Volunteers wanted for Creating OECD Broadband Price Table

damien

I'm looking for a few people to volunteer some time to create pricing tables for the list of the EU-15 countries and the 30 OECD countries.

What I require is the cost of broadband packages in each country. I need links to each of the products too so that we can go back and check for updated prices every so often. The broadband products must be equivalent to the packages in Ireland - so 512k minimum. Obviously we'd be looking for the cheapest packages, but post whatever ones you find. If you find the website for each countries regulator (if they have one) post the URL for that too.

If you any suggestions about the structure of the tables please let me know.

Here are the list of EU-15 countries followed by the OECD countries

Eu-15 Countries

* Austria
* Belgium
* Denmark
* Finland
* France
* Germany
* Greece
* Ireland
* Italy
* Luxembourg
* The Netherlands
* Portugal
* Spain
* Sweden
* United Kingdom

OECD Countries
Australia
Austria
Belgium
Canada
Czech Republic
Denmark
Finland
France
Germany
Greece
Hungary
Iceland
Ireland
Italy
Japan
Korea
Luxembourg
Mexico
Netherlands
New Zealand
Norway
Poland
Portugal
Slovak Republic
Spain
Sweden
Switzerland
Turkey
United Kingdom
United States


List of dsl providers in EU-15 countries ( taken from here)


Austria List of ISPs provided by Austrian ISP Association
Telekom Austria
UTA Telekom AG, Netway (merged)

Belgium List of ISPs provided by Belgian ISP Association
Belgacom Skynet
Tiscali

Denmark List of ISP provided by the Danish Telecoms regulator
TDC
Tele2

Finland List of ISP provided by Finnish Telecoms regulator
Sonera
Elisa Internet Oy

France Information provided by the French regulator
France Telecom - Wanadoo
AOL

Germany Information provided by ISPs
T-Online
Freenet

Greece Information provided by the Greek Telecoms regulator
Otenet
Forthnet

Ireland Information provided by the national regulator
Eircom
Esat

Italy Information provided by the Italian ISPA, AIIP.
Telecom Italia Network (TIN)
WIND (Libero/Italia Online)

Luxembourg Information provided by the ISPA Luxembourg
P&T Luxembourg
Luxembourg Online

Netherlands Information provided by the national regulator
KPN, divided into
- Planet Internet
- Het Net
Zonnet

Portugal
Information provided by National regulator and Reportium XXI Consulting
Media Capital Multimedia
Telepac

Spain List of ISPs confirmed by the Spanish regulator and other sources
Terra
Wanadoo España

Sweden List of ISPs provided by Swedish Telecoms regulator
Telia Sonera
Tele2

UK List of subscribers provided by ISP Review
Freeserve
BT Openworld

Non-EU

Iceland List of ISPs provided by Icelandic Telecoms regulator
Íslandssími
Og Vodafone

Norway List of ISPs provided by the Norwegian Telecoms regulator
Telenor
Tele2 Norge

MadKevo

Some info for Netherlands where I live:

Regulator site (in English, helpfully): http://www.opta.nl/asp/en/

ADSL situation: providers either use the KPN wholesale service or provide their own networks (full or partial LLU). For consumer ADSL there appears to be KPN, Tiscali Wholesale/BaByXL or bbned
However, Tiscali retail also wholesale KPN's service.

Some sample packages and links (plus suggested fields for table). will edit if any other fields are suggested by others.
Have chosen packages which approach 512 kbps downstream speed mapping (kinda) to the R-ADSL packages in Ireland. Please chose if you want these or not.

A good service provider rating website at: www.speedtest.nl with provider/package inforamtion there at: http://www.speedtest.nl/Provider/

Internet Provider: Tiscali
ADSL Network: Tiscali Wholesale/BaByXL
Product Name: ADSL Start
Per month (Euro, excl introductory offers): 19.95
Downstream Speed (kbps): 768
Upstream Speed (kbps): 128
Datalimit (GB/month): Fair Usage Policy
Fixed IP: No
Protocol (ETHoA/PPPoA/PPPoE): ETHoA [DHCP on assigned MAC Address (of USB modem)]
Product Link: http://www.tiscali.nl/producten/adsl/start.asp?rnaam=&mediacode=&retailercode=&activationcode=
Webspace (MB): 50
Email mailboxes: 5
Mailbox size (MB): 50
Email accounts/aliases: 25
Contract: 1 Year, renewed for a year at a time.
Incl. Modem: USB
Connection Charge: N/A
Other features: 10 free SMS messages per day

