Is boards.ie to strict?

The General

I've noticed over the past while a lot of people getting banned for ****ty little things and in my opinion its just stupid banning people for minor offneces, anyone agree thats its too strict around here

Capt'n Midnight

Use of "to" in the subject.

2 week ban

[/grammer nazi]

Ciaran500

Ban him!!!!

dregin

I think it's too varied. Some places people get banned for very little and yet in politics the personal attacking is rife, but mostly goes without even a slap on the wrist.

lomb

the mobile forum is crazy! lemming will ban everyone except himself.

billy the squid

well if you feel a ban is unfair then go here not many of the people who have been banned have gone to feedback to protest their ban so it would seem they accept what they have been banned for.

After hours is the wrong place for this thread. btw

muffler

Can someone tell me how exactly the whole thing works. How manys mods are there, do they read all posts, are they consistent.

I'm fairly new to this. I have posted a few queries in the past and followed up with thank you posts etc. but I think we are all adults and should be allowed freedom of speech.

Jesus isn't that what Bush advocates in Iraq, a nation where the citizens can express themselves without fear of censorship or repression.

I posted a query recently regarding how to know if a PS2 was chipped or not. I didn;t encourage any one to do go out and chip their consoles but I had bought one and I was seeking opinions/comments to tell me how to check if I was getting what I paid for.

I got off with a warning and the one person who responded got banned for a week. F**cking crazy........ I will probably get banned now for stating an opinion

lomb

muffler wrote:

Can someone tell me how exactly the whole thing works. How manys mods are there, do they read all posts, are they consistent.

I'm fairly new to this. I have posted a few queries in the past and followed up with thank you posts etc. but I think we are all adults and should be allowed freedom of speech.

Jesus isn't that what Bush advocates in Iraq, a nation where the citizens can express themselves without fear of censorship or repression.

I posted a query recently regarding how to know if a PS2 was chipped or not. I didn;t encourage any one to do go out and chip their consoles but I had bought one and I was seeking opinions/comments to tell me how to check if I was getting what I paid for.

I got off with a warning and the one person who responded got banned for a week. F**cking crazy........ I will probably get banned now for stating an opinion

dont worry about it just register another name and post awayy

Ciaran500

muffler wrote:

I posted a query recently regarding how to know if a PS2 was chipped or not. I didn;t encourage any one to do go out and chip their consoles but I had bought one and I was seeking opinions/comments to tell me how to check if I was getting what I paid for.

Link?

Discussion of "backups" and modding is a very sensitive area as boards could be sued by SCEE if these topics are discussed in detail.

billy the squid

I'm fairly new to this. I have posted a few queries in the past and followed up with thank you posts etc. but I think we are all adults and should be allowed freedom of speech.

Jesus isn't that what Bush advocates in Iraq, a nation where the citizens can express themselves without fear of censorship or repression.

George Dubya isng going to pay legal fees for boards.ie every time some tosser does something illegal.

seeking free speach on a private website is like walking into someones house and pissing on the couch and thinking nothing of it.

Jim

Follow the charters and you wont get banned.
If you feel you have been banned for something not in the forum charter complain.

mad m

Ciaran500 wrote:

Link?

Discussion of "backups" and modding is a very sensitive area as boards could be sued by SCEE if these topics are discussed in detail.

here you go Ciaran http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=222218

Karl Hungus

muffler wrote:

I think we are all adults

That was your first mistake.

Rozabeez

True True, many "children" on here.

Ciaran500

mad m wrote:

here you go Ciaran http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=222218

Thanks.

Its pretty obvious why the thread was locked. You were asking how to play copied games on your PS2 and bugs was banned for telling you.


I'm not saying whether I agree or disagree with the lock but it is clearly stated in the charter that discussion of warez is strictly not allowed.

seamus

muffler wrote:

Can someone tell me how exactly the whole thing works. How manys mods are there, do they read all posts, are they consistent.

There are somewhere in the region of 250 moderators. Many moderators keep any eye on more than one forum. Moderators are essentially just normal posters with extra duties. We have no special tools to help us read all of the posts or anything like that. I browse this forum just like you do, but I have the handicap of having to read (or trying my best to make sure I read) all the posts. But often I don't. I have a job and a life, and a multitude of better things to do then to read a few hundred uninsteresting posts a day. This where the report feature comes in. Most bannings and posts deletions come on the back of a post report. Someone reports the post, I get an email with a link to the post, and the poster's grievance, so I can then look at it and make my own call.

You'd be surprised how often spammy, abusive or legally dodgy messages get left in place because no-one's reported them. I may see them, but if no-one has reported them (meaning no-one is offended by them), and I'm not really bothered by their existence, then I won't remove them, even though they may bend the rules a little.

I'm fairly new to this. I have posted a few queries in the past and followed up with thank you posts etc. but I think we are all adults and should be allowed freedom of speech.

