Broadband in Johnstown Navan @24.99

ASTRACLUB

Hi all

Looking to hear from people near around Navan johnstown, near supervalue area. There can be a hotspot setup for the broadband without phone connection, i.e. wireless broadband (I am not talking about www.digiweb.ie as they are crap in quality) the company say if they get atleast 40 members then they can set up our own hot spot in the area and the cost would be merely 24 euro a month. this would be a community broadband so .
any heads up?

reply us asap.

we have also put a notice board on supervalue, so you can have a look at that as well

cheers

heffo9

put me down for that, was talkin to joe zwarts earlier on.

alleepally

ASTRACLUB wrote:

Hi all

Looking to hear from people near around Navan johnstown, near supervalue area. There can be a hotspot setup for the broadband without phone connection, i.e. wireless broadband (I am not talking about www.digiweb.ie as they are crap in quality) the company say if they get atleast 40 members then they can set up our own hot spot in the area and the cost would be merely 24 euro a month. this would be a community broadband so .
any heads up?

reply me asap.

I have also put a notice board on supervalue, so you can have a look at that as well

cheers

Is it possible to do this in any area of the country. I have a bad experience with Digiweb DSL right now in the Wicklow area and I wish I could do something similar

heffo9

here is the web site
http://www.ildana.com
they dont seem to have wicklow in their list, but you could always drop them a line. visit their online shop were the broadband packages are listed.

tomk

alleepally wrote:

I have a bad experience with Digiweb DSL right now in the Wicklow area and I wish I could do something similar

Depending where you are in Wicklow, it might be worth getting in touch with the BB4NEWicklow site. They're looking for people in the area who would like to set up a Group Broadband Scheme.

If you're not in their proposed coverage area, you could always start the ball rolling for your own GBS.

ASTRACLUB

Try to contact them to open otherwise
there is one more option for wicklow as i think EIRCOM would not have BB there
www.brodsat.com you need a dial up to upload but you can download through setalite
they seems to be good as well where there is no community scheme or,
speak the above mention people, Zoe has spoke to them and MD of the company need atleast 20 people.
so if you could spread the word in your area like we are doing then there might be a possibility to have BB there as well
good luck and keep us posted

Regards

AC & Zoe

SkepticOne

heffo9 wrote:

here is the web site
http://www.ildana.com
they dont seem to have wicklow in their list, but you could always drop them a line. visit their online shop were the broadband packages are listed.

So is it satellite backhaul? This is what they have done with a lot of their schemes for which they have recieved public money.

bminish

SkepticOne wrote:

So is it satellite backhaul? This is what they have done with a lot of their schemes for which they have recieved public money.

Yes, all of the recently announced GBS Schemes that ildana are involved with are VSAT back-haul jobbies, including one that is 5.2km away from and has line of sight to, the Limerick MAN
see this thread
The only non-VSAT scheme announced in that round was Kinvara Co Galway.

ildana told everyone at the GBS round 2 conference that 2 way satellite latency wasn't an issue, that they had happy gamers, VPN works perfectly, that VOIP was perfect, best thing since sliced bread etc
Strangely reluctant to give written guarantees that this was the case though.

Best avoided at all costs, methinks

.brendan

ASTRACLUB

Bminish

So what do you and other thinks about the quality of the services?

Recommended?
Better then eircom?
Better then digiweb

or anything else?????


regards


AC

bminish

ASTRACLUB wrote:

Bminish

So what do you and other thinks about the quality of the services?
AC

I am not in the business of recommending services I haven't used.
digiweb's main 'problem' is that they seem to be throttling P2P traffic
the internet != P2P and the VSAT people have to do the same

very few people will be that happy with VSAT, for some it will be better than dial-up but for anyone doing anything even remotely interactive ISDN would be a better choice

with VSAT solutions like ildana are offering expect pingtimes to ALWAYS be worse than about 650 msec
That rules out mot gaming, anything interactive and will make things like secure web pages dog slow.

.Brendan

crawler

bminish wrote:

I am not in the business of recommending services I haven't used.
digiweb's main 'problem' is that they seem to be throttling P2P traffic
the internet != P2P and the VSAT people have to do the same

very few people will be that happy with VSAT, for some it will be better than dial-up but for anyone doing anything even remotely interactive ISDN would be a better choice

with VSAT solutions like ildana are offering expect pingtimes to ALWAYS be worse than about 650 msec
That rules out mot gaming, anything interactive and will make things like secure web pages dog slow.