Internet Provider: Speedlinq
ADSL Network: bbned
Product Name: X-tra 512
Per month (Euro, excl introductory offers): 22.50
Downstream Speed (kbps): 512
Upstream Speed (kbps): 256
Datalimit (GB/month): Fair Usage Policy
Fixed IP: Yes
Protocol (ETHoA/PPPoA/PPPoE): ?
Product Link: http://www.speedlinq.nl/php/product.php
Webspace (MB): 20
Email mailboxes: 1
Mailbox size (MB): 20
Email accounts/aliases: 1
Contract: 1 Year, renewed for a year at a time.
Incl. Modem: USB or Ethernet (single PC)
Connection Charge: N/A
Other features:

Internet Provider: Speedlinq
ADSL Network: Tiscali Wholesale/BaByXL
Product Name: All-in 1024
Per month (Euro, excl introductory offers): 25.00
Downstream Speed (kbps): 1024
Upstream Speed (kbps): 512
Datalimit (GB/month): Fair Usage Policy
Fixed IP: Yes
Protocol (ETHoA/PPPoA/PPPoE): ?
Product Link: http://www.speedlinq.nl/php/product.php
Webspace (MB): 20
Email mailboxes: 1
Mailbox size (MB): 20
Email accounts/aliases: 1
Contract: 1 Year, renewed for a year at a time.
Incl. Modem: USB
Connection Charge: N/A
Other features:


Internet Provider: KPN
ADSL Network: KPN
Product Name: ADSL Lite
Per month (Euro, excl introductory offers): 21.95
Downstream Speed (kbps): 416
Upstream Speed (kbps): 160
Datalimit (GB/month): 1.5
Fixed IP: No
Protocol (ETHoA/PPPoA/PPPoE): PPPoA [KPN]
Product Link: http://www.kpn.com/kpn/show/id=328616/sc=6ea62a
Webspace (MB): N/A
Email mailboxes: N/A
Mailbox size (MB): N/A
Email accounts/aliases: N/A
Contract: 1 Year, renewed for a year at a time.
Incl. Modem: USB
Connection Charge: N/A
Other features: Direct ADSL = IP pipe only, no email etc

Drapper

€10 per month 600kps up 2.5meg down. No Limit.

Blaster99

Sweden. I suspect you won't find these links very useful. I've converted to euro. Be sure to sit down when you see the products available in Sweden. I've specified speeds in kilobit so 1024 is 1Mbps etc. All prices per month. Contention ratios don't appear to be advertised.

Adamo Bredband ADSL: http://www.adamobredband.com
ADSL 8192/1024: €33pm
ADSL2+ 28672/1024: €38pm (available up to 3.5km's from exchange)

Universal Telecom: http://www.uvtc.com/timepiece/sweden/adsl/adsl.asp?jezik=swedish
ADSL 256/128: €19
ADSL 8192/1024: €30
ADSL2+ 28672/1024: €38

Rix Telecom: http://www.rixtelecom.se/generate.php?sid=26&r=m
ADSL 512/unspecified: €32
ADSL 8192/unspecified: €37

Tele2: http://www.tele2.se
ADSL 512/512: €32
ADSL 8192/716: €37
Cable 512/128: €27
Stadsnät (fibre connected apartment blocks) 10240/10240: €21

Vattenfall: http://www.vattenfall.se/privat/vara_tjanster/bredband/index.asp
ADSL: 8192/unspecified: €43

Bredbandsbolaget: http://www.bredbandsbolaget.com/se/product_bredband.jsp?t=2&s=3&m=14
ADSL 8192/1024: €44
VDSL 12288/9216: €44
Fibre 10240/10240: €35
Fibre 102400/102400 (100Mbps!): €65

Telia: http://www.telia.se
ADSL 256/64: €31
ADSL 512/410: €37
ADSL 2048/410: €46
ADSL 8192/820: €49
ADSL2+ 28672/1024: €49

I don't know who the regulator is. The market seems to be working quite well all by itself... There are a few others in the market too, but the above is representative.

<edit>
As per eircomtrib's message pointing to the Swedish regulator, you can see a table of the entire Swedish market here: http://hosting.ibitec.se/pts/PriceListDisplay.aspx?ServiceType=8

The third column is price pm (multiply by 0.11 for euro), fourth column is speed down, fifth column is speed up, sixth column is technology.
</edit>

eircomtribunal

damien.m wrote:

The broadband products must be equivalent to the packages in Ireland - so 512k minimum. Obviously we'd be looking for the cheapest packages, but post whatever ones you find. If you find the website for each countries regulator (if they have one) post the URL for that too.

