Pav

celingfan

Anybody see the pav i think its ironic that its is reopened for LGB week and the place looks like a gay bar. I now once a most valued patron now will no longer drink there. The bit that made the pav was that it was a hole but a good unique hole unlike any where in dublin now its like a crap hole like Reds or Q bar what a load of discharge!!!!!!!

Boston

The PAv is dead, long live the PAv.

DrIndy

the new pav is weird - same staff but a flashier inside.

You always got nobs at the pav, but all you need are a bunch of rowdy engineers to drown them out.

Although its fair to criticise the inside (and I am not a fan of modern flash pubs) - its the clientele that counts and I hope the old regulars will start returning again.

Evilution

Haven't seen this 'new look' pav yet. Must have a butchers this week. How bad is it?

DrIndy

its flash and modern, but only half finished with the side section for food closed off still, rendering it twice as crowded......

Agent Smith

i dont really like the pav, i'm more of a buttery person myself...

Time Magazine

Personally I tend to hang round the SU shop in House 6.....

Haha, it's mad knowing that the person who's standing in front of you is by no means aware of your knowledge of their internet persona.

celingfan

Buttery is GAY that place is worse than the pav the gingerman is the new watering hole!!!!

Kevin_rc_ie

If only the gingerman sold cans.

ApeXaviour

2.80 for red ale though.. Nice staff, interesting non-pretentious clientele. I like it..


EDIT: You'll oft see the pav staff in there, was talking to them last nite there

apeking

Gingerman=full of suits,Best pub is the one on the y of the road as ur looking out of the gingerman to the left, quality scumbags there

ApeXaviour

Ah but they're drunk suits..!

Evilution

Angry Banana wrote:

Haha, it's mad knowing that the person who's standing in front of you is by no means aware of your knowledge of their internet persona.

Aha, a cyber-voyeur, eh?

sleepingbeauty

havent investigated the new pav yet, but with all the bad things ive been hearing bout it im getting a little scared :eek: ugh how could they wreck the place??!!!! i mean its the pav ffs...

Crash

Everyone to the windjammer :P

apeking

crash_000 wrote:

Everyone to the windjammer :P

7.30 am, brilliant.............

Imposter

apeking wrote:

Gingerman=full of suits,Best pub is the one on the y of the road as ur looking out of the gingerman to the left, quality scumbags there

Ah Denzilles! It's not that bad (or at least it wasn't a few years ago). The Gingerman or Mahaffy's were always my favourites.

Kevin_rc_ie

Just had a sniff around the pav there. Did they actually spend 100,000 euro on that refurbishment? It seems to me that there was zero architural work done. So it's a lot of money to spend on cosmetics. The sofa is very, very, comfortable. They recovered the benchs and have cubic soft stools now. It's nice but jeez, for 100000 grand I'd expect to have a descent toilet fitted in. I heard some work was done on the ladies, this true?

If you gave someone a plot of land and 100,000 they'd be able to rebuild the pav for ya, how come this yoke is so expensive. I'd love to see the pav extended, go up another story and proper ramp accesss etc etc etc.

Nietzschean

Kevin_rc_ie wrote:

I'd love to see the pav extended, go up another story and proper ramp accesss etc etc etc.

it has any ramp access now? i'd luv a ramp, those damn step's r deadly when yer ****ed...

John

Kevin_rc_ie wrote:

I heard some work was done on the ladies, this true?

Yes, they were delighted at my performance. Oh wait, you mean the toilets.

ApeXaviour

lmao! classic

Kevin_rc_ie

No ramp access and well said John2.Well said.

Agent Smith

is the paper today ( i cant remember which one record or UT),
there's a article about the lack of access for people with special needs for the pavillion, intresting stuff.

uven the Centre for deaf studies has installed a ramp into 40 lwr drumcondra road, in lieu of the recent goverment bill,
for internal access, a lift has been installed,( great for the morning after the night you cant remember).

Of course buildings have to be assessed one by one around campus, i cant see where a lift would fit in house 6, for example, but in any new building on campus MUSThas access for people with special Needs,

Kevin_rc_ie

Teleporters?

Agent Smith

someone was watching the nbc nightly news...

Kevin_rc_ie

?

I'm watching Will and Grace.

Boston

Kevin_rc_ie wrote:

If you gave someone a plot of land and 100,000 they'd be able to rebuild the pav for ya, how come this yoke is so expensive. I'd love to see the pav extended, go up another story and proper ramp accesss etc etc etc.

The Pav is a listed building they can't do that, any wheelchair access wouldn't provide access to the balcony, and a life would take up half the room. Also the Pav is a hole and I would object to college funds being wasted on 40 people to make it accessible, while cuts back are affecting every student.

Kevin_rc_ie

Ok, Thanks Boston for pointing out why they can't do proper restoration on the pav. But where did the 100,000 go? A I am right, DUCAC gave the Pav 100,000 over 4 years to improve the Pav. Unless a lot of work has been carried out on the places you can't see I'm still baffled.

Boston

100,000 is feic all considering what the Pav has made ducac. In building terms it wouldn't go very far. I would well believe what they did cost that. For the simple fact that it's a listed building adds so much cost the minute you try to do anything with it. Also 100,00 wouldn't rebuild the Pav, not in todays buildign market, maybe a million might do it.

