Happy with the number of immigrants in Ireland?

Teneka

Question in the title.

aidan_walsh

I'm not happy with your post.

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Cool Cat

Ok I'm going to be called a racist for this... but I think we are over run!!!!

Teneka

Doodle...


Apologies. No, I am not happy. And I don't think I'm alone. For the person who said 'we are over run' and feels he might be called a racist? Why would you be. Where is there a hit of racism in that. Don't be afraid of what the 'politically correct' might say.

pete

Yes.

Next?

sceptre

I'd like an actual opinion that might lead to a discussion from the original poster rather than a simple "no I'm not happy", given that this isn't a chat room. You've got a day to give one, as per custom.

Teneka

Okay,

I'm not happy with the current policy. It needs changing. It doesn't need our representatives going to China and so on, seeking to bring more students over here.

Why do people feel it is our 'duty' to help these asylum seekers? Is it not our duty to help our own nation? The old and the sick need special attention.

Walk the streets of Dublin tomorrow and you'll see. Multiculturism is for the worse. The BNP have the right approach to tackling this problem. Did you know that Asylum seekers, illegeal or not, still get 3 meals a day and a weekly wage?

pete

Teneka wrote:

Did you know that Asylum seekers, illegeal or not, still get 3 meals a day and a weekly wage?

Can i be the first to say: "Source, please!"

edit:

also - which policy, specifically?

Do you mean students or do you mean immigrants?

Why is multiculturalism "for the worse"?

Why are the BNP correct?

etc etc

KdjaCL

Are foreign countries overrun with irish workers?

I always wonder this , we been mvoing abroad for years to work illegally yet its ok, but when it happens us its not ok.

Never understood that

kdjac

Teneka

The BNP have the right approach. Thats what I said.


Stats

MrPudding

I'm not happy. I think we need more.

Did you know they also get free houses and sh1t cars Pete?

MrP

Nuttzz

So long as people come to work we should welcome them, its the spongers that we dont want. If someone applies for asylum they should be given permission to work while their application is been processed. its better haviving them contribute to the state than living off it. This of course begs the question, how can immigrants get jobs yet our so called long term unemployed cant.

pete

Teneka wrote:

The BNP have the right approach. Thats what I said.

And that approach would be.....?

Stats

No it isn't.

Teneka

Are foreign countries overrun with irish workers?

How many Irish set up shop in African countries or China etc?

pete

I'm guessing this isn't what you mean by "set up shop"?

aidan_walsh

Teneka wrote:

How many Irish set up shop in African countries or China etc?

Or England, America or Austrialia? :rolleyes:

Teneka

Pete,

You actually have to click the link you know.


"Your accommodation is full board, which includes bed, breakfast, lunch, and evening meal.

Each adult will receive a personal allowance of 19.05 euro per week and 9.52 euro for each child plus child benefit. Your local Community Welfare Officer (CWO) will advise you on how to apply for child benefit"

pete

Teneka wrote:

Pete,

You actually have to click the link you know.


"Your accommodation is full board, which includes bed, breakfast, lunch, and evening meal.

Each adult will receive a personal allowance of 19.05 euro per week and 9.52 euro for each child plus child benefit. Your local Community Welfare Officer (CWO) will advise you on how to apply for child benefit"

I'm also guessing you don't know the difference between an asylum seeker, a refugee and an illegal immigrant. How surprising.

therecklessone

Teneka wrote:

Okay,

I'm not happy with the current policy. It needs changing. It doesn't need our representatives going to China and so on, seeking to bring more students over here.

Chinese students are not asylum seekers.

Teneka wrote:

Why do people feel it is our 'duty' to help these asylum seekers?

Because we are signatories to the 1948 Universal Declaration of Human Rights?

Everyone has the right to seek and to enjoy in other countries asylum from persecution.

[edit]our accession to the UN came in 1955[/edit]

Through its accession to the United Nations on 14 December 1955, Ireland accepted the Purposes and Principles of the Charter and the moral force of the Universal Declaration

Source

Teneka wrote:

The BNP have the right approach to tackling this problem.

The BNP are a bunch of frustrated thugs who rather than choosing constructive engagement in society to address social problems instead blame the outsider, in this case immigrants. That is not the right approach.

Teneka wrote:

Did you know that Asylum seekers, illegeal or not, still get 3 meals a day and a weekly wage?

Did you know that the validity of an asylum seekers claim cannot be established without some assessment? Did you know that until that assessment is completed, the legality or lack thereof cannot be determined?

Are you suggesting that we do not provide the basic requirements for survival (you know, food and shelter, those sort of luxuries...) to asylum seekers?

Miguel_Sanchez

Teneka wrote:

How many Irish set up shop in African countries or China etc?

Why does it have to African countries or China? Millions of Irish have gone to American, Australia, England over the years and 'set up shop' as you put it.

Do you think it doesn't count because we're white?