If you any suggestions about the structure of the tables please let me know.

A link to the EU regulators is on this page: http://www.chaltel.com/Policy_Regulation/Electronic_Communications_Policy/electronic_communications_policy.htm


In my experience this is not an easy project.

Forfas had a comparison in their latest broadband report, done for a lot of money by a consultancy, and it was crap, nothing but utterly misleading and incorrect crap. But still worth a look, to see how they did it.

To compare other countries 512 kbs offers is inherently flawed, as they are now moving to "real" broadband. Note: 2 Mb is quickly becoming the new standard for broadband.

[edit] From blaster99: "Rix Telecom: http://www.rixtelecom.se/generate.php?sid=26&r=m
ADSL 512/unspecified: €32
ADSL 8192/unspecified: €37"
Comparing the 512 pricing would not show the true disadvantage the Irish broadband customer experiences vs Sweden [end of edit]

Integrating volume caps is not easy.

I do not want to poor cold water onto the project, just offering a few thoughts.

One method of getting a quick picture is to look up the Tiscali websites of all the countries. Tiscali are not the cheapest though.

P.

damien

To compare other countries 512 kbs offers is inherently flawed, as they are now moving to "real" broadband.

Ah, maybe I should have been clearer. I meant miniumum 512k broadband connection. I noticed some "broadband" connections were 256k down for some countries, I didn't want to use their prices and later be called out on it. All the better if the other countries have higher speeds as their basic packages.

What I want is an almost live European pricing list so the next time McRedmond states eircom's broadband is cheaper than the european average we can supply the most up to date price comparison list around and show the actual truth.

Our man in Havana

Internet Provider: AOL UK
ADSL Network: AOL UK
Product Name: Broadband Gold
Per month (Euro, excl introductory offers): 40
Downstream Speed (kbps): 512
Upstream Speed (kbps): 256
Datalimit (GB/month): Unlimited
Fixed IP: No
Protocol (ETHoA/PPPoA/PPPoE): PPPoE (PPPoA being phased out)
Product Link: http://www.aol.co.uk/broadband
Webspace (MB): N/A
Email mailboxes: 7
Mailbox size (MB): 100mb
Email accounts/aliases: 7
Contract: 1 Year, then monthly.
Incl. Modem: USB
Connection Charge: N/A
Other features: Dedicated Broadband content

Raskolnikov

It's worth noting that cable is predominant in parts of Canada and often available for cheaper than the DSL products. Bell Sympatico are the largest DSL operator in Canada by far with control of about 50% of the market.

Bell:

3Mbps download/0.8Mbps upload
Unlimited Cap
10 Hrs Free Dialup access just incase your DSL goes down
11 e-mail addresses
5Mb web space
Free technical support
Free setup and free modem

Pricing: Free for the first month
€15.61 for the next 6 months
€28.13 for every month after that

If you live in the French speaking part of Canada (Quebec), then DSL is €15.61 all the time.

AndrewMc

damien.m wrote:

Ah, maybe I should have been clearer. I meant miniumum 512k broadband connection. I noticed some "broadband" connections were 256k down for some countries, I didn't want to use their prices and later be called out on it. All the better if the other countries have higher speeds as their basic packages.

What I want is an almost live European pricing list so the next time McRedmond states eircom's broadband is cheaper than the european average we can supply the most up to date price comparison list around and show the actual truth.

Might it be useful to compare like-for-like using the price? Some of the listed 512kb services are only a few euro less than 2-8Mb services. If you said "Eircom charge E40 for 512kb, but here's what E40 would get you in other countries...", it might have a good impact, too.

Blaster99

The Danes don't have it so good, though. Multiply DKR with 0.134 to get euro. Uncapped unless stated otherwise.

TDC: http://privat.tdc.dk/artikel.php?dogtag=tdc_p_int_bre_priser
ADSL 256/128: €19 + 7c/MByte
ADSL 512/128: €48
ADSL 1024/256: €60
ADSL 2048/256: €80

Tiscali: http://www.tiscali.dk/consumer/adsl/?PHPSESSID=27bdfcb18ae66b87ea8fdb059f7d0834
ADSL 512/128: €47
ADSL 512/512: €64
ADSL 2048/512: €91

Telia: http://www.stofa.dk/showpage.php?conid=45&menuid=75&parentid=4
ADSL 1024/256 25GB cap: €53
ADSL 2048/256 25GB cap: €67

eircomtribunal

Blaster99 wrote:

The Danes don't have it so good, though.

The higher speed and uncapped products are substantially cheaper than our offers.

