WrestleMania 21 thread

gimmick

Now that the Rumble is over, and we know the winner, what do you expect the card to be come April 1st (note, its not what you want it to be, but what you expect).

Heres my 2 cents worth anyways

World Heavyweight Title
HHH Vs Batista (special ref - Orton)

Y2J Vs Benoit

Shelton Vs Simon Dean

La Resistance Vs Christian & Tomko Vs Some Other Tag Team

WWE Title
Cena Vs JBL

Eddie Vs Rey Mysterio vs Booker

Cruiserweight open
Chava/Kidman/London/Spike/Funaki/Shannon Moore

Big Show Vs The Cabinet

Interpromotional
HBK Vs Angle (this will be the show stealer)

Undertaker & Kane Vs Heidenreich & Snitsky

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If the real card is as poor as that, WM21 will be a pity. Batista Vs HHH main event, what a yawn. HBK Vs Angle will be amazing, and y2j and Benoit dont know how to put on a bad match.

Stalfos

HHH vs Batista has to happen at wrestle althought i think it probably originally would have been randy orton except for the fact that the story got old and boring so they had to finish that up. those other matches will probably happen as well between now and wrestle mania which is kinda annoying that anyone could predict it so well.

karlh

The Cabinet?

Zombienosh

im guessing the cabinet is angle and his friends.......

Cactus Col

I would have said JBL's stable (chief of staff Orlando Jordan, Secretaries of Defence Bashams)

A good match might be Angle's stable v The Cabinet v Big Show

savemejebus

Angle vs HBK could be a show stealer but i'd be seriously concerned about the state of angles neck, he hasn't looked the best lately and i've read rumours that he is losing the feeling in his hands so he may need that surgery sooner rather than later

gimmick

IMO Angle cant have too much left in his career. He is constantly injured. Maybe a win at The Grandaddy Of The All, and he will retire?

He will be a huge loss, but if he is inhured, what can he do?

Stalfos

No chance, no will win the big one then retire. infact i wonder if anyone has won their last match for WWE before leaving. I remember jeff hardy lost his last match before going to TNA then matt gave him a twist of faith and we all remember Bret Hart's last WWE match. Is Angle really retiring after wrestlemania or is he just cutting it back to once every few weeks like austin did.

D-FENS

Don't know about Orton as the ref for HHH/Batista, i'd say they wnat Big Dave to get a clean win with no help or interference, plus i doubt Orton would want to be just a ref at Mania.
The Legend vs. Legendkiller idea of him and 'Taker is interesting, as long as Orton was the heel, although they could both go in as faces.
I'd say Kane and possibly Snitsky will be involved in a matc with Matt Hardy, so the tag with Heidenrich is doubtful i'd say.

Brow

If they do that Heidenrecih/Snitsky V Taker and Kane ill be be less than happy to say the least. WWE really need to pull a quality Wrestlemania card out at this point.

gimmick

They say the road to wrestlemania starts at the Rumble, but lets see for a sec. This year, there seems to be very few fueds building.

We have the tease of Batista and HHH. We know eventually Batista will face turn.

We have HBK - Angle. This will accelerate in the next few weeks.

Other than that, we will more than likely see Cena beat Angle in the final of the No1 contender tourney, probably with interference by HBK.

Edge, Jericho, Orton, Y2J, Shelton, Benoit, Flair - none have a storyline at the moment.

Undertaker, Big Show (after he loses the cage match at NWO), Dupree on SD! ditto.

The only way i see Kane having a somewhat fresh storyline is if Matt Hardy comes back as the guy who 'hired' Snitsky to injure him, otherwise the Kane/Snitsky storyline is over.

I am assuming they are teasing out a triple threat between Booker, Eddie and Mysterio, but without a heel, that match lacks lustre.

I dunno.

D-FENS

Mania is still about six weeks away so there's time to mould a few more fueds, they'd want to be quick though.

Mind you, the writing is so inconsistant these days , combined with the amount of guys contneding for places on the final card, that a few last minute matchs only announced a week or so before hand.I expect this for the likes of Jericho and Benoit, it just is'nt happening for them anymore.