.Brendan

Yep, have to agree with Brendan agian - although I have Digiweb wireless at home and never have a problem with it? Mind you I am not a gamer or serious downloader....AFAIK the throttle issue will be addressed very soon too!

dkane

TaraWAN.net will also have their wireless community network setup shortly which will provide broadband internet access to its members. They plan on covering a large area around Johnstown, Tara, Kilmessan, Kiltale and Dunsany. Their backhaul will be coming from DSL as opposed to SAT, they hope to provide a lot of local content besides broadband too (ftp, voip, live streams etc). see www.tarawan.net for more.

royoftherovers

Has to be better than whats currently available...BTW anyone know why DSL isn't available in Johnstown. With thousands of new houses, I would have thought it would have been almost automatic but no...

I have a feeling that eircom assume we're enabled because we're near Navan. On the DSL trigger site it says its available, and lists the location as Navan but whenever I check my line it fails. I know I'm not into the Navan exchange, but some other exchange which isn't enabled...

Do eircom assume Johnsown is covered?

Blaster99

I don't know, but I think you can safely assume that nobody's paying any attention to that trigger scheme. Eircom is in any event rolling out to smaller exchanges over the next couple of months so you might be in luck soon. I don't know if there's a list of exchanges covered by this rollout.

heffo9

johnstown is served by the kilcarn exchange which has not been bb enabled and is not due to be in the near future, according to eircom. i have contacted them a few times, to highlight the fact that approx half the population of navan is not bb enabled, but they dont seem to give a f**k.
just another point the ida business park (johnstown) is bb enabled from the navan exchange, so why aren't we.

MickFarr

ASTRACLUB wrote:

cost would be merely 24 euro a month.

You will also need to use your phone line while anytime you are online. So that'll put the cost up depening on how many hours your online

heffo9

johnstown is served by the kilcarn exchange which has not been bb enabled and is not due to be in the near future, according to eircom. i have contacted them a few times, to highlight the fact that approx half the population of navan is not bb enabled, but they dont seem to give a f**k.
just another point the ida business park (johnstown) is bb enabled from the navan exchange, so why aren't we.

marco murphy

Is there caps?
Can you use it and phone at same time?
Setup cost?
Crap website

ASTRACLUB

Lads

I tried to contact this lady at the eircom exchange and on asking about the line failure, she said the system could show the line as failure but we could be connected as well. then on checking my number she said that my line had never been checked for BB enabling, thank you very much!!! as i said to her she said that someone will check my line in 2 weeks and we could be lucky. Now i am on 04690... number and with same setup, my friend in navan is getting bb since last 4 months so my understanding is that exchange should be same. now i have not heared from eircom since then, I think that eircom girl was talking with her 6th sense as i have never heared such type of line checking manualy thing....:-(
now lets see what happens as eircom si working near the chinese rest+pub and that could be the link addition from navan exchange to our area.
Hope for the best!!!
by the way,
Joseph Zwarts is volunteering himself to get the bb done in our area but i dont think we are getting somethin, i suggest that we should meet at supervalu somewhere and then start a protest or march towards eircom or somewhere to heared our voice,
any takers in this, any more then 20 protesetors could do, i dont know but someone from us should come forward from our area and we can spare one day with slogans and other type of protest...
what the people say on it....
Regards

Di

heffo9

eircom just fog you off about checking your line, they tell you to ring back in 10 days, sure they dont even check it, i've went through this crap and ended up no better off. they told me the other day that i was like thousands of other people in the country and that i would just have to wait.
i think your right about the protest, but we would need more than 20 poeple to make any difference. i also think we should be hitting meath county council. anyone know when they meet.

marco murphy

Ill join lads,how about we arrange at North East Board

Go up to bar at the top and go to region,north east.

ASTRACLUB

lets roll it thru this page, words of mouth and putting on supervalue, i will tell joe to start the prep for protest,
lets make it, we arrange a date and then start working towards thats side,
3-5 person should meet to get the people out for protest,
Joe, would you be intrested in arranging or collection already listed people for this and then we can meet maybe at odwyer's for the perp to go ahead.
Lets see how many come come up as at this moment of time, i dont think community BB is coming up as they are asking too much money for installation.
Any words
Joe?

DI

marco murphy

Sorry astra,iam i missing something,whos joe?