An additional factor that does not appear in this comparison is the fact that Danish line rental is over €8 less than ours.(at €15.66 compared to our €24.18)

Even the 256 kbs offer at 19€ compares very well with our 30€ socalled flatrate (150 prepaid dial up hours).

But you really have to relate the prices to income levels to get a valid comparison, like they did in this International Telecommunication Union chart (which by the way is not a Union, but a UN body), see right column:
P.

Blaster99

Assuming we haven't given up on this endevour, to keep it rolling I'm going to give the German speaking countries a shot next and then Norway. Just remind me what the story is in Germany. I seem to recall there's a scheme where you pay Deutsche Telekom some monthly fee for ADSL provision and then a small sum to the actual provider. Did I get that right?

Another thing. I've quoted all prices above, to the best of my knowledge, inc VAT. Obviously VAT rates vary and certainly North American prices don't include any sales tax at all. I think both Swedish and Danish VAT is 25% for instance, so the situation is even less in Ireland's favour. Please advise.

damien

Keep going Blaster. It's appreciated.

eircomtribunal

Blaster99 wrote:

Just remind me what the story is in Germany. I seem to recall there's a scheme where you pay Deutsche Telekom some monthly fee for ADSL provision and then a small sum to the actual provider. Did I get that right?

(As long as you are not with a provider that works via LLU you are correct - while there is a lot of LLU, those services would not be available nation-wide, mostly restricted to cities; but things are expected to change with the incumbent under pressure to simplify LLU access). In order to avail of dsl you have to upgrade your line rental to either 1, 2 or 3 Mb capability with the incumbent Deutsche Telekom. Then you choose one of many ISP's for the dsl service you want – they start with €0 for capped packages. To make things even more complicated there are volume capped, time capped and uncapped products on offer.

P.

damien

*bump*

Blaster99

I'm still planning to contribute, just very busy right now. I'll get back to it over the next couple of days.

damien

Blaster, I was just getting this thread near the top again. Wasn't pressuring you. All your help is appreciated.

Meanwhile dear viewers a very up to date stat shows even with our growth rates we're still 2nd last in Europe: http://www.strategyanalytics.com/press/PR00143.htm

eircomtribunal

damien.m wrote:

Meanwhile dear viewers a very up to date stat shows even with our growth rates we're still 2nd last in Europe: http://www.strategyanalytics.com/press/PR00143.htm

No wonder the politicians and the media get the figures wrong, when those "specialists" do not take care.


Our household broadband penetration was not at 10% by end 2004. 2/3 of the Eircom dsl connections are for business and are not residential broadband connections, not household connections. With around 50 000 residential connections at the highest by end 2004 we'd have a household penetration of below 4%.

But probably the figures for the other countries were got in the same incorrect way, meaning the comparative impression of the chart would probably be all right.

P.

Cryos

Just before i go on about these tarrifs, it seems that like your mobile phone you can have different tarrifs on your DSL Line.

T-Online have a different approach to dsl, instead of just buying by the connection speed you buy by either the amount of trasferes a month or time, a dsl standard connetion is required as these tarriffs and time do not include buying a dsl line and equipment.

List of Tarriffs:
T-DSL Flat 1000 (This is your Line speed at 1024kbit/s Downstream 256**kbit/s Upstream Presumed)
T-DSL Flat 2000 (This is your Line speed at 2048kbit/s Downstream 384kbit/s Upstream)
T-DSL Flat 3000 (This is your Line speed at 3072kbit/s Downstream 512kbit/s Upstream)
T-DSL 1500MB (Your DSL Package 1500mb a month, Requires DSL Line)
T-DSL 3000MB (Your DSL Package 3000mb a month Requires DSL Line)
T-DSL 6000MB (Your DSL Package 6000mb a month Requires DSL Line)
T-DSL Time Tarriff 30 (30 Hours of Surftime a month Requires DSL Line)
T-DSL Time Tarriff 60 (60 Hours of Surftime a month Requires DSL Line)



T-Online Tarrifs

Add On Tarrifs
T-Online DSL 1500mb
€9.95 Per Month
If you exceed 1500mb a month you are charged at 1.59 Cent Per additional MB
Must be Used in Conjunction with either your T-DSL 1000,2000 or 3000.