Miguel_Sanchez

Teneka wrote:

"Your accommodation is full board, which includes bed, breakfast, lunch, and evening meal.

Each adult will receive a personal allowance of 19.05 euro per week and 9.52 euro for each child plus child benefit. Your local Community Welfare Officer (CWO) will advise you on how to apply for child benefit"

Oh Good Lord. A whole 19 euro a week? My God - no wonder they all live in mansions and have gold-plated feet.

What's your problem with people wanting to come to our country and work and maybe make a better life for themselves and their families? The Irish been doing it for centuries.

Teneka

Haha

Knew someone would bring up the 'years ago' thing

Chinese students are not asylum seekers.

Em, never said they were but thanks for putting words in my mouth.

Did you know that the validity of an asylum seekers claim cannot be established without some assessment? Did you know that until that assessment is completed, the legality or lack thereof cannot be determined?

I know, thats where the money goes.

Are you suggesting that we do not provide the basic requirements for survival (you know, food and shelter, those sort of luxuries...) to asylum seekers?

No, I suggest we send them back to their respective homeplace.

pete

Teneka wrote:

Em, never said they were but thanks for putting words in my mouth.

So... you're saying chinese students, who are over here paying for an education, should be kicked out? Any particular reason, other than they're chinese?

No, I suggest we send them back to their respective homeplace.

You know... i never would have guess that would be your suggested solution. Not in a million years.

elivsvonchiaing

I clicked on that link (BNP / oasis.gov.ie)and got the following:"
Date modified:
2002-11-14

Date created:
2001-03-19"

Anyone know if this is all still true? I would have my doubts tbh!

Miguel_Sanchez

I should not rise to trolls like this idiot.

As for the 'years ago' thing you speak of. Why does it make a difference if we flooded into American one hundred years ago or last year? We still did it and weren't 'sent back where we came from'.

Man I hate racists.

elivsvonchiaing

pete wrote:

So... you're saying chinese students, who are over here paying for an education, should be kicked out? Any particular reason, other than they're chinese?

I'd also like to point out - they pay ridiculous fees for their education being non-europeans!

therecklessone

Teneka wrote:

Em, never said they were but thanks for putting words in my mouth.

I prefer straight from the horse's mouth. You're own words:

Teneka wrote:

It doesn't need our representatives going to China and so on, seeking to bring more students over here.

Why do people feel it is our 'duty' to help these asylum seekers?

Teneka wrote:

I know, thats where the money goes.

1948. Universal Declaration of Human Rights. Obligations.

Join the dots.

Teneka wrote:

No, I suggest we send them back to their respective homeplace.

See above.

Teneka

Man I hate racists

???

Good to know. Now that you think you're 'tough' by bring that out etc...care to elaborate?

I'd also like to point out - they pay ridiculous fees for their education being non-europeans!

True enough. A chinese lad in my class pays high fees. As does my flatmate.

pete

Teneka wrote:

???

Good to know. Now that you think you're 'tough' by bring that out etc...care to elaborate?



True enough. A chinese lad in my class pays high fees. As does my flatmate.

i think you missed a few questions back up the page there.

off you go.

Miguel_Sanchez

Teneka wrote:

???

Good to know. Now that you think you're 'tough' by bring that out etc...care to elaborate?

Ha. It doesn't make me tough little man. I was merely stating that I hate racists, like yourself.

Elaborate you say? Okay.

I hate the twisted logic racists use to try and convince themselves that their points are valid when it fact they are just in denial that they are race haters.
I hate the sneering look they have on their face as they spout their bigoted rhetoric. I hate the way they preface their vile opinions with "I'm not a racist but..."

I hate them so much that it makes me laugh. I am a racistist.

Face it - you are a racist.

Teneka

Poor Pete...

So... you're saying chinese students, who are over here paying for an education, should be kicked out? Any particular reason, other than they're chinese?

The reason is because I'm against multiculturalism. Nothing too complicated for you there Pete?

aidan_walsh

Including or excluding EU citizens? Because so far you seem quite content to pick on Asian or African people, but none others...

Miguel_Sanchez

doodle_sketch wrote:

Including or excluding EU citizens? Because so far you seem quite content to pick on Asian or African people, but none others...

That's because they're only a problem if they have different colour skin. Man - is Teneka not explaining his extremely well thought out points well enough for you?

Teneka

Face it - you are a racist

Wrong.

A racist, in my eyes, has a strong hatred for other races. Me? I do not. I know some Chinese (just taking this as an example) folk in college. For me, their life is to be lived in China - something which they (ones I speak to) intend to do once they recieve their degree.



Plus, take back that comment. Doesn't bode well for you.

GuanYin

Teneka wrote:

Okay,

I'm not happy with the current policy. It needs changing. It doesn't need our representatives going to China and so on, seeking to bring more students over here.

They went to China to foster business relations which basically means sending trade over there.

As for the students, if you took every asian student away from the college system we'd have to bring back fees amounting to twice what they were and half the intake of students. To put simply foreign students fund our colleges.

