Vegetarians, sane or mad??

joseph brand

I believe that long ago man found that there was better nourishment from beef, than a handful of crappy berries, and leaves, and he was right!!

While I was away in the States four years ago, there was a girl who came over with us, and she was a veggie/vegan.

This girl, as far as I could see was fairly thin and did not really like 'Any' food.

She did lots of smoking and tea drinking, . . . . . .and that's all, as far as nourishment is concerned.

One day she was calling out the name of a guy from next-door, not knowing that I was in next room, slightly hungover. He didn't answer as he was elsewhere.

After about 5 minutes I shouted out to her, "you ok?"
She replied "no!!".

What had happened was, she fainted on the floor and woke up scared.

I would have offered her tea and a sausage sambo only the sausages aren't really that nice over there.

This is my view of Veggies/Vegans.

Also, my friends sister is one and her twin daughters are now also, beacause she told them to join her???


I think they are all weird and a little tapped isteach sa head.

Ro: maaan!

Eh...

I knew a guy who used to wear a pink shirt. One day he went on a killing spree. Now I only talk to people who wear white shirts.

Nukem

Ro: maaan! wrote:

Eh...

I knew a guy who used to wear a pink shirt. One day he went on a killing spree. Now I only talk to people who wear white shirts.

Ok?

No don't agree with veggie/vigan: while i respect peoples choice i personally don't agree with it.Body needs meat.

Karl Hungus

Eh, they're not all mad really, but a cup of tea as food is ****ing retarded, your friend deserves a Darwin award for that.

Pet

I met a Chinese guy one day and he was a little odd and the chinese eat rats so from those two pieces of information I can extrapolate that Chinese people are really weird and horrible to animals, all 1 billion+ of them.

Chinafoot

eh well i dont think you can base all veggies on that one girl.....sounds more like an eating disorder in her case.

one of my very good mates is a vegetarian and he's very healthy.

tuxy

one vegetarian is stupid = all vegetarian are stupid
this thread is stupid = all your threads are stupid

seamus

I knew a non-vegetarian once who ate so much meat that he clogged his arteries and died.

Now I think all non-vegetarians are dead.

monster_fighter

Nukem wrote:

Ok?

No don't agree with veggie/vigan: while i respect peoples choice i personally don't agree with it.Body needs meat.

Body needs meat?

You and me, outside, NOW!

... should sort out who's body needs meat....


But seriously, your body doesn't need meat. I easily get the 1gram per
kilo needed. Actually I normally eat about 2 grams per kilo so I don't waste anyeffort in the gym.

flikflak

Some people use vegetarianism as a smoke screen for eating disorders. I think that was what the person you knew was doing. By saying "Oh I am a vegetarian" they think you will not find it strange that all they do is smoke fags and drink tea. A proper vegetarian diet is fine and healthy provided you are varying your diet and not relying on one food source.

Therefore in answer to your question I think that it does not matter if someone is a veggie or not there are some maaaaaaaad people about no matter what they eat/dont eat.

Kingsize

nice idea but no! dont be so silly
im a vegetarrian & dont make any fuss about it,i sit down at xmas dinner & watch my loved ones eat the carved dead flesh of what was once a living being.
I'm eternally annoyed by folks poking & sniffing at my lunch like dogs rooting through bin bags.
Its really no big deal but there are loads of ppl who cant get there head round it though .

seriously you dont eat meat?
no im vegetarian i dont eat any animals at all.
what do you eat then?
erm......vegetables!!
But you can eat Fish?
???????****s sake!!!
ive started telling people that im a hare Krishna & its part of my religion & would they like to come to a meeting,that usually stops em in their tracks

seamus

flikflak wrote:

Some people use vegetarianism as a smoke screen for eating disorders. I think that was what the person you knew was doing. By saying "Oh I am a vegetarian" they think you will not find it strange that all they do is smoke fags and drink tea. A proper vegetarian diet is fine and healthy provided you are varying your diet and not relying on one food source.

Yep, can happen. By pretending to be a strict vegan, people with anorexia, in particular can very easily find ways of refusing food.
As you say, it's quite likely that this girl just drank tea and smoked fags to stave off her hunger pangs. Fainting and lethargy is much less common in vegetarians than it is in strict vegans, since you'll find that even though a lot of vegetarians don't eat a balanced enough diet, they haven't cut out enough foods to leave themselves malnourished.

Joseph, was she a vegetarian or a vegan? There's a big difference in diets. A bit like me saying "Oh he was a Jew/non-vegetarian"..