T-Online DSL 3000mb
€16.95 Per Month
Same Additional Charges as the 1500mb

T-Online DSL 6000mb
€24.95 Per month
Same Additional Charges as the 1500mb

T-Online Flat Rate DSL Packages:

T-DSL Flat 1000 for T-DSL 1000 Connetions
€24.95 Per month
No Bandwith Restrictions
Quoted as ''Internet Fun Without Restrictions"
Self install price €99.00
Speeds upto 1024 kbit/s Downstream
Speeds Presumed at 256 kbit/s Upstream

T-DSL Flat 2000 For T-DSL 2000 Connections
€39.95 Per Month
No Bandwith Restrictions or Throttling
Self Install Price €99.00
Speeds 2048 kbit/s Down
Speeds 384 kbit/s up

T-DSL Flat 3000
€49.95 A Month
No Bandwith Restrictions
Self install @ 99.00
Speeds 3072 down
Speeds 512 up

T-DSL Time Tarriff 30
30 Hours a month (~1 hour a day)
Going over the limit will be 1.59 Cent A minute
Tarriff Usable On all T-DSL 1000,2000 and 3000 Connections
€9.95 Per Month

T-DSL Time Tarriff 60
60 Hours a Month (~2 Hours a day)
Going over the tarrif will be 1.59 Cent a minute
Tarriff Usable on all T-DSL 1000,2000 and 3000 Connetions
€16.95 Per Month

T-DSL Connections:

T-DSL 1000
1024 kbit/s Downspeed
128 kbit/s upspead

€16.95 Per Month

T-DSL 2000
2048 kbit/s Downspeed
192 kbits Upspeed

€19.99 Per Month

T-DSL 3000
3072 kbit/s Downspeed
384 kbit/s Upspeed
€24.95 Per Month

Sounds confusing all of this i know but here is how you would buy your dsl connection:

Buy Your Base Line, so im going for: T-DSL 3000 €24.95 Per Month
Then You buy your package Per Mo: T-DSL Flat 3000 €49.95 Per month
So in total you will fork out this much: €74.90 a month
Add your one time installation fee of : €99.00
And youve got yourself a high speed connection for :€173.90

Freenet operate a simular system

DSL 1000
1024 kbit/s downspeed
No Upstream Speed Mentioned
€15.90

DSL 2000
2048 kbit/s downspeeed
No Upstream Speed Mentioned
€16.99

DSL 3000
3072 kbit/s downspeed
No Upstream Speed Mentioned
€23.90

Then the Packages:


free_1GB € 0 (Not Available)
fun_2GB € 5,90 (2gb month downloads)
power_5GB € 9,90 (5gb month downloads)
flexi € 19,90 (if baught in connection with the dsl 3000 pack is 15gb a month but 49.95 for the two inclusive)
flat_3000 € 48,90 (No Limits What so ever)
iPhone Plus € 2,90 (Voip can be used with any of the above)

Installation Price not mentioned, like the t-dsl packs you have to combine your line and a tarriff

eircomtribunal

Blitz wrote:

And you've got yourself a high speed connection for :€173.90

That's slightly misleading. The one time connection charge should not get mixed into the monthly charges.

Blitz wrote:

Then the Packages:


free_1GB € 0 (Not Available)
fun_2GB € 5,90 (2gb month downloads)
power_5GB € 9,90 (5gb month downloads)
flexi € 19,90 (if baught in connection with the dsl 3000 pack is 15gb a month but 49.95 for the two inclusive)
flat_3000 € 48,90 (No Limits What so ever)
iPhone Plus € 2,90 (Voip can be used with any of the above)

Installation Price not mentioned, like the t-dsl packs you have to combine your line and a tarriff

Of course you can decide not to go with the incumbent, but with a widely available LLU provider like Arcor and pay:

€ 9.95 for a 1 Mb/s dsl line (instead of the €16.99 the incumbent charges) and add on an uncapped ISP package for € 15.90 from Tiscali, no set-up if you subscribe for a year. So you arrive at an overall monthly price for uncapped 1 Mb/s of €25.85.
For capped ISP services you can shop around for packages starting from €0 a month.

Example of list of 1 Mb/s packages is here: http://www.dslweb.de/dsl-flatrate.htm

P.