As said, that was your first mistake. We're not all adults. Even the ones who should be adults can act like children. Freedom of speech doesn't apply in private places. If you went into someone's home and started preaching about the greatness of Allah, they have every right to remove you from their home and tell you to shut up. The same deal applies here.
That's not to say that everything the mods don't like hearing will be removed. This site runs on people expressing their opinion. So long as it's done in a reasonable manner, your expressed opinion won't be removed or earn you a banning. If you beleive that homosexuality is wrong, that's fine, you'll be allowed say it. On the other hand, if you say "All these ****ing homos should be lined up against a wall, have their filthy ****ing testicles removed and be shot in the head", then you're going to be banned.
Many people get confused and see this as oppression, when it's in fact noise reduction. If the moderators did actively supress people's opinions, then you'd have trouble qualifying the massive growth and popularity the site experiences.

TacT

exercising of grey matter = no ban
no exercising of grey matter = ban

simple no?

nlgbbbblth

Capt'n Midnight wrote:

Use of "to" in the subject.

2 week ban

[/grammer nazi]

It's spelled grammar not grammer :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Capt'n Midnight

Simple question - are you a subscriber ?
If not then you are entitled to your money back !*
The chineese have a saying "the people in the free seats hiss loudest"

If you are subscribed then you probably figured out how the thing works before you parted with your cash, no one forced you to join.

If you know of a more generally tolerant board then let us know
( lots of other sites are very tolerant of minority views cf. neo-nazi sites. )

*Limited offer, apply in writing

Giblet

Capt'n Midnight wrote:

Simple question - are you a subscriber ?
If not then you are leaching.
The chineese have a saying "the people in the free seats hiss loudest"

If you are subscribed then you probably figured out how the thing works before you parted with your cash, no one forced you to join.

If you know of a more generally tolerant board then let us know
( lots of other sites are very tolerant of minority views cf. neo-nazi sites. )

That's BS. I have no way to pay 50, but I contribute in other ways.

The General

billy the squid wrote:

well if you feel a ban is unfair then go here not many of the people who have been banned have gone to feedback to protest their ban so it would seem they accept what they have been banned for.

After hours is the wrong place for this thread. btw

No one goes to feedback because a lot of people register a knew username of just view boards without posting

billy the squid

whats the saying "better to light a candle than to curse the darkness."

that is what the feedback forum is for, you you jusr register a new nickname without pointing out the error of some moderators ways then whats the point in complaining in a part of the website where nothing will get done.

Hobbes

1. Read the charter.
2. Moderators ban based on forum and generally what they say goes in their forum.
3. Admins ban based on site rules and can overrule a moderator if justified.
4. Subscribing doesn't give you the right to supercede these rules.
5. If you feel you have been wronged you take it up with the moderator in question. You don't go crying to other forums, except the feedback forum.

Thats it.

The General

Ciaran500 wrote:

Link?

Discussion of "backups" and modding is a very sensitive area as boards could be sued by SCEE if these topics are discussed in detail.

Fair enought if you dont want people talking about modding ps2's etc but dont give a ****ty excuse like that , sure nearly all forums these have something illegal on them

bounty

haha... the wantabe "moderater" is whining about being moderated :rolleyes:

ixoy

Moderater wrote:

Fair enought if you dont want people talking about modding ps2's etc but dont give a ****ty excuse like that , sure nearly all forums these have something illegal on them

How it's a bad excuse? Do you want to run the risk of Boards being sued due to illegal content? I presume, if that happened over your PS2 post, you'd be prepared to take full responsibility and cough up any necessary cash, yeah?

Any dodgy/potentially illegal content is removed from all boards, so that includes war3z or, in the case one of the forums I mod, postings about downloading illegal copies of TV shows. It's not restricted to PS2 modding and I think, in general, the charters are quite clear about what is, or isn't allowed.

StupidLikeAFox

Moderater wrote:

Fair enought if you dont want people talking about modding ps2's etc but dont give a ****ty excuse like that , sure nearly all forums these have something illegal on them

Look mate, somedays your the pidgeon, somedays your the statue, your not gonna change anything with this thread as its been tried before and its more or less the same. Your just gonna have to live with it

Rabies

Just read the charter :rolleyes:

The General

How it's a bad excuse? Do you want to run the risk of Boards being sued due to illegal content? I presume, if that happened over your PS2 post, you'd be prepared to take full responsibility and cough up any necessary cash, yeah?

Any dodgy/potentially illegal content is removed from all boards, so that includes war3z or, in the case one of the forums I mod, postings about downloading illegal copies of TV shows. It's not restricted to PS2 modding and I think, in general, the charters are quite clear about what is, or isn't allowed.

I know your not allowed but what i am sayin bout the PS2 thing is that its very very very unlikely that boards will get in trouble if a few people talk about how they got their PS2 chipped last week and so on..
anyways rules are rules

Look mate, somedays your the pidgeon, somedays your the statue, your not gonna change anything with this thread as its been tried before and its more or less the same. Your just gonna have to live with it

Did i say i wanted it to change im just pointing out how back its got around here, im a mod at a few other foums and im a member of **** loads of forums and this is the strictest one ive ever seen.

The General

Just read the charter

Just to clear things up i know what the rules are and im not here trying to change them!

seamus

Moved to feedback.

Crucifix

Meh, I've never seen the mods being too strict.