Crumble

count me in, just say when and where

crumble

halflife

count me in also

byte

heffo9 wrote:

johnstown is served by the kilcarn exchange which has not been bb enabled and is not due to be in the near future, according to eircom. i have contacted them a few times, to highlight the fact that approx half the population of navan is not bb enabled, but they dont seem to give a f**k.
just another point the ida business park (johnstown) is bb enabled from the navan exchange, so why aren't we.

According to Eircom's website, Kilcarn is to be DSL enabled before March 2006

Go to the News section on Eircom.ie and the story is eircom to provide Broadband access to 90% of country by 2006, dated 11:07 Friday 11 February 2005

I can't direct link as Session times out on the link?

halflife

Thanks Byte , is there any word on Smart Telecom coming around this neck of the woods

byte

Don't be holding your breath for Smart. I'd like Smart too but it'll probably never happen. My exchange is also shortlisted to be enabled by Mar 06.

Anytime now... :rolleyes:

halflife

Damn it , why is it so hard to get decent broadband , anyway thanks for the info ..

dkane

TaraWAN will have wireless broadband available to much of Johnstown in the next couple of weeks. tarawan.net

marco murphy

Count me in anyway,again,just PM me when and where,we'll show them!! :P

joetighe

Folks,
can I get an accurate update on how Johnstown is currently serviced or not by eircom / digiweb or others.
If its not serviced at all, residents there should get the ball moving on the group broadband scheme which i will help facilitate.
Approx 10 Meath areas have started moving on this,
Ballivor is approved and Athboy application is with the dept. at the moment.
see www.meath.ie for details.
Regards

Joe Tighe

Group Broadband Co-Ordinator,
Mid-East Region (Kildare, Meath, Wicklow),
Meath County Council,
County Hall, Navan, Co. Meath
e: jtighe@meathcoco.ie
t: 046 9021581 ext 491

marco murphy

Hi Joe,i emailed you today,i live in Kilberry.

I would suggest anyone to contact Joe as he is very helpful,why wait for eircom.Contact Joe like i did.

mosizlack

Isnt it amazing that the IDA park is ADSL enabled and the rest if us regular schmoes have been left behind ?

I would live fixed line dsl to be available in Johnstown, holding off getting isdn lines in at home for work just incase dsl comes along, cant get wireless adsl as my employer does not allow wireless dsl acess .......

the telecoms system in johnstown is just as bad as the sewage system - its stinks ! the struggle continues !

marco murphy

Sewage :P

Just like everything else in Navan,all badly planned

collsoft

I was about to set up a business in the old village, and I assumed that broadband was there because it was in Navan.

I cant believe they build a special exchange for the area (Kilcarn) with a couple of thousand houses, and then don't bother to bring in DSL!!!

Let em know when your campaign begins - I will help.

Would it be any use to post leaflets through peoples letterboxes in Johnstown, just asking people to register their interest with eircom?

joetighe

The Group Broadband Scheme works by collecting names and addresses in your area, by flyers, knocking on doors, church announcement etc. Once you have 25+ 'potential' expressions of interest contact me and i can get the ball moving re. companies to bring the service to your area. The companies get a 28% grant to bring it in.
Johnstown has the population, it just needs a couple of people to get moving on this. Next round of funding closes on the 28 April. See www.meath.ie for more details or contact me.

Joe Tighe,
Regional Co-ordinator,
jtighe@meathcoco.ie
046 9021581 x 491

heffo9

right, so let's get a defo list of people interested in here first then meet up and organise a local advertisng campaign. how about meetin up at supervalu on thursday night(31/03), or even o briens pub. just to get the ball rollin

ASTRACLUB

Agreed with
• heffo9
lets make it at O'Dywers pub on 31/03 at 8:30 evening,

can some one make a A4 print and stick it to supervalu as well about this if we are meeting ahead

i am going to personal Pm all the user of this forum

JOHNSTOWN AREA BROADBAND MEETING
31/03/05
At 8:30 PM
O'Dywers pub

see ya there

joetighe

Folks,
Thursday is too short notice for me, I am tied up that evening, although I can meet anyone in Navan or Johnstown on Thursday up to 6:30pm.
Otherwise I can make it at a different date next week, although I would recommend moving sooner rather than later.

It is a question of getting interested parties, not neccessarily subscribers, just expressions of interest on a list.
There are various ways to do this ;
If you want you can set up a group such as the kilmessan broadband initiave, or work alone.