The only person that his place booked at WM for certain is HHH. Has his place booked in the next 20 in fact.

jesusjones

Angle and Micheals I am looking foward to it things will be a lot clearer after No Way Out as to most of the matches that will be on the card

The Bull

World Heavyweight Title
HHH Vs Batista (Maybe with Ric flair involved then srewing HHH by accident)

Y2J Vs Edge

Christian & Tomko Vrs Orton & Benoit

Stone Cold photo is back up on the raw superstars list at http://www.wwe.com/superstars/raw/
So I perdict (The old you bet up my mate JR angle)
Stone Cold Vrs Muhammad Hussan with Khosrow Daivari

Shelton Vs Matt Hardy

La Resistance Vs Regal & Tajiri Vs Rosey & Hurracane

WWE Title
Cena Vs JBL

Eddie vs Booker T

Rey Vrs Rene Dupree

Cruiserweight open
Chava/Kidman/London/Spike/Funaki/Shannon Moore

Big Show Vs The Bashims

Carlito Vrs Teddy Long ( In some sort of non wrestling match)

Interpromotional
HBK Vs Angle

Undertaker/Kane Vs Heidenreich/Snitsky

Stalfos

The Bull wrote:

Y2J Vs Edge

Christian & Tomko Vrs Orton & Benoit

Stone Cold photo is back up on the raw superstars list at http://www.wwe.com/superstars/raw/
So I perdict (The old you bet up my mate JR angle)
Stone Cold Vrs Muhammad Hussan with Khosrow Daivari

Shelton Vs Matt Hardy

Eddie vs Booker T

Rey Vrs Rene Dupree

Carlito Vrs Teddy Long ( In some sort of non wrestling match)

These matches above dont make much sense so i was wondering if there just thoughts in your head or their is some reason i not seeing for your choices

The Bull

Some are just thoughts but i can see stone cold been involved and the hussan angle makes the most sence, and christian and tomko did do a number on orton the last night. Maybe it will be just Christian v Orton,
Y2J and benoit are not in any major fued so Edge been a heel is sure to be against one of them. Like who else is there on Raw (big name) for him to face ?
Maybe rey will be involved in a triple match with eddie and booker but booker is sure to turn heel in the weeks up to WM21 leading to his match with eddie.
The last one is matt hardy(if he returns) and if the Undertaker/Kane Vs Heidenreich/Snitsky match is to go ahead then hardy/kane could be kept for later in the year. Cant see benoit y2j or edge in for the intercontential title so who else is there on raw to step up. Hardy/Shelton wouldnt be a bad match.
Finally this Carlito / Teddy Long thing has been going on for a number of months now and there just not doing it all for nothing. WM21 is probally where it going to come to a head in some sort of novility match?
We will just have to wait and see?
Cant wait till I am in the staple centre on that sunday.
Ps that 22 euro that $*y wont be getting of me. He He.

Mr.Nice Guy

Apparently Big Show is set to face Akebono,that big guy that he was in the ring with Show in Japan.

Seed

stalfos wrote:

No chance, no will win the big one then retire. infact i wonder if anyone has won their last match for WWE before leaving. I remember jeff hardy lost his last match before going to TNA then matt gave him a twist of faith and we all remember Bret Hart's last WWE match. Is Angle really retiring after wrestlemania or is he just cutting it back to once every few weeks like austin did.

Angle has to retire. He could end up a cripple. It's not like the Hardy one where he was just leaving. Leaving and retiring from the business due to health are two different things.
Besides, Angle has hinted that he'll be retiring next year at the very latest.

Brow

What a loss that'll be.

gimmick

Wrestlemania always has a big face/heel turn. No doubt this year will be no different.

Who do people think will turn, and more importantly - how?

My 2 cents are that Orton will interfere in the main event, thus re-joining Evolotion and costing Batista the title, leading to an Orton/Batista feud.

Failing that, it will be Flair somehow screwing Trips, thus turning face, and setting up a feud to be played out until BackLash.

Thoughts???

Mr.Nice Guy

gimmick wrote:

Wrestlemania always has a big face/heel turn. No doubt this year will be no different.

Who do people think will turn, and more importantly - how?

My 2 cents are that Orton will interfere in the main event, thus re-joining Evolotion and costing Batista the title, leading to an Orton/Batista feud.

Failing that, it will be Flair somehow screwing Trips, thus turning face, and setting up a feud to be played out until BackLash.