Smart thinking there batman :Rolleyes:

approach to tackling this problem. Did you know that Asylum seekers, illegeal or not, still get 3 meals a day and a weekly wage?

and you think people should be let starve and rot in poverty?


My god, why do you guys come over here in the pretense of rational debate? Why can't you come in and say "Hi, I'm from <insert radical white supremecy group here> and we're looking to recruit racists, biggots and other similar minded drones for our hate crusades. If you feel you are up to the task and don't mind terrorising children, setting crosses on fire, or reciting rhetoric without understanding it, sign up today.....

It would make the whole thing easier and we wouldn't have to spend the first two pages of a thread uncovering you.

Miguel_Sanchez

Teneka wrote:

Wrong.

A racist, IN MY EYES, has a strong hatred for other races. Me? I do not.

Plus, take back that comment. Doesn't bode well for you.

In your eyes you're not a racist. However in everyone else's eyes you are.

Take back the comment? Hmmmmm..... No.

I think I'll just reiterate it.

You are a racist.

I'm not quite sure how it doesn't bode well for me? Are you going to hunt me down and force me to apologise?

Teneka

It's funny how you all come on here trying to be the hot shot. One person answered the question asked, albeit briefly.

Start a new thread if you want another debate, but answer the question.

therecklessone

Teneka wrote:

Plus, take back that comment. Doesn't bode well for you.

Expand on that please. Is it a threat?

elivsvonchiaing

Jeff_Lebowski wrote:

That's because they're only a problem if they have different colour skin. Man - is Teneka not explaining his extremely well thought out points well enough for you?

Seems perfectly clear to me: he's no racist. Just a skin-tonist!

therecklessone

Teneka wrote:

It's funny how you all come on here trying to be the hot shot. One person answered the question asked, albeit briefly.

Start a new thread if you want another debate, but answer the question.

I'm more than happy with the number of immigrants in Ireland. I'll gladly take more.

Miguel_Sanchez

Teneka wrote:

It's funny how you all come on here trying to be the hot shot. One person answered the question asked, albeit briefly.

Start a new thread if you want another debate, but answer the question.

Apologies. It must be pretty confusing as to which side of the argument I am on.

I am happy with the number of immigrants in Ireland. I think they should be given work permits.

As for not answering questions - you seem to be avoiding quite a number yourself ya little scamp.

Teneka

Expand on that please. Is it a threat?

A threat? Haha, you guys are great. Left wing all the way.

There's not too much to expand on, simply making false accusations isn't a pleasant sight.

GuanYin

Jeff_Lebowski wrote:

In your eyes you're not a racist. However in everyone else's eyes you are.

Take back the comment? Hmmmmm..... No.

I think I'll just reiterate it.

You are a racist.

I'm not quite sure how it doesn't bode well for me? Are you going to hunt me down and force me to apologise?

Careful now he sounds like a.....

Teneka

I'm more than happy with the number of immigrants in Ireland. I'll gladly take more

You'll gladly take more???

billy the squid

A racist, in my eyes, has a strong hatred for other races. Me? I do not. I know some Chinese (just taking this as an example) folk in college. For me, their life is to be lived in China - something which they (ones I speak to) intend to do once they recieve their degree.

why should they not be allowed to live in this country. If a person from china wants to bring a business idea that is common in china and sell it to the people of ireland, then he is more than welcome to come to ireland and do business.

personally I think anyone who is against multiculturalism, is an idiot, racist and xenophobe.

you havent addressed the issue of irish in america austrailia and the UK.

aidan_walsh

Ok, personally I think that since the OP has long forgotten that he wants a "debate on the points raised" and is instead quite happy to attempt to dodge questions and resort to general insults, I feel quite comfortable in declaring Teneka a troll, and recommending closure.

Miguel_Sanchez

Teneka wrote:

A threat? Haha, you guys are great. Left wing all the way.

There's not too much to expand on, simply making false accusations isn't a pleasant sight.

What you meant to say then is it doesn't reflect well on me not that it doesn't bode well for me which implies a threat.

I bet you think we should send all gays and lesbians back where they came from too. (Lesbania?)

Answer the questions you were asked you loveable rogue.

therecklessone

Teneka wrote:

A threat? Haha, you guys are great. Left wing all the way.

Straight from the horse's mouth mkII.

Teneka wrote:

thanks for putting words in my mouth

Don't presume you know my politics because of one thread dealing with one issue.

therecklessone

Teneka wrote:

You'll gladly take more???

I say again for clarity or emphasis:

I'll gladly take more.

That clear enough?

Miguel_Sanchez

Teneka wrote:

You'll gladly take more???

He gladly will. The man stated it. You read it. Is there confusion here?

GuanYin

I know I'm not taking this thread or poster seriously (mainly cos he hasn't even tried to debate the issue) but I for one say

Yes bring in as many as possible, if nothing else it'll improve the food.