you confuse me. You know I wont post details of any experience here, because it involves a death in all cases, and youre dealing with other peoples grief. I wont use it on a public forum to convince someone who wont believe what Im saying anyway. If I met you irl, and got the measure of you, then maybe yes, I could tell you. But here, no way.

I think you genuinely want to hear what others have to say, I dont think you are wanting to set us up for a fall, maybe you actually would like to be truly convinced, but your rational attitude makes you sound agressive! Please silence the skeptic in you for just one second, and accept that I am not here to hoax you or anyone, and I have not been tricked by anyone. I am not so foolish to simply accept the wanderings of my own mind as a fact, anything I refer to has been validated by other people whom I often dont know, and would involve information such as places, describing a person, illnesses, treasured possessions.

I want to talk to people who might understand and maybe have experience of what is happening, thats all, not subject me to an inquisition.

solas

I've opened a thread in paganism hoping others who would really like to talk about their knowledge and experience might share (openly).
I agree with Katiek, Phlematic, I think you do truly want to believe but maybe are afraid to do so, in any case I wish you well, I think it would just be nice to be able to have a relaxed discussion for a change.

GuanYin

solas wrote:

I've opened a thread in paganism hoping others who would really like to talk about their knowledge and experience might share (openly).
I agree with Katiek, Phlematic, I think you do truly want to believe but maybe are afraid to do so, in any case I wish you well, I think it would just be nice to be able to have a relaxed discussion for a change.

Thaed, solas. While I appreciate the benign nature of your posts, I really don't like what youre doing with them.

For the most part, Paranormal is open to anyone ideas and beliefs. If you have a problem with a post, the "report post" option is always there and available for you to use.

I always respond.

If you wish to move to another forum, its your right, but please don't leave a forwarding address here.

As such, I'd appreciate if you'd edit such posts accordingly, or ask me to do so if you are unable.

solas

apologies..
feel free to edit my post where appropriate. I just thought under the circumstances people were being invited to be in an open environment on the topic of conversation.
/confused

Zillah

Syke wrote:

If I suspect you are posting questions merely to set people up for a fall.

I'm really really really not. I just have a thing about the bible, which perhaps I shouldn't let spill out in my posts.

Thaed wrote:

And while you seem to want people to share phlematic, as soon as they do
you tear their experince apart and discredit it.

To my knowledge, I have never ever off-handedly dismissed what someone has posted as an experience. Is there something wrong with trying to logically break it down? How are we ever going to understand the paranormal if we dont question what we percieve? And if someone is afraid that I might shake their interpretation in an avent or their beliefs then no one is forcing them to post.

KatieK wrote:

You know I wont post details of any experience here, because it involves a death in all cases, and youre dealing with other peoples grief.

Of this I was not aware. This is the very reason I started this thread, so that we'd have an idea of where we each stood in our beliefs, don't take it for granted that I understand something like this about your beliefs. It may seem obvious to you, but it never occured to me.

KatieK wrote:

I think you genuinely want to hear what others have to say, I dont think you are wanting to set us up for a fall, maybe you actually would like to be truly convinced, but your rational attitude makes you sound agressive!

This is greatly appreciated.

KatieK wrote:

Please silence the skeptic in you for just one second

Never ever ever ever. The day that he shuts up I'll know I've found something very very interesting. Until then I feel I'd only be deluding myself.

KatieK wrote:

accept that I am not here to hoax you or anyone, and I have not been tricked by anyone. I am not so foolish to simply accept the wanderings of my own mind as a fact, anything I refer to has been validated by other people whom I often dont know, and would involve information such as places, describing a person, illnesses, treasured possessions.

I want to talk to people who might understand and maybe have experience of what is happening, thats all, not subject me to an inquisition.

Solas wrote:

Phlematic, I think you do truly want to believe but maybe are afraid to do so, in any case I wish you well, I think it would just be nice to be able to have a relaxed discussion for a change.

I shall be more considerate.

Solas, I am not afraid of change, it's just I need to see and feel these things for myself before I'll be able to really believe them(refer to my "Dublin" thread if you don't belive me ) , but perhaps I'll be a little less vocal about my doubts.