Zombienosh

Vegetarians, mad?? no more mad than the rest of us.

.....thought u had to eat meat to be mad anyway?......or maybe i missed the mad brocoli disease.

2 cows in a field......

Cow1: hey, did you hear about that mad cow disease, does it worry you?
Cow2: nah, I don't need to worry about that.
Cow1: why not?!
Cow2: cos I'm a horse.

koneko

That girl sounds like she was anorexic rather than vegetarian, as others have suggested.

I've known plenty of really sound vegetarians, ones that do the research, know what foods to get to replace what they miss out on in meat, and are really healthy happy people.

Having said that, it's not for me, I like eating animals. You can't beat a nice big juicy steak.

Nukem

monster_fighter wrote:

You and me, outside, NOW!

... should sort out who's body needs meat....

Lets Dance!!!!!

blondie83

mmmm...steak! I went to America a couple of years ago, and there were 2 vegies in our group, but they ate loads - they said they had to eat more than us cos they needed more protien and suchlike stuff, which makes a bit of sense. It never caused any problems or anything though, cos most places where you eat do do vegetarian options. In fact they got me hooked on the subway "vegie delight" sub!

Oeneus

To the point someone made about a chinese guy eating rats. The Chinese aren't actually weird at all (this goes for most Asian cultures), they're just more efficiant with their eating. They don't believe in wasting food. they will eat anything thats edible and won't throw away left overs. Which in my opinion is a great attitude.

I know a family who own a chinese restaurant and went in one day and they were all feasting on a dish based on chicken feet. It kind of grossed me out but come to think of it it's no different to eating its wing! I enjoy Pate and technically that's more discusting!

RasTa

Strange topic, veggie myself.

Dont label people

The_B_Man

i know a few veggies. one gir lis a veggie, not because of all the animal rights issues, but just coz she doesnt like the taste of meat or thethought of eatin something that was walkin around a field not so long ago!
she eats replacements for meat though, like that Quorn stuff, which she has me eatin aswell, and you can get some beans aswell that are designed for veggies that have all the protein u get from meat. in the case of the bird in the original post, i'd say its just her thats mad! if her face is skeletal, then i'd go wit the others regarding the eatin disorder.

Talliesin

joseph brand wrote:

I believe that long ago man found that there was better nourishment from beef, than a handful of crappy berries, and leaves, and he was right!!

At the time though meat was hard to get and evolution is a slow process. Our bodies have evolved to live on a vegetarian diet ocassionally supplemented by meat. Certainly vegetarians that pay attention to what they eat (1 is not a statistically valid survey) are a lot healthier than the likes of myself, who find it hard to consider something a meal unless at least one animal died to prepare it.

I'm reminded of Thoreau recounting being told by a farmer "You cannot live on vegetable foods solely, for they furnish nothing to build bones with" and Thoreau musing "All the while he is talking he is walking behind his oxen which with vegetable-made bones jerks him and his plow along."

shazza1

Nukem wrote:

Body needs meat.

Yeah i agree. I was a vegetarian for about two years. just before xmas i ended up in hospital as i was constantly fainting, missing school, missing work and i would sleep 24/7 if i got the chance.
Was in hospital for 8 days with amenia.
Was v. low in iron therefore catching everything going around and always ill.
On iron tablets now and i eat a little meat, i dont really like it but i suppose its better than ending up in hospital again.
s.

windowgazer

I was a veggie for 10 years and recently started munching meat again. I was veggie for ethical reasons, but I found that as a lazy vegetarian, I was becoming very unhealthy. Starting a 'real job' put alot more stress on my time than being a student was and I didn't take to time to make good meals. my hormones were messed up from lack of fish oils and I was very underweight.
So, my point is that people have to take responsibility for themselves. If you have the time and are willing to make the effort to replace what you're missing as a veggie, then go ahead!(I'll do it again myself when I can)
But if you're just going to cut meat out and not replace the lost vitamins and minerals then don't do it! You body will soon let you know how stupid you're being.

heggie

I've been a strict vegetarian for 12 years now. Something the 'normal' meat eaters could learn from us is to check ingredients of what you eat. For 12 years i've checked whats in the food I eat, whether it contains geletine, or colourant made from beetles etc, its a good practice to get into. Whether u eat meat or not, we should all know whats in our food, you'd be suprised, and maybe a little freaked out.

Emerson

I'm eating mostly veggie for the benefit of my health.
If you become vegetarian and live on tea, white bread, crisps, chocolate, fags, processed cereals and use starchy potatoes as your main/only vegetable serving then you're heading for an early grave.