1. Then knock on doors
2. Telephone around homes and businesses.
3. Hold a public meeting
4. Ask your priest to announce there is a list at the back of the church for signing. (This got 40 names in Summerhill on one Sunday morning)
5. Place boxes in shops for people to drop their details into (worked well in Athboy).

A company will take interest once they see the potential in the place so the more expressions of interest on your list the better.

The dept. will deal with a minimum of 25, however companies usually want 30/40.

As I said give me a ring to organise a separate meeting if you need to,
Regards,

Joe Tighe
Regional Co-ordinator,
jtighe@meathcoco.ie
046 9021581 x 491

ASTRACLUB

Joe

thanks for reply.
tried to ring you but u were busy and phone was ringing.
U are right and we can look for some other time may be next week sometime.
will you post it here when can you be available for one and same forum and then i would put some print on super valu and other places about this meeting,
at the moment i am going to send a PM to all of the forum members.
Regards

AC


Lads

we should wait for Joe as he will be a good help in link in putting ideas on paper, so let not make it on 31st and wait for Joe's invitation in the same forum and sorry for hassle if u had any.
cheers
D

joetighe

Hi Folks,
Upstairs in O'Briens Restaurant, Johnstown Vilage, Navan is confirmed for 8:00pm on Thursday 7th April, for a meeting to discuss the Group Broadband Scheme for areas in Meath without Broadband, and for areas not fully serviced with broadband.

This meeting is of interest to all residents of Meath and not just Johnstown residents.

I will discuss details of the scheme as detailed below ;

The Department of Communications, Marine and Natural Resources are providing up to 28% funding to Internet Service Providers to provide broadband internet access to towns, villages, townlands, hinterlands in Co. Meath under the County & Group Broadband Scheme (CGBS).

Broadband Internet access provides access to the Internet at approx. 10-20 times the speed of current dial-up access. This provides massive advantage to home-users, students of all levels, businesses and for attracting new business to an area. Broadband Internet access is part of the telecommunications infrastructure essential in this information age.


“So how do I get Broadband in my area”

Contact the Co-ordinator and identify the need for broadband. A list of 25 (minimum) potential broadband subscribers must be put together by the community or Internet company.
The Co-ordinator has a list of relevant Internet companies to choose from.
Internet company/community puts an application for funding together, verifies it with the Co-ordinator and submits the application to the Department of Communications, Marine and Natural Resources.
Application is approved by the Dept. (within 4 weeks) and broadband service is implemented.
The current round for funding applications closes 28th April 2005.

Contact: Regional Co-ordinator - Mr. Joe Tighe, Meath County Council, County Hall, Navan, Co. Meath.
Tel: 046/9021581 ext. 491
Email: Jtighe@meathcoco.ie

Public Information Meetings open to all residends in Meath without Broadband Internet Access.

joetighe

Hi,
can locals confirm what local advertising has been done or planned for this meeting on Thursday.
I have places ads in the weekender and chronicle and will also contact lmfm.
Posters/flyers need to be placed in the Johnstown area, by those promoting the meeting.
Regards,

Joe Tighe,
Regional Co-ordinator,
jtighe@meathcoco.ie,
046 9021581 x 491

heffo9

i have put a few flyers up in local shops

caze

This is great, I'm coming off the Kilcarn exchange in athlumney abbey and could not believe that such a new exchange in such a high population area was not broadband enabled from the start. I'll go the meeting and knock on a few neighbours doors to see if I can drag any of them along also.

Crumble

Letter sent to LMFM to perhaps get a mention.


Dear Mr. Farrelly / News Team.

I writing on behalf of the Johnstown Communtiy. As a group we are trying to highlight the fact that an area of Navan with some 1500 homes is not serviced by Broadband. A meeting has been organised in O'Dwyers Restaurant, Johnstown Village @8pm on Thursday 7th April. We would appreciate any publicity that you could provide us with, even if this only amounts to a mention of the meeting taking place. The more people that attend the meeting the sooner the Broadband companies will offer us a service. We wish all those interested in recieving broadband to attend this meeting.

I can be contacted on 086 8246121 if you need to clarify anything.

Please see below an open letter from Joe Tighe., Meath County Council, who will be chairing the meeting.

Many thanks for your assistance in this pressing matter.


Sean Cooke.