Cryos

Whats misleading about it, i clearly stated that it was a once off charge, that would be your first month cost, its quiet easaly to see what it would be thereafter eircomtribunal

Gordon

Greece:
OTENet
Conn-x ADSL Access , Activation Fee , Monthly Fee
384 Kbps/ 128 Kbps , 34,99 € , 19,90 €
512 Kbps/ 128 Kbps , 34,99 € , 35,90 €

more info here http://english.oteshop.gr/home/adslconnx.htm


FORTHnet

ADSL Dynamic 1-MONTH* , 3-MONTH , 6-MONTH
ADSL 256 20,90€ , 62,70€(+ 1 month FREE) , 122,40€ (+ 4 months FREE)
ADSL 384 24,90€ , 74,70€ , 143,40€ , 274,80€
ADSL 512 44,90€ , 134,70€ , 260,40€ , 502,80€

http://www.forthnet.gr/templates/corporateProductsDetails.aspx?p=107766

damien

Australia:

BigPond (incumbent)

http://www.bigpond.com/internet-plans/broadband/adsl/
Unlimited* ADSL 512/128 $69.95 = 41.1824 EUR

Dodo:
http://www.dodo.com.au/broadbandplans.html
ADSL 512/128 3GB cap $49.95 = 29.36 EUR

damien

Italia (thanks to Blacknight)

http://www.fastweb.it/principale.php?PAGEST=3_family.php

Up to 10 Mbit on fibre and up to 4 megs down and up to 512kb/s up on DSL

119 euro to get yourself connected
40 a month after that

http://adsl.aruba.it/

€29 / month

640kb/s down
256kb/s up

Jorinn

Blaster99 wrote:

Sweden. I suspect you won't find these links very useful. I've converted to euro. Be sure to sit down when you see the products available in Sweden. I've specified speeds in kilobit so 1024 is 1Mbps etc. All prices per month. Contention ratios don't appear to be advertised.

Tele2: http://www.tele2.se
Stadsnät (fibre connected apartment blocks) 10240/10240: €21

Yeah, that's what I have here in Sweden at the moment, there was a 495kr connection charge though, or about €50. Found out though, that it used to be run by a different company and it was FREE. But due to the abolishment of monopolies and so on all over europe it's now run by a private company. The swedes here were most annoyed about it, then I told them about eircom.....

Someone should check out Singapore btw, apparently it's not just a case of fibre to buildings, it's fibre to everywhere.

corepl

Home & Home Office packages (all prices in euro, inc 22% VAT):

Neostrada 128 - 128kbps down/64kbps up, 7GB transfer, 17.75(1)/30(2)
Neostrada 512 - 512kbps/128kbps, 15GB transfter limit, 30/42
Neostrada 1024- 1024kbps/256kbps, 25GB transfer 45/57

additional transfer 2.5 euro/2gb, dynamic IP
with 12 months contract you get free instalation (ca. 30 euro) and free USB modem
(1) price with 12 month contract
(2) price w/o contract

Business Packages (all prices in euro, inc 22% VAT, no transfer limit, fixed IP)
DSL500 - 512kbps/128kbps (4 IPs) - 63euro/month
DSL1000 - 1024/256kbps (4 IPs) - 75 euro/month
DSL2000 - 2048/256kbps (8 IPs) - 136euro/month

instalation is 90 euro with 24 months contract or 238euro otherwise

Jorinn

Jorinn wrote:

Yeah, that's what I have here in Sweden at the moment, there was a 495kr connection charge though, or about €50. Found out though, that it used to be run by a different company and it was FREE. But due to the abolishment of monopolies and so on all over europe it's now run by a private company. The swedes here were most annoyed about it, then I told them about eircom.....

Someone should check out Singapore btw, apparently it's not just a case of fibre to buildings, it's fibre to everywhere.

Oh, right, guess I should of mentioned, there's a cap. 96 GB, and no, that's not a typo.

damien

*bump*

Jorinn

Blaster99 wrote:

<edit>
As per eircomtrib's message pointing to the Swedish regulator, you can see a table of the entire Swedish market here: http://hosting.ibitec.se/pts/PriceListDisplay.aspx?ServiceType=8

The third column is price pm (multiply by 0.11 for euro), fourth column is speed down, fifth column is speed up, sixth column is technology.
</edit>

Some of that information appears to be out of date, for instance the speed quoted for kommunicera is only 10% of what they actually offer. So I wouldn't really use that table without checking it out.

damien

France:

http://www.beabase.com/new/fournisseur-acces.htm

Interesting table here, for example: For €30 you can get unlimited calls and a 20Mbit connection with one provider.

damien

Belgium:

Belgacom
4 Mbits down
192kbps up
10 Gig cap

http://www.belgacom.be/companies/hbsbus/jsp/dynamic/product.jsp?dcrName=hbs_adsl_bus&detailPage=hbs_adsl_bus_price

damien

Still need prices for:

Austria
Finland
Luxembourg
Portugal
Spain

and for the OECD Table:

Czech Republic
Hungary
Iceland
Mexico
Norway
Poland
Slovak Republic
Switzerland
Turkey
USA

AndrewMc

damien.m wrote:

Still need prices for:

Austria

From a quick chat with an Austrian friend of mine, here's what I got:

Telekom Austria's line rental seems to be 17.44 euro/month, but their broadband is relatively expensive. From another company called "inode" it's cheaper. Somebody who can actually speak German may want to double-check I've understood everything right, but here goes:

• The ADSL is a "resold" product from Telekom Austria available in all broadband-enabled exchanges, while their XDSL is available in unbundled exchanges only.
• At the end of 2003, inode had unbundled 87 exchanges. By end 2004, this was 147. Apparently this allows them to cover 50% of businesses and 55% of households. I don't know what the line-pass rate is.
• I don't know if they include voice calls in their tarriffs on xDSL lines, but they do mention VOIP availability for some.

The link above is easy to read, even without language skills. Sample prices (per month), are:

ADSL (skipped some, here):

• Cheapest: 256/64 (not really BB, but anyway), 250MB cap. E18.90 + line rental
• Cheapest at 512kb: none. Next slowest is 768/128, 400MB cap. E24.50 + line rental
• Most expensive: 768/128 again, 8GB cap, E59 + line rental.

xDSL capped: This is where it gets much better. No line rental to be added here (unbundled, remember):

• 1024/128, 4GB cap, E39
• 1536/384, 20GB cap, E49
• 2048/512, 20GB cap, E59
• 3072/512, 30GB cap, E89

xDSL uncapped: Again, no line rental:

• 768/128, E59
• 1024/128, E69
• 1280/256, E79

Hope that helps. Hope it's right!

eircomtribunal

AndrewMc wrote:

xDSL capped: This is where it gets much better. No line rental to be added here (unbundled, remember):

• 1024/128, 4GB cap, E39
• 1536/384, 20GB cap, E49
• 2048/512, 20GB cap, E59
• 3072/512, 30GB cap, E89

xDSL uncapped: Again, no line rental:

• 768/128, E59
• 1024/128, E69
• 1280/256, E79

Perhaps one additional info from the offers: The caps do not apply for night-time bandwidth use. So for all means and purposes the capped versions could be called unlimited.
And important, as you have already mentioned, there is no extra line rental to be paid. They offer as well VOIP and combination packets with mobile company Three. Porting the existing telephone number to the VOIP costs €26 once-off.
P.

kenped

Norwegian broadband:

Currently the cheapest in Norway:

Canal Digital
Speed 100/100
Cost: NKR 97 / Euro 12

Currently the cheapest good product(Based on speed):

Canal Digital
Speed 750/750
Cost: NKR 267 / Euro 34

Currently the cheapest highend(based on speed):

Canal Digital
Speed 2050/2050
Cost: NKR 447 / Euro 56

Currently the cheapest 8mb:

Nextgentel
Speed 8023/864
Cost: NKR 998 / Euro 125

All of the products that are compared where able to delivere broadband Nationwide.

Links used:
Telepriser (List all the companies/products) <-- Site in norwegian ,, Click on Bredbånd to enter the list over ISP's. You should be able to figure out the info on that page.

Canal Digital

Btw: remember that Norway is currently the most expensive country to live in

eircomtribunal

kenped wrote:

Norwegian broadband:

Currently the cheapest in Norway:

Canal Digital
Speed 100/100
Cost: NKR 97 / Euro 12

Those not really quite broadband offers, other successful countries like Denmark have them as well, are very valuable for Internet and Broadband development and should not be laughed at.

Just to compare with the Irish situation. To get a similar always-on service in Ireland, you'd need to purchase 5 FRIACO 150 hours "flat-rate" services and run dual-channel 128 kb/s ISDN on them. You'd pay Eircom some 150 euros (plus the ISDN line rental) a month.

P.

Edit:
And one can't even get more than one FRIACO packages, so it would work out much dearer: From Eircom FAQ:

Q. Can I stay connected all the time?
A. eircom net flat rate packages are not designed to support continuous or unattended Internet access. If you require an always-on solution, try eircom broadband. Specific limitations are as follows:
1 - each flat rate account can only be accessed from one specific phone line. You specify this number at sign-up.
2 - Your connection will automatically be disconnected after 20 minutes idle time.*
We also reserve the right to
1 - Limit online usage to 12 hours in any 24 period
2 - Limit online session to 2 hours. After which you can reconnect immediately.
*Idle time is defined as time on line when no data has been transmitted by the Customer to the Service or has been received by the Customer using the Service.