Thoughts???

I thought it was interesting that on Raw,Batista gave the Batista Bomb to HHH yet all he did to Flair was throw him out of the ring.Could we see Flair turn on Triple H and help Batista win the title?
If Benoit and Jericho fight at WM,I expect we could see a heel turn from Benoit although we could see Benoit face Hassan at WM instead...

oneofakind32

I just hope we get to see Chavo Guerraro Vs. (the increasingly impresive) Paul London. A good 20 minute match at WM21 would realy put cruisers back on the map.

Kio

Main Event: world title
HHH vs Batsita(flair face turn and orton heel turn all in the same match and i would like )

wwe title
JBL vs cena

i.c title
Shelton vs Benoit vs Jericho

cruiserweight title
Chavo vs london vs funaki vs Shannon vs akio

world tag titles:
La Resistance vs regal+tajiri vs Edge+Christianw/tomko

wwe tag titles:
eddie+rey vs bashams

womans title:
trish vs christy hemming

luther vs jindrack

Heidenreich vs puder

Kane vs snisky vs matt hardy

inter promotional:
HBK vs Angle

inter promotional:
undertaker vs orton

Zombienosh

Kio wrote:

inter promotional:
undertaker vs orton

why?!
they've no involvment with each other, hows this match gonna happen? it makes no sense.

Stalfos

Kio wrote:

Main Event: world title
HHH vs Batsita(flair face turn and orton heel turn all in the same match and i would like )

wwe title
JBL vs cena

womans title:
trish vs christy hemming

luther vs jindrack

inter promotional:
HBK vs Angle

These are the only matchs i see happening

Kio wrote:

i.c title
Shelton vs Benoit vs Jericho

cruiserweight title
Chavo vs london vs funaki vs Shannon vs akio

world tag titles:
La Resistance vs regal+tajiri vs Edge+Christianw/tomko

wwe tag titles:
eddie+rey vs bashams

Heidenreich vs puder

Kane vs snisky vs matt hardy

These matchs i dont see happening,
I think it will be shelton Vs snitsky for the ic championship (probably in some sort of hardcore match)
Just Chavo vs london.
dont know about the rest

Kio wrote:

inter promotional:
undertaker vs orton

that could happen, i've heard alot of rumours and they were right about the bare wire steel cage match

Mr.Nice Guy

AlcoholicA wrote:

why?!
they've no involvment with each other, hows this match gonna happen? it makes no sense.

Undertaker vs Orton will happen as it is being advertised in promos in America.Apparently the plan is for Orton to go into the match as a face but to leave WM as a heel.Orton is expected to win as Taker will do for Orton what Hart did for Austin at WM13.
For more information on this match,check this out:

http://nodq.com/news/111579562.shtml

Stalfos

They wouldnt have the Undertaker lose at Wrestlemania would they and it's ment to be his last one as well,
Orton doesnt need to beat taker to become a heel, people are already bored of him and just looking for any excuse to boo him.
He could beat on stacy keiber or tell everyone how great he is again

D-FENS

stalfos wrote:

They wouldnt have the Undertaker lose at Wrestlemania would they and it's ment to be his last one as well,
Orton doesnt need to beat taker to become a heel, people are already bored of him and just looking for any excuse to boo him.
He could beat on stacy keiber or tell everyone how great he is again

If WWE are still hell bent on Orton making it, and i think they are, they will have him beat 'taker.The whole reason unbeaten streaks are created are so they can be broken. Orton's failure to get over as the top face on Raw ( Really, he was down as the new franchise ala Rock/Austin), would'nt have sat well, so having him end 'taker's record and go back to what he does best, being a heel, will get him talked about again.
I like the fact that the Undertaker is undefeated at mania, but really and truly he does'nt need that record now to be remembered as one of the best ever.

Stalfos

D-FENS wrote:

If WWE are still hell bent on Orton making it, and i think they are, they will have him beat 'taker.The whole reason unbeaten streaks are created are so they can be broken. Orton's failure to get over as the top face on Raw ( Really, he was down as the new franchise ala Rock/Austin), would'nt have sat well, so having him end 'taker's record and go back to what he does best, being a heel, will get him talked about again.
I like the fact that the Undertaker is undefeated at mania, but really and truly he does'nt need that record now to be remembered as one of the best ever.