The General

Moved to feedback.

end of disscussion because no one will see it in feedback, the reason i posted in after hours is so more people would see. Anyways ive my point 'boards.ie is too strict'

ecksor

muffler wrote:

but I think we are all adults and should be allowed freedom of speech.

Incorrect on both counts.

Jesus isn't that what Bush advocates in Iraq, a nation where the citizens can express themselves without fear of censorship or repression.

Jesus isn't an admin here and boards.ie isn't a nation.

Capt'n Midnight

nlgbbbblth wrote:

It's spelled grammar not grammer :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Giblet wrote:

That's BS. I have no way to pay 50, but I contribute in other ways.

Sorry /my bad
maybe I should have phrased that differently, people who don't contribute. etc.

But we're still stuck with the rules ..

Hobbes wrote:

4. Subscribing doesn't give you the right to supercede these rules.

The Greeks were probably right about a benovelant dictatorship being the best form of government, at least on the intarweb you get to choose your dictators.

Rabies

Moderater wrote:

Just to clear things up i know what the rules are and im not here trying to change them!

Then what is the problem? If you know the rules of a forum then you know how a mod will react to certain topics and its content. Bans happen because people don't read the charter. Mods enforce it.

Lump

As has been said before, boards.ie is not a democracy. It is a dictatorship, read the charters, know the rules and don't piss of the mods. I'm not saying that everyone is equally fair, but you wshould know how far you can push certain mods

John

The General

the point im trying to make is its too strict here. Ill challenge anyone to name a differnent forum that is stricter than boards.ie

nosmo

Moderater wrote:

the point im trying to make is its too strict here. Ill challenge anyone to name a differnent forum that is stricter than boards.ie

somethingawful.com tbh tbh

seamus

Moderater wrote:

end of disscussion because no one will see it in feedback, the reason i posted in after hours is so more people would see. Anyways ive my point 'boards.ie is too strict'

I moved it for two reasons: Feedback gets a lot more views than you think. What you're trying to do is pick your target audience. You know that it's mostly mods and regulars who look at feedback. Newer members wouldn't come on here as often. Are not mods and regular members more qualified than newer members to discuss your grievance?

Secondly, the only real people with authority on what is and isn't policy and what is and isn't too strict are the admins, who coincidentally are the only "mods" on feedback. By posting in After Hours, you're leaving your thread open to the control of the mods there (i.e. Me, Trojan and Monty), and I like to see discussion take place somewhere where no-one can be accused of biase or undue control.

seamus

Moderater wrote:

the point im trying to make is its too strict here. Ill challenge anyone to name a differnent forum that is stricter than boards.ie

stormfront.org

Imposter

Methinks this would be at home in The Thunderdome!

ecksor

Moderater wrote:

the point im trying to make is its too strict here.

And your evidence is the locking of a thread that wasn't on sound ground legally?

Ill challenge anyone to name a differnent forum that is stricter than boards.ie

I challenge you to answer the question "So what?"

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

Moderater wrote:

the point im trying to make is its too strict here. Ill challenge anyone to name a differnent forum that is stricter than boards.ie

www.boards.jp

Ciaran500

Moderater wrote:

its very very very unlikely that boards will get in trouble if a few people talk about how they got their PS2 chipped last week

If one or two people are allowed talk about it, everyone can. If people were allowed to post about warez the amount of warez posts would sky rocket.

secret_squirrel

Moderater wrote:

Just to clear things up i know what the rules are and im not here trying to change them!

Moderater wrote:

the point im trying to make is its too strict here.

:rolleyes:

ecksor wrote:

muffler wrote:

but I think we are all adults and should be allowed freedom of speech.

Incorrect on both counts.

Jesus isn't that what Bush advocates in Iraq, a nation where the citizens can express themselves without fear of censorship or repression.

Jesus isn't an admin here and boards.ie isn't a nation.

Does that make Ecksor = G Dubya :eek:

Ciaran500

Ecksor is far, far more benovelent and evil compared to Dubya.

muffler

.Sorry to disagree ciaran 500 but I didn't ask how to play games I asked if anyone knew how to tell if a PS2 was chipped or not which is something completely different.
The point I was making was that I was asking for a bit of advice and all Bugs done was to tell me how to examine the console--noi more and no less than that.
I certainly dont see the harm in that.

You know I could have said I was locked out of my car or house and asked for help on how to get in. Would that be allowed?

Ivan

Moderater wrote:

Did i say i wanted it to change im just pointing out how back its got around here, im a mod at a few other foums and im a member of **** loads of forums and this is the strictest one ive ever seen.

I presume its also the biggest Irish one you've ever seen and the one with the most visibility.

Boston

Ecksor puts the E in Evil-dictactor from hell!!!!

oscarBravo

Moderater wrote:

the point im trying to make is its too strict here.

Your point is predicated on the assumption that there is a quantifiable definition of "optimally strict" for this site, and that the site currently has a quantifiable strictness value that exceeds this optimal value.

So, I'd like to know how you arrived at both those values. When you've posted your calculations and had them peer-reviewed, and when you've explained the detailed steps that need to be taken to adjust the current strictness value to its optimal level, I'm sure something will be done.

Or, more likely, not.