Kevin_rc_ie

boston just ur an engineering student doesn't mean you have a rashers about anything.

ApeXaviour

Boston wrote:

100,000 is feic all considering what the Pav has made ducac.

I dunno about the rest but what I've quoted there makes a lot of sense.. Since the pav gives all its profits to ducac, it's about time some of that money was recycled back into the pav. Doesn't mean I like what the did with it though, considerably the opposite infact.

Boston

Kevin_rc_ie wrote:

boston just ur an engineering student doesn't mean you have a rashers about anything.

How about an engineering student whos worked in the building game since he was 14? I know what I'm talking about, you don't. It's easy to sit on the side lines with crap like, "If I had a 100,000 euro I'd build it out of gold". Truth is in the highly regulated world of construction these days, 100,000 on something like that could easily be spent before a single brick is put down.

Kevin_rc_ie

how about:

No.

ApeXaviour

lol.. kev you'd want to put up a better fight than that. I'm gonna start scoring these.

Boston 1
Kev 0

Though at the beginning it seemed pretty even, the massachusetts capital countered with a killing blow, to which kev could be nothing but stubbornly defiant.

Nietzschean

Kevin_rc_ie wrote:

how about:

No.

hate to break it to ye kev but he's right...u lose...whats new?

Kevin_rc_ie

gosh you guys are really sad.

I stand by what I said, 100,000 could build you a one story pub that's less than 100 square metres.

Agent Smith

acording to my dad. (who's a bricklayer)

you wont.

Kevin_rc_ie

bricklayers are generally a bunch of greedy bast*rds so i wouldnt use brick.

ask him if i made it out of wood, or concrete caste things.

Kevin_rc_ie

Well the evidence appears to be mounting up against me,

a 1st year eng. with 6 years working experience in the building industry, a 3rd physisit who's currently brewing his own alcohol, a 3rd Maths student, a 1st year deaf studies student, who, most importantly, is son of a brickie.

So what would I get for 100,000? Some architects plans and an informal contract with a builder he may bother his ass todo it between now and christmas?

Agent Smith

apart from the cost of land, which we shall disregard,

building materials, builders wages, carperters wages, electricains wages, plumbers wages, labours wages, machine hire, PLI, waste charges, fridges, bar fittings, furnature, electriciy bill for during construction.


aroind 300000/500000 eurom roughly

ApeXaviour

Joe's a 2nd yr eng isn't he? I hate to be "apparently" switching sides but if it costs 300000-500000 then how in the name of god would it be profitable to build a one story building anywhere but dublin city centre!??

Agent Smith

theres a big diffrence in wages price in dublin compared to the rest of the country

ApeXaviour

Fair enough but I find it hard to believe it would be to such a degree..

Agent Smith

remember the cost of livving is a lot higher in Dublin then the rest of the country, my dad says it would be closer to the 300000 mark, but the PLI is Ver exspensive in Dublin....

Boston

ApeXaviour wrote:

Joe's a 2nd yr eng isn't he? I hate to be "apparently" switching sides but if it costs 300000-500000 then how in the name of god would it be profitable to build a one story building anywhere but dublin city centre!??

i'm second year engineering. But More importantly I've worked in the game for years. Kev said rebuild the Pav for 100,000. You won't rebuild the Pav for that much, because.

It's not a standard building design, so you need specific plans drawn up and you need to buy specific materials. The more you buy the less these things cost.

It's not one floor its two floors. The locker rooms and tilots down stairs are pretty big.

The fact thats theres less of an area is not a plus. It cost more per square meter for a smaller area then a larger area.

New Pav would have to meet all the new building standards. Talking 30 grand plus just for that. This includes fire exits, wheelchair accesss, ect.

Surveys on the land would have to take palce, and a load of other admin type things that a normal extension or house wouldn't require.

Now this is just saying, what if the Pav was knocked down. Since the Pav is listed it means everything you do to it, from replacing a pain of glass has to have planning permission. Trust me, your costs increase dramatically

Kevin_rc_ie

ah, so i was right, in a way.

if you don't take me too literally, just building in the middle of no where, with non crooked builders, a 50m, 1 story, pub. like a cottage but with kegs. 150000 max surely.... remember i didn't mean an exact replica of the whole buidling, just the pub part.

Agent Smith

if it was in the middle nowhere, you'd have to purchase the land, remember that,

Boston

No you where completely wrong. You'r not building a cottage pub in the middle of no where. You building a two story(reguardless of what the other story is used for) Pub in the middle of dublin, at the height of the building bume, in a highly regulated field. Also the materials you use for domestic use, will not pass the materials you have to you for a public house, especially one that serves food.

Agent Smith

there ya go....

Nietzschean

kev i don't appriecate the poor insults in pm's just cause u were wrong, get over it.


And you won't buy the land in the middle of no where anymore for 100k never mind build a pub, even in the arse hole of nowhere its going to cost ye 250/300k to build it n stuff, and min another 100k prolly fer the land........ And wages arn't that much lower outside dublin, heck i've yet to get paid as much working in dublin as i made down home.

xeduCat

Jaysus...

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