Still would be great if he did keep his record, but he probably won't and then Orton would go to smackdown and start a rivalry.
Also Orton doesnt need to beat the undertaker to become great, everyone already knows he will be big someone day so why just sit back and let it happen instead of pushing it like before.

D-FENS

stalfos wrote:

Still would be great if he did keep his record, but he probably won't and then Orton would go to smackdown and start a rivalry.
Also Orton doesnt need to beat the undertaker to become great, everyone already knows he will be big someone day so why just sit back and let it happen instead of pushing it like before.

People have been sitting back waiting for Orton to get over for a year now.
He beat Foley, Micheals and Benoit for the belt and it still never happened.

The guy needs somethign big to happen, and i think Undertaker at WM could be it.
As well as a heel turn and possibly a roster switch.

Kio

all Orton needs is to work hard and stay heel and he'll<he he he he he he he>
make it and someday the fans will let it happen so wwe has to make big matchs for him so the fans exept him

Stalfos

D-FENS wrote:

People have been sitting back waiting for Orton to get over for a year now.
He beat Foley, Micheals and Benoit for the belt and it still never happened.

The guy needs somethign big to happen, and i think Undertaker at WM could be it.
As well as a heel turn and possibly a roster switch.

It can't happen in just one year unless your comparing him to The Rock but he's not that good yet. And beating Foley, Micheals and Benoit is hardly sitting back.
Plus if he beat all those guys and it didnt work, what good is beating the undertaker going to do?

oneofakind32

Undertaker is retiring it makes absolutly no sence for him not to put Ortan over. Wine all you like Taker is gonna loose and finally put someone over clean.
Raw Spoiler:


























Jericho anounced a ladder match at WM21 with him and five other elite Raw superstars and it was anounced that Hogan would be inducted into the HOF and that there will be a specail pippers pit @ WM21 feat. Stone Cold Steve Austin. WM21 is shapping up to be the event WMXX should have been

D-FENS

stalfos wrote:

It can't happen in just one year unless your comparing him to The Rock but he's not that good yet. And beating Foley, Micheals and Benoit is hardly sitting back.
Plus if he beat all those guys and it didnt work, what good is beating the undertaker going to do?

Exactly, he's not that good yet, if he was, he would have exploded by now.
But the shock value of him turning heel and endign Taker's undefeated streak at the Grand daddy of em all will be a landmark in his career to date.Watch.

Kio

hopefully some one tells him its not worth it and he should give up and go work for a mcdonalds in sorwds but failing that at least give the fans some one they want to see not a boy who only got in cause vince owed his daddy a faviour but if the wwe give orton some new moves and a new personality<ie make him heel and not part of evoliution but on his own> it mite work

savemejebus

My 2 cents

I think you're being awfully hard on orton regarding his workrate/abilities. Granted he can't hold a candle to Benoit, Guerrero etc. but then neither could Rock. When you look at it Orton and the Rock (at that stage of his career) are not that different, (neither is/was good technically, both got in on favours, both had crappy gimmicks that were dumped in favour of becoming stable heels (evolution vs NOD anyone) and both had major feuds with established favourites. The only real difference is Orton got pushed too quickly, his character and rapport with the crowd was only just building when he got pushed from snot nosed upstart legend killer to white bread nice guy/hero.

This time last year I hated Orton with a passion (don't really care bout him now but meh!) but the reason for hating him was because from what i could see he was being packaged/build up into a Rock clone. It was almost as if wwe management was working with a "by the numbers book" to build a next gen superstar. eg:

Step 1: Give crappy gimmick
Step 2: Rebadge and place in heel stable, give finisher and signature punch
Step 3: Give IC title
Step 4: Create long unbeaten streak
Step 5: Get established superstars to put him over
Step 6: Give Title
Step 7: Turn Face
Result: the Rock part 2

It almost worked too but management misread his popularity with the crowd and turned him too soon, thus messing up big time. However I'd imagine he is still seen as the posterboy for the "next" austin/rock so management will pull all the strings to get him back on track, so I think that either a win over taker, or a heel turning dq/loss is definitely on the cards.

still if he ends up going to smackdown for a feud hes pretty much history cos no one cares about that show anymore

Brow

What I think they should do is have Taker beat him and Orton either flips out and beats down on Taker with a chair afterwards or rags on the crowd for cheering Taker walking up the ramp or something. I just dont want Orton to be the one who ends Takers winning streak.

oneofakind32

No IMO Taker has to put him over. Would you rather taker put Hiedenrich over? I didnt think so. Ortan needs it and Undertaker is retiring. It would be the suckyist ending to a career ever. Whats the point of having a winning streak if no one breaks it. Its one of the fundamentals of how the business works. The old guy put the young guy over and taker hasnt put anyone over in the past year.