Q. What happens if I exceed my allocated time?
A. If you exceed your allocated time you will be charged eircom net Free Internet call charges for any excess. eircom net Free call charges.
Price per minute* (incl. VAT) :
Daytime (8am - 6pm Mon - Fri.) 5.07c
Evening (6pm - 8am) Mon - Thurs. 1.26c
Weekend (6pm Fri. - 8am Mon.) 1.26c
*A minimum call charge of 6.35c applies. Allocated time: The amount of call charge free time provided as part of the package

damien

Luxembourg:

http://www.internet.lu/cal_home/20030707140930.htm

€34/month for 10 hours at 1024/128kbps or
€34/month for 1 Gig download at 1024/128kbps or
€46/month for no time/no cap at 1024/128kbps

damien

Spain:
Wanadoo
http://www.wanadoo.es/accesos/adsl/
512kbps / 128kbps.
Modem and Wifi Router included.
€45.24 a month

Jazztel
http://www.jazztel.com/mic_adsl1mb.htm
1024kbps / 128kbps
Free local/national phonecalls
€38.22 a month

kenped

Update to the norwegian tabell:

Adsl 2 launced:

Nextgentel:
12 000 / 1500 (no not a typo,, speed 12mbit down and 1,5 up)
Price: 998 NKR / 125 Euro

25 000 / 150 (no still not a typo, Speed 25mbit down and 1,5 up)
Price: 1398 NKR / 175 Euro

otheridiot

[url]www.swisscom.com:[/url]
Bluewin
ADSL 600
600 Kbit/s
100 Kbit/s CHF 49.-/month (aprox Eur32)

Bluewin
ADSL 1200
1200 Kbit/s
200 Kbit/s CHF 69.-/month (approx Eur45)

Bluewin
ADSL 2400
2400 Kbit/s
200 Kbit/s CHF 99.-/month (approx Eur64)

www.sunrise.ch offer the same deals and prices as above but the highest speed connection is 98CHF rather than 99CHF. They also give one month free.

www.cablecom.ch
hispeed 600 600 100 CHF45(Eur29)

hispeed 1000 1000 200 CHF 60(Eur39)

hispeed 2000 2000 400 CHF 75(Eur48)

hispeed 3000 3000 800 CHF 150(Eur97)


Couldn't get any details for swisscable

enjoy

damien

Finland:

Got this via email:

http://saunalahti.fi/internet/adsl/

Prices vary from 24e/month to 28e/month, depending whether saunalahti
has copper on that area or not.
All prices in Finland include VAT.
Service is 512k/512k (no download limits in finland)

http://isp.surfnet.fi/productsprivate.php?Action=showProduct&productid=2
8&e=47

Price varies from 29e/month to 33e/month depending on the area.

These are prices for the ADSL connection. To rent the line will add
2e/month.

Setup fees varies from 50e/150e depending if one has land line contract
or not.

damien

Almost finished now.

For the EU-15 table we need:
Portugal

For the OECD we need:
Czech Republic
Hungary
Iceland
Mexico
New Zealand
Slovak Republic
Turkey

damien

Portugal:

http://adsl.sapo.pt/
512Kbps/128Kbps
€34.99
20gb national traffic cap
2gb int traffic cap

damien

Czech Republic

http://www.telecom.cz/internetexpres/
€32.09 inc vat
1024/256kbits

damien

New Zealand:
€34.07
http://www.telecom.co.nz/chm/0,5123,203071-202479,00.html
1Mbps / 128kbps

damien

Anyone speak Slovak or Hungarian ?

http://www.telecom.sk/Default.aspx?CatID=521&Section=smallbusiness

http://www.tvnet.hu/main.php?module=ContentExpress&file=index&func=display&ceid=41&meid=8

damien

Mexico:
http://www.prodigy.com.mx/infinitum_adsl/
$599 a year for 512/128 kbps
$49.99 a month
Which is €37.40 a month

Gone West

Phoenix, Arizona (thats where I'm living now for a while)

I use Cox High Speed Internet http://www.cox.com/highspeedinternet/
as you can see the 5.5mbit line costs $55 per month (E40).
My upload is 768Kbit
And I have no download or upload caps. In fact the lady at the internet counter didnt even understand what a cap/limit was.

Not to mention the 80 tv channels included.

damien

Slovak Republic
http://www.slovanet.sk/menu/adsl_cennik.html
€27.715576
2048/256kbps

damien

damien.m wrote:

Hungarian

http://www.tvnet.hu/main.php?module=ContentExpress&file=index&func=display&ceid=41&meid=8

Maximal charge seems to be HUF 6990 = €28.64
512/128kbps ADSL

damien

Thanks to Yoda for translating Hungarian and Slovakian.