Oryx

phlematic, REALLY appreciate your comeback. Shows I was right about you I have thought about what I have posted, and I know to a dyed in the wool skeptic, it does sound like Im not backing myself up, because I cant. Thanks for accepting that this is not the case.

phlematic wrote:

Never ever ever ever. The day that he shuts up I'll know I've found something very very interesting. Until then I feel I'd only be deluding myself.

I too have a skeptic voice, and well, he did shut up and it was very interesting. I know youre interested but glad you accept this isnt the place for detail.

Zillah

KatieK wrote:

I too have a skeptic voice, and well, he did shut up

Talliesin

syke wrote:

If you wish to move to another forum, its your right, but please don't leave a forwarding address here.

Why not?

I post here as well as being a moderator of the Paganism board, and as moderator there were some treads there before this board was set up that I would now suggest would be more on-topic here. There's certainly no reason why someone shouldn't post on both boards. There is a (quite small) degree of overlap between the two boards, though one would reasonably expect a topic that fits into that overlap to be discussed slightly differently in each.

For example there was a post about a dream someone had on the Paganism board some time back. If that post happened now I would suggest that they should post their question here (unless they were specifically interested in a Pagan perspective on it). There was another post about prophetic dreams that I now would have just moved to this forum as being more suitable.

It certainly isn't a matter of "poaching" users. For that matter it seems to me that Solas is talking about the kind of "New Age" spirituality (I'm not sure, so please forgive me if I'm misrepresenting you Solas) that isn't completely on-topic here or there, but which touches on matters on-topic on both boards. As such Solas and anyone with a similar outlook should post on both boards as a particular topic seems to fit (and for that matter the other religious boards, and perhaps the philosophy board would all have points of overlap) as moderators we should work to be as accommodating as we can without detracting from our primary focii.

GuanYin

I never said it was poaching users.

However the post was preceeded by the implicaton that certain topics aren't welcome here.

This is not the case. IF there is a problem, I merely ask it be reported.

If you want to reference a thread in paganism, by all means go ahead.

If you want to preface it with an inaccuracy about the policies of this board. Then I have an issue.

Zillah

I would expect that with the both of you being moderators you'd realise that this discussion really shouldn't be taking place in the middle of a thread that has already been quite disrupted by this sort of off topic debating.

I'd really like if we could move along. So if anyone has anything to share please do.

solas

For that matter it seems to me that Solas is talking about the kind of "New Age" spirituality (I'm not sure, so please forgive me if I'm misrepresenting you Solas) that isn't completely on-topic here or there, but which touches on matters on-topic on both boards. As such Solas and anyone with a similar outlook should post on both boards as a particular topic seems to fit

Thats it in a nutshell.

This thread did bring up the fact that there are other people here who are interested in their own spiritual development and who's "paranormal" experiences stem from that area, I thought the suggestion that we could actually discuss those things here at boards in both forums, appropriate. (under the circumstances)

The thread is titled who's who and why why. Most people who have had experiences that might fall under the category of paranormal phenomena would be spiritually inclined, because they are open to (and interested in) experience, that would answer the why why question.
For example, many people having kundalini experiences (spiritual awakening) endure quite an amount of psychic or paranormal experiences, this can be a complete and profound time for people, which couldn't be safely discussed here. I have no doubt Thead and others at the paganism forum would have a better understanding of such things. (and there are people here who have undergone such experiences)

However the post was preceeded by the implicaton that certain topics aren't welcome here.

The post preceeding my one shows that, while we have the freedom to discuss particular topics by way of this forum, it seems the extent at which some things can be discussed is inhibited and dictated to go within a particular direction. (it seems even the moderator's views are being curtailed)

Zillah

Frith wrote:

phlematic.. ya i've had a few experience..would love to have more... i've had contact (briefly) from 2 friends who have passed over, and it was not just in my mind cos i've tried several times since , it happened just after they had passed... maby the engery is still strong.I've also had a few very good successes while doing workshops on developing the psychic side of my mind, on the lines of remote viewing..describing a person's house in details (i had never met him) another time describing a person's illness in detail and to me that can not happen if our "greater minds" ie souls whatever you like to call them , are not linked. Does that make any sense at all... i know what i believe in but am not very good at explaining it.
frith

My apoligies for not responding earlier, I was a little bit distracted, I managed to miss this post altogther.

I'm very curious about remote viewing, mostly because it seems like the kind of phenomena that could be proven to be real relatively easily. As for describing a person's illness, how does that work?