If you eat a sh*t load more fruit, vegetables (any greens particularly), legumes and a certain amount of WHOLE grains including quinoa you stand a chance of becoming far healthier than the average meat eater. The higher nutrition density per calorie & fibre of these foods delivers optimal nutrition to your system leaving very little room for filling up on nutritionally devoid foods.

You increase you're intake of phytochemicals, anti-oxidants, vitamins & minerals, replace saturated fat for unsaturated fat AND feel a whole lot better about yourself.

I used to have coco pops for breakfast, cuppa soup and 4 slices of white toast washed down with 2 litres of mucous forming pasteurised milk for lunch, pizza and chips or some mince beef & potato for dinner and eat endless bowls of sugary cereal in between.
I suffered acne all over, persistent itchy red streaming eyes, severe pains in my stomach in the mid morning (think it was the milk fermenting) and plummeting attention span in school as well as a constant running nose and stuffed up sounding voice.

I've replaced the cereal with porridge with ground flax/cranberry (ya get it in health stores, full of omega 3), the milk with water (try not to wash my food down though as ya gotta chew if your gonna get the nutrients out of food!), and I eat an absolute ton of fruit/veg every day. I take cod liver oil (for extra omega 3/vit.d) every day and a b12 supplement (VERY important for vegies!).

The last time I ate a substantial amount of beef, I felt fairly unwell for about 2 days. It seemed to sit there, in my stomach, like a brick.

Since making the changes, I've never felt better and the above ailments have slowly but surely disappeared!

If you're going to pursue the vegetarian thing, please do a bit of nutritional research first. I'd strongly recommend you read Dr. Joel Fuhrman's "Eat to Live" book. This is what initially spurred my interest in the subject.

Remember, broccoli has more protein per 100 calories than beef! http://www.vsc.org/protein.htm
Regarding iron intake.. green vegetables provide more than enough for your system although not as easily absorbed, the body shifts up it's absorption rate when an increase in iron is necessary. The body can't, however, squeeze blood from a stone. There ain't much iron in tea 'n' toast!

Altheus

Quite clearly insane. Give up steak, salt and pepper chicken winds, doner kebabs, turkey and ham at christmas? Pah. We are human, we suck anyway, and face it; They'd eat you.

heggie

Altheus wrote:

Quite clearly insane. Give up steak, salt and pepper chicken winds, doner kebabs, turkey and ham at christmas? Pah. We are human, we suck anyway, and face it; They'd eat you.

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hmmm, if i translated that stuff into its proper names then YOU would be 'quite clearly insane'.

banquo

hmm. I always thought of vegetarianism as being this ugly little piece of self-indulgence that turns animal welfare into some kind of personal fashion statement, like the anti-war-in-iraq "Not In My Name" campaign. 248 million people* die from famine in the last 100 years and it's "i dont want to eat pig".





*source = "all the trouble in the world", P.J. o' Rourke.

heggie

banquo wrote:

hmm. I always thought of vegetarianism as being this ugly little piece of self-indulgence that turns animal welfare into some kind of personal fashion statement, like the anti-war-in-iraq "Not In My Name" campaign. 248 million people* die from famine in the last 100 years and it's "i dont want to eat pig".

Lol, stupidist comment i've heard in a long time

banquo

heggie wrote:

stupidist comment i've heard in a long time

this is what i'm talking about: the substitution of facts for.. something else? or the substitution of a reasonable argument for "I don't like you".

Heggie, in a earlier post you spent some time explaining not why vegetarianism is good, but rather why the people who ate meat were bad. Admittidly, to be careful about what we eat is excellent advice, and we'd all do well to take heed there, but you can't swap pathos for logos and get an argument based on reason.

heggie

i wasnt attacking meat eaters, just making a point that at times its not the healthiest lifestyle. Vegetarian benefits are obvious, i dont think i need to point them out. But seroiusly, linking 3rd world starvation to imply that vegetarians are arrogant, and even greedy/selfish because they are 'too good' for a pig that poorer people would love to eat, thats just plain stupid, and stretching this 'debate' a little too far. I dont eat meat mainly for ethical, and semi-religious reasons, but surely there is a type of food that you dont like, should you eat it because other people somewhere in the world need that food ?

monster_fighter

Nukem wrote:

Lets Dance!!!!!

Bring it on

PS: banquo- I think you'll find heggie is not so scrawny. His arguments may make little sense at ten to five on a saturday morning (he probably spent the night in Angels and I am more than sure he's drunk).