Mr.Nice Guy

I agree that Taker should put him over.That's the way the business works.Foley has done it for many guys and most recently for Orton.The Rock did it for Lesnar and Goldberg in recent years.Austin went out by losing to The Rock at WM19.Flair has consistently put people over.
It is the evolution of the business(no pun intended).

I think it could really cement him as a top heel and Raw is in desperate need of them although I can't see how he could become top heel unless Triple H is looking to take some time off,and I don't think he is.

Kio

but when triple h is gone who will the fans hate they'd just laugh at orton

Zombienosh

i can see orton winning....... some interference or some crazy bull**** happening..... tbh i hate the git

Brow

I admit taker should put more people over but not orton. All the matches taker has had at wrestlemania...

The Undertaker b Kane
Undertaker b. A-Train/Big Show.
Undertaker vs Ric Flair.
The Undertaker pinned Triple H
The Undertaker defeated The Big Bossman (
: The Undertaker defeated Kane
The Undertaker defeated Sycho Sid

Thats just to name a few in his legacy. To have Randy Rton of all people be the one to end it isnt right. I admit it would help put him over but think if it didnt. Legacy ruined and wasted.

D-FENS

Brow wrote:

I admit taker should put more people over but not orton. All the matches taker has had at wrestlemania...

The Undertaker b Kane
Undertaker b. A-Train/Big Show.
Undertaker vs Ric Flair.
The Undertaker pinned Triple H
The Undertaker defeated The Big Bossman (
: The Undertaker defeated Kane
The Undertaker defeated Sycho Sid

Thats just to name a few in his legacy. To have Randy Rton of all people be the one to end it isnt right. I admit it would help put him over but think if it didnt. Legacy ruined and wasted.

The thing is i don't think WWE agree with you, they still have big ambitions for Orton and they are not going to let his failed push last year make them give up on him, yet. They still see the potential in him and i think they are willing to put him over the Undertaker, i know it's his precious mania record at stake but when i think Undertaker i don't just think undefeated at WM, his legacy consists of a lot more than that so he can survive it, it's not exactly like losing to your biggest ever rival, by your own finisher, in front of your hometown or country ( Sorry Bret ).

Plus, no ones seems to have realised this will be Taker's unlucky 13th Wrestlemania.
No better time to lose.

Kio

D-FENS wrote:

Plus, no ones seems to have realised this will be Taker's unlucky 13th Wrestlemania.
No better time to lose.

ohhh thats good its down to luck if randy orton wins

well i feel better knowing that

Mr.Nice Guy

Orton looks to be going into this match as a face though so how is it going to work afterwards?A sudden heel turn would be a foolish move.One minute he's a good guy,the next he is a heel?Nah,I don't like that idea.If they are turning him heel they should do it the way they did with The Rock with The Rock asking the fans why they have turned on him.That would be far more interesting for Orton.Orton's a naturally cocky guy so it could work well.

gimmick

Personally I cant see why people feel that Orton needs to win to turn heel to look strong.

The way I see this playing out is it will be a poor match, dependant on a few spots. Taker will win, I have no doubt of that. Its after Takers win, he applauds Ortons heroic effort. All the while Orton is in shock that he has finally been beaten by a legend. He will shake the Takers hand. Once Taker turns away to leave the ring, Orton will then start the attack, turning heel in the process, plus making him look like all heels should sneaky and cowardly.

Anyway, Mania isnt all about that match. Raw Spoiler below.

Jericho announced a 5 (though I see this being increased to 6) man ladder match for mania. he has not yet named his opponents though, or what the prize will be. How do people see this playing out, and who will be the other participants.