---

open letter to Broadband forum on www.boards.ie ----

Hi All,
Upstairs in O'Briens Restaurant, Johnstown Vilage, Navan is confirmed for 8:00pm on Thursday 7th April, for a meeting to discuss the Group Broadband Scheme for areas in Meath without Broadband, and for areas not fully serviced with broadband.

This meeting is of interest to all residents of Meath and not just Johnstown residents.

I will discuss details of the scheme as detailed below ;

The Department of Communications, Marine and Natural Resources are providing up to 28% funding to Internet Service Providers to provide broadband internet access to towns, villages, townlands, hinterlands in Co. Meath under the County & Group Broadband Scheme (CGBS).

Broadband Internet access provides access to the Internet at approx. 10-20 times the speed of current dial-up access. This provides massive advantage to home-users, students of all levels, businesses and for attracting new business to an area. Broadband Internet access is part of the telecommunications infrastructure essential in this information age.


“So how do I get Broadband in my area”

Contact the Co-ordinator and identify the need for broadband. A list of 25 (minimum) potential broadband subscribers must be put together by the community or Internet company.
The Co-ordinator has a list of relevant Internet companies to choose from.
Internet company/community puts an application for funding together, verifies it with the Co-ordinator and submits the application to the Department of Communications, Marine and Natural Resources.
Application is approved by the Dept. (within 4 weeks) and broadband service is implemented.
The current round for funding applications closes 28th April 2005.

Contact: Regional Co-ordinator - Mr. Joe Tighe, Meath County Council, County Hall, Navan, Co. Meath.
Tel: 046/9021581 ext. 491
Email: Jtighe@meathcoco.ie

Public Information Meetings open to all residends in Meath without Broadband Internet Access.

joetighe

to correct the above message,
the venue as previously posted is O'Briens restuarant (upstairs) at 8:00 pm, Johnstown Village, not O'Dwyers pub.

Regards,
Joe Tighe,
Regional Broadband Co-ordinator,
jtighe@meathcoco.ie

ASTRACLUB

Joe

Hi

I have put flyers at the following location:--

SUPERVALUE NOTICE BOARDS,,
BUS STOP IN FRONT OF SUPERVALUE,,,
MACE(KENTSTOWN ROAD, THE ONE WITH PETROL PUMP),,,
BUS STOP IN FRONT OF OLD BRIDGE INN on N3,,,
MACE in JOHNSTOWN VILLAGE,,,
SHOP IN FRONT OF JOHNSTOWN VILLAGE,,,,
PHARMACY IN JOHNSTOWN VILLAGE,,,,
MOVIE RENT SHOP IN ODWERS PUB CAMPUS,,,,
OFF LICENSE IN SAME CAMPUS,,,,
COMMUNICATED TO BAILIS DOWNS RESIDENCE ASSOCIATIONS CHAIRMAN,,,, AND SHE WILL COMMUNICATE TO OTHER MEMBERS.,,,,

HOPE TO SEE YOU ALL

CHEERS

DIVYA

ASTRACLUB

Crumble

The Meeting Is At O'brians Restaurent In Johnstown Village Near Health Centre And Not At O'dwyers.
Hope Lmfm Lads Are Informed About This.

Cheers


Div

Crumble

ASTRACLUB wrote:

Crumble

The Meeting Is At O'brians Restaurent In Johnstown Village Near Health Centre And Not At O'dwyers.
Hope Lmfm Lads Are Informed About This.

Cheers


Div

Yep realised my mistake the minute I posted! Rang them first thing in the morning to let them know the screw up... thats what happens when you start sending of emails and posts late at night....

They said that it would get a mention but I dont know if it did... I confess I dont listen to LMFM much.

Crumble

First of all, thanks to Joe for turning up on the night and giving a good presentation of what the group broadband scheme is all about.

Well-done Joe. Also thanks to the lads from Tarawan and the chap from Digiweb for giving us an insight to what they can possibly offer us in the way of a wireless BB service.

I have created a mailing list from the details collected at the meeting and have sent everyone on it an introductory message.

Personally I think the next thing we should be doing is going all out to collect as many names of interested parties as possible.

I took a number of posters on the night and intend to get them up wherever I can.

Lets get some feedback through here and see where we should be going from here. It would make sense to organise ourselves if we want to succeed at this endeavour so all volunteers should make themselves known now.

What are your thoughts on it all guys, lets here some feedback!!!