Talliesin

banquo wrote:

248 million people* die from famine in the last 100 years and it's "i dont want to eat pig".

While distribution rather than production remains the primary issue as far as famine-prevention goes it's worth noting that it takes considerably fewer resources to feed someone a balanced vegetarian diet than it does to feed them a diet in which meat features significantly.

Sarky

From the point of view of, say, a cabbage, vegetarians are Lawful Evil.

Nukem

monster_fighter wrote:

Bring it on

Bringing it

Never meant to annoy anyone. If you dont want to eat meat i have no quams with that,its your choice and fair does for doing it. My view is that body needs meat and thats my view. Would never force it on anyone.

Nermal

Nukem wrote:

My view is that body needs meat and thats my view.

fantastic argument there dude. we prostrate ourselves at your feet in awe of your logic. or maybe because we're light-headed from not eating meat. :rolleyes:

Cojofl

I have no problem with vegetarians, as long as they're not trying to convert me.

Gothic Warrior

Vegetarians are all hypocrites. See here: http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=grill

po0k

Vegetarians aren't "sane" or "mad", merely denying their own physiology.

Humans are omnivores.
We have canines and incisors for a reason.
That reason, for me, is that a juicy steak cooked to perfection tastes wonderful.

po0k

Altheus wrote:

They'd eat you.

Which is why kittens should be on the menu.

Slutmonkey57b

Dammit I was just going to link maddox.

Fcku it I'll do it anyway.

http://maddox.xmission.com/grill.html

For every animal you don't eat, I'm going to eat three.
Again, no problem with people being vegetarian, but please don't pretend to be more ethical than meat eaters. You're just as unhealthy and full of **** as the rest of us.

Oeneus

Except vegetarians sh*t tend to stink a lot more!
That's right, girls. Being a veggy makes you smell!

Sarky

Vegetarians like to eat the stalk.

Nermal

Slutmonkey57b wrote:

http://maddox.xmission.com/grill.html

damn, I think i lowered my iq a few points reading that incoherent rant. did a vegetarian steal his girlfriend or something? that it is not possible to go through life without killing animals doesn't mean it is pointless to try to kill less of them.

monster_fighter

Slutmonkey57b wrote:

Dammit I was just going to link maddox.

Fcku it I'll do it anyway.

http://maddox.xmission.com/grill.html

For every animal you don't eat, I'm going to eat three.

I'd have no problem with your line of arrgument if you also ate humans.

Slutmonkey57b wrote:

Again, no problem with people being vegetarian, but please don't pretend to be more ethical than meat eaters. You're just as unhealthy and full of **** as the rest of us.

That bile you feel welling up inside of you is not your hated of vegetarians, but of yourself for knowing they are right, but not caring.

TacT

Only the ones that use that or veganism as a cover for their eating disorders --such as a lovely girl I went out with many moons ago. She never ate anything and after a while I confronted her about it, she'd been through most eating disorders already and she wasn't even a real vegetarian, she'd eat chicken white and some fish if pushed a little bit. I managed to put a bit of weight on the poor stick but she was soon back to her old ways of pigging out and throwing up and getting very thin like a stick again. I went veggie for months just so I could ensure that she wouldn't have an excuse to avoid food -- which she did for a long time beforehand.

so in summary, all model wannabe vegetarians because they have eating disorders and were told to lose more weight are as mad as they come.

Nothing wrong with vegetarians though, they're usually the clever ones who know about nourishment and what the body needs, then they realise there's no need to eat meat -- which there isn't, tastes damn good though, I won't be giving up mine any time soon.

TacT

Slutmonkey57b wrote:

Dammit I was just going to link maddox.

Fcku it I'll do it anyway.

http://maddox.xmission.com/grill.html

For every animal you don't eat, I'm going to eat three.
Again, no problem with people being vegetarian, but please don't pretend to be more ethical than meat eaters. You're just as unhealthy and full of **** as the rest of us.

Why not? If they know anything about nourishment then they're bound to be healthier and they're doing their part for what they believe in, no need to dump on em for it, let em bask in the glory of non-meatdom while we guzzle down the sausages heh.

Slutmonkey57b

Eeeh, and the "ethicists" miss the point of the maddox rant totally, as expected.

The point is that if a vegetarian is going around shovelling their ethical "superiority" down people's throats, then they are simply ignoring the fact that they kill lots of animals themselves - but instead of killing animals for food, they kill them for no good reason at all. While bitching at people for eating animals! Read it again. Either you actually grow and harvest all your own food, or you are an animal killer. By all means be a veggie if you want, just don't sit there being smug about it.

crazy angel

vegetarianism- if it sh1ts dont eat it!