My take on it is this. It can be for one of 2 things, either the IC title (hope not), or the number 1 contendership for Backlash.

My participants in it will be Y2J, Benoit, Christian, Edge, Shelton and Hassan be it for either the IC title or No 1 contendership. I will have Y2J winning it, simply because he has lost in the last 3 manias to Christain, HBK and HHH, setting him up to face the winner of the main event. But also, look at what a Y2J win could create. Its his 'invitational' which makes it look like he could be the winner as well

As for the main event, here is how i see that playing out. Again it will be a hugely competitive match with alot of high power moves. I see a run in from newly heel turned Orton, and him screwing Batista out of the title. Reason - Batista stole his spot in the main event of Wrestlemania, thus starting a huge fued between these 2. Maybe Orton will turn heel at this point, and not as above, and the more I think of it, it makes more sense this way. People will think he is on his way for HHH, but swerves and re-aligns himself with Evolotion.

The pay-off of this -

Backlash
HHH Vs Y2J (WHC)
Batista Vs Orton
Benoit Vs Edge Vs Christian (No 1 contenders match)
Shelton Vs Hassan for the IC title.

Y2J to win, Edge to win, setting them up for Bad Blood where Edge finally gets his hands on the title.

I also see the start of a Benoit and Christian feud here, which could make for great entertainment.

Now, Im sure you will all agree I should do some work and stop amking wrestling storylines!!!

oneofakind32

Wrestlemania is supposed to be the climax of the wrestling year. Having guys wrestle for a match at Backlash defeats the pupose. I recone it will be a cash prize or somthing like that. Also Jericho didnt nessicarily say it was a ladder match. He said it was a challange for 5 five other Raw superstars to face him in the ring with a steal ladder. Maybe they have some sort of hybrid ladder match on the cards. I would think so concidering that there is no belt on the line. I think the 5 guys should be Edge , Cristean, Matt Hardy (if he comes back), Huricane and Benjimen

Brow

I think Hardy will be involved with Kane and Snitksy in some way if they have that match. Ithink theyll put Hassan (if the Hogan match or whatever doesnt go ahead) or Masters.

D-FENS

Kio wrote:

ohhh thats good its down to luck if randy orton wins

well i feel better knowing that

No need for sarcasm.

WWE writers would have no problem mentioning the fact that it's Undertaker's 13th mania and could play a part in the outcome,the fact that he headlined WM13 in '97 was used at the time.

gimmick

oneofakind32 wrote:

Wrestlemania is supposed to be the climax of the wrestling year. Having guys wrestle for a match at Backlash defeats the pupose. I recone it will be a cash prize or somthing like that. Also Jericho didnt nessicarily say it was a ladder match. He said it was a challange for 5 five other Raw superstars to face him in the ring with a steal ladder. Maybe they have some sort of hybrid ladder match on the cards. I would think so concidering that there is no belt on the line. I think the 5 guys should be Edge , Cristean, Matt Hardy (if he comes back), Huricane and Benjimen

Im waiting for you to improve the storyline so?

If the match is for money, why would the fans give a toss? "Oh Hurrah, Y2J will be slightly more wealthy, that will make me turn on and watch wwe for the next few weeks and months". This way feuds are being created, and storylines are beginning.

Wrestlemania generally settles feuds, and also sets the tone for the next few months.

Zip

World Heavyweight Championship:
HHH v Batista

WWE Title:
JBL v Cena

Womens Title:
Trish v Christy

Undertaker v Orton

6 Man Ladder Match For A Chance At The World Heavy Weight Tile(witch can be used even at wm22):
Shelton Benjamen v Chris Benoit v Chris Jericho v Kane v Edge v Christian

Angle v Michles

Big Show v Akebono

Austin will be at PIPERS PIT
........................................................................................................

(This part of the card are all the what if matches)

World Heavy Weight Title:
HHH v Orton

WWE Title:
JBL v Cena v Batista

Kane v Matt and Lita

Snitsky v Heidinreich

Carlito v Teddy Long

Womens Title(interbrand match):
Torrie Wilson v Trish

Haas v Benjamen v Angle

Jericho v Benoit v Michles(ladder)

The return of the following people:
Road Dogg
Xpac
Jeff Hardy
Grand Master Sexay

THE LIST GOES ON....................................................................WHAT IF