Thordon

The point is that if a vegetarian is going around shovelling their ethical "superiority" down people's throats, then they are simply ignoring the fact that they kill lots of animals themselves - but instead of killing animals for food, they kill them for no good reason at all. While bitching at people for eating animals! Read it again. Either you actually grow and harvest all your own food, or you are an animal killer. By all means be a veggie if you want, just don't sit there being smug about it.

I learned a long time ago that you cant change people by forcing your views down their throat, how many internet arguments (for example), ever end with one person changing their view, Ive never been in one.

Ive made mistakes, especially early on when I didnt know about gelatine etc, but its not like Im trying to win a contest, as if 1 mistake means I lose, I simply endeavour to not make the same mistake again.

We live in a world where the majority of people dont mind killing animals for food/clothing/etc, so its very hard to get a lot of things that fully comply with vegitarianism, but its by no means impossible.

Ive been a vegitarian since I was about 15, 4 years, Ive never fainted, or had to go to hospital, in fact I cant think of any effect on my health. That could just be me tho. I have no doubt that I will be vegitarian for the rest of my life, and you could quote me on that.

Doper Than U

Another point that page missed is that while it may be more "economically" viable to grow grain and soya in terms of land usage per cow vs crop, it is not "ecologically" better. Growing grain puts enormous pressure on the soil, so much so that it is unusable after a few years, and must be rested.

Also, if everyone suddenly turned vegetarian it would do untold damage to the delicate ecosystems worldwide that are being wiped out due to intesive farming, there are only a handful of true, natural meadows left in Britain, the rest have all been obliterated by intensive agriculture (for both meat and grain).

To increase the amount of land we would need to grow only vegetables, fruits and grains would damage the environment and countryside... not to mention the native species of animal such as the deer who actually graze alongside pastures for cows, sheep (etc). Herbivores and grazers such as deer, rabbit, crow, pigeon etc, are a menace to grain and veg growers, so much so that they are killed in the millions each year to protect the grain (and not just in the combine harvesters). In the uk, there are 20 million pigeons that do massive damage to crops. 5 million are shot each year so that we can have wheat, corn, oats (and so on). Imagine how many would have to be shot if we ONLY produced grain and veg...

This planet, her nature, are designed to exist in BALANCE. It is totally against nature for humans to all be vegetarian, our planet simply cannot sustain that amount of veg and grain production... I think far more important for vegetarians and meat eaters to think about is the quality of the meat they are eating and the welfare standards behind it (Battery hens anyone?), and also the quality of veg (carcinogenic pesticides anyone?).

Btw, I am using Britain as an example here because I know those figures to be correct, I don't have them for Ireland. But our agricultural methods are so similar anyway, it's moot really..

po0k

Doper Than U wrote:

Another point that page missed is that while it may be more "economically" viable to grow grain and soya in terms of land usage per cow vs crop, it is not "ecologically" better. Growing grain puts enormous pressure on the soil, so much so that it is unusable after a few years, and must be rested.

Also, if everyone suddenly turned vegetarian it would do untold damage to the delicate ecosystems worldwide that are being wiped out due to intesive farming, there are only a handful of true, natural meadows left in Britain, the rest have all been obliterated by intensive agriculture (for both meat and grain).

To increase the amount of land we would need to grow only vegetables, fruits and grains would damage the environment and countryside... not to mention the native species of animal such as the deer who actually graze alongside pastures for cows, sheep (etc). Herbivores and grazers such as deer, rabbit, crow, pigeon etc, are a menace to grain and veg growers, so much so that they are killed in the millions each year to protect the grain (and not just in the combine harvesters). In the uk, there are 20 million pigeons that do massive damage to crops. 5 million are shot each year so that we can have wheat, corn, oats (and so on). Imagine how many would have to be shot if we ONLY produced grain and veg...

This planet, her nature, are designed to exist in BALANCE. It is totally against nature for humans to all be vegetarian, our planet simply cannot sustain that amount of veg and grain production... I think far more important for vegetarians and meat eaters to think about is the quality of the meat they are eating and the welfare standards behind it (Battery hens anyone?), and also the quality of veg (carcinogenic pesticides anyone?).

Btw, I am using Britain as an example here because I know those figures to be correct, I don't have them for Ireland. But our agricultural methods are so similar anyway, it's moot really..

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